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post #9001 of 10041
Hi,
I plan to buy a 5.0 setup comprised of Monitor Audio MR2 as fronts, MA MR1 as surrounds and MA MR Centre.
The room is 10x11 feet and they will be powered by Yamaha RX473.
Any of you had heard this setup before? Will the sound be a bit too bright?
Is it ok for music (mostly symphonic, jazz but also rock) or mostly for movies?
post #9002 of 10041
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post #9003 of 10041
I have a chance of getting a pair of GR 60's for less than $2000. Does anybody have any input on how they sound compared to the new line of speakers?
post #9004 of 10041
^Where are you located?

In the US, GR60s should be well below the $2k range, IMO. I've seen the newer GS60s sell around $1500, give or take a couple hundred, so the GR60s should be less than that!
post #9005 of 10041
I live in upstate New York. Any input how these speakers compare to the new gold series?
post #9006 of 10041
Anybody remember these? Monitor Audio MAG-903 purchased in January 1996. Retail price of $2300. Were only made 1 year. Made in England 6 ohms.
post #9007 of 10041
Need some help guys. I found a set of fronts and center rx8's for $1900. I have a large open floorplan with living room, dining room, kitchen, and cathedrial ceilings. I am running a yamaha v673 receiver which puts out 90w per channel. I also have a klipsch rw-12d sub. I am looking at the rx8 thinking the extra driver will be better for my large room. I have heard the rx6's in a demo room but not the rx8. its 50/50 music/home theater. My concerns are:

1 - Would the rx8 be recommended over the 6 for a large room since it has the extra driver?
2 - Bass, I am using a sub so....
a - would the rx8 make a difference over the rx-6?
b - whathifi says rx8 has sloppy bass?
3 - Based on my large room.....
a - should I look for 6" plus drivers?
b - will a 2.5 way fill a large room as good as a 3 way speaker?

Finally, the other option im considering is Dali Zensor 7's. I couldnt tell the difference between a Ikon 7 mk2 and the Zensor 7.

Thanks !!
post #9008 of 10041
Well if your ears hear any sloppy base from the 8's then I would go with the sixes and add a second sub.

It should be fine,







theaudioguy.ca
post #9009 of 10041
The problem is..... i cant audition the rx8's. Only the 6's.
post #9010 of 10041
As far as getting the RX8's you have the advantage of having a large room with high ceilings. Would you be able to get them out from rear & side walls? If so the problems you are anticipating may not be an issue. Putting them up against a wall in a smallish room with low ceilings could be problematic. The RX8's will be able to play loudly in your large room more easily. Good luck.
post #9011 of 10041
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Originally Posted by Maniac2k View Post

The problem is..... i cant audition the rx8's. Only the 6's.

My story is old, so I will make it short and sweet. When I was looking to buy new speakers a few years back, I had every intention of getting some RS6’s, because I thought it was going to be a difference between the RS’s and the new RX’s. I mean, it might have been a slight difference, but I felt it wasn’t going to be enough to spend the difference.

When they demo’ed the RS6’s vs RX6’s, I was amazed, and then when they connected the RS8, and then the RX8’s, there was noway I was buying the RS’s, The RX8’s got me, and they were that much better then the RX6’s.

If you have the dough, get the RX8’s

But, here is the rest of my story, I still didn’t get the RX8’s, I ended up getting the RX2’s.

The way I intended on using my setup, which at the time was 95% movies, I didn’t need the low-end from the 6’s or the 8’s, my subs would be taking care of that end (although I didn’t know which subs I would be using at the time).

With movies you are going to need some nice subs, and the RX2’s will handle that size room you have.

Now, I am 50/50 with movies and music, the Monitor Audio speakers changed that.

Please forgive my next statement, because I am not trying to be mean or rude, but the RX6’s, RX8’s or the RX2’s will put the klipsch sub to shame. I have that sub in my bedroom, and I prefer to listen to music without a sub on my bookshelf speakers compared to with the Klipsch sub.
post #9012 of 10041
Yes, HAMP has long been an advocate for the RX2 if a good sub (or two!) is present. I didn't realize that he had come to the conclusion that the RX8 was a better speaker than the RX6 or that he was close to getting the RX8.

I too have been wondering what to do on this front. For a long time now I have subscribed to the notion that radiating area of a speaker is important. Radiating area must increase dramatically as frequency drops in order to maintain similar distortion characteristics. I learned this from Bill Dudleston of Legacy Audio. All speakers of course have larger woofers than tweeters for this very reason. Legacy Audio takes it very seriously, which is evident as you move up their model line to the bigger (and very expensive!) speakers.

My next system will have very capable subwoofers. So I have seriously considered going to bookshelf speakers to save money. And HAMP's experience with the RX2 was further motivation to do so. However, I always come back to this idea of having lots of radiating area. The RX2 has a single 8" woofer, which will have a radiating area of approximately 201 square inches. That woofer operates from the bottom of its range all the way to the 2 kHz crossover point.

Now, the RX8 has three 6" woofers. Two of them operate from the bottom of the range to the 300 Hz crossover point, and then the third woofer takes over and runs up to the next crossover at 2.2 kHz. So in the bass region the RX8 has a radiating area of 226 square inches, and in the midrange has an additional 113 square inches to work with.

One could argue that the bottom end will be taken care of by the subwoofers, but only up to maybe 80 Hz or so. How about that area between 80 and 300 Hz? The RX8 (all else being equal of course rolleyes.gif) will be more capable than the RX2 even when both have the advantage of a subwoofer filling in the bottom two octaves.

The way I see it, the RX8 has 12% more radiating area between 80 and 300 Hz, and the midrange unit does not have to be bothered with playing those frequencies. The RX2 woofer has less radiating area and must simultaneously play 80-300 Hz and 300-2k Hz. The RX8 "should" sound better and subjectively feel more at ease because it is not working as hard for a given volume level as the RX2 would be.

That's all theory, of course, and it is ignoring some supposed advantages that bookshelf speakers have due to their small size (imaging being one of those). HAMP, did you get the chance to compare the RX2 and the RX8? If so, I'm quite interested in what you thought about them in comparison to each other?

Edit: Oops, looks like the drives in the RX8 are 6", not 6.5" That gives them a radiating area of 113 square inches each, not 132 square inches. So the advantage is not quite as large, but is still there. I've fixed the numbers above.
Edited by bkeeler10 - 1/28/13 at 1:22pm
post #9013 of 10041
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Originally Posted by bkeeler10 View Post

Yes, HAMP has long been an advocate for the RX2 if a good sub (or two!) is present. I didn't realize that he had come to the conclusion that the RX8 was a better speaker than the RX6 or that he was close to getting the RX8.

I too have been wondering what to do on this front. For a long time now I have subscribed to the notion that radiating area of a speaker is important. Radiating area must increase dramatically as frequency drops in order to maintain similar distortion characteristics. I learned this from Bill Dudleston of Legacy Audio. All speakers of course have larger woofers than tweeters for this very reason. Legacy Audio takes it very seriously, which is evident as you move up their model line to the bigger (and very expensive!) speakers.

My next system will have very capable subwoofers. So I have seriously considered going to bookshelf speakers to save money. And HAMP's experience with the RX2 was further motivation to do so. However, I always come back to this idea of having lots of radiating area. The RX2 has a single 8" woofer, which will have a radiating area of approximately 201 square inches. That woofer operates from the bottom of its range all the way to the 2 kHz crossover point.

Now, the RX8 has three 6" woofers. Two of them operate from the bottom of the range to the 300 Hz crossover point, and then the third woofer takes over and runs up to the next crossover at 2.2 kHz. So in the bass region the RX8 has a radiating area of 226 square inches, and in the midrange has an additional 113 square inches to work with.

One could argue that the bottom end will be taken care of by the subwoofers, but only up to maybe 80 Hz or so. How about that area between 80 and 300 Hz? The RX8 (all else being equal of course rolleyes.gif) will be more capable than the RX2 even when both have the advantage of a subwoofer filling in the bottom two octaves.

The way I see it, the RX8 has 12% more radiating area between 80 and 300 Hz, and the midrange unit does not have to be bothered with playing those frequencies. The RX2 woofer has less radiating area and must simultaneously play 80-300 Hz and 300-2k Hz. The RX8 "should" sound better and subjectively feel more at ease because it is not working as hard for a given volume level as the RX2 would be.

That's all theory, of course, and it is ignoring some supposed advantages that bookshelf speakers have due to their small size (imaging being one of those). HAMP, did you get the chance to compare the RX2 and the RX8? If so, I'm quite interested in what you thought about them in comparison to each other?

Good points specifically about that lower frequency range above 80 hx

The larger speakers will have a fuller sound that the bookshelves won't dip to
And much more accurate then most subs,not all.

Don't monitor come with sponge for ports if bass sounds muddy.
I've used them in the past they're fine.
Tough though to buy blindly maybe local guy has rx8's to audition.

Enjoy & good luck.

Edit: Oops, looks like the drives in the RX8 are 6", not 6.5" That gives them a radiating area of 113 square inches each, not 132 square inches. So the advantage is not quite as large, but is still there. I've fixed the numbers above.
post #9014 of 10041
bkeeler, check your math again. area=pi*r(squared). r is radius, half of diameter. you are using diameter.

Also, the RX8 is a true 3-way, isn't it? Monitor Audio's literature describes it as so, but it's not entirely clear.
Edited by beaveav - 1/28/13 at 3:56pm
post #9015 of 10041
Appreciate the info. I think i will get the rx8's and risk paying the return shipping if they dont work out.
post #9016 of 10041
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

bkeeler, check your math again. area=pi*r(squared). r is radius, half of diameter. you are using diameter.

Also, the RX8 is a true 3-way, isn't it? Monitor Audio's literature describes it as so, but it's not entirely clear.

Yep, you're right. For some reason I had it in my head that the area of a circle was (4)(pi)(r squared), but that's actually the surface area of a sphere. I did use the radius in my calculations though, so just divide the numbers above by 4. It's funny, because I had a brief moment there while typing the post that it didn't seem possible for there to be 201 square inches of area on an 8" cone. I guess the light bulb should have gone on then . . .

I'm nearly certain that the RX8 is a three-way (versus the RX6 which is a "2.5" way). If you'll look at the specs for the RX6 and RX8 on the MA website, notice that the way they express the crossover frequencies is different. On the RX6 it is: LF: 700 Hz; MF/HF: 2.7 kHz. Whereas on the RX8 it says LF/MF: 300 Hz; MF/HF: 2.2 kHz. Meaning that both of the RX6 woofers play up to 700 Hz, at which point one woofer is high-passed, and the other is allowed to play the rest of the midrange up to 2.7 kHz. But the midrange unit of the RX8 never sees anything below 300 Hz (except within the slope of the crossover of course). The specs on the website also specify the RX8 as a 3-way and the RX6 as a 2.5 way. This is another advantage (potentially) for the RX8, IMO.
post #9017 of 10041
Yes, the RX8 appears to be a true 3-way. That was what I was getting at. The advantage - the theoretical advantage - is that the midrange is a dedicated mid, unlike in the RX6 where it pulls double duty as a bass/mid driver. So the RX8 should have cleaner mids, especially with bass heavy content (less intermod distortion). The RX8 cabinet is deeper so they tuned the two woofers a little lower than the RX6, I believe.

The cone area for the RX2 is 16pi.
The cone area for the RX8 is 18pi.
Not a huge difference, but possibly slightly less THD in the mid- and upper-bass for the RX8 compared to the RX2.

Then there's also the advantage of a smaller driver crossing over to the tweeter. The RX2's driver will start to beam earlier than the RX8's smaller midrange.
Note that Monitor Audio lowered the crossover for the RX2 to 2.0kHz, probably because of that very reason.
But that means slightly more stress on the tweeter, because you're asking it to play lower in the RX2 than in the RX8.

So, in theory, the RX8 wins in every way, except for two realities: Price, and Size.
No question the RX2 wins there.

If the RX8 bass is overbearing, plugging a port will likely help. Measurements I've seen on it show a bass hump around 80Hz with ports open, but a pretty good bass response with one port closed.
post #9018 of 10041
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniac2k View Post

Appreciate the info. I think i will get the rx8's and risk paying the return shipping if they dont work out.

What's the cost of returning them? How long do you have before you have to return them?

This might be really beneficial to you -- you get to take the speakers through an extended "test drive" in the exact location where the speakers will be used. Every speaker (and every room, for that matter) has its own acoustic signature. The reality is that you never know if something is truly ideal (i.e., aurally pleasing) until you try it. With the speakers in your space, you can make the final call if they are worth the expenditure.

Hopefully, you will have sufficient time to test them. I am entering month 5 with my speakers and can say that they get better over time. I find that they are better now than they were when I got them (and they are better at hour 10 of a listening session than they are at minute 1). Make sure you consider that too.
post #9019 of 10041
Folks, as good gesture and favor to potential MA owners out there, I know of an authorized MA dealer that accidentally ordered a GXC350 in Piano Black Lacquer for a project, when he should have ordered the smaller GXC150; so this brand new GXC350 in Piano Black Lacquer is now availalbe for sale at a substantial savings below retail. This is a great opportunity for anyone to purchase this brand new speaker at a great price, and save money at it. If anyone is interested, please PM me for contact information for this dealer. Thanks.
post #9020 of 10041
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniac2k View Post

Need some help guys. I found a set of fronts and center rx8's for $1900. I have a large open floorplan with living room, dining room, kitchen, and cathedrial ceilings. I am running a yamaha v673 receiver which puts out 90w per channel. I also have a klipsch rw-12d sub. I am looking at the rx8 thinking the extra driver will be better for my large room. I have heard the rx6's in a demo room but not the rx8. its 50/50 music/home theater. My concerns are:

1 - Would the rx8 be recommended over the 6 for a large room since it has the extra driver?
2 - Bass, I am using a sub so....
a - would the rx8 make a difference over the rx-6?
b - whathifi says rx8 has sloppy bass?
3 - Based on my large room.....
a - should I look for 6" plus drivers?
b - will a 2.5 way fill a large room as good as a 3 way speaker?

Finally, the other option im considering is Dali Zensor 7's. I couldnt tell the difference between a Ikon 7 mk2 and the Zensor 7.

Thanks !!
I don't know what they are referring to sloppy bass. I find the bass to be excellent. However I mainly use mine for HT and I have dual PSA XV-30's so I really do not hear the bass from the speakers alone, but I some times listen to music in 2ch with the subs off and I find the bass to very deep for what they are. One thing to remember about critics is that they listen to lots of speakers, sloppy bass to them is not sloppy bass to me. For what they are, they are nice speakers, I enjoy the brighter side of the speakers. $1900 is a great price, almost like getting the center free. I think you would be quite happy with the RX8.
Edited by Reefdvr27 - 1/30/13 at 11:39am
post #9021 of 10041
Quote:
Originally Posted by addictaudio View Post

Folks, as good gesture and favor to potential MA owners out there, I know of an authorized MA dealer that accidentally ordered a GXC350 in Piano Black Lacquer for a project, when he should have ordered the smaller GXC150; so this brand new GXC350 in Piano Black Lacquer is now availalbe for sale at a substantial savings below retail. This is a great opportunity for anyone to purchase this brand new speaker at a great price, and save money at it. If anyone is interested, please PM me for contact information for this dealer. Thanks.

^^^Just to make sure that no one from the evening crew misses this.smile.gif
post #9022 of 10041
looking at buying some BX6s can anybody recommend these speakers?........will be using them with an ARCAM FMJ19 and AUDIOLAB 3200 CD player.Room is not huge....about 14ft by 12ft........

The other speakers i am considering are the TANNOY REVOLUTION DC6T s.

Any advice would be appreciated thanks.....
post #9023 of 10041
Sure bx6 for sure.
I've used and install both very nice for the money.
Can you not audition them?






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post #9024 of 10041
thanks....yes i will be checking both pairs out.....just waiting for them to get the Arcam amp back in stock.....
post #9025 of 10041
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Originally Posted by jaffaman View Post

thanks....yes i will be checking both pairs out.....just waiting for them to get the Arcam amp back in stock.....

Arcam integrated amps are nice stuff, but I feel they're overpriced for what you get. You might get a better system by spending less on the amp and cd player and more on the speakers.
post #9026 of 10041
Hi,

I have the opportunity to switch from Monitor Audio RS8 to RX8 (with some work) for about 223 EUR. It it worth it?

Im happy with the RS8 but I dont want to lose a "great?" opportunity.
post #9027 of 10041
Quote:
Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

Arcam integrated amps are nice stuff, but I feel they're overpriced for what you get. You might get a better system by spending less on the amp and cd player and more on the speakers.

Agreed. I have the BX5's and a Yamaha A-S500. If I had some extra cash when I bought them, I would have gone with the RX6's, and the same amp.

However, for the price I paid, I'm very happy with the BX5's.

VMat
post #9028 of 10041
Quote:
Originally Posted by snowjim View Post

Hi,

I have the opportunity to switch from Monitor Audio RS8 to RX8 (with some work) for about 223 EUR. It it worth it?

Im happy with the RS8 but I dont want to lose a "great?" opportunity.


I can't speak from personal experience as I've not heard the RS8, but I am aware of one reviewer who was of the opinion that the RX is a substantial jump in quality over the RS. Chris Martens of The Absolute Sound said, " For those of you familiar with the promising yet flawed sound of Monitor’s earlier-generation Silver RS models, let me assert that the Silver RX8s have taken giant steps forward; they dramatically outperform their predecessors."

Also, regarding the RS6 versus the RX6, Robert Reina of Stereophile said the following: " . . . I was intrigued by Monitor's statement that in the Silver RX6 they'd eliminated the RS6's slight peak at 11kHz. Sure enough, as I switched back and forth between the RX6 and RS6, I noted that the RX6 had more natural and realistic highs. Sibilants were more prominent through the RS6, and could be a bit brash in highly modulated passages, but not through the RX6. However, in all other areas—bass to midrange timbres, detail, transient articulation, ambience retrieval, soundstaging, dynamics—the RS6 and RX6 were virtually identical."

FWIW.
post #9029 of 10041
Quick question:

I just got a set of new RX2 speakers. The MA manual which came with them (same as the one online) seems to focus exclusively on the RX-FX speakers. There's nothing but a single blurb about my RX2 models. There is a loose page which talks about re-torquing the driver screw ONCE the speakers have been broken in. But...there is exactly zero information on what they suggest for that break-in procedure. Of course, I'm just listening to the speakers, and enjoying them. But I'm still curious what other owners might suggest for the initial bedding-in period?

Thanks.
post #9030 of 10041
Already got the cd player.....had it a couple of years.....been using it with a Yamaha home cinema amp in a home cinema set up....l now want to get back to a proper
hifi system in a separate room.....the price of the amp is not really a problem i just want something for about £600 to £700 max that will work well with the CD player
and the speakers i have in mind.....the MONITOR AUDIO BX6s.
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