Klipsch owner thread - Page 668

R&L tracing went live (update) ; my RF- 7's made it to Kansas City, MO. This is the 1/2 way point between Vegas and NYC. I figure a holiday weekend would slow it down a day or two.

8/29/2012 11:06:56 AM Arrived at KANSAS CITY, MO
8/28/2012 9:54:47 PM Departed DENVER, CO in route to KANSAS CITY, MO
8/28/2012 11:53:50 AM Departed SALT LAKE CITY, UT in route to DENVER, CO
8/28/2012 7:58:08 AM Arrived at SALT LAKE CITY, UT
8/27/2012 11:49:45 PM Departed origin terminal in route to SALT LAKE CITY, UT
8/27/2012 9:03:06 PM Arrived at origin terminal
8/27/2012 3:15:35 PM Picked Up in LAS VEGAS, NV
Edited by willybguy - 8/29/12 at 8:21am

Will my Denon AVR 3312 power the rf7 and rc64?

Absolutely. Will it power it to reference levels? Highly doubtful.

You already have it so try it!

There has been an extensive discussion on what AVR/amp's are appropriate to drive 64s and 7s. If you read back in the thread you'll see several pages devoted to this subject.

It even got a little heated as I recall...

What do you want me to PM onecall about? I ordered new A stock black RF-7 II's from them yesterday and they shipped them yesterday via ABF Freight carrier. They will be at my house Tuesday, not bad considering the holliday weekend. On another note, I also ordered a open box item, monster HTPS 7000 MKII, from onecall a few weeks back for over 35% off retail and they shipped me a brand new one due to a mix up on the open box listing. So far I am very pleased with their pricing and service to me.

If you want to find out about your warranty, call Klipsch. After 90 days it is between the buyer and dealer for warranties on B stock, not Klipsch. That is the deal they make with dealers when they sell their b stock speakers at discounted prices, according to the rep from Klipsch I spoke too.

I would love to read up on this, do you know what page numbers these discussions are on?

a little? hehe.

To clarify, you did not order A stock cherry 7's, you ordered A stock black 7's. Different products.

That difference aside, why not tell us all who you spoke with at OC, and what price, delivered, you got on A stock 7's - so we can all compare and contrast?

Cherry and black are the exact same price and MSRP. Not sure what point your making...

You can call Holly at onecall.com for pricing.

if someone else is buying what i did - cherry 7's - I hope it might be useful to know OC doesn't stock cherry 7's. "Special order" only. Special Order = wait 6-8 weeks. I'll let the forum mull likelihood any distributor ordering 1 pair of product at a time beats another distributor ordering 100 pairs at a time - on price. C'mon. My point was those looking for cherry 7's do better elsewhere, that's all.

tracing progress (updated again)!

8/29/2012 11:31:37 PM Arrived at WILMINGTON, OH
8/29/2012 12:26:58 PM Departed KANSAS CITY, MO in route to WILMINGTON, OH
8/29/2012 11:06:56 AM Arrived at KANSAS CITY, MO
8/28/2012 9:54:47 PM Departed DENVER, CO in route to KANSAS CITY, MO
8/28/2012 11:53:50 AM Departed SALT LAKE CITY, UT in route to DENVER, CO
8/28/2012 7:58:08 AM Arrived at SALT LAKE CITY, UT
8/27/2012 11:49:45 PM Departed origin terminal in route to SALT LAKE CITY, UT
8/27/2012 9:03:06 PM Arrived at origin terminal
8/27/2012 3:15:35 PM Picked Up in LAS VEGAS, NV
Edited by willybguy - 8/29/12 at 9:00pm

Disclaimer: I paid money for the amp and I don't have a golden ear (if I ever had it, I lost it by growing up on a farm with loud farm machinery).

I got my Crown today. I finally got off work and home a little after 8pm for a little play time. I don't really know how to describe the difference because I'm not all that familiar with the specific vocabulary used to describe these things. If I had to call it anything (that I made up) I would say that the amp added a punch. The bass always hit you out of these speakers. But now the mid-bass is like gun fire. So that's what I noticed. I would say that going from the Onkyo at 100w/ch (driven loud in 2 channel only for the most part) sounded great. With the Crown I think I'm getting the last 10%.

Overall it isn't that big of a change to my old ears filled with dirt. But I'll try to quantify the change. I had a Sony amp from the early 90s at 80w/ch. I ended up with a pair of Klipsch KG3.5s in the late 90s and the system sounded good. Then a channel went out on my old Sony and I bought an Onkyo TX-SR703, THX certified, and 100w/ch. I was surprised at how much of a difference the Onkyo made to the sound quality. It was big. Then I found the RF-7iis on sale and bought them. Once again, I just couldn't hardly believe that there was such a difference between the KG 3.5s and the RF-7iis. Sure, for about 10X the price (not adjusted for inflation), they better sound good, but I didn't expect it to be that big of a difference. There is a difference here between the Crown and the Onkyo, but it isn't as big as these previous two changes. I'm probably running into the old 80/20 rule at this point.

So what was it like hooking it up? I think this is a worthwhile type of question to answer based on some of the earlier questions.
I pulled the amp out of the box, hooked tab A in slot B as required. I had read that the pro-amps are looking for a stronger signal than what a consumer amp provides on the pre-outs so I set the gains on the Crown 2 clicks from the highest level. I kept the volume control on the Onkyo low and turned on some material just to make sure things were correct. They were. I then plugged the setup mic into my Onkyo and let it do its thing. My Onkyo is pre Auddyssey but it does the same basic stuff. The only change I made to the gross levels between channels was to turn down the center. But I always do that. The center always seems too loud to me. The gain on the Crown seemed to be about right as the setup program setup the speakers as nearly level across the front and I could get the amp to show clipping at very high volume levels.

I listened to a few songs and started to adjust the bass and treble. The room setup had really jacked the bass down. So I jacked it back up. It needed quite a bit more change than with just the Onkyo alone. I played with the treble level too. I haven't settled in on anything yet with it other than down a bit. There was just too much variation in the content I listened to. Even without cranking the bass level up, the punch, the hit to the chest was so much more noticeable. I love it. I only got about an hours worth of playing before my wife got home with our daughter and had to quit for the nigh.

The only thing I don't like is the audible hiss.

Need advice, in my dedicated media room, I am running a 7.1 system with klipsch r - 3650 in wall speakers for every channel except I just upgraded to the RC-62 center, what an amazing center channel to where it now has me contemplating whether the front in wall speakers are enough. If I were to upgrade to RS-62 floor standing speakers for front left /right, would it be mind blowing night and day noticeable difference from the in wall speakers ? Just wondering if it would be worth it to spend $1k. Only movies are played in the room, no music. Also, for a sub I have one sw 112.

Turn the gain down one notch , the hiss is from the high gain settings . pro-amps have hiss when the gain is up high , if you are getting near clipping the gain is too high anyway.

Will do. Thanks for the tip!!

Yes the difference would be very noticeable in a Good Way

Not sure what "one" notch equates too on your crown, but keep mind that most components in your chain will introduce some type of audible hiss/noise/hum when set to their upper output levels.

For instance, my LFE channel/signal runs from my AVR, to my SMS-1, to my amp then to my sub. If the "gain" of any single component within that chain is set too high it will introduce that hiss you are currently experiencing.

Find your sweetspot. Reading your post it sounds as though your audio chain consists of AVR to amp to RF-7's. Try this. Turn your equipment on and make sure the gain on your AVR and amp is all the way down. Now, do not play any music or anything yet and increase the volume of the AVR until you can hear any type of noise. If you are not getting any type of noise with your volume up to reference (0db) then great. Now turn your amp up until you start to hear any noise/hiss. Let's say that is 50%. Theoretically, if you leave the gain @ 50%, you should now be able to play whatever music you have up to the 0db point on your AVR without any hiss.

Am I making sense? This has always worked for me. Of course, introducing another component into the AVR chain can possibly introduce some noise as well due to grounding issues.

Others in the forum have upgraded our centers to RC-6X and then built out from there, you are not alone

I wonder sometimes if AVS couldn't somehow spin these little marketing tidbits into gold.

If that was your point it got lost in this rant and it seemed you were open to purchasing Black RF-7s if the price was right:


Welcome to the Audio Video Sales Forum, where there appear to be Blue-light Specials on Cherry B Stock & Black A Stock RF-7!!s for 1/2 Price!

Hiss has made me remove two amps from my chain.

So far, that is the best description I've heard of "before" and "after." Can you slightly clarify "Tab A" into "Slot B," and what that means, exactly?

I unhooked the mains from the back of the Onkyo and hooked them to the back of the Crown. The RCA inputs are color coded with Ch 2 in red for right channel. I hooked up an RCA cable to the pre-outs on the back of my Onkyo and the other end to the RCA inputs on the Crown. I plugged in the power, turned it on, and went to town. It is fairly simple. I wouldn't call it fool proof but highly fool resistant.


I turned the gain all the way down and with nothing else on there is still a hiss. It isn't loud at all, but it is there. If there is any content playing or if the A/C is on you cannot hear the hiss.

I currently have the following: front R and L are Energy RC10 while my center is an Energy RC-LCR. I'm looking for some small surrounds that would fit on the side of a soffit that only comes down about 10 inches. The Energy VS surrounds are a little to big. Do you think if I went with either the Klipsch Synergy S10 or the Klipsch RS41 II that they would sound ok? Can anyone tell me the difference between these two models? Thanks.

Also I know these have keyhole mounting but are there any decent brackets that would work with them that allow for a bit of aiming?

I'll be shopping for amps prob right after xmas; wondering if 'hiss,' is always going to be a factor, or is this situation unique? Do all amps have 'hiss' when they're set on high?

the hiss is what the difference in prices that pro vs home audio amps are at . You pay more for home audio amps to have a lower noise floor (Lack of hiss,lowest signal to noise ratio) . If you want a low cost power amp & can deal with hiss then a pro amp is for you , If not then stay with home audio amps

Pro amps do not necessarily have lesser S/N performance than home audio. More often than not they have better S/N. They have to, as they're used with high sensitivity horn loaded speakers that are far more revealing of noise than home audio speakers. In most cases problems using pro amps with consumer gear stems from the difference in the output level of the consumer gear and the input sensitivity of the pro amp, and the lack of balanced output connections with consumer gear.

My understanding, one wants a minimum of a 100dB noise floor and the Crown XLS1500 has a noise floor of 103dB.

Which brand of amps did you remove from your chain?

So Crown is "pro" - more noob questions - which categories are Rotel, Macintosh, Emotiva and Parasound - home or pro? Is there such thing as 'hybrid,' one that falls in between pro and home? Klipsch CS & Yamaha CS & Mike @ AVS (the lovely folks who host this forum) were helpful re: amps. Klipsch CS was very candid about amps, I found their feedback interesting, and they were not 'selling' me on their brand of course. I think I know which brand I'd like to try.

Dad is coming by tomorrow to help prep for arrival of my 7's. Last fall I grabbed the 1st StandOut Designs 62" Haven cabinet (cherry) ever produced, with the center channel shelf made to hold an RC-64 - but I never put on the 64 tilt rod, so we'll do that. We'll swap in my new AVR, run all my new speaker wire & banana plugs (AVR end only). I'm going to change which shelves hold which components, so (future) amp is adjacent to new AVR. The Haven has vented shelving, built-in thermostat controlled cooling fans. maybe it doesn't matter, but my thought = heat rises. So I'll put AVR to the bottom shelf, and leave room for amp on middle shelf, above it. Thoughts?

My 7's are on 2nd to last leg of the journey....I am so.... amped.

8/30/2012 11:58:36 AM Departed WILMINGTON, OH in route to NEWARK, NJ
8/29/2012 11:31:37 PM Arrived at WILMINGTON, OH
8/29/2012 12:26:58 PM Departed KANSAS CITY, MO in route to WILMINGTON, OH
8/29/2012 11:06:56 AM Arrived at KANSAS CITY, MO
8/28/2012 9:54:47 PM Departed DENVER, CO in route to KANSAS CITY, MO
8/28/2012 11:53:50 AM Departed SALT LAKE CITY, UT in route to DENVER, CO
8/28/2012 7:58:08 AM Arrived at SALT LAKE CITY, UT
8/27/2012 11:49:45 PM Departed origin terminal in route to SALT LAKE CITY, UT
8/27/2012 9:03:06 PM Arrived at origin terminal
8/27/2012 3:15:35 PM Picked Up in LAS VEGAS, NV