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post #9061 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Barrok View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

the true hurts i guess... not racist at all.. jap recievers or avrs are so way overated in there power outputs its a massive joke.. they should all have hungry american lawyers go after there asses to put
up the real numbers.. not the numbers for marketing..

some how 1 channel driven at 110 w now is 7 channels at 110 watts.. no way.. 770 watt avr.. on the back in north america will have mandatory electrical rating max watt 400...perico

how the hell can you get 770 watts from 400 watts.. IMPOSSIBLE avr create electricity energy crisis solved LOL>.

dream on buddy..

Ok... Since home theater magazine tested it at 111 watts into 5 channels but what ever, you are an obvious troll.

well home theater mag is a big advertiser of these product so guess they dont want to bite the hand that feeds em eh...

tested what by the way LOL..
post #9062 of 10036
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Originally Posted by DJHuuE View Post

Had the smart idea of djing with a set of my old monitor BR1's and totally blew up the low end frequencies (the little that it had already). So went down to the local hifi shop and demo'ed a pair of BX2's and they sound amazing for how much they cost. They even sounded better than the RX1's! (perhaps comparing apples to oranges here?) They will be coming in next week since they did not have the walnut color in stock at the time. I currently own a 2 channel NAD C 316BEE amp to pair up with these.

My question is my amp sufficient? It's rated at 40 rms and the BX2's reccomend 30-100 rms. Anyone have experience with this? This will be for 2 channel listening to music. Thanks!

Depends on how big your room is and how loud you listen. Most of the time people don't use more than a few watts, even for fairly loud listening. But in a big room, with loud levels, peaks can get to really high wattage pretty easily.

In a small to medium size room, at moderate listening levels, you're probably fine. NAD tends to be conservative in their power ratings, meaning the amp can do more than they rate it at, especially for short peaks.

The best advice would be not to turn it up too loud, and if you hear strain or distortion, turn it down immediately.
post #9063 of 10036
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Originally Posted by Luca42 View Post

I have a GX300/GXC350 setup. I did the blind test (as you mentioned) of many speakers and ended up with GX300s, which I had NOT sampled. My last audition was with the GX200s and the PL200s. Personally, I could not discern a major difference justifying the cost difference (between the GX200 and PL200), so I opted for the GX300, even though I had not heard them. I have been very satisfied.

Thanks for your response, but I should clarify. I was intending to buy a new Yamaha AVR to use with these speakers (I've had one since '98 and it's been great), but the newest Aventage (at the time, the 3020) had not been released. I could wait or look at alternatives. The salesman recommended Anthem and other pre/pro combinations. I opted for a McIntosh setup, using the MC205 to power my setup. I have no issues personally.

My limited question was directed towards something I read on another website where users sell high end equipment. A guy there had our speakers (GX300/350s) that he'd purchased at the end of 2012. (I wish I could find the post now, but he must have sold the speakers.) Simply put, he loved the speakers but he noted an aural difference when using a dedicated amp versus an AVR. Since I didn't get to ask him, I thought I'd ask here. Has anyone done this and noted a difference? I'm sure that independently, they sound great, but I'd love to know if anyone has made that direct comparison.

Lots of people say they hear a difference when they switch to a dedicated amp, but the question is this: Is there really a difference or do they hear one because they expect to hear one. Unless these comparisons are done scientifically, they're often misleading. People might not match the levels correctly. People might hear more detail with the amp because they listen closer - because they're expecting to hear more detail. Match the levels and blindfold the listener, and suddenly they can't pick which is which (amp or AVR) anymore.

In general, unless you need the extra power that you can get from separates, your AVR should be fine.
post #9064 of 10036
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

Lots of people say they hear a difference when they switch to a dedicated amp, but the question is this: Is there really a difference or do they hear one because they expect to hear one. Unless these comparisons are done scientifically, they're often misleading. People might not match the levels correctly. People might hear more detail with the amp because they listen closer - because they're expecting to hear more detail. Match the levels and blindfold the listener, and suddenly they can't pick which is which (amp or AVR) anymore.

In general, unless you need the extra power that you can get from separates, your AVR should be fine.

thanks beaveav. i guess in the quest for the purest and most authentic sound, people will always point to one source or another for the origin of distortion (i.e., cables, speaker wire, purity of power, interference between components, etc.) I agree with you that perhaps our collective nature gets in the way -- in extracting the best sound by improving the quality of each component, it's natural to wonder if we are missing something (clarity, detail, imaging) and that any issues will be fixed by changing that input. The main lesson is understanding that if you operate these speakers within their tolerances, you are going to hear amazing things.
post #9065 of 10036
BX6 OR RX6 that is the question?? i have just changed my mind and am thinking of going for the RX6 rather than the BX6.
Im going to be using a ARCAM FMJ A19 amp with a AUDIOLAB CD 8200 cd player.Does this set up make sense if i can get the extra cash for the RX6s instead of the BX6s??

Thanks in advance..
post #9066 of 10036
I'm not sure i understand the last couple of posts.

Are you saying all Amps sound the same?
Avr or separates?

Are you saying a tube amp like I own(primaluna or Cary) is not gonna sound different then a solid state avr?

A mark levinson (over$10,000) high end amp is not gonna sound better then a Nad or Yamaha amp etc?

You lost me here TOTALLY disagree!
post #9067 of 10036
Jaffaman sorry got a little side swiped,
I'm also waiting a pair myself.(black lacquer)
Rx6 I've installed bx6 too recently but there clearly is a step up with the rx6 but the bx6 also agreed with my listening juices nicely.


But there's something I can't put my finger on about the rx line that's so satisfying to listen to for extended periods of time.
And I find myself wanting to listen to them more when I walk in to store and there on as demos.

Should sound great with your Avgear .

Beautiful, nice highs midrange prefect tone tweeter not bright at all.
Again RX6 highly recommended.




theaudioguy.ca
post #9068 of 10036
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Originally Posted by vm8444 View Post

Jaffaman sorry got a little side swiped,
I'm also waiting a pair myself.(black lacquer)
Rx6 I've installed bx6 too recently but there clearly is a step up with the rx6 but the bx6 also agreed with my listening juices nicely.


But there's something I can't put my finger on about the rx line that's so satisfying to listen to for extended periods of time.
And I find myself wanting to listen to them more when I walk in to store and there on as demos.

Should sound great with your Avgear .

Beautiful, nice highs midrange prefect tone tweeter not bright at all.
Again RX6 highly recommended.




theaudioguy.ca

Hey thanks.....it really is killing me all this trying to decide which speakers to go for....this set up will be my last one so i have to make it count...the RX6s seem to be
the way to go....
post #9069 of 10036
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Originally Posted by vm8444 View Post

I'm not sure i understand the last couple of posts.

Are you saying all Amps sound the same?
Avr or separates?

Are you saying a tube amp like I own(primaluna or Cary) is not gonna sound different then a solid state avr?

A mark levinson (over$10,000) high end amp is not gonna sound better then a Nad or Yamaha amp etc?

You lost me here TOTALLY disagree!

I have a Yamaha home cinema amp and my Audiolab cd 8200 is connected to it......BUT the whole set up including speaker positioning ect is for home cinema viewing....
so i have decided to build a separate hifi system in another room with a new amp (Arcam FMJ AI9)..to use my Audiolab with and hopefully a pair of RX6s..I do not believe (personally) that a home cinema set up can
be as good as a dedicated hifi set up....but that's just me of course...
post #9070 of 10036
I guess posts that are "bickering" get removed because it makes AVS look bad,
but posts using derogatory, racist language are tolerated.
At least now I know.
post #9071 of 10036
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Originally Posted by vm8444 View Post

Jaffaman sorry got a little side swiped,
I'm also waiting a pair myself.(black lacquer)
Rx6 I've installed bx6 too recently but there clearly is a step up with the rx6 but the bx6 also agreed with my listening juices nicely.


But there's something I can't put my finger on about the rx line that's so satisfying to listen to for extended periods of time.
And I find myself wanting to listen to them more when I walk in to store and there on as demos.

Should sound great with your Avgear .

Beautiful, nice highs midrange prefect tone tweeter not bright at all.
Again RX6 highly recommended.




theaudioguy.ca

i found the rx8 to be muddy in the mid range...
post #9072 of 10036
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

I guess posts that are "bickering" get removed because it makes AVS look bad,
but posts using derogatory, are tolerated.
At least now I know.

what reciever was made in japan that your yaking about?
post #9073 of 10036
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i found the rx8 to be muddy in the mid range...

are you talking about the RX8s? or the RX6s? im talking about the RX6s.........
post #9074 of 10036
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Originally Posted by jaffaman View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i found the rx8 to be muddy in the mid range...

are you talking about the RX8s? or the RX6s? im talking about the RX6s.........

rx8s..

cheers
post #9075 of 10036
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

rx8s..

cheers

looks like im opting for the RX6s rather than the BX6s im sure the extra layout will be worth it......
post #9076 of 10036
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Originally Posted by jaffaman View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

rx8s..

cheers

looks like im opting for the RX6s rather than the BX6s im sure the extra layout will be worth it......

i would listen to some paradigms ref studio 60 before you buy..
post #9077 of 10036
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i would listen to some paradigms ref studio 60 before you buy..

So he's stretching his budget to consider the RX6 - and you're recommending a speaker that's twice the price?

Why not just go ahead and recommend the Wilson Audio Alexandrias? rolleyes.gif
post #9078 of 10036
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

So he's stretching his budget to consider the RX6 - and you're recommending a speaker that's twice the price?

Why not just go ahead and recommend the Wilson Audio Alexandrias? rolleyes.gif

Try some Magico Q7's. They're cheap compared to the Wilson's! eek.gif
post #9079 of 10036
Hi, please tell me if a Yamaha RX-673 receiver is powerful enough to well drive a MA BX2/Bx Centre/BXFX setup.
The receiver has these specifications: "90W per channel (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.09% THD, 2ch driven)
105W per channel (8 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9% THD, 2ch driven)" - while the MA BX2 has recommended minimum amp power 30W.

I am aware the more channels driven, the lower wattage the receiver will be able to drive. In addition, this receiver draws maximum 330 w (power consumption). For some reason the North American version of RX-673 draws 400 W, as compared to only 330 W for the European version.

The room is small (13.5 square metres, or 11x10 feet) and I will listen only at low/moderate levels, 50/50 movies/music (mostly symphonic, jazz, but also some rock).
Most of the music will be multichannel recordings - as I know AV receivers are not so good for stereo music (at least not RX-673)

Actually I am wondering if I should prefer this MA setup, to a Tannoy Mercury V1/VC/VR one. They say the MA's are better sounding...but the Tannoys have only 10 W minimum recommended amp. power - so wouldnt they be a better fit for the (not so powerful) Yamaha RX-673?

Let me add that there is no chance for me to listen to the speakers prior to buying them.

Thanks!
Edited by alexandru27 - 2/10/13 at 11:19pm
post #9080 of 10036
Do you already have the amp? I have the 863 version, which is 105W version. I am pushing speakers that are 8 ohm, "92 dB" sensitivity. I rarely go into the minus teens on the MCV, and the unit will go to +16.5 I think. If you listen to anything close to 0, you will be losing hearing in hurry I would imagine (rock/metal). I am curious as to why you are asking?
post #9081 of 10036
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Originally Posted by alexandru27 View Post

Hi, please tell me if a Yamaha RX-673 receiver is powerful enough to well drive a MA BX2/Bx Centre/BXFX setup.
...
The room is small (13.5 square metres, or 11x10 feet) and I will listen only at low/moderate levels, 50/50 movies/music (mostly symphonic, jazz, but also some rock).
Most of the music will be multichannel recordings - as I know AV receivers are not so good for stereo music (at least not RX-673)
...

Thanks!

With a small room and low/moderate listening levels, you should have no problems at all.
post #9082 of 10036
Hi guys,

I have lx 85 (eu version of sc 57) and rx6 right now. Yesterday, I bought a pair of rx8. However, my avr does not support 4ohm speakers. May this situation be a problem? Does it damage my amp?

My listening level is mostly around -15 dB.
post #9083 of 10036
^You're probably OK. The impedance of the RX8 is only a little lower than the RX6, and mostly in the highs. So it's not all that significantly more difficult a load. What's more, I think the RX8 is supposedly slighly more sensitive, so that mitigates some of the issue.

Just be aware of your AVR getting hot, shutting down, etc. Make sure it's well-ventilated.
post #9084 of 10036
How do the s50's handle 2 channel audio

I was thinking about picking up a pair and using them with a SVS SB-12-NSD in a foyer / louge area which will mainly be used for music / bar, but could get a bit of 2 channel sound for the tv versus using the sound in the tv for the bar area

I like these because of the size of them and where I can place them, also they are something I would use in the future versus going with something like a sonos play 5 pair and sub, which is not exactly the same price, but I do not mind paying more for the flexibility of using them in the future
post #9085 of 10036
About 2- channel plus sub setup
I think amp or surround reciever matters regarding options for hooking up this setup.
post #9086 of 10036
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Originally Posted by vm8444 View Post

About 2- channel plus sub setup
I think amp or surround reciever matters regarding options for hooking up this setup.

Do the Shadow's take a lot of power to push or is there something uinque about the way they are made that makes them different than a normal speaker set up?
post #9087 of 10036
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Originally Posted by sezgin90 View Post

Hi guys,

I have lx 85 (eu version of sc 57) and rx6 right now. Yesterday, I bought a pair of rx8. However, my avr does not support 4ohm speakers. May this situation be a problem? Does it damage my amp?

My listening level is mostly around -15 dB.

check out some emotiva amps..

yes you will damage you avr...

cheers
post #9088 of 10036
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

check out some emotiva amps..

yes you will damage you avr...

cheers

Got any links or info to back that up, deltadube?
post #9089 of 10036
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

Got any links or info to back that up, deltadube?

He can't back that up. Too many people using the higher end Elite's to run higher end speakers. My receiver has had no problems (SC-25) running my GX's. The only thing I would check is too make sure it isn't overheating but receivers have built in mechanisms to turn off if they reach an unsafe temp anyway.

Can look at this to get an idea on the power that receiver has: http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-elite-sc-57-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures
post #9090 of 10036
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

check out some emotiva amps..

yes you will damage you avr...

cheers

Got any links or info to back that up, deltadube?

nope but the sales rep at the high end audio store said my denon may not have a enough juice to run the rx8 when it dips below 4 ohms and it could be damaged..

hey some of the emotiva amps just went back on sale good way not to run into any problems the xpa 3 is on sale 200 w into 8ohm and 300 w into 4 ohms..

that would fix himup good for only 599..
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