Monitor Audio Owners Thread - Page 51

The Stereophile measurements of the GS10 in the current issue shows a peak in the FR at about 12KHz, but it looks to me like it is more like +2 or 3dB over the nominal midband level. With that said, the frequency response graphs are different enough between the GR and the GS that I would not consider them a match.

Here is the FR graph for the GR10:



I can't post the FR graph for the GS10, as Stereophile has not published it on-line yet, but I can tell you that the GS10 does not have the rise in the response between 500-1KHz that the GR does, nor does it dip between 2-5KHz. The GS10 is more flat from 50Hz to about 5KHz and then gently rises from there to about a peak of 3dB at 12KHz.

There are a few GR LCR's on Audiogon right now, but if I remember correctly, you have silver speakers, which are a bit of a rarity and you will probably have to wait a while to find a cosmetic match.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ran&1192991851

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1194913942

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ull&1193975166

what did you think of the final comment(s) about the GS-10's? I would assume is directed toward all GS-Series models (quote): "it's slight propensity to brightness will require careful choice of amplification, cable, and source components so that [that] brightness is not exaggerated."

I must say that it's always very interesting to me that many author's/reviewers casually, or matter-of-factly, mention the fact that cable (or conductor) selection can, and will, play a major role in the ultimate sound of a system. However, the message I get, over-and-over, on this form is that cable/wire differences are not audible, so don't be foolish and spend money on all those expensive brand-name product and just use generic (MonoPrice, for example) interconnects combined with Home Depot speaker wire, nothing more.

Sometimes I wish that cables made a difference because it would give me another option to fine tune the sound of my system to my liking, but it has been my experience, like many others here, that if there is a difference it is so minimal as to not matter or be worth the price. I try to keep an open mind and reserve judgement until I have had a chance to have my own experience. But I have to be honest, when I did audition several speaker cables a few years back I went into it with a healthy dose of skepticism. I tried XLO, Kimber and Monster, but I just couldn't hear any appreciable difference between them. Sometimes I thought I did, but then my opinion would change each time I swapped cables. I also tried my hand at a couple of higher end pre/pros and amps (NAD Master Series, Anthem Statement), but I couldn't hear much difference between those either. My inability to hear differences between cables and front-end gear has made me wonder if I have tin ears, but then why is it so easy for me to reliably hear the difference between speakers and the influences of the room on the sound and the difference between good and bad recordings? In the end, I have no agenda, and I'm not out to convert others to my way of thinking (though I will share it if asked). If someone believes that they hear differences between cables and front-end gear, more power to them. I should make it clear though, that I am only talking about upper mid-fi and high-end gear. I have heard some cheap receivers with a rather high noise floor and weak, brittle sounding amp sections. I just think that the point of dimishing returns is fairly low at this point.

The cable does make difference. What gauge cable you buy pretty much determines the quality of the audio. But then, gauge is limited by the distance.. So, if your speakers are in relatively short distance, use the thickest cable, then you are all set. You do not need to use the $500+ cables on that regard.

I am not allowed to advertise, afaik, but B*UE J*ans C*bles make a very good gauge 10 or 12 cables that are shielded and terminated by locking banana plug.

I bought both terminated 10" for $35 or so.

Question for amps~.

Is parasound Halo A23 sufficient to drive my speakers? I have Pioneer VSX-92 wich is quoted for 130wpc. Am I going to hear some sonic improvements if I buy A21?

Thanks for your feedback in advance.

okay so i have another option since i am thinking of buying used not new
should i get the 10i or rslcr or gslcr
i may be able to get the gslcr for around 300 used and i can get the rslcr for about 400 new and the 10 i is a little less than 300. price is around the same.i know that the gslcr is the best speaker out of them. so any suggestions

Yes, the A23 will drive your GR60's just fine. Stepping up to the A21 will only get you 3dB more max output. You only need more than about a 100 watts if you plan on cranking your system or if you have a very large room (over 3000 cu feet).

As to whether or not you will hear a difference between the A23 and your Pioneer . . . only you can answer that. I have a Denon AVR 5800 and I bought and returned an Anthem Statement and a NAD Master Series amp because I heard no difference in sound quality. I didn't need the extra power of these larger outboard amps because I rarely listen above 95dB. Others claim that they hear a noticable improvement by going with a seperate amp, so again, only you can determine if one is going to make a difference by listening to it in your system.

bballgms,

Your question was first answered in post 1493. The answer would be the same this time.

Dan

Personally, I would go with the matching center, as the goal is create a seamless soundstage. Even though the other speakers may be better (which is highly subjective by the way), I think it is more important to tonally match all three front speakers.

Thanks. I guess I will have to look around for dealers that would loan the amps for review.

Thanks again.

wats the diff between the grlcr and the gslcr , rslcr, and the silver 10i
if all of these were same price which one should i get for my system.
thank you

The main difference between all three of these speakers is going to be the tonal balance as dictacted by their differing frequency responses. The bottom line is this, even though they are all Monitor Audio speakers, they are all going to sound different. So again, regardless of price, you should buy the one that matches your main L/R speakers.

if i can not find the silver 10i then what should i buy since it is very hard to find the right color of the silver 10i

I've got a PM from a fellow MA users about Crown Amp. Does anyone use the çrown amp for their MA speakers? If so, can you share your experience?

Based on the frequency response graphs I've seen on MA speakers, I think your next best choice would be the GRLCR. Not the GSLCR and definitely not the RSLCR.

There are a couple of GRLCR's on Audiogon right now.

so ur saying i should get the silver 10i and if i cant get that i should get the GRLCR?

would there be a huge differance between the grlcr and the silver 10i and the gslcr??
i am still very confused on wat to use?

I don't know what else I can say that I haven't already said.

1st choice - 10i
2nd choice - GRLCR
3rd choice - GSLCR
Not recommended - RSLCR

The GR and GSLCR are not a perfect tonal match for your speakers, but I can't tell you if the difference will be "huge". Sound quality is subjective, and only you can determine whether or not the difference is too much.

why did u recommend the new gslcr as a third choice and the grlcr as a second choice? thatis is my question. since the gslcr is also the newerer model and has a higher frewuency range. (i tink)

I have explained my reasoning all along, but I will say it one last time. Based on published frequency response graphs, the GRLCR should be a better tonal match for your speakers than the GSLCR.

I'm afraid that at this point I have nothing further I can tell you. If you have additional questions, either re-read my previous posts, research the freqency response graphs for yourself, or buy both the GS and GRLCR and sell off the one you don't like.

can u tell me where i can see the frequency responce graphcs for the 10i gslcr grlcr
canu guve the link
and if possible could u explain the graph.

There are no graphs for the 10i or the GRLCR, but there are graphs of other floor standing and bookshelf models in those ranges. The manufacturer (Monitor Audio) will try to match the sound of the center speaker to the other speakers within the same line, so you can get an idea what the frequency response for the center will be by looking at the graphs for the floorstanders and bookshelfs.

Here is the graph for the Silver 9i, which should be similar to the 10i from about 100Hz on up.



Here is the graph for the GR10, which should be similar to the GRLCR:



Here is the actual graph for the GSLCR (the green trace in the middle)



The easiest way to explain the graphs is that the squiggly line represents the volume of all of the frequencies (when fed a test tone) from the bass to the treble. The bass range is on left side of the graph, the midrange is in the middle of the graph, and the treble is on the right side. To get a tonal match with your current speakers, the frequency response plot for the center speaker you choose should have the same shape as the top graph (the Silver 9i graph).

Actually, now that I look at the graphs again, the GSLCR could be a good tonal match for your speakers IF you increase the treble control on your receiver by about +2dB.

WOW that makes it even more confusing since it seems even ur not sure if the gslcr or the grlcr is a better speaker for my system. i am not an audiophile are the speakers that close to each other?

okay lets say i didnt have the 8i and the 3i speakers, and i was using a 100 watt per channel reciever which speaker has a better sound quality 10i , rslcr, grlcr, gslcr.

this should help me a lot.

thank you for ur time hifissponge

if you could could you rank them like u did last time.

thanks for all ur help its appreciated.

Well, Monitor Audio has a bronze, silver and gold series. Since the Gold series is the top of their line (excluding the new Platinum series), technically the GSLCR would be the "best" (Gold is better than Silver, and Silver is better than Bronze). However, preferences in sound are very personal, so there really is no "best", only what sounds best to you. You may like the sound of the Silver series better than the Gold, and your case the Silver i series is a better match than the Gold for your current system, making it the "best".

The bottom line is that you really shouldn't be basing your decisions on which speaker to buy solely on opinions or graphs. You need to listen to them to decide. If you can't listen, and you have exsisting speakers you are trying to match (which we know you do), then you buy the speaker center speaker that is from the same series that you currently own, or the one that has the closest tonal character, for which you already have my recommendations.

With all due respect, you are overthinking this and it isn't going to be the end of the world if you don't have a perfect match. Let me make it easier and quite clear for you. Buy the 10i. If you can't find one, buy either the GR or GSLCR. Don't buy the RSLCR.

My local dealer received the PL300 Platinums today. They sounded great! They were hooked up to Marantz Reference MA-9S1 mono blocks, matching preamp, and SA-11 SACD player. The ebony finish and leather is gorgeous!
They also have all the Gold and Silver lines. Anybody near the Ann Arbor, MI area should should take time to listen to the Platinums at eyemedia sound & vision.

Did you listen to the Gold's and compare them to the Platinum's? Just curious how they compare. I'm sure the Plats are much better, but if you can put it into words, I'm sure many hear would like a more detailed account of your imipressions.

No, I didn't have time. I'm going back later this week after the Platinums get some more hours on them. I will compare them to the GS60's.

Sounds good. Looking forward to hearing your opinion.

should center channel be placed under or above the tv my floor standing tweeters are at the center of the tv and my ear is at the center of the tv.