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post #6751 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by rafsel View Post

Where did you get it? I am in Canada as well and am saddened by the good deals south of the border yet unavailable to us....

Levesque is in Quebec and probably has a secret source for this stuff as he is a tester/reviewer

Future Shop has them in stock and retailing for 1000CAD
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...22&catid=24855
Have to assume Best Buy is the same as they own Future Shop.

edit - just checked Best Buy Canada - same price and in stock
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde...22&catid=20208

Based on present exchange rate we're only getting hosed for about 100-150 CAD compared to US prices, which is pretty good at this price point.
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post #6752 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:09am
How quickly does the Pioneer boot up to be ready to start playing SD DVD's, or eject the tray?? I'm currently using a Pioneer Elite 59AVI for SD-DVD's and love how quick it is. Is the BDP-HD1 even close for SD-DVDs? I have my 59AVI in the lobby area right next to the touchscreen. When I walk in and push "DVD" on the touchsreen the player turns on and ejects the tray waiting for the DVD. One more push of the touchscreen and the menus/previews are rolling as you walk to your seat. As you know, for the Toshiba HDDVD players, it's over 30 seconds for the tray to eject...so I put that player in the equipment room at the other end of the theater. I would be interested in possibly replacing the 59AVI with the BDP-HD1 if it is close to as responsive as the 59AVI. I don't mind the long load time (even for Blu-Ray disks) as long as it is after the disk is put in.
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post #6753 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by PaulT_BC View Post

Levesque is in Quebec and probably has a secret source for this stuff as he is a tester/reviewer


YES THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.

He gets stuff from Manufacturers before they are
released at PAYOLA Discounted prices for his review.
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post #6754 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:21am
Sony just released their 1.80 firmware upgrade, which includes support for 1080p/24Hz output for Blu-Ray movies. I'm trying to get this working right now via the D2 to a JVC RS-1 (which natively supports 1080p/24).

I've got the D2 setup to output 1080p/24. The PS3 1080p/24 menu item is set to "Automatic" (the only other option is "Off"). The HDMI input on the D2 for the PS3 has Frame Lock set to "Auto".

When I start up a movie, the RS-1 blinks a blue screen a few times with a message stating that the Frequency of the input signal is out of range. After flashing that message 3 or 4 times I eventually get a picture, but it is at 60Hz, not 24Hz (based on the Info screen on the D2).

It appears to me that the D2 is attempting to sync up with the RS-1 at 24Hz several times, and then eventually falls back to 60Hz when that fails.

Anybody have any suggestions on what to try? Are my settings correct? Anybody else get this combination of devices to work as I am?

Thanks in advance.


-Dave
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post #6755 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by dknight View Post

Sony just released their 1.80 firmware upgrade, which includes support for 1080p/24Hz output for Blu-Ray movies. I'm trying to get this working right now via the D2 to a JVC RS-1 (which natively supports 1080p/24).

I've got the D2 setup to output 1080p/24. The PS3 1080p/24 menu item is set to "Automatic" (the only other option is "Off"). The HDMI input on the D2 for the PS3 has Frame Lock set to "Auto".

When I start up a movie, the RS-1 blinks a blue screen a few times with a message stating that the Frequency of the input signal is out of range. After flashing that message 3 or 4 times I eventually get a picture, but it is at 60Hz, not 24Hz (based on the Info screen on the D2).

It appears to me that the D2 is attempting to sync up with the RS-1 at 24Hz several times, and then eventually falls back to 60Hz when that fails.

Anybody have any suggestions on what to try? Are my settings correct? Anybody else get this combination of devices to work as I am?

Thanks in advance.


-Dave

No you need to keep the D2 output resolution to 1080P60. In the video setup menu (press and hold down 7 for a few second to get that menu) there is an option called frame lock. There two choices for this option off or Auto. You need to select Auto.

You also need to have at least release 1.11e installed on the D2.
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post #6756 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:34am
Dave- try setting the output signal of the D2 to 1080p/60 instead of 24 and see what happens. With frame lock = auto, you should still get 1080p/24 to the RS1. But it sounds like the Anthem is not locking onto the signal from the PS3. You can also try stopping and restarting the movie, or having it playing while you turn the D2 off and back on (I think this was working for Randall).

Edit: I see Tolstoi types faster than me!
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post #6757 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

YES THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.

He gets stuff from Manufacturers before they are
released at PAYOLA Discounted prices for his review.

said in fun and with smiley faces attached.....
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post #6758 of 40770
5/24/07 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by PaulT_BC View Post

said in fun and with smiley faces attached.....

Levesque admits to his fun
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post #6759 of 40770
5/24/07 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Levesque admits to his fun

You're just jealous... Manufactuers are not paying me btw. My editor is paying me for my reviews, good or bad... And if you knew what I'm paid for a review... It's like working 10 minutes in my "real life"...

Yes I'm a reviewer for an independant AV magazine, AND a beta-tester for alot of manufacturers, so I get to try and use ALOT of new stuff, sometimes months before they are out on the market officially.

But I'm doing it just for fun and to relax... I also have a really busy professionnal life outside of AVS, and making a pretty good living out of it... The "HT thing" is for fun. That's why I'm often saying that "there is a life outside of AVS!", since people often forget it. i receive tons of e-mails from people who thinks that I'm working for Anthem...

I'm not. Just like Bob Pariseau, FilmMixer, Randall, Rob Tomlin, Tolstoi, drhankz and alot of other really helpful people hanging-out in here that I'm forgetting, Im just a REALLY happy D2 owner.
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post #6760 of 40770
5/24/07 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

You're just jealous...

OK You got me on that note
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post #6761 of 40770
5/24/07 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

No you need to keep the D2 output resolution to 1080P60. In the video setup menu (press and hold down 7 for a few second to get that menu) there is an option called frame lock. There two choices for this option off or Auto. You need to select Auto.

You also need to have at least release 1.11e installed on the D2.

Thanks. I tried all of the above and am getting basically identical behavior. The info screen on the D2 shows 60Hz input and 60Hz output.

I also tried powering off and on the D2 after the movie is already playing and after the 3 or 4 "Frequency is out of range" messages from the RS-1, it eventually seems to settle in at 60Hz.

-Dave
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post #6762 of 40770
5/24/07 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

You're just jealous... Manufactuers are not paying me btw. My editor is paying me for my reviews, good or bad... And if you knew what I'm paid for a review... It's like working 10 minutes in my "real life"...

AAnd keep in mind that being Canadian he also need to give half of it in income taxes. According to our government anybody who makes more then 100000$ CDN (90000$US) is highly rich and imposed accordingly.
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post #6763 of 40770
5/24/07 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by dknight View Post

Thanks. I tried all of the above and am getting basically identical behavior. The info screen on the D2 shows 60Hz input and 60Hz output.

I also tried powering off and on the D2 after the movie is already playing and after the 3 or 4 "Frequency is out of range" messages from the RS-1, it eventually seems to settle in at 60Hz.

-Dave

In fact the first test you should do is connecting the PS3 directly to the RS1 and set the PS3 to send 1080p24 and verify that the PS3 sync is working well with the RS1. The PS3 is now supporting 24fps but that doesn't mean this is going to work perfectly with all projectors on that first release.

I have tried 24fps from the Pioneer Elite with three 24fps compatible projectors and connected directly the RS1 is the slowest to sync it will take in average 7 sec while the Benq W9000 and the MIT5000 need 3-4 sec. During these 7 seconds you will see blu screen, "No Input", "Frequency is out of range" pages displayed one after the other.

When you are certain that you can sync directly with the PS3 than, you could insert the D2 in between.
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post #6764 of 40770
5/24/07 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by dknight View Post

Thanks. I tried all of the above and am getting basically identical behavior. The info screen on the D2 shows 60Hz input and 60Hz output.

I also tried powering off and on the D2 after the movie is already playing and after the 3 or 4 "Frequency is out of range" messages from the RS-1, it eventually seems to settle in at 60Hz.

-Dave

Have you tried going straight to the RS1 and checking to see if the 24p works without the D2?
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post #6765 of 40770
5/24/07 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

Have you tried going straight to the RS1 and checking to see if the 24p works without the D2?


I have not tried directly, either, but my Panny 1080p acts exactly the same as his RS1 with the PS3 set to 1080p/24, (and using same menu setting and frame lock) so we can rule out the projector.

I'm really hoping that this gets worked out soon. I know multiple manufacturers are having issues with it, but I'm *really* impatient.
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post #6766 of 40770
5/24/07 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

True - but tyorder1 should buy the New Pioneer which does play CD's
and is less money than the BDP-HD1 which he probably could not find any more.

Are you sure it plays CD's? That would be huge news for a BD drive to support CD's. You're talking about the HD94, right? I can't find any indication that it supports CD.

It's also HDMI 1.2 which is interesting.
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post #6767 of 40770
5/24/07 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

The new Samsung can also output 1080p24 just like the Pioneers to the D2, and with the new Reon-VX chip, it got the highest score ever on the Secrets Shoot-out by kris Deering (a D2 owners btw...). The Samsung can also be update on the fly via the ethernet connection, and cost less money then the Pioneers.

With the Samsung, you can then choose the chip you prefer or the best for a particular situation (mixed content, etc), HQV Reon-VX or Gennum VXP in the D2. Best of both worlds...

At least comparing the implementation of the Reon in the XA2 to that of the Gennum VXP in the AVM50, the scaling of the Gennum VXP from 480 to 1080 is clearly superior. For DVD, I also easily prefer the Oppo feeding HDMI 480i to the Anthem over the XA2 upscaling to 1080p.

The Secrets ratings are heavily weighted by results via the HQV test disc. It doesn't suprise me the Reon performs well as both are manufactured by Silicon Optix. The XA2 also excels with the HQV disc.

This would lead me to believe the Reon could be a little over-rated. Of course, it could be differences in implementation as well.
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post #6768 of 40770
5/24/07 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

At least comparing the implementation of the Reon in the XA2 to that of the Gennum VXP in the AVM50, the scaling of the Gennum VXP from 480 to 1080 is clearly superior. For DVD, I also easily prefer the Oppo feeding HDMI 480i to the Anthem over the XA2 upscaling to 1080p.

There is not a clear winner in every stuations between the Gennum VXP and Reon-VX. If one was ALWAYS better then the other in EVERY situation, then it would be an easy choice for everyone...

Since I'm REALLY picky on the video side, and since I'm watching alot of Animation with strange and non-standard sequences and live video concerts filmed in video mode or with alot of mixed content, I prefer having both in my system, so I can choose the one I prefer for a particular situation.

Since I'm really picky and can spot every little video artifacts (and then I'm really bothered and annoyed... and can't watch anymore ), I can just simply choose the better chip for that situation. And since I have what could be considered a good video chain, and after investing that much money, I prefer having the 2 best video chips in my system and having the latitude to choose what I prefer.
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post #6769 of 40770
5/24/07 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

Are you sure it plays CD's? That would be huge news for a BD drive to support CD's. You're talking about the HD94, right? I can't find any indication that it supports CD.

It's also HDMI 1.2 which is interesting.

100% Guarantee CD Playback - It was part of Chris Walker's
Announcement to the AVS Forum, when the HD94 was announced.

FYI - when I was at CES in Las Vegas in January - I was in the
Blu-Ray organization BOOTH and they were saying CD playback
is part of the Blu-Ray REQUIREMENTS.
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post #6770 of 40770
5/24/07 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

Are you sure it plays CD's? That would be huge news for a BD drive to support CD's. You're talking about the HD94, right? I can't find any indication that it supports CD.

It's also HDMI 1.2 which is interesting.

[EDITED AS I REALIZED A MISTAKE HERE]

Yes, the new Pioneer 94HD will indeed play CD's, that's a fact. And yes, HDMI 1.2. It will supposedly be much faster with loading and responding than the BDP-HD1, and will support Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus decoding in the player for multichannel output over HDMI from Day One - DTS-HD High Res will be added VERY soon.

Also, supposedly some improvements to the GUI, and to the networking functions that stream music, photos, movies, etc. as well.

That's about it.
-Brian
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post #6771 of 40770
5/24/07 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by lazarus28 View Post

I have not tried directly, either, but my Panny 1080p acts exactly the same as his RS1 with the PS3 set to 1080p/24, (and using same menu setting and frame lock) so we can rule out the projector.

I'm really hoping that this gets worked out soon. I know multiple manufacturers are having issues with it, but I'm *really* impatient.

Yes, but can you rule out the PS3?

I have been able to get 24P to the RS1 through the D2 with firmwares 1.11e, 1.11g, and 1.12k. The 1.12k is the only firmware that works without glitches for my setup which is the Pioneer BDP HD1 to D2 to RS1. I don't have a PS3.

The frame lock on auto still has some handshake HDMI issues that I am sure Anthem is aware of and working on.
It works best for me if I have the D2 selected to my Pioneer source and then turn off the power to the D2. I then turn on the BDP HD1 and start the disc playing and wait for the timer to start counting. Once the counter has begun I turn on the D2 and just wait for it to sync. It will flash a few times and lock on.

It is a bit of a pain, but I really like the 24P better. I'm sure Anthem will have a new firmware soon that will be more user friendly.
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post #6772 of 40770
5/24/07 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

Yes, but can you rule out the PS3?

I have been able to get 24P to the RS1 through the D2 with firmwares 1.11e, 1.11g, and 1.12k. The 1.12k is the only firmware that works without glitches for my setup which is the Pioneer BDP HD1 to D2 to RS1. I don't have a PS3.

The frame lock on auto still has some handshake HDMI issues that I am sure Anthem is aware of and working on.
It works best for me if I have the D2 selected to my Pioneer source and then turn off the power to the D2. I then turn on the BDP HD1 and start the disc playing and wait for the timer to start counting. Once the counter has begun I turn on the D2 and just wait for it to sync. It will flash a few times and lock on.

It is a bit of a pain, but I really like the 24P better. I'm sure Anthem will have a new firmware soon that will be more user friendly.

I definitely can't rule out the PS3 yet, and didn't mean to imply it. Just was trying to rule out the display.

And thanks for the tips. I'm running version e at the moment and will give it a go.

Are there any negatives to 1.12? Anyone know if it still has XA-2 issues?
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post #6773 of 40770
5/24/07 at 3:52pm
I have 1.11g and cannot get 1080/24 playback through the D2. I can run the PS3 to the display and it sees and displays 1080/24 perfect. I talked to Nick yesterday and he said to set framelock to auto and it would take longer to sync but will work. It does take longer but will only see 59.94. Anybody have an idea as to why the D2 only sees 59.94?

Jeremy
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post #6774 of 40770
5/24/07 at 3:53pm
Bob,
I've been reading away here trying to get the most out of what's on tap. From what I've read it sounds optimum feed to the AVM50 (got it a month ago and still experimenting probably for the next year, or just in time for the next version), and Oppo 981 would be the 1080i feed from the Oppo since the 981 doesn't offer 480i. It offers 480p, 720p. I've got the feed from the AVM 50 to the Pioneer 5070 set at 'Auto' resolution. The Pioneer is a somewhat an odd ball native resolution 1365 X 768. Also, the latest Directv Plus DVR box which so far so good is set at 1080i as well. Am I in the ballpark with this set-up? My frustration is odd: I've experimented a lot and (1) have difficulty really seeing too much of a difference in the picture quality and (2) what's piece of equipment is doing the scaling de-interlacing - the AVM50. the Oppo 981, or the Pioneer 5070. One last thing: I am looking forward to playing with the recommendations you posted for the Color bars and SMPTE text patterns. Will report back.
Thanks, jk
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post #6775 of 40770
5/24/07 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by jkrstich View Post

Bob,
I've been reading away here trying to get the most out of what's on tap. From what I've read it sounds optimum feed to the AVM50 (got it a month ago and still experimenting probably for the next year, or just in time for the next version), and Oppo 981 would be the 1080i feed from the Oppo since the 981 doesn't offer 480i. It offers 480p, 720p. I've got the feed from the AVM 50 to the Pioneer 5070 set at 'Auto' resolution. The Pioneer is a somewhat an odd ball native resolution 1365 X 768. Also, the latest Directv Plus DVR box which so far so good is set at 1080i as well. Am I in the ballpark with this set-up? My frustration is odd: I've experimented a lot and (1) have difficulty really seeing too much of a difference in the picture quality and (2) what's piece of equipment is doing the scaling de-interlacing - the AVM50. the Oppo 981, or the Pioneer 5070. One last thing: I am looking forward to playing with the recommendations you posted for the Color bars and SMPTE text patterns. Will report back.
Thanks, jk

Sounds mostly right to me. Have you experimented with custom resolutions? My current firmware offers a 1366 x768p/60 and a 1360 x 768p/60 , you may want to experiment with these or you might want to try modifying one of these to 1365 in LVSE. Someone else with your display may already know the correct timings and you could plug them in.

Sounds like you are talking about SD DVD so the Oppo would be upscaling to 1080i, then the D2 would deinterlace and downscale to the 1365x768p. I'm not sure what the auto is sending but I would guess the 1366x 768p. I think you are doing the right thing in just looking at the picture and seeing what you think looks best. Why not look at the new Pioneer Elite model and you could sent 480i to the D2 and watch Blu Ray also?
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post #6776 of 40770
5/24/07 at 4:35pm
I'm having trouble setting the output of the XBOX360 to anything other than 720p through component through the D2/amv50 to a sony ruby. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do or has anyone encountered problems? I think I want to output 1080p and just pass the video through without any processing to the projector, but when I try to change the video on the XBOX to anything other than 720p the screen goes blank. Suggestions???
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5/24/07 at 5:06pm
I don't have an Xbox 360 or a Ruby, but will the Xbox output 1080P directly to the Ruby over component? If it won't, then the problem is not with the D2.
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5/24/07 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by tyorder1 View Post

I'm having trouble setting the output of the XBOX360 to anything other than 720p through component through the D2/amv50 to a sony ruby. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do or has anyone encountered problems? I think I want to output 1080p and just pass the video through without any processing to the projector, but when I try to change the video on the XBOX to anything other than 720p the screen goes blank. Suggestions???

The D2 DOES NOT ACCEPT 1080p over Component.
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5/24/07 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

The D2 DOES NOT ACCEPT 1080p over Component.

I thought it would accept and process up to 1080p30 over component and accept and pass (but not process) 1080p50/60.

If 1080p60 is input over component, it will only pass to the component outputs. Up to 1080p30 will be processed and can be output via HDMI up to 1080p60.
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5/24/07 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by tyorder1 View Post

I'm having trouble setting the output of the XBOX360 to anything other than 720p through component through the D2/amv50 to a sony ruby. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do or has anyone encountered problems? I think I want to output 1080p and just pass the video through without any processing to the projector, but when I try to change the video on the XBOX to anything other than 720p the screen goes blank. Suggestions???

To pass 1080p60 through component input you'll have to use component output. Since it's only passed and not processed via component, it won't output via HDMI. Up to 1080p30 can be processed with component input and therfore output via HDMI at whatever resolution you choose up to 1080p60.
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