Klipsch owner thread - Page 41

You probably want to try to get the RF-7 horns as close to ear level (sitting on couch) as possible.

I just upgraded my speakers from a cheap Sony HTiB set to Klipsch B-2s for front and surrounds and a C-2 center this weekend. (Best Buy had a sale I couldn't refuse.) They are being driven from a Yamaha HTR-5960. I know they are Klipsch's entry level speakers but it is a major improvement from the dinky Sonys.

Jonathan,

I wouldn't raise them 2' off the floor because as bfenske stated, you want the tweeters at ear level pointed toward you. That would also take away some/most of the bass extension from the floor. If I am understanding your last drawing, you aren't going to be angling the RF-7 toward the listening position and they are going to be in the corners pretty tight...Imo that's not going to be good either given that they are so close to your side walls; also remember they are rear-ported and you want at least 1 1/2 to 2' from the front wall.

If you can angle them and get them away from the front wall, I feel that would be your best option--If you end up too close to the side walls you may be able to use some room treatment to improve sound. Good Luck.

Hi Raymond,

To some Klipsch speakers may be bright, but I don't think those same people would consider them bassy--I could be wrong on this but I never saw that word come up when describing Klipsch speakers.

Insofar as the upper end Klipsch Reference line and previous Legend series I feel the tratrix horns (coupled with their drivers) and enough power to drive them, are crisp and clear on well recorded material and the woofers are very tight when it comes to their bass...Of course when you put a couple of subwoofers in the mix the LF dynamics change drastically in the HT environment and the 2-way speakers are incorporated into a 3-way Sound system and it makes the bass even more tight (and strong) when done right.

I also can imagine when done wrong (i.e., bright room or underpowering) the bass could come out muddy but I don't think "bassy." My 2 cents;-) {edit: My opinion based on upper-end Klipsch speakers}

Some in the older lines might have been a tad bright. The Synergy line still retains that "in your face" characteristic. The Heritage line are a different sound alltogether. The New Reference line is not bright, in fact, some owners of the older Reference lines would describe them as laid back... (and to some, too laid back). It was a decision that the company had to make, and they made it. The new Reference line is not as "in your face" at the upper end, and the mids are better integrated. The lows are very good, (good bass without being artificially boomy). Perception is everything. To some people, Klipsch are bright. To my ear, I've heard other speakers that are brighter and far harsher, though in honesty they were not set properly in their auditioning room, and that makes a huge difference with any speaker. If you want to audition the Synergy line, for example, at BB... don't bother getting your expectations up. The BB stores that I've visited had their speakers in a semi enclosed hard cabinet with the speakers recessed right next to a hard wall and other speakers. Of course they are going to sound harsh in that environment!

hey I have another question for you guys. I currently have 2 cherry rf-7s. My friend has less then a year old cherry RF-15s that are in perfect condition. He's going to sell these for 300 dollars and that seems like a really good deal to me. I was thinking of buying them and using them as the rears in a HT setup. My RF-7s are just running in stereo mode right now. I am also thinking about purchasing an RC-64 center speaker to go with these. I have read on the klipsch forums that several people actually prefer the new center AND prefer the older RF-7s matched together. Since the RF-15s are the same generation as the RF-7s would these be good to use as rears... and do you all think 300 would be a good price? These speakers are in flawless condition.

Thanks!

BTW is the RF-52 the replacement to the RF-15?

Hello Groto,

My opinion would be:

1) Find a deal on the RC-7.
2) Use the extra money you were going to purchase the RC-64 with and skip the RF-15 for $300.
3) Seek a pair of either the RF-5 towers or RB-75 bookshelf speakers for $500 to $650 for surround duty and never feel the need to upgrade again.

I'm not quite certain what is bright or brassy, but:


when I listen to a chopin piano piece on 2 channel music on the RF-82's, the high register (right hand) is painful at really not that high a volume. the KEF 105.4's sound very realistic. no comparison. the klipsch

take a chopin cd with you when you check the speakers.

You really should take the type of music that you prefer to audition speakers. Having said this, I have not heard the brightness described when listening to piano piece on my RF-82. In fact, I often listen to a lot of Enya's music which is pretty demanding in that frequency range and it is always clear but very smooth.

i bought a pair of F3's about a week ago with the matching center...ive noticed it can be very hard to hear voices, especially male voices, in movies at times...these speakers dont seem to have much of a midrange to them at all...anyone else think this or am i crazy?

Do you have the center set up correctly? Most of the talky talk (60-80%) comes out of the center. If you have an Onyko, or some of the others, you have to go back and do setup again.

ya ive got it setup correctly...im starting to think it was a few scences in the hd dvd of 300 that just had low volume on the voices for some reason cuz ive watched a few other movies im very familiar with and i didnt have a problem with the volume on the voices at all...so im thinkin it may have just been 300

I live in the Seattle area and can't seem to find anything close to me to demo/buy Klipsch. Do folks usually purchase online? Does best buy sell these now after acquiring Magnolia?

Yes, BB sells Klipsch. The BBs around here have a pretty good selection, some of the speakers are set up for demos too.

i have onkyo705,with sf2 fronts and 2 ed a2-300 subs. my receiver set fronts at full band. with that much sub what would anyone suggest i set them at? some say small ,receiver doesnt do small, large, just different freq. cutoffs.

Can someone explain the difference between the RF-52 and RF-62 recommended configurations on the Klpsch site. The RF-52s are much closer to my price range and the center channel will fit in my current setup, while the RF-62 will not. I see lots of comments on the 62, but not to many on the 52s. Similarily, how do the F-2s an d F-3s compare to the 52s and 62s? Are they the "lower quality" line? What is better, F-2 or RF-52? I know some of this may be subjective, but I am trying to gather as much information before I go listen to them (assuming I can find them around here).

A related question, given my room configuration, I think I need in-ceiling for the rear speakers, but I can't figure out how to match them. Is there a way you figure out which speakers would match well?

Lastly, I have heard some people say to not get the Klipsch subs and get something else. Is that true or are people generally happy and getting the recommended sub from the various Klipsch configurations?

Thanks in advance for any help/advice!

i am using the C1 and it seems to be alright.

I am not familiar with your Onkyo and if I am understanding your question correctly, I would set your crossover for your main speakers (or whole system) somewhere between 60 Hz to 80 Hz. If you have an "Advanced" feature on your AVR and can set your surrounds and/or center separately, I would consider setting them between 80 Hz to 100 Hz.

did you run

Audyssey MultEQ® XT?

I did for my 7 speaker setup, and let the program and the receiver do the adjusting.

I am running the older KLIPSCH Synergy Series Ones,I have:SF2's in Front,SC2 as my Center and a KSW12 as my Sub.....

I have bose 151's as my surrounds as they were easy to mount and very cheap...(They do sound very tinny though)

I have noticed at low volumes my center doesnt pick up whispering too well or low talking,Dont get me wrong these are very efficient speakers and sound good.

I drive them with a Denon 2802 but on low talking scenes the center just doesnt cut it..If I turn the volume up then once the movie goes back to normal sound its too loud and its the same if I turn just the center up,It will then over power the other speakers...

I know I cant get much for this whole setup as a trade in but I was wondering if there is something better for say a 1000 budget that will give me good low voice volumes and be very efficient in power w/good bass?

Or for the money I cant beat what I already have?

I have heard very very good things about ********** 5.1 packages. you already have a decent subwoofer so you could save money there. The x-series is pretty good and will be probably an awesome bang for your buck. having owned the sc-1 and the synergy in the past I would say the x series by av123 will give you much better sound. they are all custom made with a great warranty.

my biggest beef with the sc-1 was its inability to play voices clearly at lower levels. unfortunately if you upgrade just your center your speakers will be out of whack.

Currently, I am using the Klipsch Quintet speaker system for means of Home Theater audio. I must say that I do rather enjoy the system, however, I am looking for something that has more presence and life in it's performance. I've been considering on replacing the front Left/Right speakers with some a pair of Klipsch Floor Standing speakers. If I do this, I'm going to relocate the previous Left/Right speakers to the back so I can obtain a 7.1 surround field. Note: I do plan on replacing my center channel speaker as well with another Klipsch product. Anyway, is there any advice or suggestions any one can offer me in regards to my ideas (i.e. speakers to use as a replacement to the Left/Right and Center). Or, if you feel I should scrap the system completely and go with something new, please tell me which brand, series, and perhaps why. Last but not least, price isn't to much of an issue but I do not want to go beyond $1600 when my new Denon-3808CI just put me out of pocket damn near $1500.


My Home Theater:
Pioneer PDP-5080
Playstation 3
Playstation 2
Denon-3808CI
Klipsch Quintet 3
Klipsch Synergy 12" Sub-Woofer

Seth,U described my problem exactly but I have a SC-2 not the SC-1...Do u think moving up to just a larger Klipsch Reference (RC-53) or maybe a Synergy III (S-3) center might help me?

Can anyone help me?

I'm looking at the RF-82s in the arrangment Klipsch suggests:

RF-82 Floorstanders
RC-62 Center
RS-52 Surrounds
RSW-10d Subwoofer

Except I'm looking to build a 7.1 system. Any suggestions on side surrounds? I don't know if I want to purchase another pair of RS-52s for those.

Thanks

Hi Sammy_7178,

In a 7.1 configuration the THX consideration would be to put your RS-52 surrounds on the side and put a pair of RB61 bookshelf speakers in the back (within 3 ft of each other). That being said, some like running all direct radiating speakers for surrounds (especially for music) and others like running 2 sets of WDST speakers.

I sit directly in between my side surrounds and prefer direct radiating for both rear and sides. It really depends on the room and your listening preference. IMO if you are using this HT for mostly movies I would consider the RS-52 for sides and RB-61 as rears and play around with it before you make the permanent decision (i.e., keep your receipts/box/packing material and understand the return policy). Good Luck.

Hi 2006gto,

I don't think moving to a Reference center channel would be the way to go although I wouldn't rule out trying a larger Synergy model. Have you done the level matching of your speakers using an SPL meter and your AVR's test tones?

Thanks for the input, Zen Traveler.. I appreciate the help. I will continue to research WDST vs direct radiating speakers.

Is there a rule of thumb for a particular speaker type relative to room size? My HT room will be on the smallish end at 14x14. In this case, would it be worth getting WDST? Or should I just get direct firing for sides and surrounds? If that's the case, which combination of sides & surrounds would go best with the Front/Center/Sub of the RF-82 listed arrangement?

The application of my HT will be mostly for movies and gaming.

Thanks again.

Your center channel speaker may not be the culprit here. It sounds like you're experiencing the effect of wide soundtrack dynamic range in an environment where you either can't or don't want to listen to the soundtrack at relatively high levels. Note that most movie soundtracks copied to consumer media are mixed for playback in movie theaaters at relatively high levels. When you listen to the same soundtracks at home and play them at lower volumes, the louder sounds will be tolerable, but the low level sounds will be lost.

Before you make any speaker changes, I suggest that you check your Denon 2802 manual to see if it has a feature like nightime listening mode or dynamic range compression. The two terms refer to the same feature which will lower the level of loud sounds and raise the level of softer sounds.

Because of your room size, you may actually be better off going with two sets of the WDST surrounds (sides and back). The WDST surrounds are much better with close-wall seat placement. The RB-61's will have a coverage hole issue if your seats are closer than 3' from the back wall. I've often used the WDST's in the back for close rear seat placement in both the Reference line and when building the THX Ultra 2 packages. I'd probably put you into the RS-52's and probably point you towards trying the system in a 5.1 array first. I'd then get you to upgrade your sub choice to the RT-10D. Reason being is that your room dimensions (14 x14...hopefully not with a 7' ceiling) will cause a boatload of standing wave issues and the auto LFE EQ system in the RT-10 will go a long way towards solving your bass problems.