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post #20161 of 22814
9/6/12 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

WOW Awsome when it finished.. posta pic as you go. Some day when I re do my garage.
BeeMan 458 Thanks.. I never thought I would it to 62 and still be able to walk wink.gif
I use to never trust anyone over 30 biggrin.gif

Now you don't want anybody under sixty providing services for you.

I'm sorry, you don't have enough experience.

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post #20162 of 22814
9/6/12 at 2:44pm
I've been offered a good deal on the following speaker package:

(2) RF-52 II towers
(1) RF-52 II center
(2) RF-42 II surrounds

I can replace the towers with RF-62 II towers for an additional cost. Would there be any issues with the setup with having 62 II towers with a 52 II center or should I keep the same model for both the fronts and center?
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post #20163 of 22814
9/6/12 at 5:49pm
I just got my RF-7's and they sound great and I can't wait for my RC-64 to arrive. I have no hissing or ground noise that others refer too with the RF-7's. I am very pleased with the upgrade so far!!

Audioholics Home Theatre Store gave me an incredible price on the RC-64 II center channel, I recommend contacting them as they will negotiate pricing on most items.
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post #20164 of 22814
9/6/12 at 6:30pm
The reports of hiss are more related to amplifiers than speakers.
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post #20165 of 22814
9/6/12 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

I just got my RF-7's and they sound great and I can't wait for my RC-64 to arrive. I have no hissing or ground noise that others refer too with the RF-7's. I am very pleased with the upgrade so far!!
Audioholics Home Theatre Store gave me an incredible price on the RC-64 II center channel, I recommend contacting them as they will negotiate pricing on most items.

Those are great sounding. Enjoy. My next Klipsch and move my RC-62 to the bedroom system.
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post #20166 of 22814
9/6/12 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Thanks it's a work in progress.We moved it all into a much smaller room and WOW my old Cornwalls never sounded better then they do right now. I should have done this 25 years ago. Three Black HT recliners will take the place of the sofa. And one of those solid wood flat screen cabinets that has a cut out for your center speaker.
It has fans built in the back and cabinet extensions in the rear too. nice but expensive. I want ceiling lights too or a light bar mounted in the ceiling. I just turned 62 and retired.in a few more weeks SS checks Finally after 45 years. now I will have extra money for up grades as the wife still works so it's tuff right now on one pay check.

Nice room, Louis. I can see the quality of the finish on the cornwalls, amazing. I'm excited for you re: tricked out solid wood cabinet. Ioving my cabinet ... didn't fully appreciate venting features until upgrading components. I was almost disappointed before, the cooling fans didn't go on often. With new AVR & RF-7s, cooling fans come on more now. If I put my hand in the compartment i feel updraft through vented floor and vented shelves. At first I thought all the venting was overkill, but i realize now how important it is. Fans go on about 87 degrees and go off about 80 degrees. They're so quiet I still have to get up and check biggrin.gif

You're right on - handmade hardwood furniture is expensive. I was so excited the day I got my free wood samples and knew it would match the cherry 7's down the road. I know you'll enjoy yours, brings it all together, great satisfaction.
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post #20167 of 22814
9/6/12 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Those are great sounding. Enjoy. My next Klipsch and move my RC-62 to the bedroom system.

I also would like to move my rc-62 to my game room with my old rf-62's.
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post #20168 of 22814
9/6/12 at 9:35pm
I just bought a pair of B-20 from the synergy line of speakers. Funnily and unfortunate it was only a one day 200$ sale on amazon..

I want to mate them with emotiva ready for my 7.x setup I'm building slowing, with all B-20's for speakers. I am going to getting 2x emotiva UPA-200 for the frontstage duties rated at 125rms 8ohms.

Since they are rated at 85W rms - My question is for the surround sides/rears would a UPA-500 - the 5x 80watt amp rated at 8ohms, be adequade for most blu-ray movie tracks playing -10 to -20 db reference?

Or shall I go for the xpa-5 for all of the frontstage and side rears, to give a lot of overhead?
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post #20169 of 22814
9/7/12 at 6:14am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

I just bought a pair of B-20 from the synergy line of speakers. Funnily and unfortunate it was only a one day 200$ sale on amazon..
I want to mate them with emotiva ready for my 7.x setup I'm building slowing, with all B-20's for speakers. I am going to getting 2x emotiva UPA-200 for the frontstage duties rated at 125rms 8ohms.
Since they are rated at 85W rms - My question is for the surround sides/rears would a UPA-500 - the 5x 80watt amp rated at 8ohms, be adequade for most blu-ray movie tracks playing -10 to -20 db reference?
Or shall I go for the xpa-5 for all of the frontstage and side rears, to give a lot of overhead?
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

I just bought a pair of B-20 from the synergy line of speakers. Funnily and unfortunate it was only a one day 200$ sale on amazon..
I want to mate them with emotiva ready for my 7.x setup I'm building slowing, with all B-20's for speakers. I am going to getting 2x emotiva UPA-200 for the frontstage duties rated at 125rms 8ohms.
Since they are rated at 85W rms - My question is for the surround sides/rears would a UPA-500 - the 5x 80watt amp rated at 8ohms, be adequade for most blu-ray movie tracks playing -10 to -20 db reference?
Or shall I go for the xpa-5 for all of the frontstage and side rears, to give a lot of overhead?

which per/pro or avr are you using? external amps with those speakers would be a waste of money IMO.
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post #20170 of 22814
9/7/12 at 6:45am
Pulled the trigger on a pair of Rf-62IIs, set them up last night, they're absolutely commanding my setup now biggrin.gif

I can't believe clarity and realism of just the two of these in stereo mode - Jeff Beck, Diana Krall and John Mayer shined!

Can't wait to get home from work!
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post #20171 of 22814
9/7/12 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

which per/pro or avr are you using? external amps with those speakers would be a waste of money IMO.

Planning on the onyko nr5008. Beast from what I know, want it for audyssey x32, vast preouts and 3D. But do I want
to use it on 9 channels driven? Most say it's not the best situation because ratings don't take into account 9 channels
running the max rms with (in this case) b-20 synergies on monster titles like Tron Leg. or Iron Man, etc. I don't want to
be left disappointed noticing any distortion.

I appreciate your opinion I do. Though really I am after overkill to even stretch my system to reference in time once
I have sound proofing and treatments to get away with it.

Just wondering if overkill is gotten from the upa-200's for frontstage, or if that headroom peace of mind will come from
an xpa-5.

The 3 UPA series emotiva amps will cost more than the single xpa-5 in fact, though I'd like all my speakers run with the
same amps for a consistency of sound. Again though if the UPA-200 are not sufficient "overkill" I would like to know that
and just focus on the xpa-3 or 5 to dedicate that overkill to the front 3 speakers. smile.gif
Edited by Nick n Skullsue - 9/7/12 at 7:14am
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post #20172 of 22814
9/7/12 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

...The 3 UPA series emotiva amps will cost more than the single xpa-5 in fact, though I'd like all my speakers run with the
same amps for a consistency of sound. Again though if the UPA-200 are not sufficient "overkill" I would like to know that
and just focus on the xpa-3 or 5 to dedicate that overkill to the front 3 speakers. smile.gif

I would upgrade your speakers instead of purchasing all of those amps.
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post #20173 of 22814
9/7/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I would upgrade your speakers instead of purchasing all of those amps.

Good Advice. spend the Big $$ on speakers. amps AVR etc will come and go. Purchase the best speakers First and build around them.
I have a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls I got new 1979 that still sound great after all these years. I have had tube seperates, SS seperates
and now I am on my 3rd AVR and they all sounded great on them.
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post #20174 of 22814
9/7/12 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I would upgrade your speakers instead of purchasing all of those amps.

Explain how that makes sense.

Do you really recommend I spend the money on speakers that will run more load and hence get no
external amps? Because that seems to me to be opening myself up to distortion with my AVR and
cornering me into buying the amps anyway out of neccesity

Im not really after another spanner in the works, to run up more money.

I am after a path based on the speakers I just ordered. Why there is even a suggestion of different
speakers is bizarre. Just trying to verify my aims. Welcoming opinions along those lines.
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post #20175 of 22814
9/7/12 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

Planning on the onyko nr5008. Beast from what I know, want it for audyssey x32, vast preouts and 3D. But do I want
to use it on 9 channels driven? Most say it's not the best situation because ratings don't take into account 9 channels
running the max rms with (in this case) b-20 synergies on monster titles like Tron Leg. or Iron Man, etc. I don't want to
be left disappointed noticing any distortion.
I appreciate your opinion I do. Though really I am after overkill to even stretch my system to reference in time once
I have sound proofing and treatments to get away with it.
Just wondering if overkill is gotten from the upa-200's for frontstage, or if that headroom peace of mind will come from
an xpa-5.
The 3 UPA series emotiva amps will cost more than the single xpa-5 in fact, though I'd like all my speakers run with the
same amps for a consistency of sound. Again though if the UPA-200 are not sufficient "overkill" I would like to know that
and just focus on the xpa-3 or 5 to dedicate that overkill to the front 3 speakers. smile.gif
The only flaw I see your plan is the $200.oo speakers .... while the AVR & amps are really good choices those speakers you selected are not near the quality of the rest of the gear
NOW if your intention is to get the electronic gear now that's higher quality & THEN later upgrade your speakers ; it's a good plan
those B-20's are not going to be able to deliver on the high dynamics that you seem to expect on those movie titles .
for cost effectiveness the XPA-5 is best way to power a HT over the multiple UPA's

All above is I M H O ......... smile.gif
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post #20176 of 22814
9/7/12 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

Explain how that makes sense.
Do you really recommend I spend the money on speakers that will run more load and hence get no
external amps? Because that seems to me to be opening myself up to distortion with my AVR and
cornering me into buying the amps anyway out of neccesity
Im not really after another spanner in the works, to run up more money.
I am after a path based on the speakers I just ordered. Why there is even a suggestion of different
speakers is bizarre. Just trying to verify my aims. Welcoming opinions along those lines.
OK to put it another way , Your plan is fine But I will predict that once you have ALL the above gear in place you find that the system will lack punch ..
You got what seems to you a fantastic deal on the speakers when in reality it's NOT a great deal .
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post #20177 of 22814
9/7/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

The only flaw I see your plan is the $200.oo speakers .... while the AVR & amps are really good choices those speakers you selected are not near the quality of the rest of the gear
NOW if your intention is to get the electronic gear now that's higher quality & THEN later upgrade your speakers ; it's a good plan
those B-20's are not going to be able to deliver on the high dynamics that you seem to expect on those movie titles .
for cost effectiveness the XPA-5 is best way to power a HT over the multiple UPA's
All above is I M H O ......... smile.gif

Cheers. Well I could elaborate my history with HT. I used to run 4" KEF satelites and a good 25-150hz sub in an open appartment.

My titles sounded amazing to me, good lossless dynamics but I had no treatments and only a mid-range Onkyo. So over time I
understood it could be better with better speakers and better power with seperates to avoid distortion of an AVR

In my reaching out for advice on my next step (and move to a new town) I dumped all my old gear, and basically consensus was
my old setup looked nice and spec'd ok but bookshelves LCR of a number of brands including synergy would prove to be a much
better sound setup than ive had before.

I'd always wanted to but for money. Now I have a budget for my next place.

Little hamstrung by living in australia. I can't spend 500$ on speakers that barely rival a bookshelf like synergy because no place
here has return policy and I live in a mining town, no place within 700 miles to demo.

Leaves me with amazon. I was tossing up the JBL LC2 speaker which seems awesome but I want to really like how a speaker looks
in my layout.

I have to buy things in stages and hedge my bets with option to re-sell anything that doesn't work for me. This is why you can't really
say "oh spend 1500 on better speakers instead of amps" because its too vague and doesnt fit how I can do this.

If I really don't notice a difference between the b-20's and my old KEF with blu-ray sound, hell I'll sell them and consider more expensive
speakers.
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post #20178 of 22814
9/7/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

Cheers. Well I could elaborate my history with HT. I used to run 4" KEF satelites and a good 25-150hz sub in an open appartment.
My titles sounded amazing to me, good lossless dynamics but I had no treatments and only a mid-range Onkyo. So over time I
understood it could be better with better speakers and better power with seperates to avoid distortion of an AVR
In my reaching out for advice on my next step (and move to a new town) I dumped all my old gear, and basically consensus was
my old setup looked nice and spec'd ok but bookshelves LCR of a number of brands including synergy would prove to be a much
better sound setup than ive had before.
I'd always wanted to but for money. Now I have a budget for my next place.
Little hamstrung by living in australia. I can't spend 500$ on speakers that barely rival a bookshelf like synergy because no place
here has return policy and I live in a mining town, no place within 700 miles to demo.
Leaves me with amazon. I was tossing up the JBL LC2 speaker which seems awesome but I want to really like how a speaker looks
in my layout.
I have to buy things in stages and hedge my bets with option to re-sell anything that doesn't work for me. This is why you can't really
say "oh spend 1500 on better speakers because its too vague and doesnt fit how I can do this.
If I really don't notice a difference between the b-20's and my old KEF with blu-ray sound, hell I'll sell them and consider more expensive
speakers.
I understand completely,
And if you find the speakers don't do what you expect & you expect to sell them .. been there done done that myself ,
BTW look at a TX-NR1010 instead of the TX-NR5009 I have a TX-NR5008 & a TX-NR1009( thou this model doesn't have XT32) huge difference in prices & I can't really say the 5008 sounds any better than the 1009 both the 5009 & the 1009 ,1010 (the 1010 does have XT32)have the same features
my 5008 is in a box & I use the 1009 now , I run 9 channels powered by Emotiva UPA-7 & UPA-2 both not made anymore , I plan on moving up to the XPA line soon .
Edited by Fastslappy - 9/7/12 at 9:13am
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9/7/12 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

I understand completely,

And if you find the speakers don't do what you expect & you expect to sell them .. been there done done that myself ,
BTW look at a TX-NR1010 instead of the TX-NR5009 I have a TX-NR5008 & a TX-NR1009( thou this model doesn't
have XT32) huge difference in prices & I can't really say the 5008 sounds any better than the 1009 both the 5009 & the
1009 ,1010 (the 1010 does have XT32)have the same features my 5008 is in a box & I use the 1009 now , I run 9 channels
powered by Emotiva UPA-7 & UPA-2 both not made anymore , I plan on moving up to the XPA line soon .

Nice. You may have just saved me 1,200$ in my budget (I could put to better use on speakers if im unhappy in 13 days hah)

The model 5008 I planned on was a demo stock from an online store here in aussie land though. I was getting it with a payment plan thing. Which
was a positive.

But it was a payment which would run 2,500 over the span of the agreement.

Question. I see that the Onkyo TX-NR818 is even cheaper than your recommendation and doesn't sacrifice anything except 5W/ch power?
Is that correct

I can import that for $1300 odd. And I cannot import the 1010. And no australian stores dont stock either model (1010/818) for comparable prices

Sorry to derail the thread from speakers but this is interesting. It isn't the best thing to be paying for the AVR in full, but I could justify
it if its that good of a difference in money down in the long run.
Edited by Nick n Skullsue - 9/7/12 at 9:55am
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9/7/12 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

Nice. You may have just saved me 1,200$ in my budget (I could put to better use on speakers if im unhappy in 13 days hah)
The model 5008 I planned on was a demo stock from an online store here in aussie land though. I was getting it with a payment plan thing. Which
was a positive.
But it was a payment which would run 2,500 over the span of the agreement.
Question. I see that the Onkyo TX-NR818 is even cheaper than your recommendation and doesn't sacrifice anything except 5W/ch power?
Is that correct
I can import that for $1300 odd. And I cannot import the 1010. And no australian stores dont stock it for comparable price
Sorry to derail the thread from speakers but this is interesting. It isn't the best thing to be paying for the AVR in full, but I could justify
it if its that good of a difference in money down in the long run.
the 818 is the best deal out there on a 9 channel pre-out AVR

STAY AWAY from any 5008 & any other 008 line Onkyo there is a known QC problem with ALL of them . they pooched the poodle on the whole years production . It is a flux residue problem that corrupts the PCB's
the X008's are on sale at a huge discount due to this problem there are more than one Klipsch thread poster who have had major problems with X008's
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post #20181 of 22814
9/7/12 at 10:00am
here's the thread on the X008 problems



http://www.avsforum.com/t/1339186/the-official-onkyo-rc270-nr708-nr808-nr1008-nr5008-integra-80-2-failure-thread/40_40#post_20538435
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9/7/12 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

Explain how that makes sense.
Do you really recommend I spend the money on speakers that will run more load and hence get no
external amps? Because that seems to me to be opening myself up to distortion with my AVR and
cornering me into buying the amps anyway out of neccesity
Im not really after another spanner in the works, to run up more money.
I am after a path based on the speakers I just ordered. Why there is even a suggestion of different
speakers is bizarre. Just trying to verify my aims. Welcoming opinions along those lines.

Higher sound quality? Love the spanner reference. I'm a confirmed Klipsch kind of guy but if not already mentioned, there's a lot of love here for SHO-10's. I've never heard them but those that have (they look like studio monitors) swear by them and for their reviewed sound quality, qualify as high quality, budget minded, home theater speakers.

Frequency Response: 72 Hz – 18 kHz +/- 3 dB
Impedance: 8 Ohms nominal
Sensitivity: 97 dB (2.83 Volts @ one meter, anechoic)

Yes, you'll need a pair of subs to fill their lower octaves out. But, pretty much, anything you buy today will need a pair of subs, so that point may be moot.

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9/7/12 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

Explain how that makes sense.
Do you really recommend I spend the money on speakers that will run more load and hence get no
external amps? Because that seems to me to be opening myself up to distortion with my AVR and
cornering me into buying the amps anyway out of neccesity
Im not really after another spanner in the works, to run up more money.
I am after a path based on the speakers I just ordered. Why there is even a suggestion of different
speakers is bizarre. Just trying to verify my aims. Welcoming opinions along those lines.

Wow! eek.gif You are contemplating spending more money on your Home Theater than I did on mine and have nowhere near the sound quality. I have no desire to give you anymore advice because it's your money and Fastslappy and Louis seem to have a better temperament than myself and are steering you in the right direction. Good Luck.
Edited by Zen Traveler - 9/7/12 at 10:19am
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9/7/12 at 10:58am
Not to pick away but again you are not presenting me with much sense, and no details on how you spent
less money than I will be for better sound quality? so that I could even measure that claim. I can only assume
you only have an AVR, and spent more than 1500$ on speakers.

From the beginning of my posts in this thread I've been saying my aim is to have sufficient overhead in
powering my setup. (thankfully duely noted as "future proofing") After doing the 2 years of research I have
I'm not about to fall into the trap of spending 4000$ on speakers, and then powering them with a mid-range
AVR resulting in distortion. Coz I sure can't spend money on amps if I spend that much. And doing the sums,
9 rb-61 II reference klipsch will run me about 3500 from the only vendor I can attain them.

I didn't actually seek advice on how the speakers sound, and whether it lives up anyones standards or criteria
for division of money building a HT.

I was asking technical questions about powering 9 identical speakers on a number of amp combos. I don't
think I need to be steered to something that stops you from going "wow".

I love hearing the advice that speaks to me and solves things, so maybe Im harsh and elaborate in my responses.
Sorry.

Fastslappy is my hero for giving me the advice on the 1010 onkyo AVR! smile.gif
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9/7/12 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Nick n Skullsue View Post

I was asking technical questions about powering 9 identical speakers on a number of amp combos.

A suggestion would be to look into Outlaw Amps for their 7-channel choices. Add a two channel Amp for the mains for a total of nine channels.

One could also go with a pair of Emotiva, XPA-5 Amps. That would give you ten matched channels of 200w's each for about $1,800.00 USD. Of course, international shipping may be extra.
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post #20186 of 22814
9/7/12 at 12:08pm
The advice you are getting on forgoing the amps for your speakers is good unless your room is huge and you like to listen at deafening levels.

Google one of the SPL calculators and run the numbers for yourself to better understand the recommendations.
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9/7/12 at 12:32pm
wondering what everyone thought of klipsch in ceiling speakers, looking at possible having to do this in my new house being built, would like to keep the rf-7's and hope the rc-7 will be ready by time move in. I can still mount my rs-52s as my side surrounds, but the rear rb-61s may not fit.
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post #20188 of 22814
9/7/12 at 12:51pm
It wouldn't be that big a deal for rears. Better to not, but that's about the best place to have a compromise.
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9/7/12 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

The reports of hiss are more related to amplifiers than speakers.

hooked up to Emotiva XPA5, I think the hiss is related to these speakers. Do a search of the members that have the hiss with or with out external amplifiers when using these speakers. Even Emotiva CSR states it is possible on such sensitive/effiecient speakers such as Klipsch.
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9/7/12 at 1:46pm
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wondering what everyone thought of klipsch in ceiling speakers, looking at possible having to do this in my new house being built, would like to keep the rf-7's and hope the rc-7 will be ready by time move in. I can still mount my rs-52s as my side surrounds, but the rear rb-61s may not fit.
in walls have problem in due to if you ever up-grade ya Pooched that Poodle already , as them holes are there ! I'm Just sayin' keep that in mind when planning a room , don't back yourself into corner ....... the best laid plans thingy L O L ... smile.gif
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