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post #19381 of 22396
7/16/12 at 8:25pm
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OK I've been @ home listening to what i have now! I also listened what someone was saying about marginal upgrades so would the rc 62 be the better upgrade if like the way the rb 61 sound in stereo?
Front setup
Rb 61
Rc 52
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Yeah it would really noticeable in Movies & TV watching .. more impact & easier to understand vocals ..
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post #19382 of 22396
7/18/12 at 5:54am
Hi to all Klipsch lovers. I bought my KHorns new in 1988. I upgraded the crossovers & tweeters with ALK Universals & Crites CT-125s. My next upgrade will be to replace the squawker horns with Eliptrac 400s but that will have to wait as I've used up my AV money on my HT this year.biggrin.gif

Some upgrade photos.

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Old & new parts.

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Tweeter installed.

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Crossover installed and 3/4" pipe insulation that really helps the upper bass response.

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Back in its place.

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Vintage Yamaha gear.
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post #19383 of 22396
7/18/12 at 6:02am
^^very nice!
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post #19384 of 22396
7/18/12 at 6:36am
alk is badarse.

hows it sound?
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post #19385 of 22396
7/18/12 at 7:36am
Thanks guys. They sound great. I was planning to do one upgrade at a time to see how each worked out. I got impatient and did it all at once so I don't know how each upgrade is responsible for the sound but I am very pleased with the overall outcome.
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post #19386 of 22396
7/18/12 at 9:41am
Hey guys, I currently own a 7.2 system consisting of

*L/R - JBL E30
*Center - JBL EC35
*Surrounds - JBL E10 x4
*Subs - SVS 20-39 pci x2
*Receiver - Yamaha RX667

Soon to be purchased

*Amp - Emotiva XPA 3

Room size is 15x24 with 8ft ceilings

I have had this setup for about 6 years and have been pleased with it for the most part. But I feel that there is a lack of dynamics and clarity (especially in the center channel) that I know Klipsch is known for. So with that being said, my curiosity about the 'Klipsch sound' began about 2 years ago. I've listened to the Icons at BB and the overall horn sound definitely seemed to have a better "punch" compared to my JBL's. So I am assuming the RF/RB models will only improve upon that initial impression being that they're positioned above the Icons in the Kipsch model line heirachy.

Since my daughters travel ball seems to consistently alter my monthly fun money Ive decided to piece together my front 3 speakers over the course of the next 8-10 months.

The RC-64 is without a doubt going to be in my new setup, Ive lusted after that speaker for the past 2 years more than I care to admit. I obviously already have speaker stands so the RB's have been in my sights as possible replacements for my E30's. Would the RB 81's work well with the RC 64? I know that the RC 62 is meant to be paired with the 81 for a seamless front soundstage, but will it honestly alter the timbre THAT much? I didnt mention it before but my setup is 99% for HT, with gaming pulling up the rear.

Thanks in advance for your help
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post #19387 of 22396
7/18/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by 1st Cav View Post

Hey guys, I currently own a 7.2 system consisting of
*L/R - JBL E30
*Center - JBL EC35
*Surrounds - JBL E10 x4
*Subs - SVS 20-39 pci x2
*Receiver - Yamaha RX667
Soon to be purchased
*Amp - Emotiva XPA 3
Room size is 15x24 with 8ft ceilings
I have had this setup for about 6 years and have been pleased with it for the most part. But I feel that there is a lack of dynamics and clarity (especially in the center channel) that I know Klipsch is known for. So with that being said, my curiosity about the 'Klipsch sound' began about 2 years ago. I've listened to the Icons at BB and the overall horn sound definitely seemed to have a better "punch" compared to my JBL's. So I am assuming the RF/RB models will only improve upon that initial impression being that they're positioned above the Icons in the Kipsch model line heirachy.
Since my daughters travel ball seems to consistently alter my monthly fun money Ive decided to piece together my front 3 speakers over the course of the next 8-10 months.
The RC-64 is without a doubt going to be in my new setup, Ive lusted after that speaker for the past 2 years more than I care to admit. I obviously already have speaker stands so the RB's have been in my sights as possible replacements for my E30's. Would the RB 81's work well with the RC 64? I know that the RC 62 is meant to be paired with the 81 for a seamless front soundstage, but will it honestly alter the timbre THAT much? I didnt mention it before but my setup is 99% for HT, with gaming pulling up the rear.
Thanks in advance for your help
You say 7.2 but I count 5.2 on your list .. does that Yammi do heights &/Or wides ??

Correction I see the 4 surrounds .............. damn missed that
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post #19388 of 22396
7/18/12 at 10:24am
the 82's just have more punch due to the 2 woofs instead of the single in the 81's
Timbre wise they would both 81,82 be the same & would be great with the 64
best case get the 81's & later get the 7's & move the 81's to surround duty
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post #19389 of 22396
7/18/12 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

the 82's just have more punch due to the 2 woofs instead of the single in the 81's

Makes sense, but because I crossover my fronts at 80hz I wouldnt truly benefit from multiple woofers correct?
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Timbre wise they would both 81,82 be the same & would be great with the 64

I was looking at 61's right before I posted, so my mention of timbre mismatch with the 81's was in error, but thanks for the clarification.
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best case get the 81's & later get the 7's & move the 81's to surround duty

7's would be great, but definitely not in the budget.

Add-on Plan A

Side Surrounds (2) RS 52's or 62's
Rear Surrounds (2) ????

I currently have direct firing surrounds all the way around but have been very interested in trying bipole/dipoles for side surrounds. I guess Im at a loss as to whether or not it would be better to use a combination of bipole sides and direct rears or bipole all around.
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post #19390 of 22396
7/18/12 at 11:05am
I'm a fan of direct radiators in a HT set-up as bi-poles are basically bouncing the sound off the walls .

The 81 's are very good speakers , a set-up with the 81's & a RC64 would be killer HT . the 81's have the advantage of front porting & can be placed just about anywhere ,even up into the corners ,where the 82 are rear ported & must be placed off the wall by at least 2 feet
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post #19391 of 22396
7/18/12 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

I'm a fan of direct radiators in a HT set-up as bi-poles are basically bouncing the sound off the walls .

Like I said, I currently have direct radiators and dont have any complaints but Ive also read that bipoles create a more immersive environment for surround. I guess Ill just have to give it a try when the time comes and see for myself.
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The 81 's are very good speakers , a set-up with the 81's & a RC64 would be killer HT . the 81's have the advantage of front porting & can be placed just about anywhere ,even up into the corners ,where the 82 are rear ported & must be placed off the wall by at least 2 feet

Which is why theyre on the top of my list, as I dont really have 2ft to pull my fronts from the built in bookshelf they stand in front of. Are the 82's rear ports on the top or bottom portion of the speaker back?
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post #19392 of 22396
7/18/12 at 11:38am
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Are the 82's rear ports on the top or bottom portion of the speaker back?

bottom ported
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post #19393 of 22396
7/18/12 at 11:39am
The choice of direct radiators vs bipole is largely a matter of preference. If you have a decent amount of space between the listener and the surround speaker, then direct radiators work well. if the space between the listener and the surround is not very big, then I would consider the bipole speaker.
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post #19394 of 22396
7/18/12 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

bottom ported

Thanks. Now I can finally stop drooling over the RF's and wondering what if
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If you have a decent amount of space between the listener and the surround speaker, then direct radiators work well. if the space between the listener and the surround is not very big, then I would consider the bipole speaker.

I guess it depends on your definition of "decent". I have about 2ft on one side from the listener and 3 1/2 - 4ft on the other side due to the need of a decent walkway that doesnt cause visitors to ram their heads into the sloped ceiling in my bonus room. There is about 4 1/2ft from the back row listening position to the rear speakers on both sides.

If I went with direct radiators would 81's all around be overkill as surrounds? I dont listen to multichannel music
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The choice of direct radiators vs bipole is largely a matter of preference

Understood, but is there a benefit/advantage to using one type over the other on the side or rear? Or does your initial statement in regards to preference still hold true?
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post #19395 of 22396
7/18/12 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by 1st Cav View Post

Thanks. Now I can finally stop drooling over the RF's and wondering what if
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If you have a decent amount of space between the listener and the surround speaker, then direct radiators work well. if the space between the listener and the surround is not very big, then I would consider the bipole speaker.
I guess it depends on your definition of "decent". I have about 2ft on one side from the listener and 3 1/2 - 4ft on the other side due to the need of a decent walkway that doesnt cause visitors to ram their heads into the sloped ceiling in my bonus room. There is about 4 1/2ft from the back row listening position to the rear speakers on both sides.
If I went with direct radiators would 81's all around be overkill as surrounds? I dont listen to multichannel music
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The choice of direct radiators vs bipole is largely a matter of preference
Understood, but is there a benefit/advantage to using one type over the other on the side or rear? Or does your initial statement in regards to preference still hold true?
I find most people who prefer bi-poles to be a larger room that they move around in, sit in different areas , change their room around alot,
Direct radiators allow for very precise aiming of a speaker & on a horn loaded such as a 81 they are enveloping as they have a wide angle that is still focused ( doesn't roll-off as one gets off to the side of the speaker (thou they do have a point where the sound drops off the table so to speak). If one has a listening position that is fairly static & stable ,you can dial the sound effects in precisely.
I have my mains & side surrounds as the same speaker & I note that many newer mixed movies in DTS 5.1 & 7.1 (some TV shows ie: Breaking Bad this season is really mixed well )the side surrounds are out putting just as much content as my mains do . It's a very stunning effect in a action movie . You get feeling your sitting in the movie instead watching from a point view

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post #19396 of 22396
7/18/12 at 2:31pm
I am with Fast on this one...I have a limited LP and prefer to matrix 5.1 to 7.1 using direct radiating speakers on the sides (90 degrees) and rear and have sound come towards me from the different directions instead of being shot around me from either the side or the rear using the WDST technology. That being said, I also agree about larger rooms and multiple LPs that the RS models may work better.
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post #19397 of 22396
7/18/12 at 5:22pm
I love my RS-62IIs. In a 5.1 movie it sometimes sounds like it's 7.1 the way the sound moves around you.
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post #19398 of 22396
7/18/12 at 5:23pm
Thanks fellas, you guys have been VERY helpful and informative!

With my room being more long than wide Im still on the fence as to what would work better for my particular situation. Ive taken a few terrible cell phone pics just to give you an idea of what im dealing with.

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post #19399 of 22396
7/18/12 at 5:37pm
And the surrounds....

Right Side Surround

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Right Rear Surround

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Left Side & Left Rear Surround

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Left Side Surround - Direct Facing View

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I just hope that the WDST technology allows for listeners in both the front and back row to experience the immersion effect from the side surrounds. I know with multiple listening positions there will always be compromises, I guess I would just like to alleviate as many of those as possible.
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post #19400 of 22396
7/19/12 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by EZ-Rhino View Post

Hi to all Klipsch lovers. I bought my KHorns new in 1988. I upgraded the crossovers & tweeters with ALK Universals & Crites CT-125s. My next upgrade will be to replace the squawker horns with Eliptrac 400s but that will have to wait as I've used up my AV money on my HT this year.biggrin.gif
Interesting, I had never heard of the Eliptrac 400. I think my eventual ultimate upgrade would be to go active two-way with a KPT-402 sitting on the KHorn bass bin. A cross between a KHorn and a Jubilee.
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post #19401 of 22396
7/19/12 at 2:41pm
Wow ....
EpiTrac 400's .... I'm gonna build sum ....smile.gif
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post #19402 of 22396
7/19/12 at 8:26pm
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Wow ....
EpiTrac 400's .... I'm gonna build sum ....smile.gif

Dave does offer the Eliptrac 400 in a DIY Kit for $325 less than the exposed version & $225 less than the base version. I'm thinking of going that route.
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post #19403 of 22396
7/19/12 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by EZ-Rhino View Post

Dave does offer the Eliptrac 400 in a DIY Kit for $325 less than the exposed version & $225 less than the base version. I'm thinking of going that route.
I will want 5 of them diy ,I'll start with a pair .I figure I'll start slow build the horns & then figure out on what i'll do with cabinets( use the Cornscala cab's or build new ones ) , I want a 2 way if possible with a direct radiator bass bin all told i'll build 5 of them as i want a center using that horn assy. maybe a center that 's horizontal with a 12" woof needs to fit under a 80" LCD screen
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post #19404 of 22396
7/19/12 at 9:43pm
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I will want 5 of them diy ,I'll start with a pair .I figure I'll start slow build the horns & then figure out on what i'll do with cabinets( use the Cornscala cab's or build new ones ) , I want a 2 way if possible with a direct radiator bass bin all told i'll build 5 of them as i want a center using that horn assy. maybe a center that 's horizontal with a 12" woof needs to fit under a 80" LCD screen

This is a photo from Dave's site of a two way Jubilee with the Eliptrac 400. Beautiful stuff.


Edited by EZ-Rhino - 7/20/12 at 1:21am
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post #19405 of 22396
7/20/12 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

I will want 5 of them diy ,I'll start with a pair .I figure I'll start slow build the horns & then figure out on what i'll do with cabinets( use the Cornscala cab's or build new ones ) , I want a 2 way if possible with a direct radiator bass bin all told i'll build 5 of them as i want a center using that horn assy. maybe a center that 's horizontal with a 12" woof needs to fit under a 80" LCD screen


Wow, that sounds like it would be pretty killer! Who is this Dave fellow that you guys keep referring too? I only know of Bob Crites as far as parts and upgrades for the heritage line??
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post #19406 of 22396
7/20/12 at 7:42am
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Wow, that sounds like it would be pretty killer! Who is this Dave fellow that you guys keep referring too? I only know of Bob Crites as far as parts and upgrades for the heritage line??

Dave Harris
http://mysite.verizon.net/res12il11/index.html

My crossovers are from Al Klappenberger.
http://www.alkeng.com/klipsch.html

There is also Greg Roberts.
http://www.klipschupgrades.com/vtrac.shtml
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post #19407 of 22396
7/20/12 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by EZ-Rhino View Post

Hi to all Klipsch lovers. I bought my KHorns new in 1988. I upgraded the crossovers & tweeters with ALK Universals & Crites CT-125s. My next upgrade will be to replace the squawker horns with Eliptrac 400s but that will have to wait as I've used up my AV money on my HT this year.biggrin.gif
Some upgrade photos.
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Old & new parts.
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I can never quite get myself to pull the upgrade trigger. Good for you for doing it. If I do upgrade/rebuild my LS crossovers, it will be via the kit route. My crossovers are 30 years old now and I'm sure there would be a noticeable improvement, but at this point I'm not sure I'm hearing degradation to the point that it's imperative. What to do.....what to do...... At least do the caps, right? Really, a no brainer.
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post #19408 of 22396
7/20/12 at 9:28am
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I can never quite get myself to pull the upgrade trigger. Good for you for doing it. If I do upgrade/rebuild my LS crossovers, it will be via the kit route. My crossovers are 30 years old now and I'm sure there would be a noticeable improvement, but at this point I'm not sure I'm hearing degradation to the point that it's imperative. What to do.....what to do...... At least do the caps, right? Really, a no brainer.

The crossovers are so easily accessible on the La Scala, and the caps so easily accessible on the Type-A and AA crossover, that it's the easiest and cost-effective upgrade that you can do. Six caps from Part Express for, like, $50 and you are good to go!
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post #19409 of 22396
7/20/12 at 10:52am
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My crossovers are 30 years old now and I'm sure there would be a noticeable improvement, but at this point I'm not sure I'm hearing degradation to the point that it's imperative.
Those caps are the old style oil can & they start degrading from the start Very Slowly at 1st but as they age they degrade at a higher rate & then they start leaking as the seals & paper wrappings inside the coil start to dissolve , they could be leaking & still not show any oil on the out side . BUT the degradation is Slow, Very Slow, so slow that you will never notice it .
This happened to me with my '73 Cornwall's , The least expensive way to fix is replace the parts yourself , if you can solder 2 wires together ,you can do it .
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post #19410 of 22396
7/20/12 at 11:55am
Just got a set of Klipsch RF-82's and a RC-62 from Acousticsounddesign.com. They were fantastic through the whole transaction nice to deal with guy like Mike Embers. The Speakers sound amazing... you get the feeling the sound isn't coming from a speaker, but rather the sound fills the room (large room) VERY nicely. I tossed the idea of other speakers around both more expensive and less expensive, I decided on the Klipsch and it was the perfect choice.
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