So you've concluded that the two channel capabilities of these components are on par with each other. Great. Does that make one receiver as good as the other and therefore induce a purchase of the cheapest piece?
Sigh. Please reread post #41. I never said sound quality is the only factor to take into consideration when purchasing a receiver, never. You're hearing what you want to hear, not what I actually said.
However, most people aren't buying surround sound processors for stereo listening. So your test to prove the stereo capabilities of said processors seems quite irrelevant.
However, I disagree with Steve's conclusion that he "can buy a less expensive receiver and still get the same sound quality from the processing."
You vulture, I've already explained how even surround sound quality will be affected by the DACs and analog prestage. If you want to go on and on about post processing, which was not a part of this test, please take it elsewhere, it does not belong in this thread.
Thanks Steve. I believe you.
Thanks for answering my unasked question of what the Dolby engineer told you.
No problem, we're just giving back to the community.
If you are trying to compare DACs and analog prestages, would it not be of some value to have researched (and posted) exactly what parts are performing these functions? If it happened that all of you test gear contained the very same parts, then what value would your test have then?
HK 635 uses Cirrus Logic DACs, Audio Refinement uses Motorola DACs, and I'm not sure what the Pioneer 1015 uses, but considering its costs $400, the HK costs $1200, and the AR costs $1500, I'd have to imagine it is using more of a mass market, less expensive chip than the others. The reason a pre/pro manufacturer will go on and on at length about the DACs they are using is because they need something to go on to try and justify the higher price - their DACs have better sound quality. If they didn't, how could could they justify their product? Friday I would have believed them. After Saturday, sorry bub.
Yeah, I don't get this test.
Lol, I don't know how much more clearly I can explain it, sorry.
Are you telling me that there would be no difference if I were to upgrade my AVR635 with a Rotel?
If you are using the same amplification with each, and not using any tone controls (bass/treble) or other forms of post processing like room correction, then yes, that would be the jist of the message. It's up to you to decide if the three units we chose are representative enough and whether or not our hearing and equipment is up to your standards. If it's not, that's fine, but I really don't care to hear about it, I'm sharing our
QUOTE: Originally Posted by zaracsan
but did not really answer any of the more obvious *why* questions, as is suggested by those conclusions. I mean, what is the point of such an elaborate test, if all you can tell us is that everything sounds the same, but you really can't tell us why that is.
Originally posted by thylanter: By default, the people that understand science, electronics, and human perception of audio already know 'why'. You have to take it upon yourself
to learn why. I don't expect Steve to touch on these topics as he would
have to write a novel.
Exactly - would you like me to do your laundry too? The logical reason why they all sound the same is because all DACs do the same thing, and unless the DAC is garbage, the results should be 99.9% identical. Manufacturers, audio magazines, and golden ears would have us believe otherwise.
So what can we conclude from the above as it applies to the home theater experience??
I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be offensive, but are you dense? Reread the post I made in reply to your first message, I explained how surround sound quality is still greatly affected by the DACs and analog prestage. Now reread my first post. Then it's up to you to extrapolate whatever you want from our results. If you still don't understand, ask Mark to explain it to you
who cares what you really said: you said what we think you said. What you really said is irrelevent in a discussion about what you said. Only what we think or deem you said matters, OK?
Seriously, a lot of our posters can benefit tremendously from a jump-start course in reading or listening comprehension 101.
Tell me about it. I'm sorry if our tests offends the pride of ownership others have in their expensive processors, but I'm not interested in hype, I'm interested in the truth. Buncha vultures around here.