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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

And just how much does a 3D board cost for D2v owners?

I have the older D2v and it cost me 1,500.00 plus labor and tax from Anthem. Total was 1,750.00 I think.
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Originally Posted by agrsiv95 View Post

Anyone else get just video from their HDMI sources and have to reboot to get audio? Oppo 103, Ps3 or Directv it doesn't matter. I'm on 3.09 ( non 3d) and this is very annoying especially because it is random and is really great when we have guests.

I have everything controlled by a URC MSC-400 and a MRX-980 so everything turns on in the same order every time.

Which one of the betas is the most stable?

Sounds like you should try Dr. HDMI between the Anthem and your display or get a switcher with EDID between your sources and the Anthem. I was having source troubles too and that solution solved my problems. Especially if you have an older display it may be the display that's the culprit.
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Has Anthem made any statements about a future upgrade option to HDMI 2.0 for the D2V?

Just answering my own question in case it helps anybody else out. From a post Nick made on the MRX thread it looks like no more Hardware updates (in my case I was interested in HDMI 2.0).



http://www.avsforum.com/t/1497598/anthem-mrx-receivers-310-510-710-owners-thread-tweaking-guide/750 (post 777)

"Also, will there be board upgrades for the MRX line like there is for the Pre/Pros when new HDMI or Displayport comes out or is that reserved for the higher end Pre/Pros that Anthem makes?"

Models that were designed for hardware upgrades are from AVM 20 to D2v, except the AVM 40, and I'm pretty confident in saying that the 3D upgrade marks the end of hardware upgrades. The whole idea started when things were moving from 5.1 to 7.1 and all it took to upgrade was a $300 easy-to-install kit. Then HDMI came along...
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I am still using FW 2.11. Should I be using the latest FW 3.09? My system is 5.1 and Anthem 50v.
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Sounds like you should try Dr. HDMI between the Anthem and your display or get a switcher with EDID between your sources and the Anthem. I was having source troubles too and that solution solved my problems. Especially if you have an older display it may be the display that's the culprit.

I have a Runco Q750i LED projector and it is the only display connected to HDMI 1. I would consider another device as you mention if I were using an uncommon source or an old display with DVI but everything I run is well known. I know this has been said before, how come the $500 receivers out there never seem to have a problem?
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Originally Posted by agrsiv95 View Post

I have a Runco Q750i LED projector and it is the only display connected to HDMI 1. I would consider another device as you mention if I were using an uncommon source or an old display with DVI but everything I run is well known. I know this has been said before, how come the $500 receivers out there never seem to have a problem?

Alas, if you were only running DVI. Things sure were simpler back then.

Unfortunately, there are lots of issues with HDMI handshaking sometimes. And all those $500 receivers sure do have their share of issues too.

To parallel things, my Oppo BDP-83 isn't an uncommon source and neither is my Scientific Atlanta Cable box or my AppleTV. Nevertheless, I did have problems and putting in an EDID emulator solved them all. What I discovered is that anything going to my Sony TV was problematic and anything going to my newer Panasonic plasma didn't have any issues.
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Originally Posted by cougar75 View Post

I am still using FW 2.11. Should I be using the latest FW 3.09? My system is 5.1 and Anthem 50v.

Definitely worth upgrading. You have the low power-on volume bug and 176k/16 noise problem and some DTS level issues just to mention the main ones. 3.09j is probably the ideal version for you.
Edited by AVfile - 1/23/14 at 8:14pm
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Is the Keyspan cable used to load new firmware from laptop to Anthem?
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Yes, if your laptop does not have an RS232 serial port.
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Hi guys. Well just when I thought nothing else could go wrong with my D2v ( won't begin to go through the list), I've got another weirded one. I will try and explain what is happening as best I can. My connectivity is very basic with just the Oppo 95 and JVC X-35 projector connected to the Anthem. Now when ever I run ARC and as owners know the RS 232 connection is below the HDMI 1 or close and when I've connected the RS232 cable I can't help but just touch the HDMI cable that's connected to HDMI-1 in the D2v as I'm tight for space behind the unit, and after running ARC basically that HDMI input stops working. The Oppo no longer talks to the Anthem so I switched everything off and changed the input to HDMI-2 and things went back to normal. Now since then I've run ARC twice and everytime I've done this the HDMI input being used stops working. I've tried shutting everything down pulling out cables putting back in while everything is turned off but the HDMI input no longer work. Tonight I tried hooking up a set top box to watch the tennis and tried one of the HDMI inputs that has failed before and after turning things back on the HDMI input being number 4 for the Oppo stopped working??

So I turned everything off as per normal and changed the cable from HDMI4 to 5 and changed the setting in the Anthem to suit and it's back to normal. I just don't understand what is happening that's rendering the HDMI inputs unusable. I thought all 8 HDMI inputs where on the same board and if one fails then shouldn't all of the them fail? It has me really confused as to what is causing this problem and it's been very frustrating. Looks like I will have to take the unit for yet another repair, this will make it the third time. Any ideas?
Edited by SimonNo10 - 1/24/14 at 3:20am
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Alas, if you were only running DVI. Things sure were simpler back then.

Unfortunately, there are lots of issues with HDMI handshaking sometimes. And all those $500 receivers sure do have their share of issues too.

To parallel things, my Oppo BDP-83 isn't an uncommon source and neither is my Scientific Atlanta Cable box or my AppleTV. Nevertheless, I did have problems and putting in an EDID emulator solved them all. What I discovered is that anything going to my Sony TV was problematic and anything going to my newer Panasonic plasma didn't have any issues.


I really appreciate your input and will look into DR. HDMI. You have already "been there, done that" so you know my frustrations. I will say that when it's time to upgrade I will be considering other options.
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi guys. Well just when I thought nothing else could go wrong with my D2v ( won't begin to go through the list), I've got another weirded one. I will try and explain what is happening as best I can. My connectivity is very basic with just the Oppo 95 and JVC X-35 projector connected to the Anthem. Now when ever I run ARC and as owners know the RS 232 connection is below the HDMI 1 or close and when I've connected the RS232 cable I can't help but just touch the HDMI cable that's connected to HDMI-1 in the D2v as I'm tight for space behind the unit, and after running ARC basically that HDMI input stops working. The Oppo no longer talks to the Anthem so I switched everything off and changed the input to HDMI-2 and things went back to normal. Now since then I've run ARC twice and everytime I've done this the HDMI input being used stops working. I've tried shutting everything down pulling out cables putting back in while everything is turned off but the HDMI input no longer work. Tonight I tried hooking up a set top box to watch the tennis and tried one of the HDMI inputs that has failed before and after turning things back on the HDMI input being number 4 for the Oppo stopped working??

So I turned everything off as per normal and changed the cable from HDMI4 to 5 and changed the setting in the Anthem to suit and it's back to normal. I just don't understand what is happening that's rendering the HDMI inputs unusable. I thought all 8 HDMI inputs where on the same board and if one fails then shouldn't all of the them fail? It has me really confused as to what is causing this problem and it's been very frustrating. Looks like I will have to take the unit for yet another repair, this will make it the third time. Any ideas?

Do you have a D2v 3D ?
The HDMI inputs are on separate boards. On the 3D model 1-4 are the only 3D HDMI inputs.
You did not say above when you tried to connect your set top box did it work even though the OPPO failed again ?
Maybe the OPPO is the problem.
Why is your set top box not permanently connected so you can stop fidgeting with the HDMI connectors. The connectors do not not take well to being plugged and unplugged.
Out of a curiosity Simon. Why are you running ARC so often ? At some point set it and enjoy the system for a while
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Originally Posted by agrsiv95 View Post

I really appreciate your input and will look into DR. HDMI. You have already "been there, done that" so you know my frustrations. I will say that when it's time to upgrade I will be considering other options.

Even the word "frustrating" is an understatement. I was very quick to blame the Anthem and even sent it to Canada twice. Both times, anything with HDMI came back clean. My unit passed all specs. I have no problem swallowing my pride and saying I was wrong—and I was wrong—in assuming in was the Anthem. That's what led me to doing a lot of research and seeing people with Pioneers, Onkyos, Sony, and other receivers having exactly the same issue.

It wasn't until I really delved into researching HDMI issues (after, of course, changing cables 6 times from different manufacturers just to be sure) that I really started seeing issues with the EDID. I'm very thankful to some in-depth articles and finally just trying out a purchase.

Nailing the EDID issue has brought peace, harmony, and joy to my entire household. I know it's a pain in the you know what, but it worked and it's been a permanent fix.
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Do you have a D2v 3D ?
The HDMI inputs are on separate boards. On the 3D model 1-4 are the only 3D HDMI inputs.
You did not say above when you tried to connect your set top box did it work even though the OPPO failed again ?
Maybe the OPPO is the problem.
Why is your set top box not permanently connected so you can stop fidgeting with the HDMI connectors. The connectors do not not take well to being plugged and unplugged.
Out of a curiosity Simon. Why are you running ARC so often ? At some point set it and enjoy the system for a while

It's non 3D and I'm running 3.09j firmware. I've been tweaking the room with sub positions and recently obtained an SVS ASEQ EQ unit so have been refining that as well so that's the reason for the multiple ARC calibrations. The main use of the system is for BD's not watching tv and I decided not to hook up the set top box plus I don't have a spare spot for it in the equipment rack I'm using. I just thought watching the semi final on the big screen would be good and the unit could just sit on the carpet close to the equipment so there was plenty of cable length (HDMI) so no issue there. I don't think it's the Oppo as it's not on when I run ARC but as mentioned I do slightly touch the HDMI cable that's connected in the back on the D2v to connected the RS-232 and every time that's happened I lose that HDMI input. So that's why I'm up to HDMI-5 now after last night with connecting the set top box ( I tried HDMI 2 and the Oppo was in HDMI 4). I mean are the inputs that sensitive? I'm not knocking the cable or even pulling it, just reaching around and touching the cable as I'm putting in the RS-232 or an extra HDMI in the latest attempt. I check the HDMI after the connections are made and it's not half out or anything, it's fine. Has me baffled.

Oh and the set top didn't work using one of the HDMI inputs that has failed plus I confirmed that the arial input is faulty as well which a friend who installs Foxtel put in and will address it at some time, but if the HDMI was working I would have got sound but not picture.
Edited by SimonNo10 - 1/24/14 at 11:13am
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Is there any way to identify the ARC file currently loaded on the D2V? I have several ARC correction files but can't recall which one I last uploaded.
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Its time for me to upgrade and I am looking at the Marantz AV8801 or the Anthem D2V. I only started to read this thread the last few weeks and all I seem to see or people with bugs or issues. Not trying to come off the wrong way but are there happy customers of D2V in this thread? I know the reviews are glowing but it seems like the day to day owners are frustrated. Am I jumping to conclusions and reading too much into it?
post #42347 of 42717
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Its time for me to upgrade and I am looking at the Marantz AV8801 or the Anthem D2V. I only started to read this thread the last few weeks and all I seem to see or people with bugs or issues. Not trying to come off the wrong way but are there happy customers of D2V in this thread? I know the reviews are glowing but it seems like the day to day owners are frustrated. Am I jumping to conclusions and reading too much into it?

This is one of the most active threads on AVS forums. That's a huge compliment. You also have people putting the units into some really unique situations. Moreover the flexibility and options you get with the Anthem units is much more granular than Marantz (as a guy who owned one I know). So yes you are reading way too much into it. smile.gif And one other thing is service. Anthem support is second to none. If I had the budget I'd upgrade to the D2v in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Its time for me to upgrade and I am looking at the Marantz AV8801 or the Anthem D2V. I only started to read this thread the last few weeks and all I seem to see or people with bugs or issues. Not trying to come off the wrong way but are there happy customers of D2V in this thread? I know the reviews are glowing but it seems like the day to day owners are frustrated. Am I jumping to conclusions and reading too much into it?



Based on price alone, not a fair comparison. Of course if you have the dough laying around go for it. You would probably be more than happy with a 50v. JMHO.
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Does the D2v have a bypass mode to allow me to connect an integrated amp to it? oops, sorry, I meant a preamp, not integrated.
Edited by bluemark81 - 1/24/14 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

Does the D2v have a bypass mode to allow me to connect an integrated amp to it? oops, sorry, I meant a preamp, not integrated.

No
The theater bypass switch would be in the preamp you are wanting to use.
post #42351 of 42717
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

Does the D2v have a bypass mode to allow me to connect an integrated amp to it? oops, sorry, I meant a preamp, not integrated.

Looks like you already have a great preamp, a SimAudio Moon. If that's going to be your main pre, do what Stewman said, and you don't need the D2v (unless you want to replace the Moon unit entirely). The AVM-50v will do just fine... It has balanced outs too.
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Its time for me to upgrade and I am looking at the Marantz AV8801 or the Anthem D2V. I only started to read this thread the last few weeks and all I seem to see or people with bugs or issues. Not trying to come off the wrong way but are there happy customers of D2V in this thread? I know the reviews are glowing but it seems like the day to day owners are frustrated. Am I jumping to conclusions and reading too much into it?

That's because that's what people come to forums to talk about, problems. When stuff is working there's really nothing to talk about so forums, especially model-specific threads are always heavily "problem oriented" especially after those models become mature and the "cool stuff" is figured out. I mean if you look at this thread, there's a ton of discussion early on about features and setup, but now that that's largely been sorted out and documented there's not a lot of discussion about that since it's "all been said", so the thread inevitably distills down to what is unique, problems.

As for your question I love my AVM50V, it works great. Every once in a great while it will start up with the low volume bug, but it's rare so I've been too lazy to upgrade the firmware to resolve that. The only problems I've had with it are some HDMI handshake issues which I can't speak to personally but sound not unique to Anthem, and are "easily resolved by following the advice of Anthem (and Lumagen) and using quality, not super short (3+ feet at least, though I could have sworn I'd read 6+ feet at one point) cables.

The only complaint I have is that there's not a less expensive "audio only" option (like an AVM40V or something) without the video processing since video processing isn't Anthem's forte and I'd rather spend that money (and did) on a more versatile video processor like the Lumagen Radiance XE that I have, so the video processing in my AVM50V is a waste that I'd rather not have had to pay for.
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post



As for your question I love my AVM50V, it works great. Every once in a great while it will start up with the low volume bug, but it's rare so I've been too lazy to upgrade the firmware to resolve that. The only problems I've had with it are some HDMI handshake issues which I can't speak to personally but sound not unique to Anthem, and are "easily resolved by following the advice of Anthem (and Lumagen) and using quality, not super short (3+ feet at least, though I could have sworn I'd read 6+ feet at one point) cables.

The only complaint I have is that there's not a less expensive "audio only" option (like an AVM40V or something) without the video processing since video processing isn't Anthem's forte and I'd rather spend that money (and did) on a more versatile video processor like the Lumagen Radiance XE that I have, so the video processing in my AVM50V is a waste that I'd rather not have had to pay for.

I am seriously thinking of adding a Lumigen when they make 4K available

If I can ask how do you implement and connect the Lumigen into your system when the Anthem always processes the video ?
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I have the 50v3D fortunately, so I can leave it in video bypass mode and have the Radiance mini connected to its output. Lumagen's newer 2041 models support 4K (2160p) output.

I agree that an audio only version would be appealing, but Nick@Anthem has explained here that there wouldn't be any cost savings due to economy of scale. For something like that you best look into the Bryston SP3.
Edited by AVfile - 1/25/14 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by jo5507 View Post

Is there any way to identify the ARC file currently loaded on the D2V? I have several ARC correction files but can't recall which one I last uploaded.

No, there isn't. If you are not sure which file you've Uploaded, the simplest solution is to Open the file you want and re-Upload it.

If you know the files all have different characteristics in what gets Uploaded into the Setup menu, then of course you could figure it out that way. But really, it is almost always simpler just to re-Upload whichever one you want. Then you can be sure. No need to re-Measure or even re-Calculate.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi guys. Well just when I thought nothing else could go wrong with my D2v ( won't begin to go through the list), I've got another weirded one. I will try and explain what is happening as best I can. My connectivity is very basic with just the Oppo 95 and JVC X-35 projector connected to the Anthem. Now when ever I run ARC and as owners know the RS 232 connection is below the HDMI 1 or close and when I've connected the RS232 cable I can't help but just touch the HDMI cable that's connected to HDMI-1 in the D2v as I'm tight for space behind the unit, and after running ARC basically that HDMI input stops working. The Oppo no longer talks to the Anthem so I switched everything off and changed the input to HDMI-2 and things went back to normal. Now since then I've run ARC twice and everytime I've done this the HDMI input being used stops working. I've tried shutting everything down pulling out cables putting back in while everything is turned off but the HDMI input no longer work. Tonight I tried hooking up a set top box to watch the tennis and tried one of the HDMI inputs that has failed before and after turning things back on the HDMI input being number 4 for the Oppo stopped working??

So I turned everything off as per normal and changed the cable from HDMI4 to 5 and changed the setting in the Anthem to suit and it's back to normal. I just don't understand what is happening that's rendering the HDMI inputs unusable. I thought all 8 HDMI inputs where on the same board and if one fails then shouldn't all of the them fail? It has me really confused as to what is causing this problem and it's been very frustrating. Looks like I will have to take the unit for yet another repair, this will make it the third time. Any ideas?

First off I suggest you leave the RS-232 cable screwed down tight into the back of the D2v all the time. Just coil it up neatly when it is not in use. Then you are not fumbling back there each time you want to connect it. Uncoil the free end whenever you need to use it.

The upper 4 HDMI Inputs (1-4) are on a daughter board that plugs into the big video board (top board in the unit, visible through the top vents). One possibility is that the daughter board is not properly seated in the main video board.

The usual reason for loss of signal on an HDMI socket is that the plug is not fully inserted straight into the socket. Particularly in tight space situations, the bend/weight of the cable can tug the plug away from straight. HDMI plugs are only friction fit and it just takes a small amount of shift to screw things up.

A problem that moves from socket to socket, where a socket can not be made to work again once it goes bad, suggests pin damage in the socket -- often caused by a damaged HDMI plug. As you move the plug from one socket to the next you damage the next socket, too. Very nasty. Even if the plug is not itself damaged, you can get the same sort of damage by forcing the plug into the socket at an angle instead of inserting it straight in.

To check that you need to pull out the D2v and examine the sockets and the HDMI plugs with a strong flashlight looking for bent pins.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

I am seriously thinking of adding a Lumigen when they make 4K available

If I can ask how do you implement and connect the Lumigen into your system when the Anthem always processes the video ?

I run everything into the Lumagen, then from that I have (IIRC) HDMI 2 going to my projector, video only, and HDMI 1 going to my AVM50V 3D, audio only. All switching is done by the Lumagen and the Anthem never sees the video signal. Only downside of this is you lose the OSD for the Anthem. Though (and I haven't done this) you could run the Anthem HDMI out back into the Lumagen to access the Anthem setup menus if you wanted.
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I take a different route. Most of my sources go through the D2v in passthru mode into a Darbee and then the Lumagen on to the projector. I'm actually surprised I don't have any major handshake issues. I believe the key for my system is using high quality cables.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

No, there isn't. If you are not sure which file you've Uploaded, the simplest solution is to Open the file you want and re-Upload it.

If you know the files all have different characteristics in what gets Uploaded into the Setup menu, then of course you could figure it out that way. But really, it is almost always simpler just to re-Upload whichever one you want. Then you can be sure. No need to re-Measure or even re-Calculate.
--Bob
Thanks Bob. The problem is I don't know which one I'm listening to now. I really only want to correct the lower range, leaving the mid to high as per the natural characteristics of my speakers and recognizing the potential inaccuracies measuring the high end. I tried several upper limits in the 1.5 to 2.5 khz range as well as the default 5khz. I plan to experiment with some changes in the room but wanted to know which curve I was currently listening to. Not a big deal though. I plan to remeasure with a tighter mike placement for Music around the main listening position. When listening to 2 channel music, it's usually just me and I want to optimize for that seat. For Movies I will use the "normal" mike placement to include the multiple seating arrangement.
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^ Make sure that you leave at least 24" between any two mic positions -- whether or not sequential. ARC needs that separation to distinguish between inherent speaker characteristics and what the room is doing to the sound (which changes by mic position). Also follow the other rules: E.g., #1 is at center, and subsequent positions alternate left and right of #1. That too is part of giving ARC the mic spacing it needs to do its job.
--Bob
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