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post #211 of 10043
Best setup for Sub

I have the following system for use with 50% HT/ 50% Music
GR60 fronts
GRCentre
GRfx surrounds.
FB212 Sub

Have currently just got sub connected to the sub output of AV processor rather than to the line outs of normal stereo amp.

This means the sub is only used for FILMs. How have others got system set ups.

Thanks
post #212 of 10043
I'm considering a certain setup (music 75%, HT 25%) for my 13'x20'x9' room:

2x GS60 mains
GS LCR
GS10 or GS FX surrounds
Marantz SR8500 receiver (160W into 6 ohms)

I'm still struggling with a few questions and curious about your opinion:

- Are the GS60's too big for such a room with respect to acoustics?
- Is the receiver powerful enough to drive the GS60's with respect to clipping or amplitude squeezing

At first I was also looking at the denon avr-3806, but it appears that its power supply isn't as heavy as the Marantz, since the power consuption of the Denon is half that of the Marantz at more or less the same output power rating and the Denon does not appear to have a torroidal transformer. I'm told that a more powerful (dedicated) amp will be more stable at the same volume, but how powerful is powerful enough?
post #213 of 10043
Hi Johan,

First off, nice speakers. I love the MA Golds. I own a GR10 setup. The 8500 is a solid receiver, and will work fine with your speakers. That said, adding an amp will certainly make a difference. I would suggest a couple of things. If an amp isn't in the cards right now, go with the Marantz, and add an amp down the road. Another option is go with the 7500 and put the savings toward a used amp. Double check me on this, but I think that the 7500 is the same as the 8500 with the exception of the amp section (also make sure it has pre-outs). This is what I did (not with Marantz, but same concept). I did a ton of research, and most will agree that going used for amps is one of the best deals in audio. Amps last a long time, and the technology doesn't get updated. I bought a used Adcom GFA-5503 from Audiogon, which is a 3 channel amp that normally goes for $1700, for $500.
post #214 of 10043
Johan,

I just put in a pair of GS60's, GS LCR and 2 pairs of silver fxi surrounds for a customer run off a SR8500 and it sounds great. No problems with power at your typical movie watching levels. Their room is quite a bit bigger than yours also and they are 100% movies and tv. I listened to some cd's after setting it up and they played fine at a reasonably loud setting.
post #215 of 10043
Hi Brian & Redskin
I am considering a similar setup, with a Marantz THX Ultra 105w pc reciever but is that under-driving the speakers?
I dont mean in terms of power, but sound quality?
SR 12, GS LCR for all 3 fronts.

Also I read the MA subs dont go so low - about 40Hz, so I am thinking of partner them with a SVS PCi +. Will that integrate?
Movies 65% music 35%
Thanks
post #216 of 10043
Thread Starter 
If you are concerned about clipping or power compression most any receiver will not protect against this. It is very easy to clip an lower power receiver especially considering most are current limiting designs. You dont want to be replacing $400 tweeters are year or so.

The GS series is a flagship product from Monitor Audio and really requires an amplifier to run properly. The Marantz will play them, but they will not sound like the B&W killers that they are without a decent amp. If you dont want to invest the extra dough I would recommend the RS which is an incredible speaker and better matched with receivers.
post #217 of 10043
Thread Starter 
Just curious how many of you MA owners have purchased them without hearing them first?
post #218 of 10043
I have, although it was just MA B2 and B center.
post #219 of 10043
has any one heard any reviews on the GSw-12 subs? Any word on when they will be shipped. Still debating on weather to get the matching sub with Gs 60 or look towards different brand. what other subs are some of you using?
post #220 of 10043
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Originally Posted by AudioArchitect View Post

Just curious how many of you MA owners have purchased them without hearing them first?

I did. First MA S8s and then MA GR 60s. I have been very happy with both sets of speakers.
post #221 of 10043
Thanks for all the replies!

AudioArchitect: Well, I did audition a number of speakers. Among those were the Silver and the Golds. Although the Golds were fed throug a Marantz SR5400 (90W into 8 ohms) receiver to me they sounded distinctly better than the Silvers. However that was at an amplifier setting of -25dB max and only two channels used. Because of the sound I would really like to have the Golds.

If I understand you correctly a dedicated amp, even when its output rating is not much higher than the Marantz, would be less current limited. Since every amp sounds different it's probably a good idea to have at least the mains and the center attached to the same amp. That's 3 channels minimum. So, I'm now looking at adding a Rotel RMB-1095 (5x200W into 8 ohms) which indeed appears to have a power consumption that exceeds 1kW. I could attach everything to the rotel or, in a 7.1 configuration, attach the surrounds to the Marantz. I cannot afford the whole package right now, so either I'd postpone the Rotel and restrain myself volume wise for the time being or keep saving and buy everything later, in which case I'm probably better off buying a Rotel processor instead of the Marantz receiver. There is also a nice 7 channel NAD, however I don't particularly like the stories about their breaking down a lot. I'm from Holland and therefore unfortunately cannot get my hands on an Outlaw Model 7700 (7x200W into 8ohms). I suspect 230V@50Hz models don't even exist, but it seems like a perfect candidate otherwise.

I'm very interested in your comments.

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Originally Posted by AudioArchitect View Post

If you are concerned about clipping or power compression most any receiver will not protect against this. It is very easy to clip an lower power receiver especially considering most are current limiting designs. You dont want to be replacing $400 tweeters are year or so.

The GS series is a flagship product from Monitor Audio and really requires an amplifier to run properly. The Marantz will play them, but they will not sound like the B&W killers that they are without a decent amp. If you dont want to invest the extra dough I would recommend the RS which is an incredible speaker and better matched with receivers.
post #222 of 10043
Hmm, as most power goes into bass wouldn't an active sub with a cross-over of e.g. 120 Hz take a lot of load from the Marantz receiver?
post #223 of 10043
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Originally Posted by AudioArchitect View Post

...The GS series is a flagship product from Monitor Audio... sound like the B&W killers...


AudioArchitect,

That is interesting to me since I am considering both MA and B&W for my speaker purchase. Which product line and model at B&W would you equate the GS20 to? How about the RS6?

Thanks.
post #224 of 10043
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Originally Posted by JohanR View Post

Hmm, as most power goes into bass wouldn't an active sub with a cross-over of e.g. 120 Hz take a lot of load from the Marantz receiver?

Your logic is correct, but please don't cross those speakers over at 120. Even with the Marantz receiver, you would be fine 60hz or 80hz. Just keep the volume at a reasonable level. If it were me, I would buy the speakers now, and add the amp later. Don't be afraid of comments, including mine, that say that the Gold's are maximized with an external amp. They are, but that doesn't mean you won't get great sound out of them with a receiver. Get what you can afford now, and when you add the amp, it will be like getting a new set of speakers.

It sounds to me like eventually you will get an amp at some point, so if you can afford the Gold's, it should be an obvious choice over the Silvers (although they are amazing speakers in their price class).

Of course this is my opinion, and you need to do what is right for you.
post #225 of 10043
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Originally Posted by adeeb View Post

AudioArchitect,

That is interesting to me since I am considering both MA and B&W for my speaker purchase. Which product line and model at B&W would you equate the GS20 to? How about the RS6?

Thanks.

I can't speak to the towers, but I extensively demo'd and looked hard at B&W (as well as Dynaudio, Vienna Acoustics and Sonus Faber) in their bookshelf models. IMO, I think the GR10's blow away the B&W 705's. To my ears, they were every bit as good as the 805's and maybe a little better, but I am sure others would disagree.

Greg
post #226 of 10043
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by slybasil View Post

has any one heard any reviews on the GSw-12 subs? Any word on when they will be shipped. Still debating on weather to get the matching sub with Gs 60 or look towards different brand. what other subs are some of you using?

Just contacted Kevro about the release of the GSW-12. Its looks to be another 2 months before release. They are making some finishing touches. Something in the same class would the Velodyne DD-10 or 12. Both will go down to sub 20 hz with extremely low distortion and room correction. I have seen a sub yet that touches these.
post #227 of 10043
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Redskin View Post

I can't speak to the towers, but I extensively demo'd and looked hard at B&W (as well as Dynaudio, Vienna Acoustics and Sonus Faber) in their bookshelf models. IMO, I think the GR10's blow away the B&W 705's. To my ears, they were every bit as good as the 805's and maybe a little better, but I am sure others would disagree.Greg

You are correct, the GS series is far superior to B&W for less money. However, B&W is very successful marketing company so many cannot escape the hype. You will almost never find a dealer that carries B&W and Monitor Audio Gold because they wont be able to sell their Nautilus 800 series.
post #228 of 10043
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by adeeb View Post

AudioArchitect,

That is interesting to me since I am considering both MA and B&W for my speaker purchase. Which product line and model at B&W would you equate the GS20 to? How about the RS6?

Thanks.

The GS20 would be maybe the 804 I think. The RS6 would be compared to something in the 700 series. The mids on the GS series are more open sounding because of the Puresound crossover. Full-range midrange drivers are the ideal in speaker design.
post #229 of 10043
I am looking for some advice about Denon and MA match. I have only just found this thread and what I have read it's great to hear so many people talking about MA.
I have a Denon 2802 receiver with Bose Acousitmas 15 speakers. No comments about the bose please, they served a purpose.
I am looking at the Bronze series. My budget will allow for the 1xB center, 2xB4 fronts and 2xB2 rears.
I have also seen the Silver series, but the budget will only allow 2xRS6.
70% movies 30% music. Is it worth going for the Silver and building slowly or going straight for the bronze.
I Love the looks and sound of the Silver. The bronze look ok and sound very good.
Any recommendations?
post #230 of 10043
How about 4x RS1 plus RS center (plus a sub of course, but that doesn't need to be an MA sub)?

Alternatively, you could get B2 for the rear instead of RS1. They use the same tweeters, so they'll still be timbre matched.

If you were listening to a lot of music, I would have said go with the 2x RS6, but if 70% of your listening is movies, then you may be better served by a dedicated sub instead of large floor-standers like the RS6.

On the other hand, if you factor in the price of nice stands for the RS1, then maybe it'll be a wash in terms of pricing. I don't know what the price difference is betw. RS1 and RS6.
post #231 of 10043
Greetings! I recently bought my first pair of Monitor Audio speakers about a month ago. I bought a used pair of 8i's off audiogon and am now in the market for a center. I was wondering if buying a GRLCR for the center as opposed to the "matched" 12i would sound good. I'm going to purchase a used pair of the silver i-series speakers later in the summer when my financial situation for the fall is finalized. I've heard nothing but rave reviews about this center and the gold reference series in general, and would really love to have this overachiever for "movie time", but wanted to hae an outside opinion or two before I bought one. Thanks a lot.
post #232 of 10043
[quote=Pete7874]

Alternatively, you could get B2 for the rear instead of RS1. They use the same tweeters, so they'll still be timbre matched.


Does the MA bronze have the same tweeter as the RS?
SO what about the GS?
P
post #233 of 10043
If you look on MA's page, all of their speakers (Radius, Bronze, Silver, Gold) use the 25mm (1") C-CAMĀ® Gold Dome tweeters. However, the frequency response (top end) appears to be different, so they may not be identical afterall. Maybe AudioArchitect could shed some light on this?
post #234 of 10043
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Originally Posted by AudioArchitect View Post

The GS20 would be maybe the 804 I think. The RS6 would be compared to something in the 700 series. The mids on the GS series are more open sounding because of the Puresound crossover. Full-range midrange drivers are the ideal in speaker design.


Thanks - that puts things in perspective. I need to try my best to listen to these speakers...
post #235 of 10043
Thread Starter 
The RS series uses the same tweeter as the old Gold Reference line. The new Gold Signature tweeters are completely new. The Bronze is an older iteration of the C-Cam. I would expect a new Bronze series by CEDIA. I am not sure what the current Radius line uses.

The differences between the tweeters are a combination of different alloy in the C-Cam, and different motor structures. This usually involves a different voice coil material or double magnet, etc. The new Gold Signature tweeter is outstanding. Listening a Martin Logan Vantage and Gold Signature side by side, I found the highs just as resolving and the mids more open than the ESL! The only downer is the slight forwardness to the sound. This is more of a preference issue than a flaw.
post #236 of 10043
Just managed to read through this thread...I've loved MA's for some time, but never had the chance to purchase a set. I'm now thinking about uprgrading, and the RS6/RS8 are in my budget. Is there a major difference between the two models? These will serve as the front left/right channels in a 5.1 setup,, but I am planning on upgrading my electronics as well to provide a better audio application for the room. The room itself is rather small (13' x 19' x 8'), and serves as a family room as well. I don't listen to loud music and I don't really like heavy bass sound...classical music and classic rock are my standards. Is the upgrade from RS6 to RS8 worth it?


Also, would the B center channel match up well with either set? Because of space constraints in my cabinet, the RS lcr won't fit (1/2 inch too big!)


As an aside, I would also like to put a decent 2 channel system in my study, but given the furniture configuration, only bookshelfs would work...would the RS1 be adequate for this application, and how much power would be needed to drive them?
post #237 of 10043
If you have a sub,the RS 6 is enough, If no sub the RS 8's give you more low end. I prefer the 8 's over the 6's, many don't.
I would think the money saved buying the 6's would be enough to get a good sub if you wanted more bass latter.
For the price of the RS 8, you might consider looking at the MA GR-10's ( old model) or the new GS -10. They maybe the same price as the RS 8,s
post #238 of 10043
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Originally Posted by Redskin View Post

Don't be afraid of comments, including mine, that say that the Gold's are maximized with an external amp. They are, but that doesn't mean you won't get great sound out of them with a receiver. Get what you can afford now, and when you add the amp, it will be like getting a new set of speakers.

One amp that I think I can get my hands on here in the Netherlands is the Rotel RMB-1095. This is a 5x200W into 8 ohms amp that seems to be quite popular and I think is very capable of driving GS series floorstanders. However, I hear that Rotel is going digital as are some other brands and that the 1095 has been discontinued. They've already got a 7x100W digital amp and I suspect that a 7x200W amp is in the works. These digitals are much smaller (I like a big amp) and have much lower power consumption.

Does anyone know if digital amps are able to provide the same amount of current, and have the same amount of control over (MA) speakers?
post #239 of 10043
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Originally Posted by BMO View Post

If you have a sub,the RS 6 is enough, If no sub the RS 8's give you more low end. I prefer the 8 's over the 6's, many don't.
I would think the money saved buying the 6's would be enough to get a good sub if you wanted more bass latter.
For the price of the RS 8, you might consider looking at the MA GR-10's ( old model) or the new GS -10. They maybe the same price as the RS 8,s


I have a Mirage 12" sub..but I prefer to listen in direct mode where the sub isn't fed a signal...I'm not big into base. Do the GS-10's compare favorably with the bigger towers? If so, I could just get those and put them in my study with a simple integrated amp and CD player...how much power do they (or any bookshelf) require?
post #240 of 10043
Hi -

I've been doing a bit of auditioning recently and came up with the following opinions:

Paradigm Signature S8 - treble seemed over-emphasized and harsh
Energy Veritas 2.4i - good main, I didn't like the center or the cosmetics
B&W 802D, 804, 70? - the D series is killer but expensive -otherwise I wasn't impressed
MA GR-20 - good bang for the buck -good sound stage, treble level good to my tastes
PSB Platinum T6 - seemed to have a diffuse sound stage

Now I am thinking of ordering a front set (L+R+C) of GS60 + GSLCR, unfortunately the dealer didn't have any GS to listen too. Does anyone have opinions on what the sonic difference between the GR and GS is likely to be? In particular is it likely that the GS will be brighter than the GR?
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