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Is a SVS PB13 ultra a "capable" sub?

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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Yes, the PB13 is definitely a capable sub

That sub is soo beeman...

Go with something more beefy. Check the DIY section and build your own like I did!

Beeman aside, Let's not get the OP spun up. Not everyone wants to DIY (though a great option if one wants to) and only on AVS would a PB13 be referred to as "not capable" in the context of providing a solid bottom end supporting speakers set to small.
post #20312 of 35399
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Beeman aside, Let's not get the OP spun up. Not everyone wants to DIY (though a great option if one wants to) and only on AVS would a PB13 be referred to as "not capable" in the context of providing a solid bottom end supporting speakers set to small.

But really, the PB13 is great... I would seriously recommend it to anyone... Based soley on the rave reviews I've heard from every single owner. I was just playing around. It's really hard not to give beeman a hard time...
post #20313 of 35399
This is not a response to any post nor I am defending anyone. Just wanted to say this as it comes up all the time and causes heated arguments.

Sure Audyssey does the measurements and correction but the AVR does not magically set the speakers to any size. It sets the speaker size based on the input/measurement from Audyssey. So you cant say that the AVR is acting independently. Even if the decision making is done by the AVR, I would presume there are some guidelines provided by folks at Audyssey to the AVR manufacturers regarding how to set the speakers based on the measurement i.e what is "Full Range". If this decision is solely made by the manufacturer, irrespective of the measurements made by Audyssey, then you could say that the AVR is setting the size. I doubt if that is the case as the AVR manufacturer has no way to make that decision without knowing the measurements i.e capability of the speaker, which is provided by Audyssey.

So lets not bring up the argument about who is setting the speaker size every time this topic is discussed. When someone says Audyssey is setting or AVR is setting the size. it is imperative that it was an act in unison.
post #20314 of 35399
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

In the Audyssey thread over in the AVR section the CTO of Audyssey, Chris Kyriakakis said that when the AVR sets the speakers as large one should go in and set them to small and set a crossover...Fwiw, I have RF-7s and run larger speakers all of the way around in a 7.1 (using 2 subs) and tried everything between 40 Hz to 80 Hz and found that 60 Hz was the happy medium where my speakers and subs blended seamlessly.

Yep I do the same. Though Audyssey/AVR detects my front 3 speakers as full range, when I watch a movie I set them as small and the crossover at 80. I have tried 60 and 80 and didnt notice a significant difference. Like I said before, when I watch TV, I just turn off the power strip to the sub but the sub is still set in the AVR as "yes", front speakers to small and crossover set to 40 so that I dont hear the thumping while watching TV. I still get a lot of bass which is good for MusicChoice channels. If I am going to just watch some program and not listen to MusicChoice at all, I set the crossover to 80 so avoid the annoying bass in a program or commercials. I dont care if I am missing the bass in a male voice if he is just talking and not singing smile.gif
post #20315 of 35399
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

KlipschSetup-1.jpg
RF-7II Pic smorgasbord!

Awesome room and set up nice job! biggrin.gif

http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=Reference_head
post #20316 of 35399
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Yep I do the same. Though Audyssey/AVR detects my front 3 speakers as full range, when I watch a movie I set them as small and the crossover at 80. I have tried 60 and 80 and didnt notice a significant difference. Like I said before, when I watch TV, I just turn off the power strip to the sub but the sub is still set in the AVR as "yes", front speakers to small and crossover set to 40 so that I dont hear the thumping while watching TV. I still get a lot of bass which is good for MusicChoice channels. If I am going to just watch some program and not listen to MusicChoice at all, I set the crossover to 80 so avoid the annoying bass in a program or commercials. I dont care if I am missing the bass in a male voice if he is just talking and not singing smile.gif

As new RF-7ii owner (and new AVR to drive 'em) I read lots of Audyssey posts before staying w/ Yamaha & their calibration, YPAO. After hooking up new 7's & putting RC64 on tilt rod, new fresh copper wire, banana plugs at AVR end (omg why didn't i do that sooner) ran YPAO again. Settings listed below. Calibration also includes 12D sub, & re-purposed (and underrated) quintet mains as new rears; both t.v. and AVR support audio return channel.

Last night pushed to reference watching/listening to Titanic in 3D on 55" full array Vizio t.v. Yammie in what's called PureDirect mode, all DSP off. I don't think I could push much harder and stay in the room biggrin.gif it sounded like a movie theater in a good way.

Today, been listening to Enrico Moricone's haunting "The Mission," movie soundtrack today. Sounds awesome.

Again, I do have a sub, I sit between 8 and 9 feet away from t.v., mains & center - after running YPAO, it tells me they are set this way:

7's - large
rc64II - small (XO 80 hz)
quintet rears- small (XO 80hz)

I haven't done any manual tinkering, but it sure sounds pretty good as is.
post #20317 of 35399
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Originally Posted by willybguy View Post

As new RF-7ii owner (and new AVR to drive 'em) I read lots of Audyssey posts before staying w/ Yamaha & their calibration, YPAO. After hooking up new 7's & putting RC64 on tilt rod, new fresh copper wire, banana plugs at AVR end (omg why didn't i do that sooner) ran YPAO again. Settings listed below. Calibration also includes 12D sub, & re-purposed (and underrated) quintet mains as new rears; both t.v. and AVR support audio return channel.
Last night pushed to reference watching/listening to Titanic in 3D on 55" full array Vizio t.v. Yammie in what's called PureDirect mode, all DSP off. I don't think I could push much harder and stay in the room biggrin.gif it sounded like a movie theater in a good way.
Today, been listening to Enrico Moricone's haunting "The Mission," movie soundtrack today. Sounds awesome.
Again, I do have a sub, I sit between 8 and 9 feet away from t.v., mains & center - after running YPAO, it tells me they are set this way:
7's - large
rc64II - small (XO 80 hz)
quintet rears- small (XO 80hz)
I haven't done any manual tinkering, but it sure sounds pretty good as is.

Congrats on your new amazing speakers. Keep in mind that the norm isn’t always the best. What’s recommend is a good starting point but by no means the best or only way to do it. If it was they wouldn’t have any other way to set it up. Your front 3 speakers are very dynamic (especially the 7s) so you can probably go with any settings and it will still sound really good. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

Congrats on your new amazing speakers. ...Your front 3 speakers are very dynamic (especially the 7s) so you can probably go with any settings and it will still sound really good. biggrin.gif

+1, but it seems to me the RT-12d would be able to hit at least the notes lower than 60 Hz better than your RF-7s and would take some strain off of your AVR...That said, I am sure it sounds great.
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I don't think it sounds good. You better change it. wink.gif
post #20320 of 35399
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Originally Posted by willybguy View Post

As new RF-7ii owner (and new AVR to drive 'em) I read lots of Audyssey posts before staying w/ Yamaha & their calibration, YPAO. After hooking up new 7's & putting RC64 on tilt rod, new fresh copper wire, banana plugs at AVR end (omg why didn't i do that sooner) ran YPAO again. Settings listed below. Calibration also includes 12D sub, & re-purposed (and underrated) quintet mains as new rears; both t.v. and AVR support audio return channel.
Last night pushed to reference watching/listening to Titanic in 3D on 55" full array Vizio t.v. Yammie in what's called PureDirect mode, all DSP off. I don't think I could push much harder and stay in the room biggrin.gif it sounded like a movie theater in a good way.
Today, been listening to Enrico Moricone's haunting "The Mission," movie soundtrack today. Sounds awesome.
Again, I do have a sub, I sit between 8 and 9 feet away from t.v., mains & center - after running YPAO, it tells me they are set this way:
7's - large
rc64II - small (XO 80 hz)
quintet rears- small (XO 80hz)
I haven't done any manual tinkering, but it sure sounds pretty good as is.
Congrats and your going to love your 7s there fantastic speakers. I would reccomend running them small with movies if you have a good sub or subs let them do the work and I think youll be very happy.
post #20321 of 35399
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Originally Posted by willybguy View Post

As new RF-7ii owner (and new AVR to drive 'em) I read lots of Audyssey posts before staying w/ Yamaha & their calibration, YPAO. After hooking up new 7's & putting RC64 on tilt rod, new fresh copper wire, banana plugs at AVR end (omg why didn't i do that sooner) ran YPAO again. Settings listed below. Calibration also includes 12D sub, & re-purposed (and underrated) quintet mains as new rears; both t.v. and AVR support audio return channel.
Last night pushed to reference watching/listening to Titanic in 3D on 55" full array Vizio t.v. Yammie in what's called PureDirect mode, all DSP off. I don't think I could push much harder and stay in the room biggrin.gif it sounded like a movie theater in a good way.
Today, been listening to Enrico Moricone's haunting "The Mission," movie soundtrack today. Sounds awesome.
Again, I do have a sub, I sit between 8 and 9 feet away from t.v., mains & center - after running YPAO, it tells me they are set this way:
7's - large
rc64II - small (XO 80 hz)
quintet rears- small (XO 80hz)
I haven't done any manual tinkering, but it sure sounds pretty good as is.

Just so you can compare, at least try setting the 7's to small (xo to 80) and see what your sub can do with the lows....

Then (just 'cause I like to spend other people's money) buy a PB-13 ultra from SVS and shake everyone out of the room. smile.gif
post #20322 of 35399
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

+1, but it seems to me the RT-12d would be able to hit at least the notes lower than 60 Hz better than your RF-7s and would take some strain off of your AVR...That said, I am sure it sounds great.

I run the 7s small at 50 Hz atm but I use to run them large and really liked that too. Not sure if I will go back to large or keep it at 50 Hz. I also really liked them a lot at 40 Hz. for movies most of the really low stuff is going to the lfe channel already but it’s always fun to try different settings. I understand the theory of letting the subs handle the super low stuff but imo setting all the speakers to 80hz isn’t always the best way to go. I would say if you’re only using an avr for power then the small setting will save power and would probably be best starting point. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

I run the 7s small at 50 Hz atm but I use to run them large and really liked that too. Not sure if I will go back to large or keep it at 50 Hz. I also really liked them a lot at 40 Hz. for movies most of the really low stuff is going to the lfe channel already but it’s always fun to try different settings. I understand the theory of letting the subs handle the super low stuff but imo setting all the speakers to 80hz isn’t always the best way to go. . biggrin.gif
I run mine at 10 above the roll off of the speaker my CornScalas roll at 32 so I set them as 40 my CS-1.5 roll at 43 so i set at 50 . with my separate power amps I can do all this and get a full bass response from them (Gotta Love Headroom ) . I have dual SVS PC12-NSD's so I do have alotta sub in the room . but it's really nice to have all the woofs playin'in the band . When I had everything set @ 80 the soundstage was lifeless ,lacking punch frown.gif
BUT everyone's room & system is different . tongue.gif
Edited by Fastslappy - 9/17/12 at 8:12am
post #20324 of 35399
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

Awesome room and set up nice job! biggrin.gif
http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=Reference_head

Thanks man.
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Anyone use outlaw audio mono blocks with rf7ii's? I am currently running them full range by a denon dra-397 and want to change that. Outlaw has them on sale now, so i am thinking of pick up a pair. I am completely open to suggestions of good pairings with the rf7ii's anybody has had good experiences with wether that be separates, integrated amps, or receivers. I don't have a specific budget range, but am not really a super high end guy, so no $6000 amps or crazy stuff like that.
post #20326 of 35399
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Originally Posted by fast00 View Post

Anyone use outlaw audio mono blocks with rf7ii's? I am currently running them full range by a denon dra-397 and want to change that. Outlaw has them on sale now, so i am thinking of pick up a pair. I am completely open to suggestions of good pairings with the rf7ii's anybody has had good experiences with wether that be separates, integrated amps, or receivers. I don't have a specific budget range, but am not really a super high end guy, so no $6000 amps or crazy stuff like that.
Nezeff used these to run his RF83's he loved them , they are a great deal ..
Outlaw makes great Amps biggrin.gif
If these had been on sale when I got my Emo UPA-7 I would have got these
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HI ALL. whatz up slappy ! i am the proud owner of EMOTIVA xpa5; that went back for repair twice. Once for the replacement of all the rca aka unbalance inputs.....then 2nd) they sent it back with a dead channel. But they did fix it. An the second return shipping was on them....but it is fixed an freaking AAAWWWESOOMMME. !!!!!!!!. One of these days i put up a new video of itty bitty MAN CAVE...
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Originally Posted by fast00 View Post

Anyone use outlaw audio mono blocks with rf7ii's? I am currently running them full range by a denon dra-397 and want to change that. Outlaw has them on sale now, so i am thinking of pick up a pair. I am completely open to suggestions of good pairings with the rf7ii's anybody has had good experiences with wether that be separates, integrated amps, or receivers. I don't have a specific budget range, but am not really a super high end guy, so no $6000 amps or crazy stuff like that.
You might want to look into Parasound also. Im running a Halo and love it , also the 7's as you know dont need a lot of power my A52 at 125wpc is more then enough power for my HT unless you have a huge room then you might need more.But for music and movies I have power to spare and it soumds so good very clean with a very low floor noise.Im coming from a Emo xpa 2 and xpa 3 and dont feel like im down on power at all.The Emo's were great amps but Parasound is a different animal.I couldnt be happier and just thought I'd share my experience with you.
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I run my reference series with a Rotel amp and they really sound great. Having 200 watts per channel and huge reserves is a nice way to go.
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Originally Posted by RickD1225 View Post

I run my reference series with a Rotel amp and they really sound great. Having 200 watts per channel and huge reserves is a nice way to go.
Rotels have great amps but just curious why you would say huge reserves is the way to go. I must say though I use to be power hungry until realizing its not really the way to go imo especialy with Klipsch and the reference series RF7 II's.You for sure want extra power on tap for movies but depending on your setup sometimes its not the way to go.Like I mentioned in my post I was running 300wpc for my fronts and 200 for all other speakers and my 7's sound so much better then they did before with less and a different amp.I never use all the power I have now for movies and music.The amp can make a huge difference and Its not so much the power rating I guess is my point but the quality of the amp and the speakers your driving.
Edited by TheFactor - 9/21/12 at 9:09pm
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The Factor, can you describe the qualities (not in specs, but in listening experience) that make the Parasound a "different animal"?
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I decided to amp my 7iis and gave the Crown XLS1500 a try. I hooked it up and there was a noticeable hum. I had to turn the gain way down. I have no interest in troubleshooting a hum, so it is on eBay and selling for more than I paid for it. smile.gif
post #20333 of 35399
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

I decided to amp my 7iis and gave the Crown XLS1500 a try. I hooked it up and there was a noticeable hum. I had to turn the gain way down. I have no interest in troubleshooting a hum, so it is on eBay and selling for more than I paid for it. smile.gif

Before selling the Amp, did you give Crown Audio a call to find out what's what with what?

P.S. Nice to read that you're getting more on eBay then you paid for the unit.
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Thanks for all the responses! I was thinking of a parasound set up, but it was from the new classic line. I also thought of getting a peachtree nova or decco and using it as a pre and then pair it with the outlaws.I am not in a rush but i guess i should make a choice while the outlaws are on sale.
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

The Factor, can you describe the qualities (not in specs, but in listening experience) that make the Parasound a "different animal"?
Hi Tony, Well starting with a very low floor noise with my Parasound you dont hear any hum and it also seems like my front stage is spread out more . Everything sounds more defined to me and more detailed .Also the 7's have a rated sensitivity of 101dB @ 2.83V/1m and I really think more power isnt a must like other speakers with a lower sensitivity and I know with my application going to the Parasound @ 125wpc was a perfect fit . Since going to Parasound i've been the happiest i've ever been with my setup .
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Originally Posted by fast00 View Post

Thanks for all the responses! I was thinking of a parasound set up, but it was from the new classic line. I also thought of getting a peachtree nova or decco and using it as a pre and then pair it with the outlaws.I am not in a rush but i guess i should make a choice while the outlaws are on sale.
The Classic line is also a great way to go, i've never heard them but they get great reviews from there owners .
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

Hi Tony, Well starting with a very low floor noise with my Parasound you dont hear any hum and it also seems like my front stage is spread out more . Everything sounds more defined to me and more detailed .Also the 7's have a rated sensitivity of 101dB @ 2.83V/1m and I really think more power isnt a must like other speakers with a lower sensitivity and I know with my application going to the Parasound @ 125wpc was a perfect fit . Since going to Parasound i've been the happiest i've ever been with my setup .
Factor , what are the differences between your past Emo's to these new Parasound amps ? ? ?
You were quite proud of your Emo's awhile ago & I do trust your judgement .
BUT I am concerned about what differences the Parasound amps have to offer , those Classic's do seem to be nice wink.gif I really want to step up to a 250 watt per channel amps maybe next year after I finish the speaker upgrades with new horn drivers , crossover networks & going to a full 2-way 9 channel system
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

it also seems like my front stage is spread out more . Everything sounds more defined to me and more detailed .

We all know that amps dont change the sound quality at all as long as it is not an amp from Walmart smile.gif Low noise floor, that I agree.

I drive my KG5.2's using a Rotel RB-1080. I hear absolutely no difference in SQ when I drive them using the Denon 3311, except of course that they will be a bit louder with the Rotel. I use to have the Magnepan MG12's and that's why I got the Rotel amp. I just kept the Rotel amp.
post #20339 of 35399
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

We all know that amps dont change the sound quality at all as long as it is not an amp from Walmart smile.gif Low noise floor, that I agree.
I drive my KG5.2's using a Rotel RB-1080. I hear absolutely no difference when I drive them using the Denon 3311. I use to have the Magnepan MG12's and that's why I got the Rotel amp. I just kept the Rotel amp.
No we don't ALL know that ....rolleyes.gif
I beg to disagree with you on that .
Saying you know all of us would not notice a difference is really a misstatement on your part I M H O smile.gif
I really did notice a huge difference with I added my Emotiva's to my system over driving my system with a Onkyo flapship AVR like my TX-NR5008 .
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Factor , what are the differences between your past Emo's to these new Parasound amps ? ? ?
You were quite proud of your Emo's awhile ago & I do trust your judgement .
BUT I am concerned about what differences the Parasound amps have to offer , those Classic's do seem to be nice wink.gif I really want to step up to a 250 watt per channel amps maybe next year after I finish the speaker upgrades with new horn drivers , crossover networks & going to a full 2-way 9 channel system
Hi Fast smile.gif First i'd like to say I dont mean to bash Emo's thats not my intention and I apoligize if thats how it sounded . I was very happy with my EMO'S . My XPA3 was very quite were as my XPA2 was louder as far as floor noise but I really liked the amp and it was acceptable to me . I did notice also though when switching amps I dont get that thump sound I use to get when powering off or on I cant remember whitch maybe it was both . To me it was almost like going to a pre/pro and seperates again as far as the sound seeming more spread out and more detailed . Again I really think the 7's like the Parasound much better . I think bang for the buck EMO makes a great amp but to me paying the extra was well worth going to Parasound and havent looked back or felt the need to .
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