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post #61 of 97
That's partly false, HDMI is allowed to upconvert DVD's. CSS allow up conversion because of the build in security through HDMI. component is not allowed because a lack of security and VGa is allowed to because of the computer interface loophole. Every upconverting DVd player besides the 360 does it's upconversion through HDMI.

The reason the PS3 can't upconvert anything is it lack a useable scaler. There may be a scaler in the PS3 but Sony does not allow it to be used for anything right now.
post #62 of 97
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Originally Posted by swanlee View Post

That's partly false, HDMI is allowed to upconvert DVD's. CSS allow up conversion because of the build in security through HDMI. component is not allowed because a lack of security and VGa is allowed to because of the computer interface loophole. Every upconverting DVd player besides the 360 does it's upconversion through HDMI.

The reason the PS3 can't upconvert anything is it lack a useable scaler. There may be a scaler in the PS3 but Sony does not allow it to be used for anything right now.

There are ways to get upconverting DVD players to allow component upconversion, though some tech savyness is involved and you need to do research for your specific player to find the codes you need to enter to disable the component blockage
post #63 of 97
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Originally Posted by dallow View Post

Thanks for bumping a dead topic on something we've been talking about for weeks already.

Would you rather he started a new thread???
post #64 of 97
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Originally Posted by WirelessGuru View Post

Would you rather he started a new thread???

I'd rather he use the countless other threads full of complaints (justified of course) still on the first page.
post #65 of 97
Sub,

You are clearly mistaken, any number of upconvert DVD player operate over HDMI (which is secure thanks to HDCP or something like that...).

The PS3 doesn't upconvert because Sony didn't place any scaling hardware in the system (as seen by the 1080i mess) and because they didn't have a software solution in place for launch.

They may never release software updates for PS1/PS2/DVD upconverting because they won't make money of it.

I'm currently looking in the new Oppo 1080p upconvert DVD player for $230.
post #66 of 97
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Originally Posted by Frank@N View Post

They may never release software updates for PS1/PS2/DVD upconverting because they won't make money of it.

They also didn't have to include the SACD playback on the PS3 but they did it anyway. Since I'm not Hizrai, I can't say for certain that DVD will be upconverted with a future firmware. But the Cell is more than capable of doing that.


fuad
post #67 of 97
So if I'm playing a regular DVD on my PS3 (which doesn't upconvert), but the video signal goes through my Denon AVR-4306 (which is suppose to upconvert everything) through an HDMI cable to my TV then I will be seeing that DVD in 1080P/1080i? Just trying to figure out what resolution I'm viewing my DVD's in. I'm a noob... :P
post #68 of 97
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Originally Posted by SamTheManNYC View Post

So if I'm playing a regular DVD on my PS3 (which doesn't upconvert), but the video signal goes through my Denon AVR-4306 (which is suppose to upconvert everything) through an HDMI cable to my TV then I will be seeing that DVD in 1080P/1080i? Just trying to figure out what resolution I'm viewing my DVD's in. I'm a noob... :P

When in doubt just hit your menu button on your tv remote to see what resolution it says.
post #69 of 97
(oppo dv-981hd) I have this unit, it does a nice job. I'm happy with it, but not as nice as BR on PS3
post #70 of 97
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Originally Posted by SamTheManNYC View Post

So if I'm playing a regular DVD on my PS3 (which doesn't upconvert), but the video signal goes through my Denon AVR-4306 (which is suppose to upconvert everything) through an HDMI cable to my TV then I will be seeing that DVD in 1080P/1080i? Just trying to figure out what resolution I'm viewing my DVD's in. I'm a noob... :P


The 4306 doesn't "Upscale" any signals. It "Upconverts" all signals to HDMI so you can run one cable to your display. So you can plug a 480i composite signal in and run HDMI out. The resolution does not change.
post #71 of 97
A better explanation:

Video Conversion: The AVR-4306 is equipped with a flexible video switching system that converts video signals in an effort to only require one video connection from receiver to TV. Unlike most other conversion circuits, this receiver will convert analog signals from composite video, S-Video, and component video to HDMI.

Composite Video: can be converted to S-Video, component video, or HDMI
S-Video: can be converted to composite video, component video, or HDMI
Component Video: can be converted to composite video, S-Video, or HDMI (480i signals only when down converting)
post #72 of 97
I just purchased a new PS3 last week. I had to upgrade the firmware as soon as I started the system. I put in a regular DVD, and it upconverts the DVD's no problem. I have an HDMI cable connected directly from the PS3 to the back of my Sony SXRD 50" and the picture quality is excellent. Thought I would let everyone know...
post #73 of 97
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Originally Posted by jaykit View Post

I just purchased a new PS3 last week. I had to upgrade the firmware as soon as I started the system. I put in a regular DVD, and it upconverts the DVD's no problem. I have an HDMI cable connected directly from the PS3 to the back of my Sony SXRD 50" and the picture quality is excellent. Thought I would let everyone know...

Sorry dude, doesn't upconvert. Not sure what the hell your talking about and how you're coming to conclusion that it's upconverting.

Rumor has it that the March FW update could finally allow software emulation and scaling that should allow for DVD upconversion.
post #74 of 97
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Originally Posted by jaykit View Post

I just purchased a new PS3 last week. I had to upgrade the firmware as soon as I started the system. I put in a regular DVD, and it upconverts the DVD's no problem. I have an HDMI cable connected directly from the PS3 to the back of my Sony SXRD 50" and the picture quality is excellent. Thought I would let everyone know...

Your TV is probably doing the scaling, not the PS3.
post #75 of 97
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Originally Posted by Frank@N View Post

Sub,


I'm currently looking in the new Oppo 1080p upconvert DVD player for $230.

Why, does your 1080P lack a scalar too? My cheap Westinghouse has one of the best scalars around, just let the TV do it. It's the same function - who cares which device does it?
post #76 of 97
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Originally Posted by Tenkaipalm View Post

Your TV is probably doing the scaling, not the PS3.

Agreed. He's probably confusing the TV scaler with the PS3 scaler.

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Why, does your 1080P lack a scalar too? My cheap Westinghouse has one of the best scalars around, just let the TV do it. It's the same function - who cares which device does it?

Not lacking a scaler, just an inferior one. The DCDi chip in the Oppo is MUCH better than any conventional TV scaler.
post #77 of 97
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Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post

Not lacking a scaler, just an inferior one. The DCDi chip in the Oppo is MUCH better than any conventional TV scaler.

DCDi is not for upscaling. DVDs films are 480P, you don't need to deinterlace them.

Upscaling is like praying. You'll convince yourself of the effects if you pay $230, but I bet you'd fail a blind test. You may want to do some more research before you waste money on something so insignificant.
post #78 of 97
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Originally Posted by tgable View Post

DCDi is not for upscaling. DVDs films are 480P, you don't need to deinterlace them.

Upscaling is like praying. You'll convince yourself of the effects if you pay $230, but I bet you'd fail a blind test. You may want to do some more research before you waste money on something so insignificant.

Upscaling is a science. I can certainly tell the difference between quality upscaling and generic upscaling. It's not trivial and when done right can have a very significant PQ difference.
post #79 of 97
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Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post

Upscaling is a science. I can certainly tell the difference between quality upscaling and generic upscaling. It's not trivial and when done right can have a very significant PQ difference.

I'd love to hear the differences in "quality" and "generic" upscaling. I've been down the HTPC+ffdshow upscaling holy grail quest now. I have the 360 upscaling to 1080P via VGA and my cheap JVC 480P player. I use my JVC 95% of the time, it's hard to tell on my 42" and my TV has a good scaler. The 360 seems to do a good job, but the added noise isn't worth the hassle.
post #80 of 97
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Originally Posted by tgable View Post

I'd love to hear the differences in "quality" and "generic" upscaling. I've been down the HTPC+ffdshow upscaling holy grail quest now. I have the 360 upscaling to 1080P via VGA and my cheap JVC 480P player. I use my JVC 95% of the time, it's hard to tell on my 42" and my TV has a good scaler. The 360 seems to do a good job, but the added noise isn't worth the hassle.

Algorithms, my friend, algorithms. I could probably write a functional upscaling algorithm in a few days but it would pale in comparison to some of the high end algorithms. Upscaling in it's simplest form is just a guessing game. Who guesses better is what determines the quality of the final product and the overall PQ the user perceives.
post #81 of 97
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Originally Posted by tgable View Post

DCDi is not for upscaling. DVDs films are 480P, you don't need to deinterlace them.

Upscaling is like praying. You'll convince yourself of the effects if you pay $230, but I bet you'd fail a blind test. You may want to do some more research before you waste money on something so insignificant.

SD-DVD's are 480i. Since you do not know something so basic, I will stay away from your advice about upscaling being insignificant.
post #82 of 97
The PS3 can't upconvert DVD to anything other then 480P! Period!!!!
post #83 of 97
I remember my OPPO player was awsome! That thing made stuff look HD!
post #84 of 97
PS3 upscales now with update 1.81...just wanted to let u know.
I would link but I am restricted. You can check it out under system update and Playstation PS3 page.
post #85 of 97
YEP IT DOES, for all software. Including PS1, and PS2 games.
post #86 of 97
confirmed, I have my ps3 set to 1080p only, and I tried a dvd, a psx game, and a ps2 game. All were displayed in full 1080p
post #87 of 97
Wow old thread.
We have come a long way.
post #88 of 97
resurrecting the dead?
post #89 of 97
The PS3 won't upscale my beta tapes yet. I'm hoping they include an update to the system so that works. It takes a mighty effort to get them in the tape bay - they really should have made that better design: I have to unspool my tape and feed it into the disc drive slot. It takes forever. Oh well, hopefully in the next update.
post #90 of 97
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Originally Posted by Supermans View Post

An update would be able to do it since the maching is basically a computer with all the capability to upscale. It is possible that a hack of some sort comes out down the road if Sony doesn't come up with one. It is also possible that all the common HTPC programs in use today to scale DVD movie's multiple times and other programs like nvidia's decoders could be implimented into Linux once the RSX code is broken...It will be interesting to see when that happens. Until then, I don't believe the PS3 will upconvert SD-DVD's natively, even if you set the output to 1080p, it won't be doing the same thing as all of Sony's upconverter DVD players....


It is funny reading old "prediction" posts about what I think is going to happen. So far the RSX hasn't been cracked for use with Linux and SD-DVD upscaling is already here What would be interesting would be a crack that allows you to tweak the upconversion process... Now wait and see, in six months that feature is added by Sony in a firmware update as well...
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