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post #19711 of 22382
8/14/12 at 8:34pm
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He's on vacation for this next week, then they'll be put on a pallat & shipped.

Here's a question for you, or anyone who might know. 

Preface:  I'll probalby only use one of them here since I'm currently working in FL and staying in this apartment. (yes, I have the MWM's, LaScala, Jubilee's and two DTS 10's all stuffed in here although the MWM's are sitting in my 2'nd bedroom as storage.

Anyways...  I'll have two EV Dx38 active crossovers and currently NO HT unit.  That's down the road as I figure out which one I want to get...  it has to have XLR outputs.

So right now it's only stereo so, how do I integrate the Danley's?

I can put a Dx38 onto EACH channel.  Each Dx38 is a 2-in, 4 out processor.  I have two of them so by putting one on each channel, I can have up to 4 channels of amplification.  I can simply add an amp and connect the 3'rd output of each DX to a Danley.  I'll then have all the PEQ's I might need to dial it in.

Later, when I get a HT unit, I can keep the same thing, taking the "front left" output and make it the "left" input of the Dx38.  I can take "sub 1" output and instead of running it to an amp, I can (so I think?) take it to the "Right" input of the Dx38.  Two seperate inputs to the Dx.  One is the music/HT content, other is the sub content.  I can then use the Dx to blend/delay/PEQ the signals as necessary and feed it to my amps from there.

Thoughts?
Have you thought of the miniDSP ? the control functions on those are amazing & easy as a click of a mouse . lets you save any settings to experiment ..I'm going to start small with a the little one & learn how to use that miniDSP & then up grade all my amps , sell the passives someday .
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post #19712 of 22382
8/14/12 at 8:49pm
Coytee , have you reached the point where the Jubilee's will be the last speakers that you own & then work to refine the systems that feed the Jub's ?

I know you'll add more speakers / channels in a HT environment but are the Jub's gonna be the rock & foundation of your "state of the horn art" HT .
Will the Jubilee's be the stars in that future Home Theater constellation you envision ? I'd love to have a Jub based 7.2 HT system , but until My ship comes in & I buy a bigger house that's not gonna happen @ La CasaSlappy . biggrin.gif
I myself am tryin' to push the envelope now with rebuilding all 9 of my speakers .
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post #19713 of 22382
8/15/12 at 1:39am
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Have you thought of the miniDSP ? the control functions on those are amazing & easy as a click of a mouse . lets you save any settings to experiment ..I'm going to start small with a the little one & learn how to use that miniDSP & then up grade all my amps , sell the passives someday .

The honest answer is no however, having recently seen them talked about again... I've thought about them a litle.

 

Aren't they a bit redundant though?  Meaning, I would use one of them instead of that which I already have?  They would replace my active crossover as I understand it.  I don't know what they'd do for me that I can't already achieve.  (I'll admit that I know little about them so perhaps there's more to them than I realize)

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post #19714 of 22382
8/15/12 at 1:50am
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Coytee , have you reached the point where the Jubilee's will be the last speakers that you own & then work to refine the systems that feed the Jub's ?

 

Who knows, but "probably".  I say that based on a bit of my history.  I tend to buy what I like & keep it.  I've had my LaScalas forever and have no intent of EVER selling them.  I figure they've been through most of my life with me already (I've owned them for 63% of my life!)

 

Absent any type of genuine life emergency, I also have no inclination to ever sell the Jubilee's BUT...  I am already entertaining the thought of can I fit the MWM's into my basement instead of the Jubilee's and use the MWM's as my mains, (K402 on top) and a JubeScala as center with my long time LaScalas as my rears.

 

You can trust that this idea will go over very nicely with the wife... confused.gif

 

I mean, if the Jubilee's are "Plug ugly teenager speakers", how beautiful might she find the older, rattier, twice the size MWM bass bins? I'll probalby keep the MWM's in the garage or trailer for outdoor use which is why I bought them in the beginning.  (outdoor movies)

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post #19715 of 22382
8/15/12 at 3:04am
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Who knows, but "probably".  I say that based on a bit of my history.  I tend to buy what I like & keep it.  I've had my LaScalas forever and have no intent of EVER selling them.  I figure they've been through most of my life with me already (I've owned them for 63% of my life!)

Absent any type of genuine life emergency, I also have no inclination to ever sell the Jubilee's BUT...  I am already entertaining the thought of can I fit the MWM's into my basement instead of the Jubilee's and use the MWM's as my mains, (K402 on top) and a JubeScala as center with my long time LaScalas as my rears.

You can trust that this idea will go over very nicely with the wife... confused.gif

I mean, if the Jubilee's are "Plug ugly teenager speakers", how beautiful might she find the older, rattier, twice the size MWM bass bins? I'll probalby keep the MWM's in the garage or trailer for outdoor use which is why I bought them in the beginning.  (outdoor movies)

Man, I was thinking that the Jub's were going to be my end-all-be-all LCR anchor in my future 9.2 setup, but hearing that you guys are even considering different alternatives has me scratching my head...

This is the first time I'v e looked up the MWM's. They look SERIOUS, but their footprint is so massive (depth mainly) I don't think I'd really be interested, plus I think I have a solid plan in the 40Hz and below arena so the MWM may be a bit redundant fgiven my particular goals. With that said, what do you think is out there that could give the Jub's a run for their money from 40-50Hz and above?

Would something like the MCM-Grand be worth consideration or would the concept of reaching the "point of diminishing returns" come into play when compating against the Jub's?

I was looking at some of the JBL Pro line and they have me intrigued. Something like the JBL 5672 seems like it would some what compare to a Jub or MCM Klipsch product.

So, Jubilee's, MCM Grand or JBL Pro...? Why do I feel like I have asked this question before???
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post #19716 of 22382
8/15/12 at 3:28am

Look back at some my recent posts for a picture of the Jubilee's on one corner, a four 15" bass cabinet in the other corner...  the two went toe to toe.  I have little doubt that the Jubilee would best the JBL rather easily if we count drivers (and that might not be a fair way to look at it...I'm just showing my simpleton viewpoint)

 

The MWM's are in fact huge.  Probably will never work in my home.  There are a couple guys using them.  The thing with them (horns), basically, the bigger the better.  So for size/performance, I'd say it's going to be veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hard to beat the Jubilee.  Then again, take a LaScala, add a horn subwoofer & a K402 on top and you could also have VERY stout performance at less cost.

 

I will say this...  Seems PWK was very pleased when he heard the Jubilee, feeling that they accomplished the goal of improving the Klipschorn.  Roy (Delgado, PWK's right hand man in designing the Jubilee) said once that he felt that the Jubilee was the pinnacle of their design (or something similar to that logic)

 

So, if you can afford them, it's very hard to put any vote against the Jubilee as it is quite a formidable speaker.  Take something twice the size though and I suppose you can indeed improve upon it but, the MWM's are crazy large.

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post #19717 of 22382
8/15/12 at 4:47am
coytee, you need to start thinking like a "basement" person. Your wife shouldn't care much anymore if your toys are in the cave instead of her living room!

Do your current active crossovers allow for specific PEQ settings? I think of a crossover in terms of splitting the frequency range, not manipulating it? But I don't know anything about active crossovers.
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post #19718 of 22382
8/15/12 at 7:31am
Stands on the side of the road, shaking head, hat in hand, taking donations for the sonically disturbed.

The shootout parties have to be a "blast." Steak, beer and hair straightening contests.

"Here, honey, John says he can straighten your hair with a single eight second, 10w blast. Mike says he can do it in six seconds with 8w. Now stand right here, and remember, you love me."

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post #19719 of 22382
8/15/12 at 7:45am
I have made a guest vomit. My proudest moment. biggrin.gif
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post #19720 of 22382
8/15/12 at 8:07am
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I have made a guest vomit. My proudest moment. biggrin.gif

Were you able to hide the smile?

LOL!

"What's with the barf bag in the back of the seats?"

LOL!

"Gee, I'm sorry, would you like another beer."

LOL!

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post #19721 of 22382
8/15/12 at 8:39am
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I have made a guest vomit. My proudest moment. biggrin.gif
I've had sheet rock nails pop outta the walls smile.gif
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post #19722 of 22382
8/15/12 at 8:46am
I also pre-screen all guests to prevent having to clean up after they can't control their bodily functions , It only takes one barfer to make one aware of the need to screen people .....rolleyes.gif
The dogs have ran to the safety of the backyard a few times ...
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post #19723 of 22382
8/15/12 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

I have made a guest vomit. My proudest moment. biggrin.gif

Nooo?!?!?

Really Tony? I'm going to have to read your build thread again!

What is the resonant fq for inducing vomit? Or does it vary by individual? I think you might need a few more data points. I will volunteer my body for the science of it...
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post #19724 of 22382
8/15/12 at 11:09am
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Nooo?!?!?
Really Tony? I'm going to have to read your build thread again!
What is the resonant fq for inducing vomit? Or does it vary by individual? I think you might need a few more data points. I will volunteer my body for the science of it...

I'm going with the lower 10Hz -20Hz where your stomach contents try to turn to jelly (ba-loop, gurgle, gurgle) as everybody knows the highs make your head explode.

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post #19725 of 22382
8/15/12 at 11:53am
Yep, it was during a demo session with lots of high volume "showoff" type stuff. I finished the demo with the plane crash scene from "Flight of the Phoenix". When the plane was doing its barrel role, my friend excused himself and went to the restroom to do the deed.

It is less than 20hz stuff in that roll and I was over 120db. Painful. Feels like your intestines are being moved around.

I'm glad that I'm through that phase to be honest. It was going to be the end of my hearing and my carpet. I still enjoy it fairly loud, but not for those long demo sessions. A typical movie has only minutes total that reach up that loud. But string together an hour of those scenes and, well, PUKE.
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post #19726 of 22382
8/15/12 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Yep, it was during a demo session with lots of high volume "showoff" type stuff. I finished the demo with the plane crash scene from "Flight of the Phoenix". When the plane was doing its barrel role, my friend excused himself and went to the restroom to do the deed.

I'd love to experience 120dB while watching the end climatic scene of "The Long Kiss Goodnight" when they blow the bridge. I got a 108dB out of my system on that one. Stuff coming off the walls and shelves, dust in the air, sitting quietly thinking: "Yeah, now that's what I'm talking about!" as the rumble of the explosions slowly decay into the background.

Nope, no tummy problems here.

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post #19727 of 22382
8/15/12 at 1:23pm
Is $450-$475 per speaker for the RF-82 ii a pretty good price? Just curious because I am thinking about purchasing my whole setup from Vann's and want to make sure I am getting a really good deal since it will all be purchased from an online retailer.

Thanks again for any input!

TVMan1414
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post #19728 of 22382
8/15/12 at 1:46pm
Beeman, my most comfortable volume is peaks of about 108db. Loud enough. wink.gif

I'm not familiar with "The Long Kiss Goodnight". I'll have to look it up.
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post #19729 of 22382
8/15/12 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Beeman, my most comfortable volume is peaks of about 108db. Loud enough. wink.gif
I'm not familiar with "The Long Kiss Goodnight". I'll have to look it up.

I hear the FOTP plane crash scene is usually in a typical super basshead's top 5 best bass scenes...

I'm on my cell, so I can't comb through your build thread. Could you tell me what you here running to get (what I'm assuming was) a 120db flat response down to the single digits of that scene? Were you the one with the THX Ultra setup? Refresh my memory my friend!

My end goal is to have somone literally sh!t themselves...but I gotta take babysteps.

So my proposed evolution is:

- Nose Tickle (Been there)
- Vision Blur (where I'm at now)
- Difficulty Breathing (Chest preasure making it difficult to talk)
- Nausea (pressure changes cause motion sickness/vomit)
- Doodoo Stains (Farting from being startled counts)
- Nose Bleeds (Cannot handle being in the room)

I think that sounds like a logical progression.
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post #19730 of 22382
8/15/12 at 2:35pm
IIRC Tony has the Danley's DTS-10's horn loaded bass bins
They are the gold standard of bass bin horns for "in home" subwoofers . A DIY kits iirc
I'd build a set but I just don't have the room in my livingroom
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post #19731 of 22382
8/15/12 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Is $450-$475 per speaker for the RF-82 ii a pretty good price? Just curious because I am thinking about purchasing my whole setup from Vann's and want to make sure I am getting a really good deal since it will all be purchased from an online retailer.
Thanks again for any input!
TVMan1414

Just curious if anyone has any input on this?

Thanks Again,


TVMan1414
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post #19732 of 22382
8/15/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Is $450-$475 per speaker for the RF-82 ii a pretty good price? Just curious because I am thinking about purchasing my whole setup from Vann's and want to make sure I am getting a really good deal since it will all be purchased from an online retailer.
Thanks again for any input!
TVMan1414

Yeah that beats Amazon by $150.oo but really there is a place in Las Vegas that is mentioned here on this thread that has the lowest Klipsch Reference prices & a very good feedback from the AVS members that have bought from them
go back a few pages as Mike was just being discussed a few days ago ..Check with him 1st he'll usually matches & or Beats any price
I've bought a RC64II from Vann's open box & got for a steal .. & Vann's is great as well ...I've bought AVR's Speakers, BluRay players always very Happy
It was so good a deal then I sold it for more than I paid ...Due to it not matching my mains in voicing I sold it , That RC64 II just couldn't keep up ...biggrin.gif
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post #19733 of 22382
8/15/12 at 3:02pm
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Beeman, my most comfortable volume is peaks of about 108db. Loud enough. wink.gif
I'm not familiar with "The Long Kiss Goodnight". I'll have to look it up.

For me, it's loud enough but not going knock occasionally going louder. As to "The Long Kiss Goodnight" it has Geena Davis at her absolute sexy best and Samuel Jackson as the quirky side-kick coupled with, my opinion, one of the top movie sound tracks ever. Clean, clear, sharp, nothing but the best.

Here's a YouTube taste.

Can't get enough of this sound track. (warning, language)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 8/15/12 at 3:10pm
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post #19734 of 22382
8/15/12 at 3:22pm
Last I measured, mine drop off at 14hz. They could be flat to that point, but I have them eq'd for a sharp rise in response from 14-30hz. 14hz is about 4-5db hotter than 30hz. So I don't suppose I get all that's in the F of the P scene. But I get enough.

I watched the clip you linked. I'd never seen that one. The clip looks very promising. I'll have to get a hold of it sometime. Typically, those older movies didn't have much ULF content.
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8/15/12 at 3:23pm
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Yeah that beats Amazon by $150.oo but really there is a place in Las Vegas that is mentioned here on this thread that has the lowest Klipsch Reference prices & a very good feedback from the AVS members that have bought from them
go back a few pages as Mike was just being discussed a few days ago ..Check with him 1st he'll usually matches & or Beats any price
I've bought a RC64II from Vann's open box & got for a steal .. & Vann's is great as well ...I've bought AVR's Speakers, BluRay players always very Happy
It was so good a deal then I sold it for more than I paid ...Due to it not matching my mains in voicing I sold it , That RC64 II just couldn't keep up ...biggrin.gif

Thank you for your suggestion. I just contacted Mike over at Acoustic Sound Design. He was very nice and was able to offer the package I was looking for at a better price. He also informed me that Vann's actually filed for bankruptcy this month and he would not recommend buying from them. Here is a link to the article:
http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/aug/06/vanns-appliance-store-files-for-bankruptcy/

Also just curious if anyone in here has ever purchased from Acoustic Sound Design. I had never heard of them before, and no offense but I judge a company a lot by their website and theirs does not look so good. I know others have mentioned them but its a big purchase I am going to make and want to make sure I do business with a reputable place. Just looking for anyone who has purchased from them and had positive reviews.

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414
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8/15/12 at 3:30pm
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Also just curious if anyone in here has ever purchased from Acoustic Sound Design.

I recently bought a b-stock RC-64 II from Acoustic Sound Design and both Mike and the RC-64 II rock.
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8/15/12 at 3:38pm
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Thank you for your suggestion. I just contacted Mike over at Acoustic Sound Design. He was very nice and was able to offer the package I was looking for at a better price. He also informed me that Vann's actually filed for bankruptcy this month and he would not recommend buying from them. Here is a link to the article:
http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/aug/06/vanns-appliance-store-files-for-bankruptcy/
Also just curious if anyone in here has ever purchased from Acoustic Sound Design. I had never heard of them before, and no offense but I judge a company a lot by their website and theirs does not look so good. I know others have mentioned them but its a big purchase I am going to make and want to make sure I do business with a reputable place. Just looking for anyone who has purchased from them and had positive reviews.
Thanks Again,
TVMan1414
there have more than 10 people who regularly post on this thread use them & all have said nothing but Great Things about there service . I'm Sure later today you get some feed back ...
Vann's going into Bankruptcy is a bummer ... I always had good luck with them but I learned along time ago NEVER deal with anyone in Bankruptcy ... I'm never gonna get burned like that again eek.gif Beware .... unless it's walking in the door , buying with cash & walking back out with product in hand Never order or give a CC #
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8/15/12 at 3:44pm
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coytee, you need to start thinking like a "basement" person. Your wife shouldn't care much anymore if your toys are in the cave instead of her living room!
Do your current active crossovers allow for specific PEQ settings? I think of a crossover in terms of splitting the frequency range, not manipulating it? But I don't know anything about active crossovers.

 

Ok, I'll make you a deal... you be the one to tell her that she shouldn't care...  and if you can escape that brawl with your life, I'll buy you dinner!  wink.gif

 

PEQ settings:  Yes, the actives have peq's.  I don't know the technical stuff but, the K402 needs some kind of shelf or boost at higher frequencies because I understand it falls off some (since it doesn't have collapsing verticals like the traditinal Heritage does)  Roy has also optimized the active with regard to polars at the crossover point (frankly, all which is a bit foreign to me).

 

I've heard the active at the factory, in their lab listening room, next to Rigma's cost no concern, $3,000 (in parts alone) passive crossovers and frankly, I could not tell a beans worth of difference in the sound.  Polars at the crossover point, collapsing verticals (or lack there of) or anything...  I would be VERY hard pressed to have walked into that room like some proclaim thay can and say HA!  you are using the (passive/active) at the moment...  nope, not my tin ears.  All I would have said is "day-um, that has the scale of life and sounds fantastic".

 

If you want a treat, you should get to Charlotte, NC and swing by WC's place on a Saturday.  He's a new dealer and has some of the big toys (including my spare Dx38).  He's got Jubilee's, MWM's...  stuff that might make you willing to face my wife (and her well manicured (ie, sharpened) fingernails) eek.gif

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post #19739 of 22382
8/15/12 at 3:59pm
What's her interest in the basement? Typically, when a man gets a basement, it comes with complete power. smile.gif

Doesn't the guy that goes by heli something or other live in Charlotte and have Jubs? Is that the same guy as WC? Either way, you're right, it's worth the 1.5 hour drive some weekend. I'm just not in a position to spend money on my room, and don't want to put myself in temptations way.

If you can set PEQ filters, then there are about 5-6 of them that Tom Danley recommended to start with. You'll see I posted them on the thread, or I can send them to you if you'd like. The cabinets sound like crap without them, and they made a tremendous difference. Not the final answer for your room, but a good starting point.
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8/15/12 at 4:12pm

I'd love to have the PEQ's for the Danleys!!!  (edit:  I think I found them)

 

PEQ minus 8.4dB @ 55Hz, Q=8.9 BW=0.162 BFD=9.7
PEQ minus 4.6dB, @ 29Hz, Q=5 BW=0.2881 BFD=17.3
PEQ minus 7.5dB @ 84Hz, Q=2.8 BW=0.5125 BFD=30.8
PEQ minus 14.4dB @ 154Hz, Q=1.1 BW=1.2701 BFD=76.2
 

 

Regarding the wife/basement...  I guess I'm the one who wears the skirt...   eek.gif

 

Actually, the land for the house is located on her family farm of 250 acres.  Her father gave us a plot of land.  She designed the house.  So, in truth, I view it as 'her' house and am fine with that position. 

 

Let me rephrase it a bit...  I've had the Jubliee's in her living room for the last 6 years.  She has detested every moment of their existence in there yet, I got my way.

 

I don't mind wearing a skirt for a while if that's my trade off.  Besides, I've got dynamite legs! rolleyes.gif

 

Yes, WC is Heli in Charlotte.  He's now an official Klipsch dealer.  Seems he's got a trailer full ( as in tractor trailer) of MWM's, he's got one of the only two pair of "Golden Jubilee's" in existence, a "normal" Jubilee, some TAD drivers...and I have no idea what else.  Oh, I think he also has some DTS 10's.  He was debating on buying the pair I bought had I balked.

 

 

Thanks for the offer!!


Edited by coytee - 8/15/12 at 4:19pm
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