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post #11311 of 35281
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Wipster, the LaScala will give you that "perfect match" you mention. The mids and highs in the LaScala are identical to the Khorns. The difference is in the bass bin, and when crossed over at 80hz to a subwoofer, the differences in the bass are (arguably) nullified.

Sweet! Thanks for the advice Tony!
post #11312 of 35281
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post

Sell a pair of Cornwalls and get a Belle of lascala for a center to those khorns...dont use the academy as a center to the khorns.. it's not enough, but perfect for your fortes. I also do not like the ideal of heresy's as a center..again in my opinion it's not enough and not a proper match. I'm speaking from experience (not with khorns HT, but with lascalas HT.) You gotta use the khorns if you can, I regret selling mine years ago when I was 2 channel.

Appreciate it Johnny, sounds like I'm getting a pretty consistent message from the folks who know... definitely going to see if we can make this happen.
post #11313 of 35281
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Originally Posted by barasn View Post

if you compare Klipsch thx 2 ultra set to

RF-7 II Floorstanding Speakers
RC-64 II Center Channel Speaker
RS-62 II Surround Speakers
RB-81 II Bookshelf Speakers
Two klipsch Sub 12

Which will be better thx 2 ultra set or rf-7 set? Cinema and stereo?

My receiver is denon 5805mk2

hard choice.. you gotta hear them I think..I have not heard the RF7II's but I can imagine being very different from RF7's. I personally prefer what I have now (Ultra2) my room is not large and I ran hertiage HT system before with a combo of lascalas, with cornwalls and then heresy etc etc.

One thing for sure the THX subs (kw120's) are outstanding compared to RW12 (d's) RSW15's I've heard in the past. I told myself recently do go after a more HT setup and thus chose the ultra2 and have not regretted it so far. I'm not in a dedicated room either and run DSX (w/wides) I used to do all my music listening via tube amplification..old mcintosh or scott stuff, but now with DSX I'm perfectly happy and dont miss my tubes...ok just a little because I'm old school.
post #11314 of 35281
barasn -- I can't add anything to what spdntrxi said for the main and surround speakers. However, most of the Klipsch subs are overpriced for their performance capability. The Klipsch THX subs (KW120)) may be very good, but again are very expensive for their performance.

You would be much better off going with some alternate subs from ID (Internet Direct) companies (see the AVS Subwoofer forum). Models from eD, Epik, SVS, HSU, Rythmik, Seaton Sound, etc. would be much better choices (subs do not have to be Klipsch for a sonic match).

IMHO, for me, the Seaton Submersive would be my first choice, but it is out of my price range (and won't fit into my room). Right now I'm using a 23 year old 15" Velodyne sub. If (and when) it finally quits, I will likely be replacing it with a Rythmik D15SE (which also fits my budget limitations). My reasoning is that both (my Velodyne & the Rythmik) are servo-controlled subs (and are very good for both music and HT) and they are both down-firing subs, which fits into my room and sub placement preference.

NOTE: Based on what I've found (from the Klipsch site), my opinion is that the THX Ultra 2 system would be better than the RF-7 II system (due to the changes made between the older RF-7 series and the new version II -- see my comments below). If you can find the older models on the second hand market, then the comparison could be different.

TheWolf56 -- You are right on the RC-64 (1.25") vs, the RC-64 II (1.75"). However, none of the other version II reference series have a similar change -- they all use the same sized (1") tweeter drivers as the older versions.

On the other hand, the RF-7 has changed considerably. The old RF-7 has a 1.75" tweeter driver and a 2200Hz crossover. The new RF-7 II has the same sized speakers, but a 1200Hz crossover. That is a very large change.
post #11315 of 35281
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post
hard choice.. you gotta hear them I think..I have not heard the RF7II's but I can imagine being very different from RF7's....

One thing for sure the THX subs (kw120's) are outstanding compared to RW12 (d's) RSW15's I've heard in the past...
The dual THX subs are awesome and I agree comparing them to a single RSW-15 but when you put a second RSW-15 in the mix that would seem to change he comparison, imo.

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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post
On the other hand, the RF-7 has changed considerably. The old RF-7 has a 1.75" tweeter driver and a 2200Hz crossover. The new RF-7 II has the same sized speakers, but a 1200Hz crossover. That is a very large change.
I am currious to hear the difference between the two generations of RF-7s because my bet is that it's not going to be as big a difference as you guys are reporting. That being said, I wonder how tonally different the RC-64II is compared to the RC-7.
post #11316 of 35281
Well CT_Wiebe have you heard the new Reference series and done a A B comparison ? Or is this speculation and specs on your part that your saying the old reference series is better ? I've personally done a A&B comparison with the I and II series and preferred the II . Now mind you everyone hears different things but to me the new series sounded more clean and dynamic but again thats what I heard and also would of must preferred buying the old series when they were blowing them out to make room for the new and saved much more money but again the new reference sounded better to me . Now keep in mind the old series sounded great too but when doing a A B I preferred the new . What speakers are you running with your setup out of curiosity ? Do you own either? BTW Merry Christmas Everyone !!!!!!!!!!!!
post #11317 of 35281
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

.. I've personally done a A&B comparison with the I and II series and preferred the II ....

Fwiw, it's been reported here and pretty much confirmed by Klipsch CS there isn't much/if any difference in the lower end reference towers and bookshelf speakers and going from a 2 1/2 way crossover in the center evidently doesn't change the tonal quality by much...That being said there are significant differences in the upper end Reference and I am curious how they mix and match, as well as compare to the older RF-7/RC-7 which does have some design differences.
post #11318 of 35281
Merry Christmas Everyone!
post #11319 of 35281
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Wipster, the LaScala will give you that "perfect match" you mention. The mids and highs in the LaScala are identical to the Khorns. The difference is in the bass bin, and when crossed over at 80hz to a subwoofer, the differences in the bass are (arguably) nullified.

Almost.

The La Scala is a great match to Klipschorns. But a La Scala and sub does not sound exactly like a Klipschorn. The upper bass is different. That's what I noticed when I upgraded from La Scala to Klipschorns.
post #11320 of 35281
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Originally Posted by stuberger View Post

merry christmas everyone!

+1!!! :d
post #11321 of 35281
Anyone looking for a deal on some decent Klipsch towers they have the wf-35 for less than you might expect at best buy. The price is in store and not on site and Qty is limited. I just got a pair to serve as my wide channel.
post #11322 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

Fwiw, it's been reported here and pretty much confirmed by Klipsch CS there isn't much/if any difference in the lower end reference towers and bookshelf speakers and going from a 2 1/2 way crossover in the center evidently doesn't change the tonal quality by much...That being said there are significant differences in the upper end Reference and I am curious how they mix and match, as well as compare to the older RF-7/RC-7 which does have some design differences.

Thank You Zen for clarifying my apologies I should of been more specific I was actually referring to the 7II's and 64II . I dont believe they would fall into the entry or lower level reference line . But then again unless your referring to lower end like drivers and upper end meaning tweeters/ crossovers . There was a difference to my ears anyway without a dought. I always let my ears to the testing not whats on paper or what I read ; ) I've learned over the years everyone hears different things within reason of course .
post #11323 of 35281
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

Thank You Zen for clarifying my apologies I should of been more specific I was actually referring to the 7II's and 64II .

I understood where you were coming from and to clarify what I am saying, there more than likely is no difference when comparing RF-82 to the RF-82II and below...Insofar as the RF-7II is concerned I am sure there is a difference between the RF-7II and the previous top-of-the-line RF-83 along with the RC-64II being different than the previous model.

BTW, Happy Christmas to everyone that observes it and hope the year-end weekend is goes well for those that don't.
post #11324 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I understood where you were coming from and to clarify what I am saying, there more than likely is no difference when comparing RF-82 to the RF-82II and below...Insofar as the RF-7II is concerned I am sure there is a difference between the RF-7II and the previous top-of-the-line RF-83 along with the RC-64II being different than the previous model.

BTW, Happy Christmas to everyone that observes it and hope the year-end weekend is goes well for those that don't.

For sure and a Merry Christmas to you and all my Audiophile friends and family
post #11325 of 35281
think to buy klipsch thx 2 ultra set but thx subs are expensive can i replace another sub to set like mk 350thx?
post #11326 of 35281
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Originally Posted by barasn View Post

think to buy klipsch thx 2 ultra set but thx subs are expensive can i replace another sub to set like mk 350thx?

The system is designed to work together..with the proper roll offs blah blah to get the ultra2 certification. After saying that I do agree klipsch subs are on the expensive side. That setup retails for 4000+.. realistically I could be had new for around 3K or less still not cheap. As and owner of the full Ultra2 lineup..I think you can go with other sub mfg with no issues.
post #11327 of 35281
Looking for someone who knows about some of the bookshelf speakers. They have quite a few, and I'm wondering what the differences are, or what's better

Mostly wondering about the differences between the XB-10s, WB-14s, and B-20s. Basically any of the pairs under $350, which includes the RB-41s as well

I'm looking to pick up 2 now for some music action, but later I'll be adding 2 more for the rear, a center, and a sub for movies and games. This is all for a bedroom system. Any help/suggestions is appreciated
post #11328 of 35281
I am buying a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's and an RC-62 II center. These will be powered by an Onkyo 606 100Wx7 HT receiver.

The 82's are efficient and and have bass down to 33 hz. They sound great for stereo music, and I am hoping to not need a sub for home theater. I am not a fan of LFE bass in movies, I just like clean tight musical bass.

The center is rated down to 56 hz. Without a sub, I am wondering if bass for the center is also directed to the fronts when there is no sub assigned in the speaker setup in the Onkyo. There's no mention of this in the 606 manual, but my older Sony pro logic receiver did that.

Or even without the fronts augmenting the center bass, will I miss anything with this center and no sub in movies?

Thanks, Tim
post #11329 of 35281
If you buy a GOOD sub and position it correctly, you'll get that clean, musical bass you desire on movie LFE.
post #11330 of 35281
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO View Post

If you buy a GOOD sub and position it correctly, you'll get that clean, musical bass you desire on movie LFE.

x2
post #11331 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Tim60 View Post

I am buying a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's and an RC-62 II center. These will be powered by an Onkyo 606 100Wx7 HT receiver.

The 82's are efficient and and have bass down to 33 hz. They sound great for stereo music, and I am hoping to not need a sub for home theater. I am not a fan of LFE bass in movies, I just like clean tight musical bass.

The center is rated down to 56 hz. Without a sub, I am wondering if bass for the center is also directed to the fronts when there is no sub assigned in the speaker setup in the Onkyo. There's no mention of this in the 606 manual, but my older Sony pro logic receiver did that.

Or even without the fronts augmenting the center bass, will I miss anything with this center and no sub in movies?

Thanks, Tim

You should be able to adjust your Frequency crossover points for each speaker . BTW Congrats on your new speakers !
post #11332 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Tim60 View Post

I am buying a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's and an RC-62 II center. These will be powered by an Onkyo 606 100Wx7 HT receiver.

The 82's are efficient and and have bass down to 33 hz. They sound great for stereo music, and I am hoping to not need a sub for home theater. I am not a fan of LFE bass in movies, I just like clean tight musical bass.

You may not need a sub until you hear one with that setup and then you won't be able to do without one...Hope this helps.
post #11333 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

You may not need a sub until you hear one with that setup and then you won't be able to do without one...Hope this helps.

lol So true and at one time many moons ago I felt the same way likeTim60 and then this happen and I havent looked back. Starting with only one of course
post #11334 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Tim60 View Post

I am buying a pair of Klipsch RF-82 II's and an RC-62 II center. These will be powered by an Onkyo 606 100Wx7 HT receiver.

The 82's are efficient and and have bass down to 33 hz. They sound great for stereo music, and I am hoping to not need a sub for home theater. I am not a fan of LFE bass in movies, I just like clean tight musical bass.

The center is rated down to 56 hz. Without a sub, I am wondering if bass for the center is also directed to the fronts when there is no sub assigned in the speaker setup in the Onkyo. There's no mention of this in the 606 manual, but my older Sony pro logic receiver did that.

Or even without the fronts augmenting the center bass, will I miss anything with this center and no sub in movies?

Thanks, Tim

Depends on where you sent the crossover on the center. Personally I think you will be missing out with bass only in the 30s but then again you are not a fan of LFE so maybe you will be ok
post #11335 of 35281
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post
Depends on where you sent the crossover on the center. Personally I think you will be missing out with bass only in the 30s but then again you are not a fan of LFE so maybe you will be ok
So with the center set to a crossover to match the 56 hz low end, and fronts set to large, the receiver with direct center bass to the fronts? That's what I am hoping.

I know most people think that the low 30's is not good enough bass, but the RF-82 II's sounded great with music, running completely flat, no Audyssey Dynamic EQ. This was in a room double the size of my listening room.

I also know that not being overly interested in the LFE bass from Blu-Ray is heresy on this forum , but I find it distracting. It's just me!

Thanks, Tim
post #11336 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler

You may not need a sub until you hear one with that setup and then you won't be able to do without one...Hope this helps.
+1....If you buy a qualty sub and properly set it up w/ your HT receiver you won't look back. Music and efficient speakers might sound good without a sub however, in the media realm of HT, there is no other way to go unless your speakers throughout your 5.1 or what have you have 12"+ drivers and the enclosures to allow LFE effects. That's the reason we have our HT's...to enjoy the movie the way it was meant to be heard!
post #11337 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Tim60 View Post
So with the center set to a crossover to match the 56 hz low end, and fronts set to large, the receiver with direct center bass to the fronts? That's what I am hoping.

I know most people think that the low 30's is not good enough bass, but the RF-82 II's sounded great with music, running completely flat, no Audyssey Dynamic EQ. This was in a room double the size of my listening room.

I also know that not being overly interested in the LFE bass from Blu-Ray is heresy on this forum , but I find it distracting. It's just me!

Thanks, Tim
It might not be you- your use of the word "distracting" suggests that maybe your past experience was with either a poor sub, one not properly integrated, or in a room with annoying peaks in response. A decent sub, properly integrated with your system, will not call attention to itself and will give you the audio content intended.

That said, integrating a sub well requires some effort, and perhaps some additional components. If you're not inclined to go there (which is ok), you're probably better off without one.
post #11338 of 35281
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Originally Posted by Tim60 View Post
So with the center set to a crossover to match the 56 hz low end, and fronts set to large, the receiver with direct center bass to the fronts? That's what I am hoping...

...I also know that not being overly interested in the LFE bass from Blu-Ray is heresy on this forum , but I find it distracting. It's just me!

Thanks, Tim
There is a good chance your center channel won't go down to 56 Hz (In-room) and if you are not running a sub you should run it as "large" because there is no where to direct the lower notes...That being said, if you found a sub distracting it wasn't set up correctly.

Fwiw, I have two huge subs and when the lights are out, you don't even notice where they are in the room because the lower end from my speakers, as well as the LFE, blend seamlessly.

As others have mentioned, placement is everything, but once set up and given you get one that can keep up with your RF-82s, you will be back on here as a convert to a well integrated 5.1 Klipsch Home Theater. Btw, you will notice no one who has had a sub in there HT come on and say they would rather do without one. Good Luck.

EDIT: I forgot that some mfgs AVRS allow the option to direct low end material to the front by selecting "large," and if this is the case, your goal may be achievable but I would still get a sub to take the pressure off of your AVR.
post #11339 of 35281
Yes....give me bass or give me.......
post #11340 of 35281
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Originally Posted by dpc716 View Post

It might not be you- your use of the word "distracting" suggests that maybe your past experience was with either a poor sub, one not properly integrated, or in a room with annoying peaks in response. A decent sub, properly integrated with your system, will not call attention to itself and will give you the audio content intended.

That said, integrating a sub well requires some effort, and perhaps some additional components. If you're not inclined to go there (which is ok), you're probably better off without one.

I agree. I've never owned a sub since my EV's have a -3db @ 28hz. Simply never felt the need. Besides, a sub that is going to keep up with these EV's and more specifically LaScalas is going to have to be a big sub.

Be that as it may... I was once over at a friends house and was listening to his setup (Go Grainger!). He had some tower speakers and a sub in the room. I would have bet you a VERY nice dinner that we were NOT listening to the sub.... until he turned it off.

It absolutely drew no attention to itself. It did not go 'mushaboom' or anything like that. He had obviously spent some time to get things dialed in and it merely added some weight to the music to give it a nice full sound.

probably the best implimentation of a sub I've ever heard. Since then, I've not only been more intrigued about getting a sub but I would want it to work as seamlessly in my situation as he has his.
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