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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

We all know that amps dont change the sound quality at all as long as it is not an amp from Walmart smile.gif Low noise floor, that I agree.
I drive my KG5.2's using a Rotel RB-1080. I hear absolutely no difference in SQ when I drive them using the Denon 3311, except of course that they will be a bit louder with the Rotel. I use to have the Magnepan MG12's and that's why I got the Rotel amp. I just kept the Rotel amp.

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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

No we don't ALL know that ....rolleyes.gif
I beg to disagree with you on that .
Saying you know all of us would not notice a difference is really a misstatement on your part I M H O smile.gif
I really did notice a huge difference with I added my Emotiva's to my system over driving my system with a Onkyo flapship AVR like my TX-NR5008 .
x2 I agree 100% Fast !
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

No we don't ALL know that ....rolleyes.gif
I beg to disagree with you on that .
Saying you know all of us would not notice a difference is really a misstatement on your part I M H O smile.gif
I really did notice a huge difference with I added my Emotiva's to my system over driving my system with a Onkyo flapship AVR like my TX-NR5008 .

Often increased loudness is associated with better SQ. If you level match the amp and AVR, you mat not perceive much difference in SQ, unless you drive the AVR to the point that it starts adding more distortion. I have owned the Emotiva UPA-2 (2ch amp) and when I used it with the RB-81, I heard no difference in SQ compared to driving with an AVR (Yamaha RX-V663 which I still have). So I returned the amp. The only reason I used an amp (Rotel RB-1080) with the Magnepan MG12 is because the AVR's dont have enough power to drive speakers like Magnepan.

Whenever I see something like "the bass is deeper and tighter, I hear more details, the sound stage is wider and deeper with the new amp", I always take it with a grain of salt smile.gif

Anyway... didn't mean to start an argument. If you enjoy the amp, that's what matters smile.gif
Edited by Mupi - 9/22/12 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Anyway... didn't mean to start a argument. If you enjoy the amp, that's what matters smile.gif

And there's always the cool factor.

"Oh, wow, you have a separate Amp? That is like, so cool." tongue.gif
post #20344 of 35273
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Originally Posted by RickD1225 View Post

I run my reference series with a Rotel amp and they really sound great. Having 200 watts per channel and huge reserves is a nice way to go.
Rotels have great amps but just curious why you would say huge reserves is the way to go. I must say though I use to be power hungry until realizing its not really the way to go imo especialy with Klipsch and the reference series RF7 II's.You for sure want extra power on tap for movies but depending on your setup sometimes its not the way to go.Like I mentioned in my post I was running 300wpc for my fronts and 200 for all other speakers and my 7's sound so much better then they did before with less and a different amp.I never use all the power I have now for movies and music.The amp can make a huge difference and Its not so much the power rating I guess is my point but the quality of the amp and the speakers your driving.


The huge reserves I mean is the large transformers and capacitors that can handle any demand the media I am playing may present. I like to listen to movies loud, -5 to zero, in a large room, > 6000 cu. ft.
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

... I must say though I use to be power hungry until realizing its not really the way to go imo especialy with Klipsch and the reference series RF7 II's.You for sure want extra power on tap for movies but depending on your setup sometimes its not the way to go....

+1 It's not about watts-per-channel with the upper-end Klipsch Reference, but the ability to cover the impedance dips that the speakers have at the volume you want to listen. Fwiw, most lower-end AVRs aren't rated to drive speakers that have dips considerably below 4 Ohms but pretty much all outboard amps are...
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Often increased loudness is associated with better SQ. If you level match the amp and AVR, you mat not perceive much difference in SQ, unless you drive the AVR to the point that it starts adding more distortion. I have owned the Emotiva UPA-2 (2ch amp) and when I used it with the RB-81, I heard no difference in SQ compared to driving with an AVR (Yamaha RX-V663 which I still have). So I returned the amp. The only reason I used an amp (Rotel RB-1080) with the Magnepan MG12 is because the AVR's dont have enough power to drive speakers like Magnepan.
Whenever I see something like "the bass is deeper and tighter, I hear more details, the sound stage is wider and deeper with the new amp", I always take it with a grain of salt smile.gif
Anyway... didn't mean to start an argument. If you enjoy the amp, that's what matters smile.gif
Naw we never argue just debate wink.gifsmile.gif Theres no wright or wrong as far as its what makes you happy and thats most important . People swear they hear differences with interconnects and some dont and the same goes with amps and everything else that goes with a HT . A good debate is always healty and constructive smile.gif Happy listening everyone biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

+1 It's not about watts-per-channel with the upper-end Klipsch Reference, but the ability to cover the impedance dips that the speakers have at the volume you want to listen. Fwiw, most lower-end AVRs aren't rated to drive speakers that have dips considerably below 4 Ohms but pretty much all outboard amps are...

I agree, I have had owned Cornwalls 30 odd years and used many different tubes and SS seperates. A few years ago I went HD HT and added a RC-62 center and RS3-II rears and two Klipsch Sub 12 in a very small den......super happy with mid mid level Yamaha RX-V1900 HD AVR 130X7. . If the amps make 1/2 that with all of them driven I am lucky. And my system sounds great on Stereo or 5.2 for Blurays. Small room is a big help here.
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Often increased loudness is associated with better SQ. .... The only reason I used an amp (Rotel RB-1080) with the Magnepan MG12 is because the AVR's dont have enough power to drive speakers like Magnepan.

This is TOTALLY correct. The Magnepan are 4 Ohm rated speakers with a 86 dB Sensitivity and more-than likely have pretty good Response curve around 4 Ohms. The Klipsch mates a horn loaded tweeter with dual cone LF drivers which evidently makes for a jagged Response Curve that goes as low as slightly below 3 Ohms in several frequencies (harder to drive). To add to the confusion, Klipsch calls them "8 Ohm compatible" with a 101 dB Sensitivity rating, yet have a 250 w RMS/1,000 w peak power threshold.
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

This is TOTALLY correct. The Magnepan are 4 Ohm rated speakers with a 86 dB Sensitivity and more-than likely have pretty good Response curve around 4 Ohms. The Klipsch mates a horn loaded tweeter with dual cone LF drivers which evidently makes for a jagged Response Curve that goes as low as slightly below 3 Ohms in several frequencies (harder to drive). To add to the confusion, Klipsch calls them "8 Ohm compatible" with a 101 dB Sensitivity rating, yet have a 250 w RMS/1,000 w peak power threshold.
LOL guess Klipsch is saying here ya go the best of both worlds . Seriously though with the wright pre/pro and amps the 7's sound incredible for movies and music with my combo and room. The 7's are the first speaker I've ever had with no intentions of ever getting rid of for sound quality reasons. Now the size of these beasts would be the only reason if I ever did but not likely.
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

"" Often increased loudness is associated with better SQ. ""
Whenever I see something like "the bass is deeper and tighter, I hear more details, the sound stage is wider and deeper with the new amp", I always take it with a grain of salt smile.gif
Anyway... didn't mean to start an argument. If you enjoy the amp, that's what matters smile.gif
Not arguing with Mupi at all , It's just that the above statement didn't apply in my case , I actually listen now @ much lower sound levels with my amps than I ever did with the Onk 5008 , the detail, separation,richness now is there at the lower sound levels with the separate amps , my noise floor is black & by that I mean there is no hum,hiss , nothing at all . I can pause music or movies, flip the levels UP at 100% & i hear nothing at all . I couldn't do that with the 5008 tongue.gif

"the bass is deeper and tighter, I hear more details, the sound stage is wider and deeper with the new amp"
That's my room to a Tee ! !
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Before selling the Amp, did you give Crown Audio a call to find out what's what with what?
P.S. Nice to read that you're getting more on eBay then you paid for the unit.

No. I told myself beforehand: if it connects right up with no issues I will keep it and see if I notice much of a difference in SQ... and if it hums I will turn around and sell it.

I have read many a thread/post where people chase hums, ground loops, etc. and drive themselves crazy. I had (have) no interest in doing that.
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

No. I told myself beforehand: if it connects right up with no issues I will keep it and see if I notice much of a difference in SQ... and if it hums I will turn around and sell it.
I have read many a thread/post where people chase hums, ground loops, etc. and drive themselves crazy. I had (have) no interest in doing that.
If you had no hum before & have one now that's not a good sign 1st off the bat ,
I agree with you best not to waste any effort trying figure it out .
This is not the only time I've heard that complaint when adding this type of amp to a home system .
some guys just choose to ignore the hum , thinking that they just saved a wad of cash ...
smile.gif me I just can't ignore any hum, hiss, pops, crackles eek.gif .
I'm re-building my HTPC due to the PSU fan being too loud tongue.gif
any one need a 1200 watt PSU ?
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

No. I told myself beforehand: if it connects right up with no issues I will keep it and see if I notice much of a difference in SQ... and if it hums I will turn around and sell it.
I have read many a thread/post where people chase hums, ground loops, etc. and drive themselves crazy. I had (have) no interest in doing that.

Fair enough. FWIW, my understanding, ground loops are a building electrical condition as opposed to an equipment failure. The addition of a inexpensive cheater plug should correct the ground loop problem and if one has a ground loop problem, no matter what sound gear is hooked up, my understanding, the ground loop problem will continue to exist.

Did you try using a cheater plug on the amplifier so as to break the connection to ground? Tying the neutral and the ground together gives you ground benefit as this is how electric stoves are grounded; neutral return, the white wire.

Red/black = hot.

White = neutral return.

Green = ground.

Ground Loop.

"Low current wiring is particularly susceptible to ground loops. If two pieces of audio equipment are plugged into different power outlets, there will often be a difference in their respective ground potentials. If a signal is passed from one to the other via an audio connection with the ground wire intact, this potential difference causes a spurious current through the cables, creating an audible buzz at the AC mains base frequency (50 or 60 Hz) and the harmonics thereof (120 Hz, 240 Hz, and so on), called mains hum."

Hope the above helps.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 9/23/12 at 5:52am
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

"the bass is deeper and tighter, I hear more details, the sound stage is wider and deeper with the new amp"
That's my room to a Tee ! !

Like I said before, I will take that statement with a grain of salt smile.gif

If you used a better pre-pro or pre-amp than the 5008 and heard the difference, then I can understand. With 5008 as a pre-pro, that should not be the case, especially at low volume. When you say low volume, do you mean the same low volume you used with the 5008 (matched using a SPL meter)? All a good quality amp does is just magnify the signal. It does not add coloration to the sound in a good way or bad way. So it cant magically make the bass deeper and tighter, add more details or improve the sound stage. 5008 is a high end AVR and I expect it to have a decent amp section, at least distortion free at low volumes. Even if a separate amp is used, the pre-out output of the AVR will have high distortion at high volume levels. So the sound quality is still dictated by the AVR. The amp is neutral.

Here is an amusing story. I have the OPPO 980 DVD player and few years ago I noticed that it had an option for high resolution. I switched to the high res option in the menu, played the same CD and I was elated to hear the details, sharp highs etc. Next day I told my coworker who also has an OPPO and he told me that the option is only to play high res format and not for converting low res to high res format! If my brain wants me to hear the difference, I will hear it smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

If my brain wants me to hear the difference, I will hear it smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

No we don't ALL know that ....rolleyes.gif
I beg to disagree with you on that .
Saying you know all of us would not notice a difference is really a misstatement on your part I M H O smile.gif
I really did notice a huge difference with I added my Emotiva's to my system over driving my system with a Onkyo flapship AVR like my TX-NR5008 .
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

No we don't ALL know that ....rolleyes.gif
I beg to disagree with you on that .
Saying you know all of us would not notice a difference is really a misstatement on your part I M H O smile.gif
I really did notice a huge difference with I added my Emotiva's to my system over driving my system with a Onkyo flapship AVR like my TX-NR5008 .

+1 Going one amp to another can have a HUGE impact on sound good or bad.
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

+1 Going one amp to another can have a HUGE impact on sound good or bad.
+ 2 and also going to pre/pro made a huge difference for me. It sounded like my room got bigger and my speakers were spread out farther and the amp was like the frosting on the cake.
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what pre-pro do you have?
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Integra DHC 80.3?
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Emo amps are really sensitive to interferences. If I put my ear up to a horn and turn on the ps3 for example I hear a tiny bit of noise come out of nowhere. When I first got the amp it took some time to get rid of the static hiss. With so many people having the same issues with them my guess is its design and the parts used. I’m no electronic engineer or anything but my guess is this is probably part of why they are such a great price vs other high end amps. I’m very happy with the amp and I bought it when they were cheaper ($700 to my door). But I almost guarantee my next amp will be something else.


Maybe I will copy TheFactor again biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

what pre-pro do you have?

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Integra DHC 80.3?
Yes I had a Pioneer Elite 94 and went to a Integra DHC 40.2 and now im running a 80.3 .
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

Emo amps are really sensitive to interferences. If I put my ear up to a horn and turn on the ps3 for example I hear a tiny bit of noise come out of nowhere. When I first got the amp it took some time to get rid of the static hiss. With so many people having the same issues with them my guess is its design and the parts used. I’m no electronic engineer or anything but my guess is this is probably part of why they are such a great price vs other high end amps. I’m very happy with the amp and I bought it when they were cheaper ($700 to my door). But I almost guarantee my next amp will be something else.

Maybe I will copy TheFactor again biggrin.gif
When I had my Emo's I noticed when going to XLR balanced IC it did get less interference vs RCA. Oh BTW great minds do think a like smile.gif Seriously I think you'd be very happy with a amp from Parasound !
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Did you get yours online?
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

Did you get yours online?
No I demoed mine at my local HT toy store and scored a outstanding deal one that I cant even post. But when and if your interested let me know. Shoot me a pm and I will hook you up with my dealer. I've done much business with them and can highly recommend .
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

No I demoed mine at my local HT toy store and scored a outstanding deal one that I cant even post. But when and if your interested let me know. Shoot me a pm and I will hook you up with my dealer. I've done much business with them and can highly recommend .
If & when I up-grade the amps , I'm going the dealer demo route for sure , when you start into the mid/high range of audio gear there is so much out lay of cash that one must demo everything 1st . I M H O
I'm OK with the return of on-line gear but with 80Lbs of amp that gets expensive real Quick . . . . wink.gif
seems that the XPA line of Emotiva amps do have a noise issue be it ever slight .
The dis-continued UPA's the ( UPA-7, UPA-5 , UPA-2 ) don't have that low level noise issue & the reason they were dis-continued was that they were TOO good for what they charged, they under cut the XPA line in performance. The "New" UPA line is not nearly as good as the old ones by a long shot . If I replace my UPA-7 & UPA-2 I will have to have the new units in my house for a demo comparison. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Like I said before, I will take that statement with a grain of salt smile.gif
If you used a better pre-pro or pre-amp than the 5008 and heard the difference, then I can understand. With 5008 as a pre-pro, that should not be the case, especially at low volume. When you say low volume, do you mean the same low volume you used with the 5008 (matched using a SPL meter)? All a good quality amp does is just magnify the signal. It does not add coloration to the sound in a good way or bad way. So it cant magically make the bass deeper and tighter, add more details or improve the sound stage. 5008 is a high end AVR and I expect it to have a decent amp section, at least distortion free at low volumes. Even if a separate amp is used, the pre-out output of the AVR will have high distortion at high volume levels. So the sound quality is still dictated by the AVR. The amp is neutral.
I have had 40 years worth of audio gear & each difference amp & AVR had it's own individual sound ,some warm some bright , some neutral , some just plain flat , you saying all amps have the same sound is BS
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Here is an amusing story. I have the OPPO 980 DVD player and few years ago I noticed that it had an option for high resolution. I switched to the high res option in the menu, played the same CD and I was elated to hear the details, sharp highs etc. Next day I told my coworker who also has an OPPO and he told me that the option is only to play high res format and not for converting low res to high res format! If my brain wants me to hear the difference, I will hear it smile.gif
So by your own admission you say you are affected by placebo effect .

I have had so much different gear that i can ignore the " subtle willingness to make it seem like it's better" (placebo) thru careful comparisons without the influence of cost, brand name , to color what I am hearing . & I really don't care if you feel that I don't / can't do this . I know I can & that is all that matters to me . I have nothing to prove to anyone but myself .
post #20367 of 35273
Halp!!

Anyone have any options to add Bluetooth to the Klipsch iFi? I've tried the following eBay 30pin iPod BT adapters:







The first two wouldn't even show power via the flashing LED. The 3rd one connected, showed power and then even paired successfully. However, the audio wasn't the best and the skip forward/backward buttons and the play/pause would not control the BT device which in this case was my HTC Evo LTE. I use several other BT devices and they will control the tracks and play/pause just fine so it's the firmware of this adapter that's not allowing for full control. Another oddity is that when the Klipsch iFi is powered off the BT adapter remains powered on.

To be fair, I started at the bottom of the list based on price and have been working my way up. Ideally someone would know if a BT dongle that works for these puppies so I can use our phones for music duty in your master bathroom. We wired for this Kilpsh iFi even though I've never been a big fan of Apple/iPod and have just had iPods in there that we left in the dock for music. Well, fast forward many years later and our 2gb Nano just isn't cutting it anymore. The options are to spend money on another larger capacity iPod and be a slave to this one device or use this opportunity to get a more universal solution moving forward. I would rather not pay money for yet another Apple product even if it is used because it make no sense. If I can't find an adapter I will likely try to source an entirely different unit that isn't made specifically for iPods.

Anyone have any ideas here?

Thanks for the help!
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I am looking to purchase a new receiver and new speakers for the HT I am building in my basement. A friend of mine recommended Klipsch, I went to a place here in Windsor and listened to a 5.1 setup they had going that consisted of an RC-52 II center, RB-51 II fronts, a SW-110 sub, and a pair of RS-41 II's for the rears, all driven by an Onkyo TX-NR616. It sounded pretty good, but it was hard to get a good perspective being that the speakers were not quite in the proper positions, and it was also in a bigger room that had all kinds of other equipment in it. Also when I get them home in a different environment they will sound completely different anyways.
I read that people were having a lot of problems with HMDI on that model Onkyo, so I might select a better model receiver, maybe the 818? What is this "Klipsch Sound" that people talk about? I dont want to buy that same setup they had going and be disappointed by tinny sound.
Any recommendations for substituting speakers? I might buy a different sub, but reading through all the sub posts makes my head swim. I do plan on making my HT 7.2 so another sub and maybe a pair of RS-42 II's for the backs?

I dont particularly like or want floor standing speakers, but I dont want fronts that sound like an old clock radio speaker. Do I get a better center channel and stick with the RB-51's? Stick with the RC-52 center and upgrade the other 2 fronts to something like the RB-61's?

My friend also mentioned Speakercraft, Ive never heard of them, and theres nowhere to demo them here.

I realize you cant really "tell" me if I will like them or not, but do they have a distinct sound? I am no audiophile by any means, back in the old days I used to just set my old EQ to the classic "V" shape and be done with it. Im not a big fan of the Midrange sound.

Any opinions about the Klipsch speakers would be greatly appreciated.
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The guys here have great success with the Yamaha AVR's with their Klipsch . If towers are not your taste then look at the RB81's & a RC-62 .some what higher in price but will give you a solid front three . what size room do you have ??
Welcome to AVS BTW .... smile.gif
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I always had a peaked interest in Klipsch brand but really don't know too much about the different series, how far apart are the RF series from the WF series, sorry if that sounds un educated but in fact I know nothing about this brand, Thanks sawz.
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