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post #9481 of 10043
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Originally Posted by tidwelr1 View Post

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i have a marantz sr7005 that I really like and it only cost me $899 at acc for less. I bought it earlier in the year. Of those choices, the denon 4000 has the latest audessey room correction technology that everyone is raving about. If money is no object, most on here would probably say to get that one. The marantz is supposed to be somewhat "warmer" sounding especially on music and i tend to agree compared to my old top of the line yamaha receiver. However, many on here will tell you there's no difference bw amps all things being equal. Some people have said they've compared both doing a/b switching and swore the marantz sounded warmer and/or helps to take the edge off somewhat due to the use of their HDAM technology. Many have said as well that MA and marantz are a good "pairing". With that said, the denon has the most sophisticated room correction technology. I've never heard the denon receivers, but I really like my marantz. I'm actually looking at the exact same subs as you. I have an older paradigm sub I'm looking to replace and I've been leaning towards the same SVS sub you're looking at. It's actually more comparable to the bigger hsu 15h sub that is $300 more based on reviews. I'm not crazy about the metal grill though. PSA is the one unjust came across the other night; I'm wondering what difference it makes to have the woofer firing out instead of down. Still do the research on that. Also, i'm trying to determine if 2 svs pb1000s would be better than one 12 NSd. Hope all that helps. Acc for less.com is great for getting a good deal on receivers as well. You might be able to get the new marantz 7008 at a discounted price there. Congrats on the new speakers!

Thanks again. I have heard a lot of good things about Marantz and Denon and I might end up getting the one that is cheaper smile.gif since they are very close to one another in terms of specs. Of course Denon's Audyssey is one thing that I need to look at. I also like the Yamaha Aventage series, but not sure if that would be a good pairing with MA.

I am not sure if I will have room for two subs, so currently I am leaning towards the SVS PB12NSD for their superior warranty over the other two. I am not sure if I can make out any difference between HSU or SVS smile.gif I did a lot of online searching and the reviews are pretty much even.

I just started a new thread in the speakers forum for sub and receiver recommendations so that others can give their inputs. Thanks a ton for your help again. You helped me find an awesome deal today! Very excited smile.gif
post #9482 of 10043
I use my rx8s with a x4000 and hsu vtf 3.3 (older version). Great combo!
post #9483 of 10043
I just started a new thread in the speakers forum for sub and receiver recommendations so that others can give their inputs. Thanks a ton for your help again. You helped me find an awesome deal today! Very excited smile.gif[/quote]Glad everything worked out on the speakers. You definitely got a good deal. Let us know what you think when you get them and have everything setup. As many have posted before, the official audessey thread is really helpful making sure you have your new receiver setup properly. Taking the time to do the measurements the right way with a tripod makes a difference. Having the "offset" set correctly based on the source is also really important. You'll get into that later once you get the new receiver.
post #9484 of 10043
My Home Theater... It used to be all B&W with CM5, CM1's and CMC, but i felt in love with the MA GX line, cause they look and sound much better, so i changed everything... Help and tips are always welcome...







Sorry for the quality of the cellphone pictures.
post #9485 of 10043
^^^^ nice!
post #9486 of 10043
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Originally Posted by waynezz View Post

WOW!! getting a deal fom them is tough. I know Jeff for over 20 years. when i was looking a few months back he gave me a price of 2000 for the same setup (new). So, since it was from them you did get a good deal. as i said, i'm cursed with the black lacquer. sort of.. very pretty and wife-acceptable but hard to find now..
for rears, i will go with the RX-FX in gloss if I can ever find them... but they are about 850 list
so i gotta wait. i had to hide the rx centre from my wife and tell her to wrap it up
for me as my xmas gift :-)

I'll likely end up with either bronze fx's or silver fx's in black oak. I can't wall mount them (wife again) so i'll need them on stands. I may have a chance of getting in-wall rears and paint the grills to match the wall and that may satisfy her.
When you see Jeff & Tim?, tell them Wayne said hi.

 

 

A heads up for everyone still looking for rears. I just noticed the Silver RXFXs dropped to $549 new, and with free shipping, over at audioadvisor.com. The finish options are walnut and black oak. I pulled the trigger on these as it was a better deal than what my local dealer was willing to give for a set of demo rears. 

 

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Monitor-Audio-Silver-RX-FX-3-Driver-Surround-Speakers/productinfo/MRSRXFX%20%20%20PBLKOAK/#.UnqI7fkdS8o

 

Sorry Wayne, I was back the other day and forgot to say hi for ya. The guys looked pretty busy. 

post #9487 of 10043
i ended up with a pair of RX-1's in black piano for the backs (600 delivered). sat audio has a similar deal on the RXFX but they only want to sell in packages. i was able to get th RX1's by themselves. i talked with matt at MA and he stated i would be fine with them in my room situation if i put them on stands. I read a recommendation for Sanus Steel Foundations Mark 4 as a reasonable pair of stands. just in case you need stands for the RXFX. Enjoy the
post #9488 of 10043
I have a question/dilemma. I recently picked up a pair of Silver RX6 for another room, I already have a 7.1 system in my dedicated HT. I was thinking maybe I will swap the front speakers in the HT one day with the MAs. Now they have a closeout and I have a chance to pick up a rx center at a good price. Should I go ahead and get it? I would think so because I am not sure I can get a matching center for the rx6 later especially at this price.
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$499 and free shipping is really good price on the center. I bought my demo unit for $540 +tax just a month ago. 

 

It all comes down to peace of mind - you can get it now at a good price, and not worry about it again. Or, if you decide to switch your HT speakers, you may have to wait for someone to decide to sell one used once the stock is out. 

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Quick Question on those using RX6 for 2-channel listening - Did you add a sub? For music sources will there be a big benefit in adding a sub or can the RX6 do an adequate job?
post #9491 of 10043
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Originally Posted by gravi View Post

Quick Question on those using RX6 for 2-channel listening - Did you add a sub? For music sources will there be a big benefit in adding a sub or can the RX6 do an adequate job?
It's really personal preference, but I like using them with the sub. I auditioned them w/o a sub, and purchased them based on how they sounded by themselves. However, I usually listen to music in "party mode" where the entire 5.1 setup is playing. I think 2.1 sounds pretty good as well. A good sub can definitely be beneficial but its not a necessity for the RX6s.
post #9492 of 10043
@ tidwelr1
I’m a little surprised to read that you use a sub with your RX6’s. I kinda understand it when you say with your 5.1 setup and having all speakers going, then I understand that fully, but with just 2channel there is no need.
I guess I only say that because with my RX2’s, I do not use my subs and only the bookshelf speakers and they sound wonderful. Only time I use the subs, is when I decided to go all speakers, which is very rare.

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Originally Posted by gravi View Post

Quick Question on those using RX6 for 2-channel listening - Did you add a sub? For music sources will there be a big benefit in adding a sub or can the RX6 do an adequate job?
post #9493 of 10043
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

@ tidwelr1
I’m a little surprised to read that you use a sub with your RX6’s. I kinda understand it when you say with your 5.1 setup and having all speakers going, then I understand that fully, but with just 2channel there is no need.
I guess I only say that because with my RX2’s, I do not use my subs and only the bookshelf speakers and they sound wonderful. Only time I use the subs, is when I decided to go all speakers, which is very rare.
I agree. That's why I said its not necessary. In my opinion, its just a personal preference thing. I definitely like them w/o a sub. I just usually listen with the whole setup playing, and it sounds really good that way so I've never tried not playing the sub. Next time I get the chance, I'll try it w/o the sub and let u know my impressions.
post #9494 of 10043
For my needs, the rx6 didn't cut it on the low end. My rx8s are fat bottom girls and do just fine 😉
post #9495 of 10043
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Originally Posted by tidwelr1 View Post

I agree. That's why I said its not necessary. In my opinion, its just a personal preference thing. I definitely like them w/o a sub. I just usually listen with the whole setup playing, and it sounds really good that way so I've never tried not playing the sub. Next time I get the chance, I'll try it w/o the sub and let u know my impressions.

With my setup, I do have to go thru the trouble of changing settings to listen to 2channel music. I remove the rear port plug out of the RX2’s, I go into the settings and switch them to full range(which does turn off the subs). I also make a slight adjustment to the treble and bass.

I do tire of going thru those steps switching from HT to just 2channel music.

It would be a lot simpler to just use the subs, then I wouldn’t have make any changes.
post #9496 of 10043
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

With my setup, I do have to go thru the trouble of changing settings to listen to 2channel music. I remove the rear port plug out of the RX2’s, I go into the settings and switch them to full range(which does turn off the subs). I also make a slight adjustment to the treble and bass.

I do tire of going thru those steps switching from HT to just 2channel music.

It would be a lot simpler to just use the subs, then I wouldn’t have make any changes.
i think you hit the nail on the head in terms of why I use the sub. Lol!
post #9497 of 10043
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Originally Posted by tlbino View Post

Help and tips are always welcome...

You should spread the subwoofers around a bit.
post #9498 of 10043
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Originally Posted by tidwelr1 View Post

i think you hit the nail on the head in terms of why I use the sub. Lol!

lol.... ain't that the truth. I suppose I enjoy the lower levels of audio without the sub.

I do tire of going thru the process, but mainly when I plan to sit and listen at lower levels for awhile.

You would think I would have the subs on and banging hard when I listen to rap.

I mainly listen to gospel, R&B without the subs..

RAP, Progressive house with the subs and all speakers going.
post #9499 of 10043
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

lol.... ain't that the truth. I suppose I enjoy the lower levels of audio without the sub.

I do tire of going thru the process, but mainly when I plan to sit and listen at lower levels for awhile.

You would think I would have the subs on and banging hard when I listen to rap.

I mainly listen to gospel, R&B without the subs..

RAP, Progressive house with the subs and all speakers going.
I tried listening w/o the sub today. I definitely like my setup better with the better with the sub playing. I don't have it turned way up. Just enough to blend in with the rest of the speakers.
post #9500 of 10043
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Originally Posted by tidwelr1 View Post

I tried listening w/o the sub today. I definitely like my setup better with the better with the sub playing. I don't have it turned way up. Just enough to blend in with the rest of the speakers.

Just a little curious, without the sub are your towers set to full range when listening to music? I'm pretty sure they are not when you are watching a movie. When watching a movie when your RX6's are set to small, where do you have them cut off at?
post #9501 of 10043
The RX6's have pretty nice midbass, but no way can they compete with a decent subwoofer in the 20-80Hz range (give or take).

If that range matters to you in music listening, then they would definitely benefit from being supplemented by a couple of good subs.

Having said that, I ran them without subs and thought the bass was pretty good - except the lowest bass is nonexistent, as would be expected from two 6" drivers. But with subs, it can be much better.
post #9502 of 10043
You guys are making it sound like the RX2’s are better performers for music than the RX6’s. I already know they are not very good below 40hz, but most music (at least the ones I listen to) do not go below 30hz
Edited by HAMP568 - 11/11/13 at 10:24pm
post #9503 of 10043
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

Just a little curious, without the sub are your towers set to full range when listening to music? I'm pretty sure they are not when you are watching a movie. When watching a movie when your RX6's are set to small, where do you have them cut off at?
I went into the setup menu and changed them to large and put no for sub. Always use 80 hz as the cutoff when they are set to small. The sub just adds fullness to the sound that sounds better to me. 2.1 sounds better to me as well.
post #9504 of 10043
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

You guys are making it sound like the RX2’s are better performers for music than the RX6’s. I already know they are not very good below 40hz, but most music (at least the ones I listen to) do not go below 30hz

Most music I listen to doesn't go below 30Hz either, maybe even 40Hz (I can set the speakers to small on my Denon, then set the crossover at 40Hz, and I don't mind missing any of that octave).

But a good sub or two is nearly always going to be better than even the best tower or standmount speakers, even in the 40-80Hz range. The RX2s probably have pretty good bass, but no way are they as good as two good subs. Now, that might not be all that important to you or your listening habits. It wasn't to me.
post #9505 of 10043
I wasn’t trying to say, the RX2’s were better than two good subs, I’m not sure how that came up. I was just surprised to hear someone felt that the RX6’s were not good enough without subs for music.

I do know that the RX2’s are fantastic for music without subs, that is something I do know and stand strongly behind. It does make a difference depending how low the song goes into the hz if they don’t distort and sound terrible.
post #9506 of 10043
Well, it all depends on your idea of "good enough," I suppose. I thought my RX6's were "good enough" in the bass for music-listening -- until I bought some PSB Synchrony Ones. Now I know what I was missing from the bottom end of the RX6s! eek.gif

FWIW, I still think the RX6's are good speakers for their price range.
post #9507 of 10043
I've always wanted to hear the RX-2. Something about a bookshelf speaker with an 8" woofer is intriguing to me. Now the closeout prices are tempting. Unfortunately I don't see any natural oak anywhere, that's a really nice looking speaker. I've read that it's hard to integrate the crossover between the tweeter and that large of a woofer in a two way design. Any thoughts on that? There's not a lot of reviews out there on this particular model.
post #9508 of 10043
^The issue with using an 8" woofer with a 1" tweeter is that there can be a large directivity mismatch at the crossover frequency. In other words, you might get a flat on-axis response, but the off axis response will not be because the 8" woofer will start to "beam" (become highly directive) below the crossover frequency, then the tweeter will be very broad in its directivity just above the crossover. That results in large off-axis "flares" of energy.

In room, what you'll end up with is some excess energy around the crossover frequency (2kHz), and a forward presentation in that region. It makes them seem extra-detailed and forward, but perhaps a tad un-naturally so.

Monitor Audio accounted for this, to some extent, by lowering the crossover frequency on the RX2 as compared to the RX1, RX6, RX8. But I bet if we had off-axis plots, there would still be significant directivity mismatching evident. Just how audible that is depends on room and setup to some extent.

The new Silver series puts the tweeter in a shallow waveguide. That might help match its directivity a little better to the driver below it.
post #9509 of 10043
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

I wasn’t trying to say, the RX2’s were better than two good subs, I’m not sure how that came up. I was just surprised to hear someone felt that the RX6’s were not good enough without subs for music.

I do know that the RX2’s are fantastic for music without subs, that is something I do know and stand strongly behind. It does make a difference depending how low the song goes into the hz if they don’t distort and sound terrible.
I never said that the rx6s are not good enough w/o a sub or two added. I said I prefer it. Just as the other poster indicated, "good enough" is a subjective thing. Go back and read my thread to the OP. I said its a personal preference issue.
post #9510 of 10043
My apologies, I for one understand personal preference, because I have each of my subs calibrated to 80db’s for my movie viewing, and I love them hot.

Of course you know I meant no harm. smile.gif
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