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post #7471 of 40739
6/21/07 at 11:18am
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^^ io gear works great for me. One of those three mentioned will be great.

The issues seem to arise when not using a "real" PC (i.e. no Mac with virtualization or emulation), or the supported OS's.

Thanks Mr. Mixer!

I will be ordering an io cable today based upon your expert opinion.

Also, I hope that your 7.1 demo was a big success.

Mark
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post #7472 of 40739
6/21/07 at 2:54pm
I recently purchased Sony's new blu ray player, BDP-S300, and connected it to my AVM-50 with HDMI cable. I am not getting picture or sound. I've tried changing the cable with no luck. I connected my Toshiba XA2 to the same HDMI port (3) that I had the Sony connected to and it worked fine, so I know its not the AVM-50 port. I connected the Sony Blu ray player directly to my TV via HDMI and its working properly. I connected the player to AVM-50 with component cable (left HDMI cable connected) and changed the settings in source setup and it worked properly. The only way I can get the Blu Ray player to work through the AVM-50 via HDMI is to go into source setup, and switch the setting from component cable to HDMI 3. But once I turn it off and turn it back on, I do not get picture and sound through HDMI.

I am currently running version 1.10 software in AVM-50. I also have a Toshiba XA2 connected via HDMI and have not had problems since upgrading the player's software to 1.6. I also have an Oppo 970 connected via HDMI with no issues.

Anyone have any suggestions? I was hoping I could hold out on revising my software in the AVM-50 until the next official release, but there's no telling when that will be. I've e mailed tech support and suspect they will recommend I try one of the many beta software floating around.
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post #7473 of 40739
6/21/07 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by ajeruns View Post

I recently purchased Sony's new blu ray player, BDP-S300, and connected it to my AVM-50 with HDMI cable. I am not getting picture or sound. I've tried changing the cable with no luck. I connected my Toshiba XA2 to the same HDMI port (3) that I had the Sony connected to and it worked fine, so I know its not the AVM-50 port. I connected the Sony Blu ray player directly to my TV via HDMI and its working properly. I connected the player to AVM-50 with component cable (left HDMI cable connected) and changed the settings in source setup and it worked properly. The only way I can get the Blu Ray player to work through the AVM-50 via HDMI is to go into source setup, and switch the setting from component cable to HDMI 3. But once I turn it off and turn it back on, I do not get picture and sound through HDMI.

I am currently running version 1.10 software in AVM-50. I also have a Toshiba XA2 connected via HDMI and have not had problems since upgrading the player's software to 1.6. I also have an Oppo 970 connected via HDMI with no issues.

Anyone have any suggestions? I was hoping I could hold out on revising my software in the AVM-50 until the next official release, but there's no telling when that will be. I've e mailed tech support and suspect they will recommend I try one of the many beta software floating around.

I think you are going to have to switch to new AVM-50 "test" software or continue to use the Source Setup workaround that you found until the real software release happens. Apparently the Sony is having trouble establishing the HDMI connection at power up.

Make sure you have HDMI Repeater = NO set in the Source Setup for that input. That setting makes it easier for the source device to establish the HDMI conection.

Also check that you have the latest software for the Sony player.

If you switch Anthem software right now, odds are they will ask you to try either V1.12q or V1.12r. So far, reports for both of these have been good, and neither should give you any problems with your XA2 or Oppo.
--Bob
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post #7474 of 40739
6/21/07 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If you switch Anthem software right now, odds are they will ask you to try either V1.12q or V1.12r. So far, reports for both of these have been good, and neither should give you any problems with your XA2 or Oppo.
--Bob

The 1.12r is not glitch free with the XA2. I've seen a pink screen once. I changed sources and came back and it was corrected. No big deal for me, but to Nick, this is a big deal. He wants it perfect.
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post #7475 of 40739
6/21/07 at 4:56pm
Bob,

I can confirm that my new D2 has 1.11e installed. It is indicated on the outside of the box and the status display shows it as well. My dealer hooked up the new D2 along with an A2 and A5. Now comes the fun getting everything set like I want it to be...

Buddy
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post #7476 of 40739
6/21/07 at 4:58pm
Thanks for the additional confirmation. I'm glad to see that Anthem has stopped shipping the original V1.11 in new units. It caused too many headaches for too many folks. The V1.11e stuff should work fine for you until the next software release becomes available. [Now if they'd just change the version downloaded from the web site as well....]

Have fun playing!
--Bob
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post #7477 of 40739
6/21/07 at 5:08pm
Thanks Bob, hopefully it won't take Nick too long to reply to my e mail.
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post #7478 of 40739
6/21/07 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by drdisc View Post

Thanks Mr. Mixer!

I will be ordering an io cable today based upon your expert opinion.

Also, I hope that your 7.1 demo was a big success.

Mark

We had to cancel the demo.. long story, but Rob did get to spend some time with us, and it was great seeing him... if he wants, he can tell you all about it
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post #7479 of 40739
6/21/07 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

We had to cancel the demo.. long story, but Rob did get to spend some time with us, and it was great seeing him... if he wants, he can tell you all about it

Wow, talk about great timing!

First and most importantly: thank you very much Marc for inviting me in to the studio to get a true insider's look at what happens in the sound studio! Needless to say, I found it absolutely fascinating....even more so than I had imagined.

Guys, Marc didn't tell me a thing about what to expect in terms of who would/might be there. As I wandered around the lot, finding the right studio, I walk through the doors where I am met by several people. I inform them that I was looking for "Marc". I was told to proceed through some more doors, and that he was "expecting me". As I got closer to the other doors, I notice a person who looks very familiar. I smiled as I walked past, and he said a very friendly "hello".

"Was that Rob Reiner" I thought to myself? Yes, it was. He was there to go over the sound mix with Marc and others at Todd AO studio for a new film that he is finishing with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman.

Watching the process of movie making unfold before me was very exciting as a true movie fan. I told Marc the most fascinating thing was watching/listening to the way Rob Reiner would communicate what he wanted from the sound in terms of how he wanted to tell the story, and the way Marc and crew would react. A true team effort. I thought Reiner did a very good job in communicating what he was looking for....something I would think would be required to be a successful director, which Reiner obviously is!

He was very friendly, down to earth, and fun. Even asked about my family/kids.

It really is amazing how many layers of sound there are in these scenes. We watched a scene that takes place in an airplane, and the way the various sound effects can be taken away, added, or changed was very impressive. Even more impressive when you consider how fast it could be done!

Marc clearly works hard long hours.....but he still has a very cool job!

Thanks Marc!
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post #7480 of 40739
6/22/07 at 1:39am
Thats awesome Rob. Thanks for relaying the experience. I'm jealous.
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post #7481 of 40739
6/22/07 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by Randall Morton View Post

Thats awesome Rob. Thanks for relaying the experience. I'm jealous.

Greetings,

I agree, great story and many thanks to Marc and Rob for sharing.


Regards,
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post #7482 of 40739
6/22/07 at 6:25am
Thread Starter 
Thats awesome Rob! I'm SOOOO jealous.
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post #7483 of 40739
6/22/07 at 6:28am
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1.12q is working perfectly for me, so I will wait a bit...

The PS3 and XA2 are working great with that firmware for me, and even my satellite STB is working like a charm. Switching input is fast and always glitch free, and handshakes are fast and stable.

BTW, my frame-lock is working for me. So I have Video ouput 1: 1080p60, with Tosh XA2 and sat STB, and Video ouput 2: 1080p24 with the PS3 with frame-lock on. Working like a charm. Not a single skipping or studder after more then 7 Blu-ray titles at 1080p24!
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post #7484 of 40739
6/22/07 at 6:29am
Rob,

You were in the right place and the right time.

Simply interesting beyond words!!
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post #7485 of 40739
6/22/07 at 6:43am
Rob:

Wow! It sounds like you had an amazing visit with Marc! I guess you had both an audio and visual overload!

Wait until Peter reads about this!

Marc:

I have extra Air Miles so the next time you have a demo scheduled I will have to try and make it out to see you in action -- but you have to make sure that Angelina Jolie is around checking out the final mixdown for one of her films

Mark
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post #7486 of 40739
6/22/07 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

Wow, talk about great timing!

First and most importantly: thank you very much Marc for inviting me in to the studio to get a true insider's look at what happens in the sound studio! Needless to say, I found it absolutely fascinating....even more so than I had imagined.

Guys, Marc didn't tell me a thing about what to expect in terms of who would/might be there. As I wandered around the lot, finding the right studio, I walk through the doors where I am met by several people. I inform them that I was looking for "Marc". I was told to proceed through some more doors, and that he was "expecting me". As I got closer to the other doors, I notice a person who looks very familiar. I smiled as I walked past, and he said a very friendly "hello".

"Was that Rob Reiner" I thought to myself? Yes, it was. He was there to go over the sound mix with Marc and others at Todd AO studio for a new film that he is finishing with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman.

Watching the process of movie making unfold before me was very exciting as a true movie fan. I told Marc the most fascinating thing was watching/listening to the way Rob Reiner would communicate what he wanted from the sound in terms of how he wanted to tell the story, and the way Marc and crew would react. A true team effort. I thought Reiner did a very good job in communicating what he was looking for....something I would think would be required to be a successful director, which Reiner obviously is!

He was very friendly, down to earth, and fun. Even asked about my family/kids.

It really is amazing how many layers of sound there are in these scenes. We watched a scene that takes place in an airplane, and the way the various sound effects can be taken away, added, or changed was very impressive. Even more impressive when you consider how fast it could be done!

Marc clearly works hard long hours.....but he still has a very cool job!

Thanks Marc!

That must have been a terrific experience!

According to imdb the film is titled The Bucket List.
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post #7487 of 40739
6/22/07 at 8:02am
Help!
I'm going crazy trying to get my D2 to play the DD sountrack of any DVD played on my Arcam DV29 connected via HDMI. I get either channels out of place, or a very loud high-pitched squeal.
-- The Arcam is set to bitstream/ 6-channel, and the d2 is set to receive audio via HDMI.

Does anyone have an idea as to what is going on?
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post #7488 of 40739
6/22/07 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by bubba View Post

Help!
I'm going crazy trying to get my D2 to play the DD sountrack of any DVD played on my Arcam DV29 connected via HDMI. I get either channels out of place, or a very loud high-pitched squeal.
-- The Arcam is set to bitstream/ 6-channel, and the d2 is set to receive audio via HDMI.

Does anyone have an idea as to what is going on?

I suspect you have a setup problem in the Arcam.

I'm not familiar with that player. What other choices does it offer for the audio output setting over HDMI?

Also, if it has an optical or coax digital audio output, try hooking that up to verify that the player is properly reading the disc and is able to transfer the DD bitstream to the D2 that way.

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Meanwhile in the D2, verify that you have HDMI Repeater = NO and Auto Dig = NO in the Source Setup for that input. That simplifies the connection.
--Bob
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post #7489 of 40739
6/22/07 at 8:17am
I think the D-2 will only accept PCM via HDMI.
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post #7490 of 40739
6/22/07 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by ajeruns View Post

I think the D-2 will only accept PCM via HDMI.

No that's incorrect. The D2 will also accept normal DD and DTS bitstreams over HDMI in the same manner it will accept them over traditional optical or coax digital audio cable.
--Bob
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post #7491 of 40739
6/22/07 at 8:36am
Oopps, that's what I get for thinking.
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post #7492 of 40739
6/22/07 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by bubba View Post

Help!
I'm going crazy trying to get my D2 to play the DD sountrack of any DVD played on my Arcam DV29 connected via HDMI. I get either channels out of place, or a very loud high-pitched squeal.
-- The Arcam is set to bitstream/ 6-channel, and the d2 is set to receive audio via HDMI.

Does anyone have an idea as to what is going on?

Looking at the Arcam DV-29 manual:

Make sure you have Output Priority = HDMI/DVI set in the Arcam (manual page 14). This enables the automatic HDMI configuration handshake.

The audio setting you want for playing standard DVDs is actually Bitstream+2-CH (manual page 15). With that setting the player sends the still encoded bitstreams to the D2 for standard DVDs and sends 2 channel PCM to the D2 for CDs.

[The Bitstream+6-CH setting you have been trying to use causes THE PLAYER to decode the bitstreams from the disc and send 6 channels of PCM to the D2 over the HDMI connection according to speaker configuration information you have set up in the player. This setting would only make sense when playing DVD-Audio discs.]

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The faulty speaker mapping and squealing you were hearing are likely due to incorrect setup of the decoding function and speaker configuration in THE PLAYER when using that Bitstream+6CH setting. I've no idea why the player is offering that for standard DVD playback. It seems a silly option.

In any event, switching to the correct Bitstream+2Ch setting should fix your problem for standard DVD and CD playback.

If you have DVD-Audio discs you want to play over HDMI, you will need to experiment some more with the Bitstream+6CH setting. The D2 offers a speaker mapping function in Source Setup for fixing issues with DVD-Audio where the player is not sending the sounds to the correct speakers. You should not fiddle with this for normal DVD or CD playback.
--Bob
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post #7493 of 40739
6/22/07 at 9:02am
Amazing experience Rod.
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post #7494 of 40739
6/22/07 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

We had to cancel the demo.. long story, but Rob did get to spend some time with us, and it was great seeing him... if he wants, he can tell you all about it


Is the demo cancelled or just postponed?
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post #7495 of 40739
6/22/07 at 9:22am
Hello. I was wondering what your preferred crop mode everyone selects with viewing SDTV?

I've read all the post on cropping and scaling and torn on the best choice based on my preferences. I'm using a DirecTV H20 and Pioneer plasma 5050HD.

In reading the crop/scaling thread, it is the recommendation to not use Zoom mode for normal viewing as it will not give the best results. With that being said, I think the Zoom mode is the only option based on my preference.

For HDTV viewing, the display shows in 16x9 without any problems. However, I do want to use the full screen for SDTV viewing with no pillar box. For the crop input, I would either select HDMI auto detect or 16x9. For the scale output, if I select anamorphic stretch or panoramic stretch, both distorts the image. I would rather not use 4x3 to generate the pillar box. The only other option is Zoom.

Is there a workaround to allow SDTV 4x3 to fill the screen without any distorted pictures with the stretch modes?

Also for those generating letter/pillarboxes, what color are you setting the D2 to display the borders? Black, dark, medium, light, etc? I'm using the lightest in hopes to minimize any burn in on the plasma.

Thanks
Steve
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post #7496 of 40739
6/22/07 at 9:29am
Thanks for the comments guys, it really was a terrific experience! A real eye opener.

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Originally Posted by 3no View Post

That must have been a terrific experience!

According to imdb the film is titled The Bucket List.

Yes, that is it. Funny, I was going to post a link to the IMDB in my original post and completely forgot!
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post #7497 of 40739
6/22/07 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by shn750 View Post

Hello. I was wondering what your preferred crop mode everyone selects with viewing SDTV?

I've read all the post on cropping and scaling and torn on the best choice based on my preferences. I'm using a DirecTV H20 and Pioneer plasma 5050HD.

In reading the crop/scaling thread, it is the recommendation to not use Zoom mode for normal viewing as it will not give the best results. With that being said, I think the Zoom mode is the only option based on my preference.

For HDTV viewing, the display shows in 16x9 without any problems. However, I do want to use the full screen for SDTV viewing with no pillar box. For the crop input, I would either select HDMI auto detect or 16x9. For the scale output, if I select anamorphic stretch or panoramic stretch, both distorts the image. I would rather not use 4x3 to generate the pillar box. The only other option is Zoom.

Is there a workaround to allow SDTV 4x3 to fill the screen without any distorted pictures with the stretch modes?

Also for those generating letter/pillarboxes, what color are you setting the D2 to display the borders? Black, dark, medium, light, etc? I'm using the lightest in hopes to minimize any burn in on the plasma.

Thanks
Steve

Steve, you can't make a 4:3 image fill a 16:9 screen without either distorting the image, or losing portions of the image off the top and bottom of the screen, or both. The shapes are different.

If you really want to view your SDTV (4:3) stuff by discarding the top and bottom of the image so that it can fill the screen, then don't use the Scale Out / Zoom feature.

Instead, set up a Crop Input / Custom setting where the Horizontal size remains at maximum and the Vertical size is reduced according to how much of the image you want to discard top and bottom. Then use Scale Out / Anamorphic to uniformly stretch what's left to fill your 16:9 screen.

If the ratio of the Horizontal to Vertical Size in your Custom Crop setting ends up as 16:9 then the portion of the image you see will just fill the screen without being distorted. But again, you will lose a significant part of the image off the top and bottom.

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By the way, your SDTV source device should be setup up to send the images to a 16:9 screen, and to send what looks like an image that has been uniformly stretched left to right to fill that screen. I.e., do NOT have your source device generate pillar box bars for you!

Although this sounds like I'm telling you to have the source stretch the image left and right, in reality this setup means the source is doing NOTHING to the image. It is still sending out the same 480x720i image data that it is receiving from the SDTV station, it's just that each pixel is interpreted (by the D2) as "fatter".

If you tell your source to put on the pillar box bars then it STILL sends 480x720i, but a significant number of the pixels across each 720 pixel wide line are set to black (or whatever) leaving only the center of each 720-wide line to hold the real picture information. This just wastes horizontal resolution.
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post #7498 of 40739
6/22/07 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

Wow, talk about great timing!

First and most importantly: thank you very much Marc for inviting me in to the studio to get a true insider's look at what happens in the sound studio! Needless to say, I found it absolutely fascinating....even more so than I had imagined.

Guys, Marc didn't tell me a thing about what to expect in terms of who would/might be there. As I wandered around the lot, finding the right studio, I walk through the doors where I am met by several people. I inform them that I was looking for "Marc". I was told to proceed through some more doors, and that he was "expecting me". As I got closer to the other doors, I notice a person who looks very familiar. I smiled as I walked past, and he said a very friendly "hello".

"Was that Rob Reiner" I thought to myself? Yes, it was. He was there to go over the sound mix with Marc and others at Todd AO studio for a new film that he is finishing with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman.

Watching the process of movie making unfold before me was very exciting as a true movie fan. I told Marc the most fascinating thing was watching/listening to the way Rob Reiner would communicate what he wanted from the sound in terms of how he wanted to tell the story, and the way Marc and crew would react. A true team effort. I thought Reiner did a very good job in communicating what he was looking for....something I would think would be required to be a successful director, which Reiner obviously is!

He was very friendly, down to earth, and fun. Even asked about my family/kids.

It really is amazing how many layers of sound there are in these scenes. We watched a scene that takes place in an airplane, and the way the various sound effects can be taken away, added, or changed was very impressive. Even more impressive when you consider how fast it could be done!

Marc clearly works hard long hours.....but he still has a very cool job!

Thanks Marc!

I am soooooo totally insanely jealous. What a phenomenal opportunity for a serious film buff (although I'm not sure that 'film buff' accurately labels the Rob that we have come to know and love!!!!!). Nice description Rob......Marc has either worked on or with the crews of at least three of my all time favourite films.......what a phenomenal privilege! There has got to be a way to bring the 'principals' of this group together face to face. I guess now would be a good time to ask if Bob, Marc, Alain, Rob, Hank, Tolstoi and others...you know who you are.......might be attending the Cedia conference in Denver in the fall???

Or is there a better more convenient venue that we might be able to focus on? Marc, letting ROB share his experience with us is a hugely appreciated gift. It really shudda been me Marc .............................


Peter
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post #7499 of 40739
6/22/07 at 11:48am
^^^ Every body in this thread is always invited... look me up when in LA...

As far as the demo goes, it might not happen, but the 7.1 mix is still a possibility.

Peter... come on down! Since I am from Denver, I might make that the time to go home and visit
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post #7500 of 40739
6/22/07 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

1.12q is working perfectly for me, so I will wait a bit...

The PS3 and XA2 are working great with that firmware for me, and even my satellite STB is working like a charm. Switching input is fast and always glitch free, and handshakes are fast and stable.

BTW, my frame-lock is working for me. So I have Video ouput 1: 1080p60, with Tosh XA2 and sat STB, and Video ouput 2: 1080p24 with the PS3 with frame-lock on. Working like a charm. Not a single skipping or studder after more then 7 Blu-ray titles at 1080p24!

Is there any way I can get access to this version? I'm running 1.11e and would love to be able to get my PS3 running at 1080p24....

Thanks...!
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