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post #20761 of 35398
UPGRADING CENTER & SURROUNDS?

Long time Klipsch owner - have had my Klipschorns for my Main FL/FR speakers for 18 years. At the same time, I bought a Klipsch center and some Polk surrounds. Now I'm thinking of upgrading the center and maybe the surrounds.

My current center is this:

http://www.klipsch.com/kv-4#fifth

I'm assuming the current RC-62 II would be the modern day equivalent...OR, would it be a significant upgrade to the KV-4? How about the RC-64 II?

My current surrounds (4) are these:

http://www.polkaudio.com/products/lsfx

These were around $500 each in 1994, and sound great still. I'm just wondering if any of the Klipsch surrounds (at or around the same price point) would be a significant upgrade. Maybe the RS-62 II? It would be nice to have Klipsch all the way around, but if I can't get a significant upgrade without breaking the bank, I'll just keep the Polks.

For reference, I'm driving everything with a Denon 2113ci (Audyssey XT) along with a Velodyne F1800 subwoofer.

Thanks for any help!
post #20762 of 35398
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

UPGRADING CENTER & SURROUNDS?
Long time Klipsch owner - have had my Klipschorns for my Main FL/FR speakers for 18 years. At the same time, I bought a Klipsch center and some Polk surrounds. Now I'm thinking of upgrading the center and maybe the surrounds.
My current center is this:
http://www.klipsch.com/kv-4#fifth
I'm assuming the current RC-62 II would be the modern day equivalent...OR, would it be a significant upgrade to the KV-4? How about the RC-64 II?
My current surrounds (4) are these:
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/lsfx
These were around $500 each in 1994, and sound great still. I'm just wondering if any of the Klipsch surrounds (at or around the same price point) would be a significant upgrade. Maybe the RS-62 II? It would be nice to have Klipsch all the way around, but if I can't get a significant upgrade without breaking the bank, I'll just keep the Polks.
For reference, I'm driving everything with a Denon 2113ci (Audyssey XT) along with a Velodyne F1800 subwoofer.
Thanks for any help!
that KV-4 is a WAY better speaker than the RC-62 II & the RC-64 II by a long shot . I M H O If I was replacing that center I'd up-grade to a Cornwall Or a Belle or a La Scala , a Hersey is not gonna keep up the Korn's at all either but the other three will .
The Reference line will NOT be matched to your K-Horns at all
as for surrounds then a set of Heresies will do great as long as you get them off the floor
all the above speakers can be found on the used market @ a huge discount over buying new Heritage speakers
tell you the truth , you would better off asking this question here . . . . . .

http://community.klipsch.com/forums/6.aspx


the Klipsch community forum as the members are real friendly to K-Horn owners & they also have a garage area where you can ask for used speakers to buy , these guys are compulsive collectors of Klipsch heritage speakers with some members have many speakers to sell .

Hope this helps

Mike
post #20763 of 35398
Hi Alan P,

I have to agree with Fastslappy. Stay with a Klipsch Heritage center speaker. If you have room, the best center is the La Scala, then maybe a vertical Cornwall laid out horizontally, then a Heresy III, then a Heresy I or II. I tried a Heresy II and althought the timbre was okay, it's not as dynamic as KHorns and made it presence known.

post #20764 of 35398
Thanks for the input guys....using a single Cornwall, Belle or La Scala as a center makes the most sense with the K-Horns...but, where would I put it?? I've got a 73" DLP TV and there's only about 20" above or below it to work with....suggestions?? And don't say "smaller TV". tongue.gif My current center is mounted above the TV on a shelf because of the TV stand below. However, I'm not against buliding something else to set the TV on to make room for a different center, the components could go in a rack on the side or something.

Heresys are a great suggestion for surrounds - just a quick look on ebay and a pair can be had brand new for what I'd pay for the Heritage surrounds - thanks! Now, how can I mount those on my wall at a 45 degree angle AND not let the wife notice 'em?cool.gif Due to my room, the surrounds have to be mounted directly to the sides of my MLP...would that be a problem with the direct radiating Heresys? I'm used to the diffuse soundfield of the Polk dipoles so this kinda worries me...

Waiting on my confirmation email to join the Klipsch forum and will definitely post my questions there too, thanks again.
post #20765 of 35398
Advice needed:

Hello!

I purchased a Klipsch Reference RW-12d to go with my Klipsch Gallery system (front three are the G28, back two are G16s, sub is sw 311)

I purchased it 11/9, but due to other commitments, did not take out of the box until 12/22 to set up. I was able to get it to hook up to my Denon 3312 AVR and it ran through the auto setup. When I went to watch a movie that evening it would not power on. I have replaced the fuse twice (correct fuse from radio shack), each time as soon as power switch is flipped on, there is a "poof" sound and the fuse blows (it is on a surge protector).. Due to the holidays, Klipsch support not available and emails sent to them are unanswered.

I am out of the return window and not able to get a hold of anyone at Klipsch, even today (12/26).

Any ideas? Should I just chalk it up to bad unit and have my credit card warranty issue me a refund? I don't want to pay for shipping that huge thing back and forth, as it was basically brand new.

Thanks!
post #20766 of 35398
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

Thanks for the input guys....using a single Cornwall, Belle or La Scala as a center makes the most sense with the K-Horns...but, where would I put it?? I've got a 73" DLP TV and there's only about 20" above or below it to work with....suggestions?? And don't say "smaller TV". tongue.gif My current center is mounted above the TV on a shelf because of the TV stand below. However, I'm not against buliding something else to set the TV on to make room for a different center, the components could go in a rack on the side or something.
Heresys are a great suggestion for surrounds - just a quick look on ebay and a pair can be had brand new for what I'd pay for the Heritage surrounds - thanks! Now, how can I mount those on my wall at a 45 degree angle AND not let the wife notice 'em?cool.gif Due to my room, the surrounds have to be mounted directly to the sides of my MLP...would that be a problem with the direct radiating Heresys? I'm used to the diffuse soundfield of the Polk dipoles so this kinda worries me...
Waiting on my confirmation email to join the Klipsch forum and will definitely post my questions there too, thanks again.

Tough for center placement... Raise the TV a bit and a Heresy would fit underneath, or a split La Scala (bass bin underneath and HF drivers over the TV).

As for side surrounds, the Heresy works if you don't mind their depth and don't mind screwing into their backs:



See http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/73477/724554.aspx.

I was thinking of using the Cinema Pro series (e.g. KPT-1201) as rear surrounds but didn't because of the embedded X-Curve high-frequency rolloff EQ.
post #20767 of 35398
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Originally Posted by sksahai View Post

Advice needed:
Hello!
I purchased a Klipsch Reference RW-12d to go with my Klipsch Gallery system (front three are the G28, back two are G16s, sub is sw 311)
I purchased it 11/9, but due to other commitments, did not take out of the box until 12/22 to set up. I was able to get it to hook up to my Denon 3312 AVR and it ran through the auto setup. When I went to watch a movie that evening it would not power on. I have replaced the fuse twice (correct fuse from radio shack), each time as soon as power switch is flipped on, there is a "poof" sound and the fuse blows (it is on a surge protector).. Due to the holidays, Klipsch support not available and emails sent to them are unanswered.
I am out of the return window and not able to get a hold of anyone at Klipsch, even today (12/26).
Any ideas? Should I just chalk it up to bad unit and have my credit card warranty issue me a refund? I don't want to pay for shipping that huge thing back and forth, as it was basically brand new.
Thanks!

authorized dealer?
1 year parts and labor.

FWIW... why would you add a RW12 to a SW311?
post #20768 of 35398
Alan, I tried one of my Heresy as a center for kicks one day, it is painfully lacking when between two LaScala or Khorns. I, personally, don't consider it an option. Run a phantom center before going as small as that.
post #20769 of 35398
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Originally Posted by e84cooper View Post

I had the rb 61 II in the front! When i picked up the rb 81 II i moved the 61IIs to the rears. I love my system very dynamic in the space, i dont have the room for towers now that im married lol! biggrin.gif
I have watched serveral movies and sporting events on my system and i love the sound
Do you experience stronger mid bass punch with the RB81?
post #20770 of 35398
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

authorized dealer?
1 year parts and labor.
FWIW... why would you add a RW12 to a SW311?


I am trying to get a hold of klipsch, no answers for the holiday weekend.
Newegg was the seller, they have been telling me to contact klipsch directly and no longer involved, and klipsch ain't answering emails or phone calls!

As for Sw311+RW12d, my room is 15 x 22, and the SW311 just was not filling the room, despite going through the Denon AVR Audessy setup. I am not sure if I setup the 311 correctly or not. I assumed that that the Denon 3312 would adjust the output settings automatically.

If the RW12d work ends up working, I might move the SW311 to another room.
post #20771 of 35398
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Tough for center placement... Raise the TV a bit and a Heresy would fit underneath, or a split La Scala (bass bin underneath and HF drivers over the TV).
As for side surrounds, the Heresy works if you don't mind their depth and don't mind screwing into their backs:

See http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/73477/724554.aspx.
I was thinking of using the Cinema Pro series (e.g. KPT-1201) as rear surrounds but didn't because of the embedded X-Curve high-frequency rolloff EQ.

I love how you have that recessed into the wall! Too bad I don't have that option....

Thanks for the link, though. Lots of good options for hanging the Heresy surrounds.

Now, a SPLIT La Scala center channel....THAT'S a good idea right there! Anyone know the dimensions of the split cabinets?? What if I could get a hold of just the top cab of a La Scala or K-Horn...how would that sound??
post #20772 of 35398
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Alan, I tried one of my Heresy as a center for kicks one day, it is painfully lacking when between two LaScala or Khorns. I, personally, don't consider it an option. Run a phantom center before going as small as that.

I agree on the Heresy not being the best tool for the center channel job...do you think a phantom center would sound better than my current KV-4?? I've never actually tried a phantom center, ever. I'll give it a shot tonight. Even if it sounds great, I don't think it's a realistic option as my secondary seating positions are quite a bit off-axis.
post #20773 of 35398
On a different "note" -

I've never been very impressed with the bass response from my K-Horns...I never really noticed how much bass they lacked until my subs stopped working. eek.gif

From reading around the inter-web, I seem to have the perfect room for the K-Horns. The speakers are situated in the corners of my living room (20'x15'), along the longest wall (20'). Room is carpeted, and the walls are covered in knotty pine - 6" wide boards over sheet rock, running horizontally with a small seam between each board. Could this wall surface have an effect on bass response? I wouldn't think so, the walls are very solid.

I'm about to try the pipe insulation trick because they aren't super tight in the corners, I think my walls/floor aren't exactly square - I've got the insulation, just need to clean out the dust bunnies from behind the K-Horns first. rolleyes.gif

I'm wondering if there could be something wrong with my crossovers...? Is there a way to test them?
post #20774 of 35398
I don't think the top section alone would work, mainly due to typical crossover points to your sub not working out. You could find any pair of LaScala and cut it. Or, laying a LS on its side? I know the designed dispertion of the horns is not optimum on its side, but it might be the best of the options?

If it were me, I'd get one and try it on its side (which will require your TV be raised a few inches). If it's not working out, then I'd cut it! Of course, find a beater pair on craigslist for $500 or so...

I'll be curious what you think of phantom mode. Like you said, it will likely be an improvement right in the sweet spot, but more challenging for the room as a whole.
post #20775 of 35398
I bet your ears are just acoustomed to the subs.
post #20776 of 35398
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

You are using only 1/100 of a single Watt, so more power isn't going to do anything for you. Do you have a projector and screen? That could be fun and doesn't annoy condo neighbors!

no projector right now maybe after we buy a house! just a LC52LE640U
post #20777 of 35398
I'd cut a La Scala as well, place the bass bin top and make a simple baffle for the top section to place over the TV.

As for KHorns lacking bass? Mine don't. They beat most subs above 30 Hz.
post #20778 of 35398
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Originally Posted by sksahai View Post

I am trying to get a hold of klipsch, no answers for the holiday weekend.
Newegg was the seller, they have been telling me to contact klipsch directly and no longer involved, and klipsch ain't answering emails or phone calls!
As for Sw311+RW12d, my room is 15 x 22, and the SW311 just was not filling the room, despite going through the Denon AVR Audessy setup. I am not sure if I setup the 311 correctly or not. I assumed that that the Denon 3312 would adjust the output settings automatically.
If the RW12d work ends up working, I might move the SW311 to another room.

I doubt the rw is going to do much better... sell both and get a SW115. I have a 20x25 room and it's wonderful, extremely strong output.
post #20779 of 35398
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Originally Posted by vovan80 View Post

Does anyone have or listened to Klipsch WF-35 Icon-W Series? Are they any good?

Haven't listened to them myself but was on the fence about them until I found a nice set of older Reference speakers on CL. While looking, i did come across this and hopefully it'll help you with your decision: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/147454.aspx?PageIndex=1
post #20780 of 35398
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Originally Posted by sksahai View Post

I am trying to get a hold of klipsch, no answers for the holiday weekend.
Newegg was the seller, they have been telling me to contact klipsch directly and no longer involved, and klipsch ain't answering emails or phone calls!
As for Sw311+RW12d, my room is 15 x 22, and the SW311 just was not filling the room, despite going through the Denon AVR Audessy setup. I am not sure if I setup the 311 correctly or not. I assumed that that the Denon 3312 would adjust the output settings automatically.
If the RW12d work ends up working, I might move the SW311 to another room.

Just wait until Klipsch support responds. It took a few days for me as well to get a response when the controller went out on mine. Warranty should be 5 years on the sub and 2 years on electronics for it so you'll be fine. If they tell you to open it up, be careful as the wires are pretty tight when it's put together. What settings do you have on the sub right now?

As for the lack of bass in the room, is it in general or just in the listening position? What settings do you have on the sub and AVR?
post #20781 of 35398
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Originally Posted by wizard8873 View Post

Haven't listened to them myself but was on the fence about them until I found a nice set of older Reference speakers on CL. While looking, i did come across this and hopefully it'll help you with your decision: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/147454.aspx?PageIndex=1
That review proves what many have said and known. The WF series is very good for MUSIC!! The Reference imo is better for a HT setup though.
post #20782 of 35398
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Originally Posted by Ruben Z View Post

That review proves what many have said and known. The WF series is very good for MUSIC!! The Reference imo is better for a HT setup though.

At the newegg clearance price of 279, they're also a ridiculous bargain.
post #20783 of 35398
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Originally Posted by psycholis View Post

At the newegg clearance price of 279, they're also a ridiculous bargain.
I got my RF-82's II close to that price smile.gif brand new. Just gotta know where to look.
post #20784 of 35398
THINKING OF SWITCHING FROM PARADIGM TO KLIPSCH:

Hey guys,

Long story short is that I am selling off the current speakers in my dedicated home theater room (Paradigm Signature S8's and C5) due to money woes and need to find the right replacement speakers. The room is 14ft W x 20ft L and is a MOVIE ONLY theater room. No music. I have two rows of seats (3 seats per row). Anthem MRX700 is providing the power (90w per channel with 5 channels driven), and I normally listen at 70dB (meaning peaks of 100dB). My subwoofer is a Paradigm Sub 25 (hooked to dedicated 240v) and my surround speakers are (2) Paradigm Surround 3's (bipole design).

Before I had the Signature speakers, I was using Paradigm Monitor 11's and a Center 3 in this room with no complaints (along with the Sub 25 and Surround 3's). However, I have been debating whether to return to my former setup of the Monitor 11's and Center 3, or whether to explore speakers more suited for proper movie viewing. Enter Klipsch. I am looking at the RF-82 II's, RC-64 II (center), and RS-52 II's (surrounds). I WILL be keeping the Sub 25.

My first and foremost question: For pure movie viewing, will Klipsch outperform my original Paradigm setup of Monitor 11's and Center 3? Has anyone here switched from Paradigm to Klipsch? What type of sound quality difference will I notice? I have always heard (whether turhfully or not) that Klipsch speakers are brighter and harsher sounding because of the use of compression drivers.....any thoughts? Input?

Thanks!
post #20785 of 35398
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Originally Posted by Ruben Z View Post

I got my RF-82's II close to that price smile.gif brand new. Just gotta know where to look.
OK where do you look ?
post #20786 of 35398
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

OK where do you look ?

If you go to amazon and search for the speakers you want for example HERE you will see below description where it says SO and SO NEW and SO and SO USED. If you CLICK the USED link, sometimes dealers will sell OPEN BOXED for cheap. For example, right now, IQ home Entertainment has them for 399. I got mine for like 340 and they were labeled as NEW in OPEN BOX. when I received them, they were obviously new and the box wasn't open. Everything was factory sealed. The USED items change daily, so you just need to look daily.
post #20787 of 35398
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

THINKING OF SWITCHING FROM PARADIGM TO KLIPSCH:
Hey guys,
Long story short is that I am selling off the current speakers in my dedicated home theater room (Paradigm Signature S8's and C5) due to money woes and need to find the right replacement speakers. The room is 14ft W x 20ft L and is a MOVIE ONLY theater room. No music. I have two rows of seats (3 seats per row). Anthem MRX700 is providing the power (90w per channel with 5 channels driven), and I normally listen at 70dB (meaning peaks of 100dB). My subwoofer is a Paradigm Sub 25 (hooked to dedicated 240v) and my surround speakers are (2) Paradigm Surround 3's (bipole design).
Before I had the Signature speakers, I was using Paradigm Monitor 11's and a Center 3 in this room with no complaints (along with the Sub 25 and Surround 3's). However, I have been debating whether to return to my former setup of the Monitor 11's and Center 3, or whether to explore speakers more suited for proper movie viewing. Enter Klipsch. I am looking at the RF-82 II's, RC-64 II (center), and RS-52 II's (surrounds). I WILL be keeping the Sub 25.
My first and foremost question: For pure movie viewing, will Klipsch outperform my original Paradigm setup of Monitor 11's and Center 3? Has anyone here switched from Paradigm to Klipsch? What type of sound quality difference will I notice? I have always heard (whether turhfully or not) that Klipsch speakers are brighter and harsher sounding because of the use of compression drivers.....any thoughts? Input?
Thanks!

I am doing the reverse of you. Had just about all the Klipsch RF line of speakers and i am now trying out the Paradigm line of speakers. Tried out the Studio line and now trying out the Sig v3 line. I love my Sig2 v3's. Once i find some used Sig8's in my local area i am going to buy them if it's a good eal.
post #20788 of 35398
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

I am doing the reverse of you. Had just about all the Klipsch RF line of speakers and i am now trying out the Paradigm line of speakers. Tried out the Studio line and now trying out the Sig v3 line. I love my Sig2 v3's. Once i find some used Sig8's in my local area i am going to buy them if it's a good eal.

Any complaints with Klipsch that made you jump ship?

Also, I have my Sig 8's (v3) up for sale if you are looking for a good deal. PM me.
post #20789 of 35398
Well, I picked up a used Crown XLS1500 off eBay today. I am going to use my XLS1000 I think for sub and center or just a big sub (thinking of one of lilmike's horns). I'll report back here once I get a good listen.
post #20790 of 35398
Took a giant leap of faith and jumped all over those "Like New" prices on Amazon.

Got (2) RF-82 II's for $799 shipped (Like New, open box), an RC-64 II for $970 shipped (Like New, open box), and (2) RS-52 II's for $595 shipped (Like New, open box). Keeping my Paradigm Sub 25 (duh, like that was even an option).

My father has the old Reference line of Klipsch in his family room, uncalibrated, running off an ancient Denon AVR. I have always enjoyed watching movies in this room (though my theater room is a whole different ball game for many reasons). I figure with a properly treated room, ARC correction software, proper placement.....I will enjoy the Klipsch's in my theater room if I can enjoy them in such a simple setup as his family room. The biggest excitement I have is finally having High Sensitivity speakers capable of keeping up with my movie listening demand.

Will post results once I have it setup, calibrated, and demoed some familiar scenes.

SO EXCITING!
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