Klipsch owner thread - Page 429

OK, I just wanted to follow up on this post I made a few pages back.

As per the recommendations from several of you, I went with the C-20 center to go with my F-20s, so that my center and fronts match up, both brand and line. I also went with the HSU STF-1 sub. I know some recommended the STF-2, but I honestly don't think I'm going to need the step up, again, I'm a noob at this, I just want a good entry level system. At an entry level price.

So all that stuff is a done deal, and I'm pretty much good to go, for now.

But on to the surrounds. Most of you did recommend just getting the S-20s.

http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Synerg...8570770&sr=1-1

Specifications

Power Handling: 100 W RMS / 400 W Peak
Impedance: 8 ohms compatible
Frequency Response: 83 Hz - 23 KHz
High Frequency Drivers: Dual 1" (2.54cm) Aluminum diaphragm compression driver mated to 90° x 60° square Tractrix® Horn
Low Frequency Drivers: 5.25" (13.3cm), IMG woofer
Sensitivity: 91 dB @ 2.83V / 1m
Inputs: Single binding posts
Dimensions HxWxD (inches): 6.85 x 14.3 x 5.5
Dimensions HxWxD (cm): 17.4 x 36.3 x 13.9
Weight: 7 lbs (3.2 kg)
Finish: Black Ash vinyl

Or maybe looking for s-2s to save money. Didn't really have any luck on that, not many S-2s, and they're always expensive. But what about S-10s:

http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Synerg...=3IBSCBKVAAB8O

Specifications

Power Handling: 50 W RMS / 200 W Peak
Impedance: 8 ohms compatible
Frequency Response: 95 Hz - 23 KHz
High Frequency Drivers: Dual .75" (1.9cm) Aluminum diaphragm compression driver mated to 90° x 60° square Tractrix® Horn
Low Frequency Drivers: 4" (10.2cm), IMG woofer
Sensitivity: 89dB @ 2.83V / 1m
Crossover Point: 2800 Hz
Inputs: Single binding posts
Dimensions HxWxD (inches): 5.6 x 11.8 x 4.6
Dimensions HxWxD (cm): 14.2 x 30 x 11.7
Weight: 5 lbs (2.3 kg)
Finish: Black Ash vinyl

What I want to know is, am I going to be able to tell the difference? Or maybe just "are the S-10s good enough?" Again, remember, I'm a noob. I'm coming from TV speakers. For $330, I'm adding surround to my system. From what I've been told, here and elsewhere, that's probably the least imporant part to a good home theater. So for the extra $150 for the S-20s, what am I "really" getting? Am I going to think the S-10s suck?

I'm almost done, this board has been a great help. I just want an actual reason I can understand to spend that extra $150. What will it buy me?

the Klipsch Forum is more argumentative that what is present here . while there are many very intelligent person here & there . That forum has many Very Set in there ways . i was soundly drummed for modding my Cornwalls by more than a few members over there . It was a sacrilege to do any thing to a set of '77&'78 Cornnies . i got Hate PM 's I kid U not !
this thread is no way a substitute for that forum as well it should not be anyway
we are here to discuss & share info about Klipsch Speakers & what systems work best will those speakers
from entry level, to reference line,Heritage Line, THX line to the high & mighty Palladiums .
discussions bring knowledge & sharing of ideas
as my good friend "ILOVEMYHDTV" says YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THE PICTURE!!

1st off I'd get the bookshelfs the B-20 ,1st & then add the surrounds later when U can afford it

you know that a bookshelf will work as a surround as good & Maybe? better depending on your room the surround u list is expensive cause it has a 2 horns facing different directions & are U aware of that ? if your room is small & U can place the bookshelfs/wall mounted or on stands soo they are aimed off to the side but slightly forward to your listening position but back @ you you will find they will work great
here is the Q&A on surrounds

the bookshefl's are monopole

There are three "common" types of surround speakers available today plus some unique types created by different speaker manufacturers.

"Monopole" speakers consist of a speaker or group of speakers all firing on the same plane in the same direction. This includes the vast majority of all speakers made. What people think of as "normal speakers" are termed Monopole. With regard to current surround sound formats, monopole speakers are the least desirable because they are the least effective in creating an "enveloping sound field" (ambience). They are good at localization, but that alone is not enough to produce the desired surround effect.

If you take a monopole speaker and add another speaker placed 180 degrees opposite of it (i.e. back to back) firing in the same phase, you have a "bipole" speaker. Firing in phase means all drivers on both sides are at the same excursion point at the same time. This creates the exact same sounds coming from both sides of the speaker at the same time. By design, Bipole speakers send no sound directly toward the listener. A bipole speaker will produce good "ambience" as all the sound is reflected off the walls of the room, but is not effective in producing "localized" sounds.

If you take the basic design of a bipole speaker with the rear facing drivers firing exactly opposite of the front, you have a "dipole" speaker. Dipole speakers produce a very diffuse sound, which is good for ambience, but, like bipoles, are not very effective at localization. Dipole design further reduces direct sound to the listening position.

Both bipole and dipole speakers should be mounted on the sides of the listening position and use reflected sound off of the walls to produce their effects. So if monopoles can offer localization but not enveloping ambience, and bi-pole/dipole speakers deliver ambience without localization, what can provide both important characteristics at the same time?

Klipsch produces a unique surround speaker that utilizes a technology called Wide Dispersion Surround Technology (WDST). Each WDST enabled speaker contains two Tractrix® Horn drivers and a woofer. Each horn covers a 90-degree arc and the combination of the two covers a full 180 degrees. This coverage gives excellent ambiance without having to use the walls to reflect sound. The controlled pattern of each horn (what we call "controlled directivity") leads to excellent localization of sounds because there is sound directed at the listening position, regardless of where in the room you are seated. And because the WDST surround speaker does not rely on wall reflections, it can be mounted in many different places in a room, leading to greater flexibility with placement. It is rare to have perfect side-wall positions available due to the placement of doors, drapes, furniture and such. WDST design delivers enveloping ambience WITH localization for the ideal surround sound result AND gives you the flexibility of placement to solve room design problems.

fastslappy-

First of all, thanks again for replying to my questions. Second, holy crap am I confused!!

Starting with just the first sentence for now: "1st off I'd get the bookshelfs the B-20 ,1st & then add the surrounds later when U can afford it "

Get the B-20 in place of what? I have fronts, center, and sub. I'm building a 5.1 system(not going to 7.1).

Are you saying B-20s instead of S-x0s? If so, I understand, and can now try to comprehend the rest of your post.

Thanks!

One more thing, the last part, "add the surrounds later"...maybe my interpretation of what you are saying is way off?

Sweet! Now hand that TV on the wall!

Went to bestbuy the other day and had a listen to klipsch vb-15's and polk tsi100's. The demo area is between aisles, bookshelves cramped on shelves and listening distance restricted to less than 4 feet. Unfortunately, the demo loop only played movie scenes and not any music. I turned off the option of subs to hear the bookshelves better. Didn't see what was powering them. I pointed all speakers towards me as best I could. Definitely not an optimal environment, but hey, it's better than nothing.

The klipsch vb-15 had more liveliness, midrange seemed a tad recessed. When turned up, in the highs I could hear a touch of harshness. One of the scenes that impressed most was a fast and furious scene. The cars and crashing sounding very dynamic. I'm wondering if that harshness in the highs could be tamed with greater listening distance or with EQ'ing. Another thing is the grille can only be removed for the tweeter, very dumb in my opinion.

Polk tsi100 sounded more balanced but was unimpressed by lows, mids, or highs. When switching back and forth, it did seem they were a bit less sensitive and I had to give the volume a bit more to level balance. Insignias, don't know which model, was very unimpressed with those.

Out of all the klipsch however, I'm most interested in listening to the klipsch rb-81 II's. I wonder how much improvement those will be over the vb-15's. I hope the rb-81's would have a better midrange and smoother highs. If so, then I think I would be very pleased with them for home theater.

i was thinking that u would be going in the 7.1 direction any way later down the road & if cost is a big factor it better to stay with the 20 line than drop down to the lower 10 line for a surround .if U can swing the s-20 then get them
but the B20 run @ 280.00 a pair vs 480 for the S20
but I'd not drop to the 10's if I were U

But why? I'm not trying to be difficult, I just want to know what I'm losing with dropping down to the 10s? Am I really going to hear a difference? Or maybe I won't hear it right away, but will notice something as I get used to the system? I'm just looking for something tangible.

Assume that I will NOT be going 7.1, staying with 5.1.

Amyway, so you're saying forget about the B-20s? Basically, in a 5.1 system, the surrounds should be on the side, correct? Or could I use either the B-20s or S-10s for that purpose?

That brings up another issue I'll have I think about, my room consists of a couch(main viewing seating) that's right up against the wall...so I'd need to mount the speakers on the wall or on a stand to the sides, facing towards the couch, correct? Maybe that speaks to what you were talking about the di-pole/bi-pole issues, and Klipsch surrounds speakers(the S-20s, S-10s) using technology that allows flexibility for them. In which case, plopping them on either side of my couch(wall or stands) would be fine?

night & day difference with the RB-81II & even a BR-61II over the VB-15
the VB-15 is bargain basement stuff ,it uses a dome tweeter instead of a compression driver that the 61's & 81's use BIG difference
& that's where the harshness came from

what i'm saying is bookshelves will work as surrounds & if your listening area is ON the back wall (as in coach directly against the wall ) the the s-20's would have to be placed in front of you & then u have one of the horns that is facing away from the listening position (IE; you will not hear it ) by placing a bookshelf(b-20)in that same position aimed directly @ the couch you will get the same sound . See what I mean ?

Wow, you are right. VB-15 uses a dome tweeter and not a compression driver.

the spec's are way different between the S-20 & S-10 they will not be voiced the same
same goes for the B-20 vs B-10

Yes, I think I'm finally getting it. So my arrangement, 5.1 system, couch(main viewing seating) all the way up against back wall, means that I should get the bookshelves, put them on the sides of the couch(speakers or wall), facing directly towards couch.

Getting the s-20s(or s-10s) and placing them on the back wall, facing...wherever? wouldn't work because....well, I don't know if I understand the why/because, but that's OK, I will take your word for it.

Do I finally have it now?

Yeah putting surrounds on the back wall means that the only sound U'd hear from then would be reflected off the side walls & even then it's not reflected back @ your ears
Bookshelves slightly forward of the coach & aimed back @ you directly (line of sight ) , you would hear the full effect of the speaker not reflected off anything .

Hello Klipsch owners! I'm a noob to the forums, though I've been reading them for a while. I'm currently in the market for new equipment, and I wanted to see if I could get some feedback on my choices. I just ordered the Klipsch Synergy F-30 Floorstanding speakers (2 for 1 at NewEgg), and I wanted to purchase the rest of the Synergy speakers (C-20, S-20's for surround, B-20's for rear surround), but I wanted to get the Klipsch Sub-12HG. That shouldn't be a problem, should it?

My main concern is that the receiver I've chosen is the Denon AVR-891. Since I've heard some strange things about pairing Denon with Klipsch, I wanted to get some feedback first. Are there any issues of pairing this receiver with these speakers that anyone knows of? Specs wise, I don't think the Denon will have trouble powering these, am I right? Any feedback will be greatly appreciated!

I'm an Onkyo fan myself soo I'd be only be able to comment on them & I've had great success with Both Onkyo's & Klipsch

Get whatever subwoofer you want that meets your bass needs, doesn't have to be klipsch. What strange things about denon and klipsch have you heard? Basically when choosing an avr you should look for ones with features that you need. Your speakers look like it will need different crossover points for mains, center, and surrounds. You should probably look at denon, onkyo, and harman kardon since they offer this.

Get the denon 891 if you want audyssey multeq and a nice on screen display. Onkyo 708/270 should be similar to denon as it has audyssey as well but has preouts for adding an amp if desired. Bad thing about audyssey is limited tweaking after room correction. Harman kardon 2600 has poor room correction ability but has Dolby Volume which is considered the best dynamic volume control if you care about this at all. Pioneer and yamaha receivers use single crossover. With those speakers, I would probably give the denon 891 a try.

I've been an Onkyo fan myself (my current receiver is an Onkyo), but I've heard rave things about Denon, and that the Onkyos have some issues with HDMI video and the PS3, plus the AVR-891 is currently $499 on Amazon.

What would the Onkyo equivalent of the 891 be? Because it does seem like Onkyo and Klipsch are the best pair to go with!

Is there any possible way to connect my Klipsch wireless computer speakers via external usb card, to my 46" LCD television? I have Dish Network hooked up already, with DVR receiver.

probably the 708

+1

Thanks csgamer and nezff!

Well, the few times I've read about both Klipsch and Denon in the same sentence, I also read people complaining how those two "sound flat" when combined, or "too noisy," and I've hardly read of them being combined with praise. I know they're both great, though! But I do read a lot more about Klipsch with Onkyos and even Yamahas.

I'm really curious about trying Denon, though since I've heard great things about them in general, and I've heard that they have excellent video processors, while other receivers have been reported to have handshake problems with the PS3 (my Blu-Ray player) via HDMI. But I am checking out the Onkyo 708 and it looks very good, just slightly pricier than the Denon.

Again, thank you very much for your feedback!

You should also take a look at the onkyo 270 which I believe is very similar to the 708 but lacking a couple features, I forget which, you may be able to find it for cheaper.

Just got confirmation. My RF-7s arrive tomorrow. My new set shall be complete!

Hurrah!

Thanks again. Just ordered the B-20s. Glad I ended up with a better speaker for my needs and spent less money.

I'm a little worried about my Denon/Klipsch combination after reading the last few posts of this thread, but hopefully it's not an issue for me.

dont be..

Congrats...you shall be pleased, I am still waiting for my tax money to do my side surrounds-or the money I loaned the government for a year interest free.

Yeah...Everyone here seems to be on the same page.

Jetson23 I am running a Denon 3808ci/Emotiva XPA-3 with my Klipsch and they all get along wonderfully

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