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post #19021 of 22377
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Nah I was thinking of the double bin CornScala bass section, with the K-510 &/or K-402 on top , just for the space savings that a set of direct radiators offer
that MWM bin is just too big for my room L O L ...

In that case, Klipsch does manufacture it: KPT-535-T

post #19022 of 22377
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

If I went the JubScala route, I'd always feel like I bumped up my top end at the expense of my bottom end. I think I'd have to go all out with the Jubilee.

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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

have you seen the Jubscala with 2 bass bins that have 15" woofers in each ?
IIRC the Jubilee's have only dual 12" woofers .

Maybe only 12", but horn-loaded they squeak out one dB more in sensitivity than the direct radiator dual 15" bass bin. Plus, once you have tasted horn-loaded bass, there's no going back (at least for me there isn't; I built a horn-loaded sub to match!)
post #19023 of 22377
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

If I went jubilee, it would be a Klipsch manufactured product!

Not sure if we can talk price here, but if anyone knows the price of the Klipsch built Jubilee can you PM me or post it up?

I read somewhere it was $3,500 per speaker. Is that accurate? Blink once for yes, twice for no...

I know AVS sells Klipsch now, do you guys carry the Jubilee or any other of the Cinema line?
post #19024 of 22377
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Anyone at least know if anyone with the Jubilees?

Here's a thread on the Klipsch forum with most locations.

http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/p/1...4.aspx#1474234

If you want to contact one of them, let me know.
post #19025 of 22377
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

here are many variations to the JubeScala as it's "Not" actually a Klipsch MFG'ed speaker
just as there are many variations of a CornScala
BUT let's not start a argument ..

As the person who came up with the idea of a JubeScala, it came from the realization that the LaScala bottom end went higher than the Khorn bass bin. Therefore, the LaScala bottom end could be mated with the K402 (or K510) and be used as a center channel.

As an early adopter of the Jubilee, I was specificially interested in a center channel and asked Roy about it. A year later, he had it all ironed out.

Others might have altered the idea but that was the original idea.

It is not a Klipsch SKU item but it is otherwise 100% Klipsch engineered.
post #19026 of 22377
How much does the k-402 horn go for, straight from Klipsch? I wonder how much it would cost in parts to build a JubScala?
post #19027 of 22377
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Not sure if we can talk price here, but if anyone knows the price of the Klipsch built Jubilee can you PM me or post it up?

I read somewhere it was $3,500 per speaker. Is that accurate? Blink once for yes, twice for no...

I know AVS sells Klipsch now, do you guys carry the Jubilee or any other of the Cinema line?


PM sent (with undisclosed number of blinks)
post #19028 of 22377
Coytee ; what your crossover look like ? any specs to one ? I'd like to build a JubeScala with a Cornwall type bass bin ..
post #19029 of 22377
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

How much does the k-402 horn go for, straight from Klipsch? I wonder how much it would cost in parts to build a JubScala?


Official answer: I don't know and anyone interested in actually ordering a pair should contact Roy Delgado at Klipsch (there are a number of people that can direct you to that goal, me included)

That said, I would expect them to be at/under $1,200 per unit. This would be the horn lens itself with the tweeter driver K69 attached. The entire assembly is then attached to a stand. The horn is literally plug & play ready. Open box, pull entire thing out, set where you want it & hook it up and play.

In my fairly ignorant opinion, the K402 is probably the part that makes the home run. The K402 sounds stupendous when sitting on top of the Jubilee bass bin. The K402 also sounds stupendous when sitting on top of a LaScala bass bin, MWM bass bin, double 15" bass bin or the quad 15" bass bin.

Heck, it would probably sound great sitting on top of (crushing) a bose bass module....
post #19030 of 22377
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Maybe only 12", but horn-loaded they squeak out one dB more in sensitivity than the direct radiator dual 15" bass bin. Plus, once you have tasted horn-loaded bass, there's no going back (at least for me there isn't; I built a horn-loaded sub to match!)

Interesting point... I was once passing through Hope and a couple of us stopped in and had a visit with Roy.

One thing he did for us was a brief audition. I don't know the bass bin part number but we compared the Jubilee/K402 to the quad 15" bass bin with the K402 on top.

It was a pretty even comparison.

The point that he was trying to teach was he can take two 12" drivers & horn load them and absolutely go toe to toe with a larger box with four 15" drivers.

It was a very interesting experience.
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Coytee ; what your crossover look like ? any specs to one ? I'd like to build a JubeScala with a Cornwall type bass bin ..

My crossover is the active crossover. The passive belongs to Rigma. I don't remember if the two pictures of his are of the same unit or of the version for the K69 driver followed with the revised version for the TAD driver.

Either way, he built them to be showpieces and cost no object. He's got about $3,000 in parts alone in them.

My Dx38 cost me about $1,200 new (they don't make them anymore) and when I got my TAD's, all I had to do was reprogram it. Rigma built another pair of passives just about as expensive as the first.
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post #19032 of 22377
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Originally Posted by coytee View Post

My crossover is the active crossover. The passive belongs to Rigma. I don't remember if the two pictures of his are of the same unit or of the version for the K69 driver followed with the revised version for the TAD driver.

Either way, he built them to be showpieces and cost no object. He's got about $3,000 in parts alone in them.

My Dx38 cost me about $1,200 new (they don't make them anymore) and when I got my TAD's, all I had to do was reprogram it. Rigma built another pair of passives just about as expensive as the first.

Awsome networks. And the other pic with quad woofers.... WOW. I never did get to listen to the 402 horns, the member near me in Arlington had water damage a few monhs ago and we never heard back from him. From what I have read it might be a good thing I did not listen to these horns. I have such a small den my Cornwalls sound awsome after them being in a huge room for so many years.
post #19033 of 22377
Okay, well I just wanted to let everyone know I was extremely pleased buying my Klipsch speakers (and M40 headphones) from Sound Distributors. Eric was quick and straightforward in answering all my questions and gave me a good deal on the entire order. It was more than an unexpected pleasure. I wish it could be like this more often.

I purchased the RB-61 II home theater speakers and an SW-310 subwoofer.
post #19034 of 22377
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Originally Posted by scrapser View Post

Okay, well I just wanted to let everyone know I was extremely pleased buying my Klipsch speakers (and M40 headphones) from Sound Distributors. Eric was quick and straightforward in answering all my questions and gave me a good deal on the entire order. It was more than an unexpected pleasure. I wish it could be like this more often.

I purchased the RB-61 II home theater speakers and an SW-310 subwoofer.

Great News That Your Happy !
thanx for getting back to Us ...
post #19035 of 22377
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Awsome networks. And the other pic with quad woofers.... WOW. I never did get to listen to the 402 horns, the member near me in Arlington had water damage a few monhs ago and we never heard back from him. From what I have read it might be a good thing I did not listen to these horns. I have such a small den my Cornwalls sound awsome after them being in a huge room for so many years.

I talked to him about this a short while back (month or so) and he's still planning on having a get together again. So don't lose hope, there is still time to be corrupted.
post #19036 of 22377
When does Klipsch release their new products. What time of year
post #19037 of 22377
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Originally Posted by coytee View Post

I talked to him about this a short while back (month or so) and he's still planning on having a get together again. So don't lose hope, there is still time to be corrupted.

Cool, glad none of his equipment was damaged in the mess all the water made. My wife was looking at the pic of the 402 and asked just where would I place that huge thing?? I said on top of the Cornwalls. This is another reason I moved all my Klipsch HT equipment in the smaller den. I can close the door and she can't see my R2R tapes everywhere etc.
post #19038 of 22377
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I read somewhere it was $3,500 per speaker. Is that accurate? Blink once for yes, twice for no...

Surly you Jest... and I am calling you Shirley.
post #19039 of 22377
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Yup ! That I Am ......... got a 80" display months ago ...

Remember a few of us here are front projection.
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post #19040 of 22377
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Not sure if we can talk price here, but if anyone knows the price of the Klipsch built Jubilee can you PM me or post it up?

I read somewhere it was $3,500 per speaker. Is that accurate? Blink once for yes, twice for no...

I know AVS sells Klipsch now, do you guys carry the Jubilee or any other of the Cinema line?

We carry all of the Heritage line.
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post #19041 of 22377
I have the Klipsch Icon VB-15(Yeah cheap but I like em). KLIPSCH KSF-C5 vs Klipsch Icon VC-25 VS Klipsch Synergy C2 Center. Which one sounds clearer? or is there a better one I can buy used for $100 US or less? Thanks.
post #19042 of 22377
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Not sure if we can talk price here, but if anyone knows the price of the Klipsch built Jubilee can you PM me or post it up?

I read somewhere it was $3,500 per speaker. Is that accurate? Blink once for yes, twice for no...

I know AVS sells Klipsch now, do you guys carry the Jubilee or any other of the Cinema line?

If anyone is in the market, I just purchased five speakers (Reference Line) from the AV Science Store and have been more than pleased so far. I am waiting on the speakers to be delivered, but I do not anticipate any problems.

Make sure to give Mike G. a call to get their best price!
post #19043 of 22377
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

We carry all of the Heritage line.

It's the Cinema line:
http://www.klipsch.com/cinema-speakers
post #19044 of 22377
How do the Jub's compare to the Khorns? If someone were to build a pair of JubScala's, I would guess the parts needed would be, 1)La Sala bass bins, 2) K-402 horns, and also some sort of crossover. Are there any other bass bins that would work? Is there a DIY bass bin that anyone knows of that would work good for the K-402's? What would be the best rought for a crossover, assuming I decide to take on this project? I was thinking of using a DCX-2496 and running them active. This really has peaked my curiousity as I have wanted a pair of Jub's or Jub Scala's or some sort of speaker with the K-402 horn. The reason I haven't looked into this further is because I was under the impression that the K-402's were over $3,000 per horn. Since I just found out they are actually much less than that, I may end up persuing this!
post #19045 of 22377
I would think that a JubScala has better midrange and highs than a KHorn, but weaker bass. Coupled with a THT, it would be great. I don't know of any DIY bass bin other than the Jubilee bass bin clone. I wonder if anything from Bill F. would work? As for crossover, active is the way to go. They were designed with the Electrovoice Ex38 and so programming can be obtained from Klipsch for that when using the standard Jubilee bass bin. The cheap XO configuration is a Crown XTi amp with integrated DSP (if I recall correctly).
post #19046 of 22377
I'm wanting to buy a pair of forte ii if anyone knows of a pair for sale within 4 hours driving distance of 75501.
post #19047 of 22377
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Originally Posted by afterlife2 View Post

I have the Klipsch Icon VB-15(Yeah cheap but I like em). KLIPSCH KSF-C5 vs Klipsch Icon VC-25 VS Klipsch Synergy C2 Center. Which one sounds clearer? or is there a better one I can buy used for $100 US or less? Thanks.

Please Anyone?
post #19048 of 22377
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

It's the Cinema line:
http://www.klipsch.com/cinema-speakers

I guess I should have been more specific. We carry the Heritage line, not the Cinema line.
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post #19049 of 22377
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

How do the Jub's compare to the Khorns?

Let me be diplomatic to some degree. The Khorn is a fine speaker. Without it, Klipsch might have never been. (?). That said, I do believe it was PWK's first attempt at a folded corner horn and at the time he had very little experience. Compared to that, the Jubilee was intended to become the "Klipschorn II" and replace the Khorn. This was 50 years later. By this time, he now had 50 more years of horn experience. I think it's fair to say that he learned a thing or two over the years.

To personalize it (and no offense meant to anyone), when I first heard the Jubilee at the factory, it took no more than the lead in to the kickdrum of Eagles, Hotel Calif for me to say to myself "now THAT is what I've been looking for" (as a matter of disclosure, I had a pair of Khorns at home and had owned a pair of LaScalas for 25 or so years)

Realize that owning a pair of Khorns was my dream since 1979.
I ordered the Jubilee's the next week, sold my Khorns literally within one HOUR of listing them and the dummy had the nerve to come that next weekend to get them. I then had to wait five WEEKS with nothing to listen to!! Once the Jubilee's got into the corners, I have yet to miss my old Khorns for 2 nano-seconds. Seriously.... I do not miss them at all. The difference is pretty astounding.



If someone were to build a pair of JubScala's, I would guess the parts needed would be, 1)La Sala bass bins, 2) K-402 horns, and also some sort of crossover.

You've got it.

Are there any other bass bins that would work? Is there a DIY bass bin that anyone knows of that would work good for the K-402's?

I think the K402 is probably the magic sauce. I say that because it will mate VERY well with the Jubilee bass bin, LaScala bass bin, MWM bass bin and a couple of the direct radiator bass bins. It will sound great in all formats with the biggest difference being the direct radiator / horn bass difference.

What would be the best rought for a crossover, assuming I decide to take on this project?

As someone who had NEVER in his life used an active crossover and going to an active situation cold turkey... call me biased. I LOVE that I can take my Jubilee bass bin, toss the K402 on top (with stock K69 driver) and have it sound great. I can then yank the K69 off and swap it for the TAD 4002 driver, make a change in the active and be up & running. What if instead (as I'm doing now), I have a friends pair of Heresy's here and I want to biamp them with 80hz down going to the Jubilee bass bin and everything above 80hz going to the passive on the Heresy? I just dial it in and it's working like a charm. Oh, but wait....what if I want to take the K402 and put it on top of my MWM bass bins? Yep, just dial it in too. All the engineering for this has been done & it's simply plug/play. If a dufas like me can do this.... well.... I'd bet Peter could!! So, call me biased towards an active.

I was thinking of using a DCX-2496 and running them active. This really has peaked my curiousity as I have wanted a pair of Jub's or Jub Scala's or some sort of speaker with the K-402 horn. The reason I haven't looked into this further is because I was under the impression that the K-402's were over $3,000 per horn. Since I just found out they are actually much less than that, I may end up persuing this!

I'm in Jacksonville Fl right now with mine. I've posted a link to the Klipsch forum with other Jubilee/K402 owners. Virtually every one of them would entertain an audition. Where are you geographically?

The K402's are not cheap (at least in my opinion but, what do I know). They do however, include the horn, driver and mounting stand. They are literally, plug/play out of the box. Another perhaps more cost effective idea would be the K510. In my opinion, when you are ON axis, the K510 is a wonderful little horn. Literally, the little horn that could. In my opinion, while being on/near axis, the two sound very very similar (some differ but to my ears, they're about the same). When OFF axis, the K402 begins to stretch its muscles and you can tell a difference. My opinion.... if someone really wants to do it "right" and has the finances, just slap down your CC number and buy some Jubilee's and call it over for the rest of your life. As I recall the story, when PWK heard the finished Jubilee, I understand that he leaned back with a smile on his face and said something similar to "we did it". Seems he was pleased with the result however, I might not have the quote exactly correct.
post #19050 of 22377
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

I would think that a JubScala has better midrange and highs than a KHorn, but weaker bass. Coupled with a THT, it would be great. I don't know of any DIY bass bin other than the Jubilee bass bin clone. I wonder if anything from Bill F. would work? As for crossover, active is the way to go. They were designed with the Electrovoice Ex38 and so programming can be obtained from Klipsch for that when using the standard Jubilee bass bin. The cheap XO configuration is a Crown XTi amp with integrated DSP (if I recall correctly).

You pretty much nailed all of it.

The JubeScala is to me, the closest someone can come to the Jubilee without the cost. Toss in a subwoofer and it might be better....for less!

One major difference to me is the coherence of the system. I've said this many times.... with my Khorns, I had to stand literally, 30' away before they sounded like "one voice". With the Jubilee's/Scala it's within 10' before the sound gells together into a single wave front.

I thought that was because of the signal delay....when in fact, it's because of losing a crossover and going 2-way instead of 3-way. I ended up proving this to myself by messing with the delay and really stretching it out to hear the difference.
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