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post #5221 of 9217
5/19/09 at 11:59am
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Hey all, I've got a question about my denon avr 2809 I am going to buy the
Monitor Audio GS 60 speakers but what kind of cables should I take whit them

Thanks Joey,

Despite what the salesman might say, you don't need fancy/expensive speaker cables. Just go with something in the 14 to 12 gauge range and you'll be fine. If you want cables that look nice and are built well, that's fine, buy what you can afford, but off-the-spool cable will sound just as good.
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post #5222 of 9217
5/20/09 at 6:42pm
Would there be any center channel speaker that is no higher than 6 1/2" that might blend fairly well with the RS6 or the GS10?
I just don't have the space for a center channel speaker anywhere but in front of the TV and anything over 6 1/2" will start to obstruct the view of the TV.
I want to get the RS6 or G10 but I'm not in a position to change my entire set-up at this time in order to fit a larger center speaker. Am I out of luck?
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post #5223 of 9217
5/20/09 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

Would there be any center channel speaker that is no higher than 6 1/2" that might blend fairly well with the RS6 or the GS10?
I just don't have the space for a center channel speaker anywhere but in front of the TV and anything over 6 1/2" will start to obstruct the view of the TV.
I want to get the RS6 or G10 but I'm not in a position to change my entire set-up at this time in order to fit a larger center speaker. Am I out of luck?

You may want to try the previous model MA Radius 250. I'm using the opposite config in that I have the RSLCR as my center combined with Radius 270's anf R90;s in my family room system. MA speakers are similarly voiced and though not ideal, that option might be worth a try. Also, Audiogon has them for a good price.
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post #5224 of 9217
5/20/09 at 8:33pm
Man this sucks .... i just got a pair of BR5's and they Suck Big time ... Paired with Cambridge audio 640 V 2.0 Amp they give me fatigue after one hour .... How much they need to run in?!

i was about to get a pair of RS1 Book shelves. but now i dont know ... what about Gold series? are they worth the extra cash? what about getting pair of PSB's rather than RS1's ... Any suggestions?
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post #5225 of 9217
5/20/09 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by DaaDaa View Post

Man this sucks .... i just got a pair of BR5's and they Suck Big time ... Paired with Cambridge audio 640 V 2.0 Amp they give me fatigue after one hour .... How much they need to run in?!

i was about to get a pair of RS1 Book shelves. but now i dont know ... what about Gold series? are they worth the extra cash? what about getting pair of PSB's rather than RS1's ... Any suggestions?

I hate to break it to ya, but I've owned a ton of speakers, and none of them have changed sound with "break-in". I have never heard the Bronze series, but I do like the Silver, Gold and Radius lines. You may not. The only way to buy speakers is to listen to them first, and to listen to your own music. Just go to your local dealers and make the day of it.
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post #5226 of 9217
5/20/09 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

Would there be any center channel speaker that is no higher than 6 1/2" that might blend fairly well with the RS6 or the GS10?
I just don't have the space for a center channel speaker anywhere but in front of the TV and anything over 6 1/2" will start to obstruct the view of the TV.
I want to get the RS6 or G10 but I'm not in a position to change my entire set-up at this time in order to fit a larger center speaker. Am I out of luck?

Not to threadjack, but I have a similar issue. I am interested in the RS6 for my left/right fronts. However, the RSLCR is too wide for my TV stand (the height is just fine). The RSLCR measures (according to the stats on MA's website) at 19 11/16" wide. My TV stand's middle section is only 19 3/8" wide. Which means it is just over 1/4" too wide.

One MA dealer today actually suggested that we could shave just over 1/8" off of each end of the speaker so it would fit in my stand. Ouch. Wouldn't this compromise the speaker?

Michael
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post #5227 of 9217
5/21/09 at 12:44am
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Originally Posted by EmDub View Post

Not to threadjack, but I have a similar issue. I am interested in the RS6 for my left/right fronts. However, the RSLCR is too wide for my TV stand (the height is just fine). The RSLCR measures (according to the stats on MA's website) at 19 11/16" wide. My TV stand's middle section is only 19 3/8" wide. Which means it is just over 1/4" too wide.

One MA dealer today actually suggested that we could shave just over 1/8" off of each end of the speaker so it would fit in my stand. Ouch. Wouldn't this compromise the speaker?

Michael

Why not just have it hang off the sides a little bit? That's not that much... don't shave it!
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post #5228 of 9217
5/21/09 at 3:11am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

You may want to try the previous model MA Radius 250. I'm using the opposite config in that I have the RSLCR as my center combined with Radius 270's anf R90;s in my family room system. MA speakers are similarly voiced and though not ideal, that option might be worth a try. Also, Audiogon has them for a good price.

Looks like a good option.
Thanks!
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post #5229 of 9217
5/21/09 at 5:16am
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Originally Posted by Menasor View Post

Why not just have it hang off the sides a little bit? That's not that much... don't shave it!

It wouldn't hang off--it just wouldn't physically fit in the cabinet. The speaker section is enclosed on all 4 sides.

Michael
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post #5230 of 9217
5/21/09 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by EmDub View Post

One MA dealer today actually suggested that we could shave just over 1/8" off of each end of the speaker so it would fit in my stand. Ouch. Wouldn't this compromise the speaker?

Michael

This dealer should find another profession that does not require a brain.
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post #5231 of 9217
5/21/09 at 6:42am
I think my only options are to mount the Silver center over the TV (which I'm not sure would work too well) or to go with the Bronze center. I'm going to another MA dealer today, so hopefully they'll be a little more helpful.

Matt @ Kevro (US Distributor, I believe) says the Bronze center would have nearly identical timbre with very similar tonality. This may have to be where I settle.

Before the silver series was revamped a few years ago, what model was the center? I'm wondering if tracking one of these down would be better.

Michael
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post #5232 of 9217
5/21/09 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

Would there be any center channel speaker that is no higher than 6 1/2" that might blend fairly well with the RS6 or the GS10?
I just don't have the space for a center channel speaker anywhere but in front of the TV and anything over 6 1/2" will start to obstruct the view of the TV.
I want to get the RS6 or G10 but I'm not in a position to change my entire set-up at this time in order to fit a larger center speaker. Am I out of luck?

Can you raise the TV just 1 inch? If so, you could use the RS LCR.
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post #5233 of 9217
5/21/09 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by kwkshift View Post

Can you raise the TV just 1 inch? If so, you could use the RS LCR.

Another good suggestion which, coincidentally, I also happened to think of last night. After careful measuring I see that I'd really only need about 1/2" of additional height. Plywood comes to mind but I'm trying to come up with a better material.
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post #5234 of 9217
5/21/09 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

Another good suggestion which, coincidentally, I also happened to think of last night. After careful measuring I see that I'd really only need about 1/2" of additional height. Plywood comes to mind but I'm trying to come up with a better material.

I was going to suggest yellow pages but plywood cut to same size as the TV stand and painted black where visible should be more pleasant to the eyes.
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post #5235 of 9217
5/22/09 at 3:20am
I think it may have been discussed before, but certainly not to any great extent...How would you describe the difference in sound between the GS10 and the RS6? I've only heard the RS6 and I like it but in what ways will the GS10 improve upon the RS6, or will it?
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post #5236 of 9217
5/22/09 at 3:40am
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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

I think it may have been discussed before, but certainly not to any great extent...How would you describe the difference in sound between the GS10 and the RS6? I've only heard the RS6 and I like it but in what ways will the GS10 improve upon the RS6, or will it?

Go to a dealer and listen to both as different people hear different things.

My own experience going from ALR/Jordan to GS20/10 is what I can only describe as higher resolution. Details I never heard in tracks before are all of a sudden there. Sort of like going from SD to HD TV

I have not listened to the RS series so can't comment on that.
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post #5237 of 9217
5/22/09 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

I hate to break it to ya, but I've owned a ton of speakers, and none of them have changed sound with "break-in". I have never heard the Bronze series, but I do like the Silver, Gold and Radius lines. You may not. The only way to buy speakers is to listen to them first, and to listen to your own music. Just go to your local dealers and make the day of it.


I Liked RS Series but i didn't have enough money so i bought Bronze!

I will certainly get a pair of silver series as soon as poss!

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I Moved Them a bit .... placement helped a little but not entirely happy yet ,,,, i think i should give em 100 hours time and then decide ...

how much is the cheapest price for GS10?

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post #5238 of 9217
5/22/09 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by DaaDaa View Post

Man this sucks .... i just got a pair of BR5's and they Suck Big time ... Paired with Cambridge audio 640 V 2.0 Amp they give me fatigue after one hour .... How much they need to run in?!

i was about to get a pair of RS1 Book shelves. but now i dont know ... what about Gold series? are they worth the extra cash? what about getting pair of PSB's rather than RS1's ... Any suggestions?

Try to get a demo of the RS or GS speakers. I've run RS6's with Cambridge 640C v2 CDP and 640v2 Integrated and experienced listener fatigue like you have. So if you get RS speakers, you may not get rid of the listener fatigue.

Alternatively, try to change electronics and see if the problem goes away.
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post #5239 of 9217
5/22/09 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by biznatch View Post

Try to get a demo of the RS or GS speakers. I've run RS6's with Cambridge 640C v2 CDP and 640v2 Integrated and experienced listener fatigue like you have. So if you get RS speakers, you may not get rid of the listener fatigue.

Alternatively, try to change electronics and see if the problem goes away.

I have the RS6 Silver Left, Center ,and Right with the Onix xls in the Surrounds . I also experienced listener fatigue using my older Yamaha RX-V1200 . I have since upgraded to the Marantz SR5003 with Audessy.
Audessy tamed the harshness quite a bit on the RS6.
It increased the Bass and mids on the RS6 and quite the opposite with the Onix Xls
here are the results.
My room is approximately 10.5' (front to back) 13 'wide and open to the left side
RS6 Left
63Hz=+2
125Hz=+2
250Hz=+3
500Hz= +2
1KHz = 0
2KHz= -2
4KHz = -1
8kHz = -1
16KHz = -7

RS6 Right
63Hz= 0
125Hz= 0
250Hz= +3
500 = +2
1KHz = +1
2KHz = -2
4KHz = 0
8Khz= -1
16Khz= -7

RS6 Center
63 Hz =+1
125Hz =+1
250 HZ= 0
500 Hz = 0
1KHz = 0
2Khz= 0
4Khz = 0
8Khz = 0
16Khz= -4

Onix -xls Surround Right
63 Hz= -1
125Hz= -2
250Hz= -2
500Hz=0
1Khz=0
2Khz= +6
4Khz=0
8Khz= +3
16Khz= +4.

Onix Xls Sorround Left
63Hz=0
125Hz=0
250Hz=0
500Hz=0
1Khz=0
2Khz= +2
4Khz= 0
8Khz= +3
16Khz = +2

I have ran this Auto setup wit the supplied Microphone 3 different times with very similar results .
I am impressed with what Audessy does to the sound overall
My Right speaker is Between my SVS Pb12 plus 2 Sub and the wall so i belive that is why it does not adjust the lower frequencies up like it doers for the left speaker which is next to my audio rack and open to a room on the other side
Also the Back of the right surround is about two inches from the wall and about two inches from the wall on the back side. The surround left is open to a room on the back and about two inches from the wall on the back side


To me this all makes sense and it makes for a very good sounding sytem with Audessy. The Rs6 are known to be Elevated in the Higher frequencies and Audessy does a great job removing that Harshness .
Sorry about my wording , as this could have been written a little more proper and with better coherence but hope fully you can understand it .
I was ready to get new speakers until Audessy came along.
P.S. all of these frequencies can be adjusted for each speaker +9 to - 9 for each Freq and for eacjh speaker with The Marantz. So you can adjust the EQ to your liking.
I hope this helps
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post #5240 of 9217
5/23/09 at 6:33am
Do you use a tripod with Audessy?
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post #5241 of 9217
5/23/09 at 10:07am
It's good idea if you have one. Ideally, you want to have the mic at head level. There's an excellent thread on Audyssey in the receiver/amp/processor forum that has a very useful section on how to set up and run it to best effect.

btw, I have a MA Bronze 5.1 system (actually, the .1 ia an Orb Super 8 sub) and powering it with a Marantz SR 5003 with Audyssey, I do not find the BR-5's to be over bright or fatiguing.

Room acoustics are going to have a HUGE impact on that issue as well.

Rob
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post #5242 of 9217
5/23/09 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by mike2060 View Post

Do you use a tripod with Audessy?

Yes I use a Tripod and in noticed that previously i did not set it exactly where my head would be when sitting on the sofa . The Mic was forward by a foot or so and i wasn't really crazy about the results. But i Reran it several times and made sure that the mike Was as close as possible (front to back and height) as the position of where my head would be . I moved it left to right within six positions but pretty much kept the front to back the same . The left to right movement was still within one seat cushion.
I could not believe the difference it made .
I felt that i had lost detail when i had moved it front to back by as much as a foot or so , but when only moving it left to right for all six calib. positions the detail came back. and now it is Perfect. So i am leaving it alone.
IF the wife and or daughter what a movie with me they will not be sitting in an optimum seat. But they don't care much about the sound anyway . So the Hell with them
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post #5243 of 9217
5/25/09 at 4:41pm
I'm looking to purchase a used pair of GS20's. If you have any to sell, please PM me.
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post #5244 of 9217
5/26/09 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

I think it may have been discussed before, but certainly not to any great extent...How would you describe the difference in sound between the GS10 and the RS6? I've only heard the RS6 and I like it but in what ways will the GS10 improve upon the RS6, or will it?

It's a night and day difference between the GS and RS series. I was all set to go with a full RS set but after hearing the GS, I adjusted my plans and budget to go with GS in the front and upgrade my surrounds later on. They are THAT good

I auditioned other speakers from PSB, Paradigm, Revel, and B&W. But I kept coming back to the MA GS series because nothing else came close in that price range.
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post #5245 of 9217
5/26/09 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by grey9hound View Post

I have the RS6 Silver Left, Center ,and Right with the Onix xls in the Surrounds . I also experienced listener fatigue using my older Yamaha RX-V1200 . I have since upgraded to the Marantz SR5003 with Audessy.
Audessy tamed the harshness quite a bit on the RS6.
It increased the Bass and mids on the RS6 and quite the opposite with the Onix Xls
here are the results.
My room is approximately 10.5' (front to back) 13 'wide and open to the left side
RS6 Left
63Hz=+2
125Hz=+2
250Hz=+3
500Hz= +2
1KHz = 0
2KHz= -2
4KHz = -1
8kHz = -1
16KHz = -7

RS6 Right
63Hz= 0
125Hz= 0
250Hz= +3
500 = +2
1KHz = +1
2KHz = -2
4KHz = 0
8Khz= -1
16Khz= -7

RS6 Center
63 Hz =+1
125Hz =+1
250 HZ= 0
500 Hz = 0
1KHz = 0
2Khz= 0
4Khz = 0
8Khz = 0
16Khz= -4

Onix -xls Surround Right
63 Hz= -1
125Hz= -2
250Hz= -2
500Hz=0
1Khz=0
2Khz= +6
4Khz=0
8Khz= +3
16Khz= +4.

Onix Xls Sorround Left
63Hz=0
125Hz=0
250Hz=0
500Hz=0
1Khz=0
2Khz= +2
4Khz= 0
8Khz= +3
16Khz = +2

I have ran this Auto setup wit the supplied Microphone 3 different times with very similar results .
I am impressed with what Audessy does to the sound overall
My Right speaker is Between my SVS Pb12 plus 2 Sub and the wall so i belive that is why it does not adjust the lower frequencies up like it doers for the left speaker which is next to my audio rack and open to a room on the other side
Also the Back of the right surround is about two inches from the wall and about two inches from the wall on the back side. The surround left is open to a room on the back and about two inches from the wall on the back side


To me this all makes sense and it makes for a very good sounding sytem with Audessy. The Rs6 are known to be Elevated in the Higher frequencies and Audessy does a great job removing that Harshness .
Sorry about my wording , as this could have been written a little more proper and with better coherence but hope fully you can understand it .
I was ready to get new speakers until Audessy came along.
P.S. all of these frequencies can be adjusted for each speaker +9 to - 9 for each Freq and for eacjh speaker with The Marantz. So you can adjust the EQ to your liking.
I hope this helps

Glad its not just me thats experiencing the high end rolloff with Audyssey. The whole time I thought it was my room setup.

Anyway I prefer the smoother sound that Audyssey provides for movies, but sometime I prefer the pure dynamics of direct mode for music.
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post #5246 of 9217
5/26/09 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Glad its not just me thats experiencing the high end rolloff with Audyssey. The whole time I thought it was my room setup.

Anyway I prefer the smoother sound that Audyssey provides for movies, but sometime I prefer the pure dynamics of direct mode for music.

Curious as to what your speakers are . Notice that on The Onix-xls(my surrounds) Audyssey actually increased almost all high frequencies.
So, i do think that it is dependant on the speakers themselves and the room , of course.
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post #5247 of 9217
5/26/09 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by grey9hound View Post

Curious as to what your speakers are . Notice that on The Onix-xls(my surrounds) Audyssey actually increased almost all high frequencies.
So, i do think that it is dependant on the speakers themselves and the room , of course.

I'm running RS6's in the front along with an RSLCR and RS1's in the back. Unfortunately I'm up near the right wall. Along with the speaker plugs, I added room treatments including 2 large panels on the wall (1 at the reflection point), thick window treatments and some homemade corner bass traps and Audyssey still rolls off the highs. Overall I'm happy with what Audyssey does, as it eliminates an annoying bass hump during high volumes, but I only wish I can tune the EQ a bit for music.

One thing to keep in mind, Audyssey is correcting for reference sound levels. I've found that sometimes when I'm listening to "corrected" music in the lower volumes (- 22db), it sounds way too tame because its robbing me of certain frequencies. Inversely, when I'm listening music in "direct" mode it sounds great until I start to crank it up, which then starts to exploit the weakness of my room. My understanding is that Dynamic EQ is supposed to normalize some of that difference, but my Onkyo 805 lacks this feature.
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5/26/09 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

I'm running RS6's in the front along with an RSLCR and RS1's in the back. Unfortunately I'm up near the right wall. Along with the speaker plugs, I added room treatments including 2 large panels on the wall (1 at the reflection point), thick window treatments and some homemade corner bass traps and Audyssey still rolls off the highs. Overall I'm happy with what Audyssey does, as it eliminates an annoying bass hump during high volumes, but I only wish I can tune the EQ a bit for music.

One thing to keep in mind, Audyssey is correcting for reference sound levels. I've found that sometimes when I'm listening to "corrected" music in the lower volumes (- 22db), it sounds way too tame because its robbing me of certain frequencies. Inversely, when I'm listening music in "direct" mode it sounds great until I start to crank it up, which then starts to exploit the weakness of my room. My understanding is that Dynamic EQ is supposed to normalize some of that difference, but my Onkyo 805 lacks this feature.

I agree that it tames too much for low volume especially in the vocals area, But when turned up to at least 75 to 85 db it sounds much better
I also agree that when cranked up without audyssey it becomes too harsh.
You can Manually tune the Eq to your liking. Go to Preset in the Eq and change it to how you like . "Preset" is one of the Eq options as well as "Flat" and "Front". You may well already know all of this
I am Bi-amping the RS6 and on some music , even without the sub the Bass is very prominent
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post #5249 of 9217
5/27/09 at 8:53am
I'm really considering the Monitor Audio Silver series for my 7 channels and I need some help. I've auditioned the SR8's and they easily meet my expectations for sound quality, but I need to know how they would perform at reference level for my home theater in a 22' by 17' room (bass concerns aside). Can anyone tell me if a 7 channel Silver Series setup using SR8 fronts will have the balls to handle sustained reference level for movies in this size room or do I need to consider something else?
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post #5250 of 9217
5/27/09 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by bsavitz View Post

Would there be any center channel speaker that is no higher than 6 1/2" that might blend fairly well with the RS6 or the GS10?
I just don't have the space for a center channel speaker anywhere but in front of the TV and anything over 6 1/2" will start to obstruct the view of the TV.
I want to get the RS6 or G10 but I'm not in a position to change my entire set-up at this time in order to fit a larger center speaker. Am I out of luck?

I'm using the Radius 225 as a center channel with RS6's - and am happy with it. It fits quite nicely in a BDI cabinet.
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