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post #9691 of 10041
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

C'mon, how can you say something sounded terrible, when you also admitted that you are old and deaf?

can you really judge a speaker intended to have a mate on it's own anyway? you lose the whole stage that way.
post #9692 of 10041
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

can you really judge a speaker intended to have a mate on it's own anyway? you lose the whole stage that way.

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Originally Posted by tidwelr1 View Post

I'm still amazed at the low end of the rx6 in stereo mode. They go lower than the paradigm studio 100s my brother has which is unreal considering how many bass drivers and the size of those speakers. Didn't realize that until I looked at the specs for each speaker. Still like the paradigms as well though.

Rooms will make a huge difference in the way a pair of speakers sounds, as we know. In three different rooms, I heard the rx6, rx8 and studio 100. In my auditions the bass capability of each went in the same order with the 100 sounding the most full range but a little bright. I actually ended up buying the rx8 unheard, after hearing the rx6. The rx6 was good. Not at all bright like the 100 or focal 700/800v but not muffled like the cm9. Bass was good but not enough for my tastes, the 100 never sounded like it needed a sub (the 100 and gx300 in rosenut are my favorites for looks). The rx8 can do without really well too but just miss playing as big as the 100. My x4000 over heated and shut down after getting them up to +2db. It's not rated for 4ohm speakers though...need an amp😏 They sounded great though!
Edited by ambesolman - 1/29/14 at 10:19pm
post #9693 of 10041
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post


C'mon, how can you say something sounded terrible, when you also admitted that you are old and deaf?


Well, I expected that my negative review of the RX8 would elicit at least one nasty comment from at least one prejudiced person with nothing better to do that attack a poor old,deaf person such as myself. You'll excuse me now while I retire to my room and try to find my hearing aids and stool softener.

 

And regarding assessing a single speaker without a mate...yes, I believe I can form an opinion based on the sound and judge most of its characteristics listening to just one speaker. Although obviously some characteristics cannot be assessed this way. I bought my second RS6 (used) pair from an online Monitor Audio dealer and the very knowledgeable sales person, who claimed he did not receive a commision from any sales, agreed that the RX8 and RX6 were a step down from the RS6, the RX8's favorable reviews notwithstanding.

post #9694 of 10041

Cgalny,   have you heard any other 8's to compare yours to?  For something to sound terrible there has to be something wrong.  Maybe one/some of the components' electrical characteristics were affected by the previous owners amp?  This is why I don't buy second hand audio stuff unless I am very good friends with the owner.  You never know...

post #9695 of 10041
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Originally Posted by Chris L View Post
 

Cgalny,   have you heard any other 8's to compare yours to?  For something to sound terrible there has to be something wrong.  Maybe one/some of the components' electrical characteristics were affected by the previous owners amp?  This is why I don't buy second hand audio stuff unless I am very good friends with the owner.  You never know...


No, I haven't had a chance to listen to any other RX8. There are no Monitor Audio dealers in my area that carry it in stock. As for buying second hand audio, I buy lots of it, and have rarely had problems. The four RS6s I have were all purchased second hand, and are virtually flawless. My RX8 problem is only the second or third problem I've had with used audio equipment...out of probably over 100 purchases over the years, almost all of which were purchased sight unseen and unheard.

 

I considered the fact that the RX8 in question might have been damaged, but I don't think so. I checked all of the drivers (which are very easy to R/R, by the way) and everything looked normal. And I don't think the crossover was damaged. But I concede the fact that the speaker MAY have been off for some reason. But I seriously doubt that, because it did not sound defective or damaged....just muddy and lacking the crystal clear mids and highs of the RS6, Mordaunt Aviano 6, and Energy RC-10 speakers I have most recently purchased. The RC-10, in my opinion, is a great small bookshelf speaker, if you can find a pair.

post #9696 of 10041
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Well, I expected that my negative review of the RX8 would elicit at least one nasty comment .

Well, if you expected, then why did you post it? You must have known it was wrong, since you expected a rebuttal. The problem, it wasn’t nasty, it was an honest reply.
post #9697 of 10041
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post


Well, if you expected, then why did you post it? You must have known it was wrong, since you expected a rebuttal. The problem, it wasn’t nasty, it was an honest reply.


I've seen many many excellent replies to all kinds of threads, on all kinds of sites, regading all kinds of issues. Many were exceptionally informative and well written, but received negative and/or nasty replies anyway from anonymous internet people. I expected a rebuttal because this is a Monitor Audio thread, and most people reading it are Monitor Audio fans and as such don't like negative reviews of Monitor Audio products. You might want to bear in mind that I love the Monitor Audio RS6 speaker (mentioned this several times), so I am also a Monitor Audio fan.

 

The rebuttal in question is either nasty or tongue-in-cheek. Can't tell which. I chose to reply with my own tongue-in-check comment, because I try hard not to post nasty replies, even when faced with nastiness. Of course I could allow myself to be disparaged right and left and ignore it. That's always an option I guess.

post #9698 of 10041

I'm not doubting your experience, but it seems as if the judgement is made off of a used speaker.  There are unknowns.  Maybe sometime in the future you'll be able to hear another set of 8's.  I'd be curious to know if you'd have the same opinion.

post #9699 of 10041
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Originally Posted by Chris L View Post
 

I'm not doubting your experience, but it seems as if the judgement is made off of a used speaker.  There are unknowns.  Maybe sometime in the future you'll be able to hear another set of 8's.  I'd be curious to know if you'd have the same opinion.


You could be right, but who knows. What I find interesting is that the person who bought both of the RX8s (the good one and the damaged one) spent over an hour in my home listening to the speaker. He even brought his own receiver and iPod. He agreed with me that the good RX8 was not damaged. He must have liked the sound, because he bought both of them, and planned on repairing the damaged speaker (which I don't believe is cost effective, frankly). I think it's a question of taste, and the RX8 is just not my cup of tea. Perhaps I should not have described the RX8 sound as terrible. That was an exaggeration. If I ever have the opportunity to listen to another RX8, I will certainly do so.

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Originally Posted by cgalny View Post

Perhaps I should not have described the RX8 sound as terrible. That was an exaggeration.

I'm just shaking my head right now... Tsk Tsk Tsk!!!!
post #9701 of 10041
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Originally Posted by cgalny View Post


You could be right, but who knows. What I find interesting is that the person who bought both of the RX8s (the good one and the damaged one) spent over an hour in my home listening to the speaker. He even brought his own receiver and iPod. He agreed with me that the good RX8 was not damaged. He must have liked the sound, because he bought both of them, and planned on repairing the damaged speaker (which I don't believe is cost effective, frankly). I think it's a question of taste, and the RX8 is just not my cup of tea. Perhaps I should not have described the RX8 sound as terrible. That was an exaggeration. If I ever have the opportunity to listen to another RX8, I will certainly do so.
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Originally Posted by HAMP568 View Post

I'm just shaking my head right now... Tsk Tsk Tsk!!!!

what i meant to say was it was a decent effort for a used unpaired speaker...

dont think anyone has an issue with the opinion, just that there are too many unknown variables with the setup to rely on it.
post #9702 of 10041
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Originally Posted by cgalny View Post


You could be right, but who knows. What I find interesting is that the person who bought both of the RX8s (the good one and the damaged one) spent over an hour in my home listening to the speaker. He even brought his own receiver and iPod. He agreed with me that the good RX8 was not damaged. He must have liked the sound, because he bought both of them, and planned on repairing the damaged speaker (which I don't believe is cost effective, frankly). I think it's a question of taste, and the RX8 is just not my cup of tea. Perhaps I should not have described the RX8 sound as terrible. That was an exaggeration. If I ever have the opportunity to listen to another RX8, I will certainly do so.

Some comments, coming from a person who has owned the S series, the RS series, and the RX series:

1) First of all, the RX8 is a tad muddy compared to the RS6. It just is, but it's not a "horrible" difference by any means. The RS6 bass is quite clean and detailed. The RX8 can go lower and louder but the bass isn't quite as clean overall in the mid- and upper-bass range. I'll grant you that, but the difference is subtle.

2) The room the speaker is in can make a dramatic difference in the bass response, and the position of the speaker in the room can make a huge difference as well. Did you place the RX8s exactly where the RS6s were? If not, that could account for the differences in bass. Also, because the RX8 can go lower, it may have excited a room mode (a resonance characteristic of your room) that your RS6s weren't able to excite. That could make the bass sound overbearing on the RX8s when it's not really their fault. In another room with different dimensions, the bass on the RX8s might better your RS6s.

3) The RS6 is a somewhat bright speaker, while the RX8 is more warm, ie, bassy. That could take some getting used to if you've been living with the RS6s for a while.

4) I found the mids to be a little better on the RX series than on the RS series, but not any big differences, just a subtle improvement.

5) I found the highs on the RX series to be quite a bit better than the RS series, especially as you play them louder and louder. The RS6s are bright to begin with, and when pushed loud they also get harsh. The RXs can go louder without getting harsh like that.
post #9703 of 10041

Thank you for your reply. You've obviously been around the block a few times, like me. Your reply is well thought out.

 

 

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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post


Some comments, coming from a person who has owned the S series, the RS series, and the RX series:

1) First of all, the RX8 is a tad muddy compared to the RS6. It just is, but it's not a "horrible" difference by any means. The RS6 bass is quite clean and detailed. The RX8 can go lower and louder but the bass isn't quite as clean overall in the mid- and upper-bass range. I'll grant you that, but the difference is subtle.
--In my opinion there was a significant difference between the RS6 and the RX8. I did not get the impression that the RX8 went lower (even though I'm sure its frequency response is a few hertz lower in the bottom end). Perhaps it was a bit louder, but not in a good way.

2) The room the speaker is in can make a dramatic difference in the bass response, and the position of the speaker in the room can make a huge difference as well. Did you place the RX8s exactly where the RS6s were? If not, that could account for the differences in bass. Also, because the RX8 can go lower, it may have excited a room mode (a resonance characteristic of your room) that your RS6s weren't able to excite. That could make the bass sound overbearing on the RX8s when it's not really their fault. In another room with different dimensions, the bass on the RX8s might better your RS6s.
--The RX8s (both good and damaged) were placed within a couple of inches of where the RS6s have been for years. I did not find the RX8's bass overbearing...just muddy and loose. It was not too loud. If I had bothered to measure the sound level, I'm guessing the RS6 and RX8 would be fairly equal...at least in my listening environment.

3) The RS6 is a somewhat bright speaker, while the RX8 is more warm, ie, bassy. That could take some getting used to if you've been living with the RS6s for a while.
--Yes, the RX8 definitely sounded warmer than the RS6, but once again not in a good way. Without making a big deal about it, I've had a bit of experience coming speakers over the years and have reached the point where I don't have to do an A/B comparison in every case to say I like one speaker better than the other.

4) I found the mids to be a little better on the RX series than on the RS series, but not any big differences, just a subtle improvement.
--I must politely totally disagree with this. I found the RS6's mids noticeably more pleasant and accurate than the RX8.

5) I found the highs on the RX series to be quite a bit better than the RS series, especially as you play them louder and louder. The RS6s are bright to begin with, and when pushed loud they also get harsh. The RXs can go louder without getting harsh like that.
---As in #4, I must again politely totally disagree with this. I found the RS6's highs far superior to the RX8, regardless of volume. The difference gradually diminishes, yes, but I never listen at ear splitting volumes and I never test equipment at very high volumes, anyway. Yes, the RS6's highs are bright to begin with, and the louder the brighter. I agree with this. The tube preamp I use tames these highs. With a tube preamp the RS6 sounds the way I want a speaker to sound, with no listener fatigue. Driving the RS6 with a bright amp/preamp/receiver, etc. is not a good idea, because in this case the mids especially can be overbearing at higher volumes.
post #9704 of 10041
Thanks for your thoughts and observations. I did extensive side-by-side quick-switch A/B comparisons between the RS and RX, so I'm pretty confident in my findings.

Having said that, I used a solid-state amp for all comparisons. With a tube amp, all bets are off, because now not only is the speaker under test being compared, but the speaker's impedance can play a role as well - the amp/speaker interaction with a tube setup can account for many of the different finding you had vs. what I found. Since the RS and RX speakers have different impedances, your tube amp will affect frequency response of the speakers and thus change the sound.
post #9705 of 10041
I don't believe I said I used a tube amp. I believe I said I used, and am still using, a tube preamp. I've tried all the different combinations of tube and SS amps, preamps, int amps, etc. and settled on SS amps with tube preamps. To my ears this is the best sounding combination. I'm just as confident in my opinions as I'm sure you are of yours. Which is what makes the world go 'round.
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Ah, sorry about that - sloppy reading on my part. My apologies.
Yes, we're just expressing opinions, and I'm fine with that.
I'm just trying to figure out possible reasons why our opinions differ, other than just the usual "everybody hears differently" statement we so often see.
post #9707 of 10041
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Originally Posted by cgalny View Post

I don't believe I said I used a tube amp. I believe I said I used, and am still using, a tube preamp. I've tried all the different combinations of tube and SS amps, preamps, int amps, etc. and settled on SS amps with tube preamps. To my ears this is the best sounding combination. I'm just as confident in my opinions as I'm sure you are of yours. Which is what makes the world go 'round.

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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

Ah, sorry about that - sloppy reading on my part. My apologies.
Yes, we're just expressing opinions, and I'm fine with that.
I'm just trying to figure out possible reasons why our opinions differ, other than just the usual "everybody hears differently" statement we so often see.

This is what makes a market. For every seller there is a buyer.
post #9708 of 10041
tried searching and even checking Polk's website but no luck.
Quick question: what is the RMS power on the Monitor 75t?

I have a pair of monitor 60's and am looking to replace those with 75's (60's will get moved to rear speakers)

Just doing some research ahead of time
post #9709 of 10041
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Originally Posted by Jedi54 View Post

tried searching and even checking Polk's website but no luck.
Quick question: what is the RMS power on the Monitor 75t?

I have a pair of monitor 60's and am looking to replace those with 75's (60's will get moved to rear speakers)

Just doing some research ahead of time

Monitor Audio is a manufacture.
Polk is another manufacture.
post #9710 of 10041
Meant Polk Audio
post #9711 of 10041
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Originally Posted by weird 23 View Post
 

I'll break out the Omni Mic and take some measurements another day, can't be bothered today. I have run XT32. The center is just really small sounding, spl challenged, an utter lack of any low end at all and gets easily drowned out by the towers. I also am starting to realize just how good my previous centers were in comparison. I had a feeling this might happen. FYI I'm a very picky person when it comes to my center channel. 

 

These are my first MA's, it's early into my ownership of them but at this point I'd say they make better stereo speakers than HT speakers. Hopefully they prove me wrong.

 

Any luck in getting the center to sound the way you expected?  Looking at the specs for the center it just seem strange that it sounds spl challenged with no low end.  I've read reviews on the previous generation silver center and they were all good.  I was about to pull the trigger on the new Silver center even though I have no where to hear one locally so I'm curious about your situation.

post #9712 of 10041

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum. Can someone please give me the instruction of how to remove tweeters on ma-bx5s without damaging it/cabinet?

 

Thanks

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I finally entered the world of vinyl and hi-fi stereo.   I have been wanting a turntable for a while and last month I got a Pro-Ject Carbon Debut and last week I completed the setup with some Monitor Audio BX2's and a NAD C 316BEE.   Love the speakers so far, what an amazing difference from my old 5.1 Logitech Z5550 setup that I had for years.  (The TT is now on vibrapods and some little felt discs under the speakers to reduce any vibration interference.  This setup isn't ideal and I will be redoing the shelves eventually but so far the distortion hasn't been a problem after the felt and vibrapods.)

 

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I finally entered the world of vinyl and hi-fi stereo.   I have been wanting a turntable for a while and last month I got a Pro-Ject Carbon Debut ......

Nice setup!  Cool thing is that with vinyl you get to stay out of/above  the HD audio wars! :)

post #9715 of 10041
so i went to my local speaker shop yesterday to audition headphones. I auditioned the audeze lcd-3 and lcd-xc, hifiman he-500 and he-6, beyerdynamic t-1. i really couldn't decide on one as they all did their strong points that i respected but i would prefer them to be different.
Then before i left i was looking around and saw the monitor audio gold series towers. both the small and large version. i decided to have them turned on and i threw my demo disc in.
I WAS BLOWN AWAY!!!1:eek:
these were the best speaker i had ever heard in that price range. I use to think that a lot of body in the highs made for a better sounding speaker and usually this treatment leads one to think they are highly detailed. cough KEF R series
which i absolutely loved till i started listening to higher end headphones. Some headphones do this and it makes for a very fatiguing listening session.
As you can see i mainly listen to planar-magnetic headphones. they simply do not have any air to them although the he-6 came as close to a dynamic driver as i've ever heard a planar come.
I respect what the he-6 does but really all it did for me was say "hey, this headphone does a much better at giving a fully coherent image and has great resolution and speed"
however there was no intimacy with it like i got with the lcd-3 being properly driven by a $6500 cavalli audio amp. however the lcd-3 has no air to it but is ridiculously detailed and smooth and the imaging has a more
microscopic like focus but everything is a wall of sound....and i don't have that type of money.
sorry for the ramble but i figured i'd fill you in on type of presentation i like my music to have. maybe someone can cope with me

.
ive been in this hobby for quite some time now and i really started considering a new train of thought and that is that speakers and headphones generally try to meet the same goal. That goal is hard to explain but i'm going to give it a shot. All the speakers and headphones i've heard seemed like they were trying to make it to a certain goal but most tend to mess something up. But if i try to imagine said speaker/headphone with those flaws taken out and filled what i know would be right, they would almost always sound like the same finished product except some add more body in certain frequencies because they know it gives the illusion of being appealing to most listeners. But the problem with this end game sound is that i just sounded more refined and made me feel like my search was going to end not with a speaker/headphone that was more emotional and musical but was just technically more correct (except for audeze which has it's own take on music reproduction and i do like the lcd-3's tonality, detail and forward dark focus but they lack air and dimension)
With that being said, the gx series met this end game sound but added onto it and into a breathtaking musical way.
back to the gold series towers.
AIR AIR AIR AIR AIR!!!!!!1
my god this speaker literally read my mind while i was auditioning headphones and conformed itself to my every wish.
no intrusive highs just delicate smooth airy highs and mids to match it.
i don't like aggressive but i also don't like highs that can't get sparkly when needed and it's usually one or the other but not with these
I as far as the presence of the vocals, these reminded me of the audeze with a microscopic like focus but with dimension to them YES!
they also had a VERY solid stereo image
my god they dug down deep too. i had actually gone there to take my friend to go buy a pair of KEF R300's. well he's a bass head
when i sat him down in front of these i saw his stomach drop. he seriously almost threw up. i saw him shaking.....he had already paid for his r series lol. these where quite a bit over his budget anyways as they were full towers.
i got to listen to the larger bookshelves too and was very surprised at the bass they put out too.
I want to go with the bookshelf model so my wife doesn't kill me but i think i want the added size of the image of the towers.
post #9716 of 10041
Picking up a pair of the Silver 10s tomorrow replacing a pair of RS6s. Anyone in the Wash. DC area looking to buy a like new condition pair of RS6s, drop me a line.
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Hi all, so I'm seriously considering biting the bullet on getting the silver 8's. (left, right and center)  My only concern is finding an appropriate receiver to go with them. I can get a really great deal on a yamaha rx-a2030, however I notice it has 8ohm nominal impedance. Will I have issues with this? Especially if I add sub and rears?

 

Any advice on if this receiver can handle the loads, or if anyone can recommend another receiver? If possible I'd like to stay away from separates.

 

Thanks!

post #9718 of 10041
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Originally Posted by omiee View Post
 

Hi all, so I'm seriously considering biting the bullet on getting the silver 8's. (left, right and center)  My only concern is finding an appropriate receiver to go with them. I can get a really great deal on a yamaha rx-a2030, however I notice it has 8ohm nominal impedance. Will I have issues with this? Especially if I add sub and rears?

 

Any advice on if this receiver can handle the loads, or if anyone can recommend another receiver? If possible I'd like to stay away from separates.

 

Thanks!


The silver 8's are a nominal 4-ohm speaker.

 

Did you demo the silver center?  I'm waiting to hear reviews on the center before buying one since I can't demo one locally. 

post #9719 of 10041
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The silver 8's are a nominal 4-ohm speaker.

 

Did you demo the silver center?  I'm waiting to hear reviews on the center before buying one since I can't demo one locally. 

Ahh that's awesome!

 

Yeah I didn't mind it at all, although I've heard mixed reviews. I can't remember if I read it earlier on in this thread or somewhere else, but apparently some people prefer using a silver 2 as a center instead. Personally I think I'm just going to stick with the silver center.

post #9720 of 10041
I just bought a Sliver RX Centre, I was wondering if a stand for this center is made, as I have been unable to find one.
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