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post #18841 of 35287
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

But remember your speakers aren't getting the full 130 with all channels driven. More like 95.

If that much. I have forgotten where I saw it but one of the audio magazines
did a bench test on several AVR. One was my old 2003 non HDMI Yamaha RX-V2400 7.1 AVR rated at 130X7 (I think) and it only bench tested about 55 wpc with all 7 amps on at one time. I was suprised how much I was really getting out it. And on stereo and 2 amps on it tested 80wpc sigh. I am glad I have old school Klipsch speakers that don't need a lot of power.
post #18842 of 35287
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A mere 1 dB difference...

I agree but I was merely informing him about that
post #18843 of 35287
I would only be using 5.1channels not the 7.1 and I am also using a HSU sub so all the bass is being managed thru the sub. Would this make a difference on providing more power to the Klipsch speakers?
post #18844 of 35287
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Originally Posted by jjclecky View Post

I would only be using 5.1channels not the 7.1 and I am also using a HSU sub so all the bass is being managed thru the sub. Would this make a difference on providing more power to the Klipsch speakers?

Yeah set the crossover @ 80
that will save on power usage to all the channels
post #18845 of 35287
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Yeah set the crossover @ 80
that will save on power usage to all the channels

Thanks, good advice.
post #18846 of 35287
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Yeah set the crossover @ 80
that will save on power usage to all the channels

Anyway to know how many watts I would be saving by using 5.1 80hz crossover and a dedicated sub? I'm really trying to avoid having to get a more powerful AVR, but on the flip side I want to be able to get the most from these speakers. Thanks
post #18847 of 35287
Hey guys I had a question regarding some Klipsch Quintet SL speakers.

I was wondering if it is possible to just use 3 speakers from the Klipsch Quintet SL home theater system?

I have an opportunity to buy the center and two front speakers at $160. Is it ok to just use this 3 speakers as my home theater system? I was thinking of having the center speaker under the projector screen and the two front standing speakers in the back. Would this be fine?
I ordered a new Denon AVR-1612 as my receiver. is buying a new sub absolutely necessary for this to work? (I am not an audiophile, this will be used to watch movies mostly and play ps3 games via epson 8350 projector). if so, can I use a sub that comes with Klipsch ProMedia 4.1?

Currently my Klipsch ProMedia 4.1 is no longer powering up. I believe the power source on the sub is messed up. If i can get it working, it would not be a problem correct?
post #18848 of 35287
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

In that case, you might be surprised! But it's all about how much space you have.

The best speakers I have ever heard for imaging are Klipschorns and La Scala. Mine disappear completely from the room. You'd swear that the center speaker is playing. You discover that they are two guitars being played instead of one on some recordings and can "see" theirs strings being plucked from two different spots in front of you. Voices hang in the air. But... to achieve that with La Scala, they need to be placed as you would Klipschorns: wide separation and 45 degree toe-in. Spread them out in the corners of an 18 foot wall, tow them in and sit at the crosshairs, 9 feet from the front wall, and they will image like that. Good luck!

X1
Kind of Like this... 18' apart towed in 30 degrees naturally to the shape of the stage
LL
post #18849 of 35287
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Originally Posted by jjclecky View Post

Anyway to know how many watts I would be saving by using 5.1 80hz crossover and a dedicated sub? I'm really trying to avoid having to get a more powerful AVR, but on the flip side I want to be able to get the most from these speakers. Thanks

If you are using more than two channels, most avrs drop in the wattage department.
post #18850 of 35287
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

If you are using more than two channels, most avrs drop in the wattage department.

Your set up is sweeeeet. You did a great job.
post #18851 of 35287
*duplicate post from join and post your speakers thread*

I just recently got my Klipsch system all set up. I'm loving it so far =^)

Fronts-RF-82 II
Center-RC-62 II
Surround-RS-62 II
Rear surround-RB-81 II
Sub - SW-115
AVR - Onkyo TX-SR706



post #18852 of 35287
Hello everyone, I thought I would post on here to see if anyone would have advise where to get ahold of RF 7 II drivers/woofers.... other than Klipsch, as I will expalin.

I have a pair of Klipsch KG 5.5's that I plan on re-doing the cabinets this summer as my project. I have replaced the tweeters & cross overs with Bob Crites so I thought I would go just a bit further as to replace the drivers as well. The drivers are in decent shape as they sound & work fine but I thought I would give them a little "face lift" as to use the RF 7II's drivers ( not the RF 7 thou ). I know thats sounds a bit crazy but I thought if I'm going to go to the extent of redoing the cabinets inside & out I would make them the way I want .

I talked to Klipsch as they mentioned they cant/wont sell me the RF 7 II drivers as I dont own a pair of them ... ok??? I found a site that carries the RF 7 drivers but not the 2's so I thought I would ask if anyone knows of a site that has the 2's.

Thanks... Jeff
post #18853 of 35287
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Originally Posted by radi4fun View Post

Hey guys I had a question regarding some Klipsch Quintet SL speakers.

I was wondering if it is possible to just use 3 speakers from the Klipsch Quintet SL home theater system?

I have an opportunity to buy the center and two front speakers at $160. Is it ok to just use this 3 speakers as my home theater system? I was thinking of having the center speaker under the projector screen and the two front standing speakers in the back. Would this be fine?
I ordered a new Denon AVR-1612 as my receiver. is buying a new sub absolutely necessary for this to work? (I am not an audiophile, this will be used to watch movies mostly and play ps3 games via epson 8350 projector). if so, can I use a sub that comes with Klipsch ProMedia 4.1?

Currently my Klipsch ProMedia 4.1 is no longer powering up. I believe the power source on the sub is messed up. If i can get it working, it would not be a problem correct?

You can, but a less-than-one-cubic-foot computer sub for a projection HT? Really?
post #18854 of 35287
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Originally Posted by skally View Post

Hello everyone, I thought I would post on here to see if anyone would have advise where to get ahold of RF 7 II drivers/woofers.... other than Klipsch, as I will expalin.

I have a pair of Klipsch KG 5.5's that I plan on re-doing the cabinets this summer as my project. I have replaced the tweeters & cross overs with Bob Crites so I thought I would go just a bit further as to replace the drivers as well. The drivers are in decent shape as they sound & work fine but I thought I would give them a little "face lift" as to use the RF 7II's drivers ( not the RF 7 thou ). I know thats sounds a bit crazy but I thought if I'm going to go to the extent of redoing the cabinets inside & out I would make them the way I want .

I talked to Klipsch as they mentioned they cant/wont sell me the RF 7 II drivers as I dont own a pair of them ... ok??? I found a site that carries the RF 7 drivers but not the 2's so I thought I would ask if anyone knows of a site that has the 2's.

Thanks... Jeff

The KG 5.5 and RF-7 likely don't have the same design parameters. You can't just swap one for the other and expect it to sound good without changes to cabinet volume, crossover frequency and design.
post #18855 of 35287
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

The KG 5.5 and RF-7 likely don't have the same design parameters. You can't just swap one for the other and expect it to sound good without changes to cabinet volume, crossover frequency and design.

Thanks for the reply, I do understand where you are comming from as there is a few "dynamics" per say involved its just I thought I would try to incorperate the drivers into the KGs. As I had a chance to open the KGs I noticed room for improvement... there is no bracing, structure or anything inside as its just an empty shell... major room for improvement IMO. I tend to experiment with a few Ideas I have for the inside is all. . Anyhow, it is just a thought as I tend to make it a rebuild project this summer.
post #18856 of 35287
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Originally Posted by djsoular@hotmail View Post


Props... looks like a nice sounding system
post #18857 of 35287
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Originally Posted by skally View Post

Thanks for the reply, I do understand where you are comming from as there is a few "dynamics" per say involved its just I thought I would try to incorperate the drivers into the KGs. As I had a chance to open the KGs I noticed room for improvement... there is no bracing, structure or anything inside as its just an empty shell... major room for improvement IMO. I tend to experiment with a few Ideas I have for the inside is all. . Anyhow, it is just a thought as I tend to make it a rebuild project this summer.

By all means, go ahead with bracing!
post #18858 of 35287
KHorns/La Scala,

My interest has been piqued lately about these beasts. I keep hearing advice related to the wide separation recommended. It seems that 18 feet comes up a lot. My front wall is only 15 feet. I currently have RF-83's and I am building a dedicated HT with Front Projection. I am having the room layout service done through AVS and I will see what they recommend.

So how much separation is ideal? And how much can you get by with? Must they be flush with the corners or can you bring them out into the room a bit? I was planning to have a false wall and I would not want the speakers to have any part of the screen blocking the horn. Other placement concerns I should know about? It is kind of a long shot for me but I can't help but want to know more about these speakers.
post #18859 of 35287
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Originally Posted by skally View Post

Thanks for the reply, I do understand where you are comming from as there is a few "dynamics" per say involved its just I thought I would try to incorperate the drivers into the KGs. As I had a chance to open the KGs I noticed room for improvement... there is no bracing, structure or anything inside as its just an empty shell... major room for improvement IMO. I tend to experiment with a few Ideas I have for the inside is all. . Anyhow, it is just a thought as I tend to make it a rebuild project this summer.


I would think that unless you redesigned the crossover, incorporating the RF-7ii bass drivers into the KG-5.5's would probably not sound right. I have no idea if you would get an improvement, or make them sound worse. You might try getting ahold of Dennis Murphy and ask him to help you treat the crossover, or, perhaps Bob Crites would be somewhat helpful in doing this. (although, I would rather have Dennis doing this, as opposed to Bob). Good luck! And please keep us updated!
post #18860 of 35287
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

Props... looks like a nice sounding system

I appreciate it
post #18861 of 35287
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

KHorns/La Scala,

My interest has been piqued lately about these beasts. I keep hearing advice related to the wide separation recommended. It seems that 18 feet comes up a lot. My front wall is only 15 feet. I currently have RF-83's and I am building a dedicated HT with Front Projection. I am having the room layout service done through AVS and I will see what they recommend.

So how much separation is ideal? And how much can you get by with? Must they be flush with the corners or can you bring them out into the room a bit? I was planning to have a false wall and I would not want the speakers to have any part of the screen blocking the horn. Other placement concerns I should know about? It is kind of a long shot for me but I can't help but want to know more about these speakers.

My room was about 16' wide and because of the (wife mandated) layout of the room, there was a table right smack dab in the sweet spot (Khorns).

Do some layout... 45 degree angles in from the corners puts you where, 7-10 feet back from the front wall? Is that going to work?

I made it work for me but I lived with compromises. I rotated the tops a bit to help but it only did that....helped.

Here's another tidbit for you. (Preface, I had ALK extreme slope crossovers in them)... I stumbled onto the fact that at about 30' of measured distance, the Khorns took on an entirely different (better) quality of sound. I call it "one voice" where the coherency of the speaker was as a single point source. I did not detect this quality in the room.

Long story short, I later learned that it was because of them being 3 way and I also suppose the extreme slope crossovers added a bit of time (therefore distance) for the three horns to melt into a perceived single wave front.

Out with the Khorns, in with the Jubilee's and soon, I was going to this 30' spot to hear how much better they sounded at the same 30' distance.

I was initially let down that they didn't sound any better..... until I put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Being a 2-way speaker, a crossover point was dropped and now, the speakers didn't require the 30' of distance to merge into a single voice. This single voice now happened 7-10 feet away from the speaker.

The net result is, I was now hearing the 'single voice' of the speakers while being IN the room with them whereas, to hear this same higher quality of sound with my ES Khorns, I had to be 30' away from them.

Noticed the same thing when I took my single (also ES crossover) LaScala outside. After about 25 feet, it became a point source of sound.

All that said... I am of course, a fan-boy of the bass horn loaded offerings so take anything I say with a grain of salt.

post #18862 of 35287
Mine are placed 17.5' apart and I'm very pleased. LaScalas are more flexible in placement, and when crossed to a sub, give nothing up to the Khorns. Or very little anyway....
post #18863 of 35287
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

KHorns/La Scala,

My interest has been piqued lately about these beasts. I keep hearing advice related to the wide separation recommended. It seems that 18 feet comes up a lot. My front wall is only 15 feet. I currently have RF-83's and I am building a dedicated HT with Front Projection. I am having the room layout service done through AVS and I will see what they recommend.

So how much separation is ideal? And how much can you get by with? Must they be flush with the corners or can you bring them out into the room a bit? I was planning to have a false wall and I would not want the speakers to have any part of the screen blocking the horn. Other placement concerns I should know about? It is kind of a long shot for me but I can't help but want to know more about these speakers.

Call me guilty for perpetuating 18 feet. They sound great to me at that separation and like headphones at 11 feet. 15 feet would be somewhere in the middle!

With the 45 degree toe-in of the KHorns, the sweet spot would be 7.2 feet from your front wall. Way too close for HT. Put La Scala in the corners and toe them in about 30 degrees (like scooterdog showed above) and that would be great! It would still leave you with about 10 feet wide to tuck in a screen with the La Scala on either side.
post #18864 of 35287
Well, 115" wide is what I am currently shooting for so that would be perfect after giving a few inches up for the border.

How about La Scala clones (or similar) if I can't afford the real thing? I have a friend who is into woodworking and this might be the kind of challenge he is looking for. He has built speakers in the past though not recently.
post #18865 of 35287
I doubt you could build a clone for the prices in the used market. I bet $600 can find a good pair of LS with a little patience.
post #18866 of 35287
Whoa! That sounds pretty cheap.

Love your build thread. It looks like you came from Ultra 2's. You were having problems with shrill highs at first. Have not read through the whole thing. 59 pages! So how about a comparison now that they are dialed in. Did you get a different center?

Edit: Ah I see that you added another La Scala circa 1975.....
post #18867 of 35287
Get your friend to building you a subwoofer, either a Tuba HT or a Cinema F20 or a SPUD. Find some La Scala on the used market, and think about getting three of them with an AT screen (or split out the mid and tweeter horns from the bass bin)
post #18868 of 35287
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Get your friend to building you a subwoofer, either a Tuba HT or a Cinema F20 or a SPUD. Find some La Scala on the used market, and think about getting three of them with an AT screen (or split out the mid and tweeter horns from the bass bin)

+1 on all counts. The f20 and tht are pretty similar in performance. The differences come when building. The tht will have a larger footprint, but not take up as much real estate vertically. The f20 will be a much easier build. I like the idea of the la scallas with a f20 in each corner. Those plus a ep2000 and you'll have wattage to spare and a ton of output, all at well under $1000. Actually the 2 f20's could be done at or below $750 with the ep2000.
post #18869 of 35287
I have the THT and can guarantee if built correctly it is an absolutely great sub.
post #18870 of 35287
I attended the KC blind Sub test at Archaea's and I really loved the SubM. I also thought the DIY dual opposed sounded similar but ran out of juice. So I thought I would do 4 cabs with 2 MFW-15's each dual opposed with the Dayton SA1000 modified by Seaton and Motor City.

So I tracked down a guy with 4 of them that he never put together. It turns out he also has 2 DTS-10's and I could go that way as well. One of them has an air leak that he can't find.

I have not been able to listen to a DTS-10 so I am still up in the air on the subs. I have listened to the Orbit Shifter at the meet and that is my only experience with a horn sub. Needless to say it was mind blowing when he let them go at the end of the meet.

Are you guys suggesting horn subs bc it will blend better with my horn speakers? Or just because it would be cool to have an all horn system. Is there a sound quality preference?
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