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post #20281 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

When running the Klipsch RC-64II as a center channel, should I still leave the center speaker setting at small when running Audessy? I have always had my center channels set to small but the RC64 is a beast.

I would run all of your speakers as Small and set a crossover...If you have a denon go into Bass mgmt and see what it recommends. If it sees your RF-7s as 40 Hz and you have a capable sub I would bump it up to 60 or 80 Hz.
post #20282 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

When running the Klipsch RC-64II as a center channel, should I still leave the center speaker setting at small when running Audessy? I have always had my center channels set to small but the RC64 is a beast.

Just as a side note, any speaker changes you make before running Audyssey set up, will be ignored by Audyssey. You'll want to make the changes after the Audyssey Speaker set up.
post #20283 of 35253
I'm also looking at some surround in-wall speakers. And the difference between the two i'm looking at are just the woofer composition. One says IMG woofer the other says Cerametallic woofer. Can anybody shed some light on the difference between the two (quality and sound)? Thanks
post #20284 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

When running the Klipsch RC-64II as a center channel, should I still leave the center speaker setting at small when running Audessy? I have always had my center channels set to small but the RC64 is a beast.

Yes. That's how Audyssey sees (hears/records) the RC-64 II. I have a Marantz, SR5007 with a RC-64 II center channel and it's set to small. Small is a misnomer in that it doesn't see the speaker as small but keys on the frequency it records the speaker producing. It recognizes our mains as large and full and tells the AVR to set the settings accordingly. The each main has two, 10" woofers as opposed to the four 6.5" woofers in the RC-64 II.

FWIW, in the case of the RC-64 II, Audyssey tells the AVR to set itself to small and the LPF to the subwoofer channel to 60Hz.

Hope the above helps.

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post #20285 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

When running the Klipsch RC-64II as a center channel, should I still leave the center speaker setting at small when running Audessy? I have always had my center channels set to small but the RC64 is a beast.

Experiment...

I was a bit disappointed with my reference setup until I experimented with setting my LCR to large to give them a good workout... If you watch movies below reference it's not unreasonable/dangerous for the RF-7II or RC64II. I've pushed them HARD and they take it in stride.

I've since set them back to small, but I was surprised to hear how good they sounded playing the full spectrum...
post #20286 of 35253
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

FWIW, in the case of the RC-64 II, Audyssey tells the AVR to set itself to small and the LPF to the subwoofer channel to 60Hz.
Hope the above helps.
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This is not correct.

{Edit: I don't desire to get into a debate, but if you think I am wrong post in the "Official Audyssey" thread in the AVR section.
Edited by Zen Traveler - 9/13/12 at 8:03pm
post #20287 of 35253
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

... If you watch movies below reference it's not unreasonable/dangerous for the RF-7II or RC64II. I've pushed them HARD and they take it in stride.
I've since set them back to small, but I was surprised to hear how good they sounded playing the full spectrum...

...Only if you don't have a capable sub is it recommended to do this.
post #20288 of 35253
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

This is not correct.
{Edit: I don't desire to get into a debate, but if you think I am wrong post in the "Official Audyssey" thread in the AVR section.

Then little gremlins are telling the AVR to change it's settings. It's that or the AVR randomly changes it's settings to settings that just happen to match what Audyssey comes up with.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 9/13/12 at 8:18pm
post #20289 of 35253
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

FWIW, in the case of the RC-64 II, Audyssey tells the AVR to set itself to small and the LPF to the subwoofer channel to 60Hz.
Hope the above helps.
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Btw, NO ONE should set the "LPF" to 60 Hz and there isn't a source on the intenet that will tell a person to do so.
post #20290 of 35253
After running Audessy, it set my center to small and my RF-7's to large automatically. I am pleased with the way it sounds now but I am coming from a Klipsch VF-36 system.
post #20291 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

After running Audessy, it set my center to small and my RF-7's to large automatically. I am pleased with the way it sounds now but I am coming from a Klipsch VF-36 system.

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post #20292 of 35253
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

FWIW, in the case of the RC-64 II, Audyssey tells the AVR to set itself to small and the LPF to the subwoofer channel to 60Hz.
Hope the above helps.
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Btw, NO ONE should set the "LPF" to 60 Hz and there isn't a source on the intenet that will tell a person to do so.

Correct. The member you refer to refuses to acknowledge that LFE and LPF are not the same, let alone how Audyssey works.
post #20293 of 35253
I have the Klipsch KLF-C7 and Audyssey MultEQ XT (Denon 3311) set the center to full range. I am not surprised considering the low end I get from the C7. RC-64 II should have been set as full range?

When I watch TV. I just set all my fronts (KG 5.2, the big guys smile.gif) and center C7 to SMALL and crossover to 40Hz and turn off the power strip to the sub as I dont like the thumping bass when I watch TV. This way I am not bothered by too much bass for TV but at the same time get just enough bass for the MusicChoice channels on Comcast. I watch DVD's only on weekends and turn off the power strip to the sub on weekdays.
Edited by Mupi - 9/14/12 at 3:00am
post #20294 of 35253
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you can challenge (the information in) the post but don't attack the poster...

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post #20295 of 35253
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

...Only if you don't have a capable sub is it recommended to do this.

I'm trying to keep your post into context because what you are quoting from my post references having my LCR set to large and small. I'm assuming your comment was in direct response to me setting my mains back to small, correct?

I think pretty much everyone here is in agreement that capable subs are essential to complete a good HT experience. All I was saying that when I turned my subs off and set my LCR to large just to experiment, I was pleasantly surprised. The place I demoed my RF-7's at didn't touch what they were capable of...

Makes me wonder how good the K-Horns sound and have convinced me that the Jubilees will be a great next purchase.
post #20296 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

After running Audessy, it set my center to small and my RF-7's to large automatically. I am pleased with the way it sounds now but I am coming from a Klipsch VF-36 system.

Actually Audyssey does not set anything. Audyssey just measures and reports to the AVR. The AVR manufacturer sets parameters that determine large or small. Anyway, for a setup that uses a capable sub/subs, you should always run the speakers set to small.
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post #20297 of 35253
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Actually Audyssey does not set anything. Audyssey just measures and reports to the AVR. The AVR manufacturer sets parameters that determine large or small. Anyway, for a setup that uses a capable sub/subs, you should always run the speakers set to small.

This becomes a ridiculous circular argument as Audyssey takes measurements, levels the EQ to the room acoustics and the AVR does with the measurements what it will as it's all a symbiotic relationship between Audyssey and the AVR manufacture based upon previously agreed to parameters. Makes it hard to have a civil conversation if everybody's going split hairs over who scoops the ice cream.

I can reset to original manufacture's settings, run Audyssey and the settings will have changed but folks want me to believe that Audyssey has nothing to do with these changes and it's all the AVR acting independent of Audyssey. If I don't run Audyssey, the AVR factory settings stay the same. I for one, based upon personal experience of seeing first hand, changes Audyssey has made via a feedback loop to the AVR, will not accept the premise that Audyssey is passive. To me that's like saying I have nothing to do with the chlorine content of a pool as it's the quantity of chlorine itself that changes the PPM reading.

The point, in the final, it's hair splitting as in fact, it's an agreed upon, close, personal, intentionally agreed upon symbiotic relationship between the AVR manufacture and Audyssey.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 9/14/12 at 8:48am
post #20298 of 35253
^^^^

Since when did correctly describing how Audyssey works become "hair splitting"

This has been explained to you many times in many threads. Your desire to create your own version of how these devices and technologies work is consistent and consistently wrong.

Feel free to believe what you like, but don't expect everyone else to abandon accurate working knowledge of the actual operational model of the AVR and Audyssey.
post #20299 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Since when did correctly describing how Audyssey works become "hair splitting"

Since the mode of interaction became accepted lore.
post #20300 of 35253
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Since when did correctly describing how Audyssey works become "hair splitting"

Since the mode of interaction became accepted lore.

Sorry, but your version is "lore". Everyone else is dealing with fact.

Unless, that is, you think you know more about Audyssey than the Audyssey engineers who have been quite clear on the operational processes involved. Incredibly, you seem to believe you are.

No issue with whatever you want to believe however incorrect it may be, but others are here to learn and your constant stream of misinformation is making that difficult for those don't have the full perspective on your alternate reality.
post #20301 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Sorry, but your version is "lore". Everyone else is dealing with fact.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lore

"1. Accumulated facts, traditions, or beliefs about a particular subject."
post #20302 of 35253
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

To me. it depends on far away are you setting. I would start out small for HD/Bluray HT use and see how it sounds. My room correction set up my Cornwalls as small when I ran the mic program. My RC-62(set as small) is only 7 feet back and Corns are 7 feet apart towed in some I have increased the gain so I hear the voices better on my RC-62 for some Blurays, getting older.smile.gif

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post #20303 of 35253
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I'm trying to keep your post into context because what you are quoting from my post references having my LCR set to large and small. I'm assuming your comment was in direct response to me setting my mains back to small, correct?

I am sorry for the confusion and my response was to anyone running their speakers as Large with a capable sub. I agree about changing it to Small and setting an appropriate crossover.
post #20304 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

After running Audessy, it set my center to small and my RF-7's to large automatically. I am pleased with the way it sounds now but I am coming from a Klipsch VF-36 system.

In the Audyssey thread over in the AVR section the CTO of Audyssey, Chris Kyriakakis said that when the AVR sets the speakers as large one should go in and set them to small and set a crossover...Fwiw, I have RF-7s and run larger speakers all of the way around in a 7.1 (using 2 subs) and tried everything between 40 Hz to 80 Hz and found that 60 Hz was the happy medium where my speakers and subs blended seamlessly.
post #20305 of 35253
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Sorry, but your version is "lore". Everyone else is dealing with fact.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lore

"1. Accumulated facts, traditions, or beliefs about a particular subject."

You consistently go to great lengths to avoid simply saying you are wrong.

Keep on tilting at your imaginary Audyssey/AVR windmill Don Quixote.
post #20306 of 35253
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

In the Audyssey thread over in the AVR section the CTO of Audyssey, Chris Kyriakakis said that when the AVR sets the speakers as large one should go in and set them to small and set a crossover...Fwiw, I have RF-7s and run larger speakers all of the way around in a 7.1 (using 2 subs) and tried everything between 40 Hz to 80 Hz and found that 60 Hz was the happy medium where my speakers and subs blended seamlessly.

I'm sure Beeman will attempt to get Chris K. straightened out on how to properly use Audyssey rolleyes.gif
post #20307 of 35253
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Actually Audyssey does not set anything. Audyssey just measures and reports to the AVR. The AVR manufacturer sets parameters that determine large or small. Anyway, for a setup that uses a capable sub/subs, you should always run the speakers set to small.

Is a SVS PB13 ultra a "capable" sub?
post #20308 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Actually Audyssey does not set anything. Audyssey just measures and reports to the AVR. The AVR manufacturer sets parameters that determine large or small. Anyway, for a setup that uses a capable sub/subs, you should always run the speakers set to small.

Is a SVS PB13 ultra a "capable" sub?

Yes, the PB13 is definitely a capable sub
post #20309 of 35253
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Originally Posted by bermise View Post

Is a SVS PB13 ultra a "capable" sub?

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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Yes, the PB13 is definitely a capable sub

That sub is soo beeman...

Go with something more beefy. Check the DIY section and build your own like I did!
post #20310 of 35253
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lore
"1. Accumulated facts, traditions, or beliefs about a particular subject."

In this case, key word in bold.

....Or is that out of context?
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