Klipsch owner thread - Page 514

Originally Posted by Mupi

RF82 uses 2 8" drivers so it isn't a proper match for neither the RC52 or RC62, technically speaking. Both RC52 and 62 use the same tweeter. The main difference is in the slight extension in the lower range on the RC62 which isn't a big advantage at all. The conversions do not go below some 400Hz unless it is Barry White! So RC62 has no real advantage over RC52.

The guy does not have a sub. That is why I made the suggestion of using BOTH option. So for him sending the LFE to the fronts is the best option. He lives in an apt. So sub is just unnecessary when the fronts can go down to the 30's. Even if he moves out to a house and adds a sub later, there is no need for RC62. Sensitivity of RC52 is rated as 96db which is plenty to drive using his Yamaha AVR.

Just save the money on the RC52 II and set the fronts as LARGE and sub out as BOTH on the Yamaha AVR. You will be fine.

Originally Posted by Nosferatu

I never heard the F30 speakers. I've only really listened to the Reference line. What size room are you filling? Mostly music? Mostly movies? Mix? I can tell you I like my setup and for my ears and so forth I love this system. I'll list prices new but can be had for less used.

Front: Klipsch RB61 ($529)
Center: Klipsch RC52 ($330)
Subwoofer: Outlaw LFM1-EX ($552)
Surrounds: Def Tech ProMonitor ($290)
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$1701 for a 5.1 speaker system that I think sounds ridiculous for a 24x14 room.

You can get them for cheaper if you find them used.

Originally Posted by Mupi

When you cross over at 80Hz or 90Hz, does it matter? as there is not going to be much at 57Hz (low end for RC62) and 67Hz (low end for RC52). Sensitivity of one is 96db and the other is 98db. You can always compensate for the level compared to RF82 by bumping up the center channel a few db.

He lives in a apt and he is not going to be playing at 90 or 100db level. Any thing more than some 70db guys like me will be calling 911 :-). I cant believe you guys have LFM-1 EX and RF82 in an apt. Your neighbors must be very tolerant! When I lived in an apt I didn't even like the neighbors playing TV very loud.

Anyway...I am no longer the "Reference Series" owner as I am moving to the vintage KG series.

Originally Posted by jconjason

Here are the F-30s...
http://www.klipsch.com/f-30-home-theater-system

Mostly for movies, not into music that much but will stream some FLAC files maybe once a month but thats not a big issue.. blurays are my main interest. Room isnt that big. My current Panny HTIB annoys the hell out of my other home dwellers, so I am sure a real set up will do even more damage :-)

I will look into what you suggested. Does the F-30 set look decent too(I can get it for $1700)? I know you said youre not familiar with it though...

Thank you!!!

Originally Posted by Reference_head

It's not only about hz and dbs. Even at 70db the rc-62 will have a much bigger sound, and the voice will fill the room better.

Originally Posted by Nosferatu

looks nice but from what I understand the Reference line is a better lineup than the Synergy series. I did a quick google search after looking up your speakers and it seems to compare the Reference lineup to the Synergy I got the following...

- The Synergy series uses aluminum dome tweeters where as the Reference series uses titanium diaphragm compression drivers. Titanium being considered better by some.
- Synergy uses injection modeled graphite (IMG) polymer woofers where as the RF line uses Klipsch's patented Cerametallic technology. I think the Cerametallic is stiffer yet still fairly light weight.
- Synergy is slightly less efficient, but not by much.
- If you like the look of wood grain you won't find it in the synergy line.
- The synergy line's floor standers are all front ported where as the RF line is rear ported.
- The synergy bookshelves are rear ported and the RF bookshelves are front ported on the 61 and 81.
- The RF line digs a little deeper in the bass department but not by much.
- Personal listening experience, the RF line sounds a little crisper and more refined, although both do sound very good.

Originally Posted by robc1976

That is absolutely correct...I went from a RC-52II to a RC-62II and the difference was night and day.

Originally Posted by robc1976

Wich of the following do you guys think would make better height channels for Audyssey DSX?

Originally Posted by ravenous

I have a system concisting of RF-82 II, RC-62 II and 4ea RS-62 II. I recently upgraded from the older RB-82, RC-62 and RS-52s.

The RC-62 II is a perfect match for the RF-82 II and as hight channels i would go for the Series II Speaker and not the RSX because of the same horn design and the closer match of the crossover which is audible. For the same reason i would recommend an upgrade of the S2s to the RS-52 II or RS-62 II.

Originally Posted by Louis Bartay

Ditto The 62II matched my rear RS3-II much better. The 62II had more voice then the 52 did in my small den.

Originally Posted by robc1976

Sound seemed deeper and a lot more defined in my big room even. I am thinking of getting the RC-64II.

Originally Posted by Reference_head

It’s not only about hz and dbs. Even at 70db the rc-62 will have a much bigger sound, and the voice will fill the room better. Crossing over at 80 Hz still leaves 19,920frequencies to reproduce (the center does way more than just the voice). Look at subwoofers if you have a small sealed box you would need thousands of watts to have the same amount of bass as a huge box with a small 350 watt amp (same quality parts of course). As I have said before if all things are equal (like driver quality box materials ect) the big box will always outperform the smaller one in every way. And not just for frequencies fewer than 100 Hz. Speakers sound there best when running effortlessly. Just like the sub example the same is true with everything else. A small speaker with the same quality’s will always be working harder in a smaller box to reproduce the same big sound. That goes for a lot more than just under 100 Hz. I know most of our posts are opinion based, But these are just speaker facts. Another great example is a movie theater. They have huge main speakers in front behind the screen. If what you say is true that it don’t really matter (because you crossover at 80 Hz) they would just use the same small speakers they use on the side and rear walls in the front.

Originally Posted by BIT RATE MASTER

Mupi you seem extremely misinformed on your klipsch. Starting with a few pages back i cannot even remember what it was something about the rb-81 sounding just as good as rf-82 if you had a sub. Then onto plugging ports in the rf-82??? Finally recommending the rc-52 with the rf-82 because they have the same tweeter. Yikes man, YIKES

Originally Posted by jserna

I have just inherited barely used (3) 5650's square in-walls and 4 3650's c in ceilings. My room size is 13x13 viewing...but behind the 13ft viewing area I have another 5 ft of entry way...so to get to my point...I am looking at doing a surround sound for my tv and using the fronts L and R 5650's and 2 of the 3650's placed elsewhere in the house to run music. My question is I need a sub and a receiver...any klipsch advise would be welcomed. My budget is no more than $1000 bucks for both the receiver and subs. Lastly, would some sort of speaker selector also be needed when playing whole house audio? Thanks in advance for your response and knowledge of the Klipsch line.
John

Originally Posted by Mupi

I guess you guys are just taking bits and pieces from my posts, taking the context out.

I didn't say that RC-64 is a waste of money. If someone had KG5.2 system (which I presume was the situation) then there was no need to spend all that money on RC-64 as they could just get used KG4.2 or 3.2 and use it as center. I do own the KG4.2's so I know how they sound. You could get a KG 4.2 or 3.2 in very good shape for a couple of 100 bucks.

If the bass from RF-82 is too boomy in an apt., plugging the ports is not a bad idea. Ports can be used to tune the bass just like ports on subs are used to tune the bass. With the ports open you get more output. For an apt that may be overwhelming so plugging the ports is not a bad idea. He is not going to play at reference level in an apt. and the Yamaha room correction which he would use is not going to a better job of EQ-ing than a separate sub EQ. So plugging the ports for apt. use isn't a crazy idea.

For a small room in an apartment, there is no need to spend a lot of money to go with RC-62. Hence the suggestion for RC-52. RF82 is already too much for an apt. So RC-52 is just good enough for an apt. unless he wants to piss off all the neighbors, which he will do anyway with the RF82!

I have owned both RB81 and RF-82 and in my room I saw no advantage in using RF82 as I am not EQ-ing the full range. I use the Antimode 8033 so for me using the RB81 with a sub and sub EQ gave a better bass than RF82. I am not asking everyone not to buy RF82 and instead use RB81 with a sub. To me output is not the priority. In my room, small speakers with a sub and separate sub EQ work better due to room modes and placement.

I suggest that you guys look at the context. They are all not general statements. Just because bigger speakers work for someone, it does not mean that they work for everyone in all situations. There is a reason why I am using Magnepan MG12's with a sub and separate sub EQ and sold the RF82's.

My opinions are based on my situation. If your situation is not exactly the same, you don't have to consider my opinions when you want to buy something. No need to ridicule the opinions of others. After all they are not based on HTIB!

Originally Posted by Mupi

For a small room in an apartment, there is no need to spend a lot of money to go with RC-62. Hence the suggestion for RC-52. RF82 is already too much for an apt. So RC-52 is just good enough for an apt. unless he wants to piss off all the neighbors, which he will do anyway with the RF82!

Originally Posted by Mupi

I have owned both RB81 and RF-82 and in my room I saw no advantage in using RF82 as I am not EQ-ing the full range. I use the Antimode 8033 so for me using the RB81 with a sub and sub EQ gave a better bass than RF82. I am not asking everyone not to buy RF82 and instead use RB81 with a sub. To me output is not the priority. In my room, small speakers with a sub and separate sub EQ work better due to room modes and placement.

Originally Posted by StuBerger

Well, I just got my hand slapped for asking Mupi if he was on meds...sheeesh

I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry if I offended you.

:-)