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post #8911 of 10043
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Originally Posted by VMat View Post

+1.
Well put! Amen!
+1. Se você está preocupado com os cabos ching-ling vendidos por metro, pode comprar cabos em rolo fechado, de qualquer fabricante brasileiro conhecido (ex.: Tiaflex, 2x1.5mm2, ~R$250/100m), e se sobrar muito, divida com alguém, ou guarde para um próximo setup.
I picked RCA's AH14100SR (14 AWG or ~2mm2), and they're good enough for me. Around U$0.66/m at Amazon in 30m spools. I guess I would pick them again without any second thoughts. And I'd put the remaining cash on a better AVR, or an external amp, or a more comfortable couch, or a bunch of movies, or whatever.
I don't know why here particularly, but there seems to be a growing trend in Brazil for spending tons of money in speaker cables, power cords, fuses, and all flavors of snake oil. More than in the US, I mean. Maybe it's because there's not much stuff in physical stores around here for us to listen and compare, so most of the time we need to believe in each other's opinions. And we know many people think their expensive speaker cables did make a difference in their systems.
VMat

eu comprei uns cables muito bons e relativamente baratos..... www.calabrine.com ... muito bem feitos ...eu tenho o blackwidow, mas o out ro, qualia, e muito bom tambem ... junto com GX300 ... muito, muito bom ... recomendo ... o blackwidows sao 7AWG, mas sao bem mais caros do que o qualia... os qualia sao suficientemente bons....
post #8912 of 10043
I went listening and was very surprised by the sound coming from the GX200 and couldn't resist taking them (great sound and price aswell cool.gif )

Hooked them up, went through setup and they sound amazing!!

Very happy with the purchase to far biggrin.gif
post #8913 of 10043
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Originally Posted by big_marcelo View Post

I think the 150 should be ok with the GX200 .... what amp do you have to drive it? I have the 350 but I have a dedicated XPA-1 for it .. sounds awesome ad blends in perfectly with the GX300 ..... the cabinet and drivers of the GX350 is a match to the GX300 .... if you watch a lot of movies, and have a good amp for the centre channel ... go for the 350 ... otherwise the 150 should be fine .... big difference in size too .... check your room to see which one has the best WAF .....

I currently have a Anthem MRX500. My plan is to buy a good 3 channel amp for the fronts and let the anthem handle the rear surrounds. I have been looking at ATI, Emotiva, Parasound... I'm leaning toward a ATI 2003

Edit: Pulled the trigger on GX150 and GX200s. Can't wait!
Edited by lilnape2604 - 12/13/12 at 3:14pm
post #8914 of 10043
Hi Guys, I have GS60's and a GSLCR for my fronts (in piano Gloss Black), I had gotten them after they were discontinued second hand for a great price. Problem is, I don't have proper surrounds. I have been unable to find any used GSFX's and was wondering what would pair better with my speakers? The GXFX or the RXFX in case I can't find the matching surrounds.
post #8915 of 10043
Posted this in the Audio Setup Forum, but thought I would also try in the official monitor audio thread. I have the Monitor Audio RS-W12 subwoofer and the sub hums even if no RCA connected. Tried also plugging the sub into my monster power conditioner where amp is plugged into and still hum. Amp has no components connected yet. Any suggestions. Is sub bad? The Sub has a three prong plug.
Thanks,
post #8916 of 10043
Hey guys; is a WTB out of line in here? Thanks
post #8917 of 10043
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Originally Posted by bballgms View Post

how does the 818 compare to the integra? iv heard onkyo has had some heatting issues?? should i not be worried about that?

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Originally Posted by BarracudaDelGato View Post

Here's the AVS owner thread for the 818:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/
I've been following it because I'm keeping an eye on the 818, mainly as the cheapest way to get XT32 room correction. I maybe wrong (and I don't actually own the 818), but I don't remember people complaining about overheating for the new Onkyo models.

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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

I had an Onkyo 805 and never had heating issues or any other issue. I think a lot of users had them enclosed or constricted. Just because a few on the forums complained about them,doesn't mean there weren't thousands sold with no issues.. The 818 rocks,it has a lot more to is than just XT32..


Hi.
I have the Onkyo 818 and RX6 Silver fronts + center + surround. All I can say is that I'm VERY happy, and absolutly NO issues regarding heating or any other problems.
Waiting for my Ken Kreisler DXD 808 Sub now, and then everything will be perfect:)
post #8918 of 10043
hey guys, what center matches the BR6? also are they worth $500?
post #8919 of 10043
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Hey guys; is a WTB out of line in here? Thanks

Awesome; thanks! tongue.gif

I'm interested in a pair of used RX-1s, for my Office system.
post #8920 of 10043
^Totally out of line. This is the Monitor Audio Owners Thread, not the Wanna-Be Monitor Audio Owners Thread!!

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post #8921 of 10043
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Awesome; thanks! tongue.gif
I'm interested in a pair of used RX-1s, for my Office system.

C'mon; one of you RX-1s guys, doesn't want to "upsize". Buy these RX-2s http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=112631.0 and sell me your RX-1s?
post #8922 of 10043
Hi Guys.

I recently bought RX-8s and would like some explanation of what I am experiencing.
I am a total audio noob so any advice is appreciated.

I am running a 2-channel setup with a denon 3313 and moved from Energy RC-70 to RX-8s.
I am feeling that RX-8s are cleaner than RC-70s but what is surprising me is that they appear to have

1. Less bass as compared to RC-70s.
2. They "sound" quieter than the RC-70s if the reciever sound level is kept the same.

Could someone help me understand why is this?
Do I need a separate amp for the RX-8s?
Will I see improvement if I move upto Denon4520?

How will things change if I add a center channel?
Should adding a cheap subwoofer (< 400) make much improvement?

I have a relatively small room but still I dont see that much bass comng out of the RX-8s!!
post #8923 of 10043
If you provided a spec sheet, that would help. My 'guess' as to the level problem is that they are not as sensitive and the 70's. I am not sure about the bass response without some specs.
post #8924 of 10043
I'll help...

Energy RC70

Comparison Specifications

250W RMS power rating
8 ohms nominal impedance, 4 ohms minimum impedance
1" aluminum dome tweeter
5.5" kevlar ribbed elliptical surround midrange
Two 6.5" kevlar ribbed elliptical surround woofers / bass reflex, rear-vented
Crossover: 600Hz, 2.4kHz

Additional Specifications

26Hz usable bass response
Frequency response: 31Hz-23000Hz ± 3 db
Sensitivity: 92dB (anechoic) / 95dB (2 speakers in a typical room)
Included accessories: spike kit, rubber bumpers, high gloss black bass/plinth


Monitor Audio RX8

Frequency response: 32 Hz - 35 kHz
Sensitivity: 90 dB
Nominal impedance: 4 ohms
Power handling: 175 W
Recommended amp power: 50 - 175 W
Maximum SPL (dBA): 116.2
Dimension: 37-13/16" high, 10-13/16" wide, 15-1/4" deep (including plinth and feet)
Weight: 47.88 lbs

The loudness thing is easily explainable, the Energy speakers have a higher sensitivity/efficiency. So you will have to turn up the receiver to get the same volume. Your Denon's Audyssey MultEQ XT should reset the levels if you re-run it. As for bass, the RX8 appears to be similar, but a little less bass capable. Specs on paper are sometimes hard to translate to real life. Maybe the RX8's need to be closer to a wall, etc.?
post #8925 of 10043
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Originally Posted by sufianmunir View Post

Hi Guys.
I recently bought RX-8s and would like some explanation of what I am experiencing.
I am a total audio noob so any advice is appreciated.
I am running a 2-channel setup with a denon 3313 and moved from Energy RC-70 to RX-8s.
I am feeling that RX-8s are cleaner than RC-70s but what is surprising me is that they appear to have
1. Less bass as compared to RC-70s.
2. They "sound" quieter than the RC-70s if the reciever sound level is kept the same.
Could someone help me understand why is this?
Do I need a separate amp for the RX-8s?
Will I see improvement if I move upto Denon4520?
How will things change if I add a center channel?
Should adding a cheap subwoofer (< 400) make much improvement?
I have a relatively small room but still I dont see that much bass comng out of the RX-8s!!

First, yes, adding a sub will help either of these speakers. And if you want to use a center speaker, you really should have a sub, since most center speakers that would match both the RC70 and RX8 do not go very deep.

Looks to me like everything you described is to be expected. Yes, the RX8 are great at accurate mids and highs, so the sound on both music and movies is clear and coherent. But, the the RC70 is a larger tower and would be expected to produce a bit deeper bass. And with respect to sound levels at the same volume setting, the Energy has higher sensitivity, at 92dB, compared to 90dB for the RX8. No matter what receiver you try, the RC70s are going to play a bit louder at the same volume setting than the RX8s. That being said, a lot of Monitor Audio owners do report better audio quality when using a separate amp. I think if you are going to drive your speakers with a receiver, you may do better with the Energys.
post #8926 of 10043
Thanks Mtrot

For the sake of clarification, does the fact that RX8s are 4 ohm vs RC70 being 8 ohm have anything to do with the loudness.

My understanding is lower the ohms, more power is being used up from the 3313 hence the reason RX8s are quieter than the RC-70s.

Also, Any 2-channel amp recommendations by RX-8 owners?
post #8927 of 10043
I have been following this thread for a while and have a question about the MA subs. I have seen it mentioned various times that others are looking for subs outside the MA line.

Why is that? I just pulled the trigger on the gx300 and gx350 set up. I am planning on adding a sub next month. I was planning on the MA gold sub, but would like to know why some of you suggest other subs instead and which ones you suggest.

I will use the set up for music and HT. my biggest complaint about the cheap systems I have had to date is sloppy bass. I have friends that as long as its loud and thumps, it's great. That's not me. I like to hear the individual notes from the bass line clear and clean as well.

Thanks for you suggestions and help.
post #8928 of 10043
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Originally Posted by sufianmunir View Post

Thanks Mtrot
For the sake of clarification, does the fact that RX8s are 4 ohm vs RC70 being 8 ohm have anything to do with the loudness.
My understanding is lower the ohms, more power is being used up from the 3313 hence the reason RX8s are quieter than the RC-70s.
Also, Any 2-channel amp recommendations by RX-8 owners?

No, I think it is the sensitivity rating that determines how loud the speaker will play.
post #8929 of 10043
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Originally Posted by sufianmunir View Post

Thanks Mtrot
For the sake of clarification, does the fact that RX8s are 4 ohm vs RC70 being 8 ohm have anything to do with the loudness.
My understanding is lower the ohms, more power is being used up from the 3313 hence the reason RX8s are quieter than the RC-70s.
Also, Any 2-channel amp recommendations by RX-8 owners?

The 4ohm impedance doesn't have anything to do with the loudness. The lower impedance means that they will draw more current from the amp, and more current means they draw more power. But for a given volume setting on your receiver, it's the speaker sensitivity that determines that how loud they are.

I don't think you need a separate amp with either of these speakers unless you have a really big room and/or crank it really loud.

As for the bass, the RC-70s are a little bigger, with slightly bigger woofers, and probably have more bass. What's more, they're known to emphasize the bass (especially the mid and upper bass) a little bit. That might make them seem like they have even more deep bass than they really produce.
Edited by beaveav - 12/25/12 at 6:30pm
post #8930 of 10043
dmca, the gold subs are probably quite nice, but people on here have generally found you can get a better sub for your money if you go with an ID (internet direct) brand. Unlike other speakers, you don't have to worry about "matching" the sub brand to the brand of the other speakers, so you're free to get whatever gets you the best for the money.

If you want suggestions, many will have good ones here or in the subwoofer forum.
post #8931 of 10043
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Originally Posted by sufianmunir View Post

Hi Guys.
I recently bought RX-8s and would like some explanation of what I am experiencing.
I am a total audio noob so any advice is appreciated.
I am running a 2-channel setup with a denon 3313 and moved from Energy RC-70 to RX-8s.
I am feeling that RX-8s are cleaner than RC-70s but what is surprising me is that they appear to have
1. Less bass as compared to RC-70s.
2. They "sound" quieter than the RC-70s if the reciever sound level is kept the same.
Could someone help me understand why is this?
Do I need a separate amp for the RX-8s?
Will I see improvement if I move upto Denon4520?
How will things change if I add a center channel?
Should adding a cheap subwoofer (< 400) make much improvement?
I have a relatively small room but still I dont see that much bass comng out of the RX-8s!!
I have RX8's paired to my Denon 3312 and I find the bass pretty amazing. I am sure you know the RX8's are dual ported. Are your ports plugged? Also do you have your speakers against the walls? Pulling them away from the wall may help. I also have dual Power sound audio subs, so I really don't notice the bass of the speakers at all. I do occasionally turn the subs off and listen to music in 2ch and as I said I find the RX8's pretty amazing on their own without the help of a sub.
post #8932 of 10043
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Originally Posted by dmca View Post

I have been following this thread for a while and have a question about the MA subs. I have seen it mentioned various times that others are looking for subs outside the MA line.
Why is that? I just pulled the trigger on the gx300 and gx350 set up. I am planning on adding a sub next month. I was planning on the MA gold sub, but would like to know why some of you suggest other subs instead and which ones you suggest.
I will use the set up for music and HT. my biggest complaint about the cheap systems I have had to date is sloppy bass. I have friends that as long as its loud and thumps, it's great. That's not me. I like to hear the individual notes from the bass line clear and clean as well.
Thanks for you suggestions and help.

For the price of MA subs, you can get better performance all-around if you buy internet direct or other means. Actually, for a lot less than the price you will get better performance I would say. Not to crap on MA subs at all ... I have one and it is pretty nice; I just would never have paid $1,399 plus tax for it is all... smile.gif
post #8933 of 10043
What subs do you recommend?

I do have an opportunity to buy the Gold sub for 35% off. Still around 2k USD though. It was sold but after 4 weeks, the buyer upgraded to the platinum line. So it has been used for a month and would be sold as used. Would that be worth it, or can I still do better?

Thanks
post #8934 of 10043
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Originally Posted by dmca View Post

What subs do you recommend?
I do have an opportunity to buy the Gold sub for 35% off. Still around 2k USD though. It was sold but after 4 weeks, the buyer upgraded to the platinum line. So it has been used for a month and would be sold as used. Would that be worth it, or can I still do better?
Thanks

I don't know much about the sub in the Gold series. I suspect it's a good sub, but I'm pretty sure you could do just as well, and probably significantly better, for less money with an ID sub. Check out Rythmik, Hsu Research, SVS. In fact, for 2k - 2.5k you could have a pair of nice ID subs, which would give you the advantage of higher output capability and the possibility of more even frequency response in your room, if set up correctly.
post #8935 of 10043
Thanks for the advice. I will check into those ID subs.

Cheers and Happy Holidays
post #8936 of 10043
WHen I did my research, it would have been a Rythmik Servo. Best thing is to research everything in your budget and compare review & specs. I eventually went with DIY for a LOT less. Now I have 2 of them. Just finished watching TRON. At some parts, it feels like you are getting hit with an energy blast because of the subs..
post #8937 of 10043
^^ Good point on the DIY. You could go entirely DIY if you are comfortable with getting that deep into it. Or if you want to just build the box and not get into the acoustic design, Rythmik will send you their servo amp and drivers. Then you could have a pair of killer subs for well under 2k. I am looking to get new subs soon and that is what I am going to do.
post #8938 of 10043
Hi Reefdvr27

Thanks for your feedback.
Yes, I have the port bungs out, actually based on my readings here I was more worried about mega bass
and using the port bungs but it turned out otherwise.

I have them away from the back wall ~ 1 foot atleast.

Maybe I have been playing the wrong media on them.
I have been mostly watching dish network movies to test out the bass...

and as I said my frame of reference were the RC-70s..

Thanks beaveav for your comments as well.
post #8939 of 10043
caper_1 and bkeeler10,

While I am not afraid of tools, a DIY project of this type is probably out of my comfort zone. I have been looking at Rythmik's website, and their subs look very nice. It looks like they would be very musical subs which is what I am looking for. I am going to put the feelers out in my area to see if I can find one to listen to. Thanks for the recommendations.

caper_1,
I did see in your signature that you have a 12 inch MA sub. How do you like it? My guess is as the 15" I have the chance to buy is used, there will be some wiggle room. Would you still recommend the Rythmik if the MA GX15 was in the same price range ($1500). No idea if I could push that low, but if it was possible, how do you think they would compare?

Thanks
Edited by dmca - 12/26/12 at 11:31pm
post #8940 of 10043
My first woodworking project EVER was a 24" cube with a 12" driver and 2 X 12" passive radiators, plate amp, and internal bracing. I just took my time triple checked everything. It really wasn't hard. Just sorta long since I didn't have a lot of time for each visit to the wood shop. My 2nd sub I flew through. That was my 2nd wood craft smile.gif You see where this is going ?? You can even get flat packs, where all the cutting is done, so I think it is like putting a dresser together from walmart or something. PM sent about the rest.

Here are some links:
SUB #1

SUB #2
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