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post #20851 of 35269
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

I don't know if this will make a big difference in your situation, but the RF-7 has 10" woofers. The RF-82 has 8" woofers, like your speakers.

Doh! Don't know how I missed that. Thanks for the correction. :-)

I guess going for the RF-82s would be more exchanging like for like. Still, though, I wonder if there would be much, if any, improvement. Anyone have any thoughts on RF-35 vs. RF-82? Any point to such an upgrade? I'm not hurting for bass, so unless there's some other compelling reason, I don't see much point to going to the RF-7 II if the only difference is the larger drivers.
post #20852 of 35269
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Originally Posted by wizard8873 View Post

While I know that rooms change sound drastically, it's hard for me to imagine it changing that much. I took my old Klipsch Promedia 5.1 Ultra and gave it to my dad which is in a room much larger than before and still sounds great. Have you ran Audyssey in the new home? Do you have a layout of the old and new listening area?
If you do plan to upgrade, take a listen for yourself. The RF-7 II would be a great upgrade from the RF-35's but unless you want to spend money, try all you can with what you have currently before spending money. It's always worth it to try out the amp as Emotiva does have a 30 day money back guarantee. I have the RC-35 in a very large room that opens up to the kitchen, albeit behind the speaker, and to the hallway and have not had a problem with hearing the dialog. I do have an RC-62 II that I can swap and let you know if there is any different in sound, although YMMV. Have you tried swapping the RC-35 with either the RF or RB speakers to see if it may be something with the speaker itself?
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

I'll second that: have you re-run Audyssey? Have you tried playing with the "Dialogue Level" (center channel level) on the AVR? If you have re-run Audyssey, have you confirmed the levels it set are correct with a DB meter? Have you confirmed that Audyssey set your distances correctly?

Yes, of course, I ran Audyssey first thing upon moving in, LOL (and again when I upgraded the sub). I did bump up the center channel a notch or two, and the distances are correct. I didn't cross-check with a db meter although I suppose I could.

Return shipping that beast would make it not worthwhile just as an experiment, so I'm loathe to check out the amp unless there's a good chance I'll be keeping it... it's not an insignificant purchase, so I'll have to show results to sell the wife on it.

Here's the current layout (roughly) (viewing distance approx 9'):



Here's an old photo showing layout from the condo: (viewing distance was about 14')

post #20853 of 35269
can anyone point me to pioneer thread for vsx-60 elite receivers on here have new klipsch setup in my new house with dual sw-115's and Rf-7s and rc-62 with in ceiling rear r-3800's. Problem I am runnining into is dual subs not showing up when running two subs in the auto mcacc setup, been talking to derrickj at the klipsch forums hes been a very good help. Both subs play great even when playing blu rays, just noticed I am getting more output from the left sub than the right sub have the gains setup exactly the same, with 7.2 receiver have two dedicated sub outputs.
post #20854 of 35269
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

Doh! Don't know how I missed that. Thanks for the correction. :-)
I guess going for the RF-82s would be more exchanging like for like. Still, though, I wonder if there would be much, if any, improvement. Anyone have any thoughts on RF-35 vs. RF-82? Any point to such an upgrade? I'm not hurting for bass, so unless there's some other compelling reason, I don't see much point to going to the RF-7 II if the only difference is the larger drivers.
I bought my RF-7 II system (5.1) last month and also have RF-62 II (stereo) before that. I also hook them up to Denon 3312 smile.gif

Besides the larger drivers, RF-7 II have a 1.75" LTS tweeter. RC-64 II is matched to RF-7 II with the same twitter and four 6.5" drivers. Both have furniture grade wood veneer and are proudly made in USA. The lower reference models all have 1" tweeter instead.

RF-7 II is at a whole different level than RF-62 II. The horn is very smooth and non-fatiguing at all. On the other hand, RF-62 II is brighter and it can be fatiguing to my ears after long hours of music. Both are great for movies. With RF-7 II, since it has good low extension, I just set it up as large and only send LFE to the sub.

Since I do listen to music often (about 60% music/30% movie/10% game), it's worthwhile for me to upgrade to RF-7 II. I believe RF-82 II is similar to RF-62 II but with lower extension. So changing from RF-35 to RF-82 II wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

You may want to check out Fry's Electronics in Burbank for an audition. They should have RF-7 II and RF-82 II (and RF-62 II, RC-62/52 II, RS-42/52/62 II) in their demo room.
post #20855 of 35269
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Originally Posted by eaux View Post

Besides the larger drivers, RF-7 II have a 1.75" LTS tweeter. RC-64 II is matched to RF-7 II with the same twitter and four 6.5" drivers. Both have furniture grade wood veneer and are proudly made in USA. The lower reference models all have 1" tweeter instead.
RF-7 II is at a whole different level than RF-62 II. The horn is very smooth and non-fatiguing at all. .

+1 except I would change out a tweeter for the one twitter above. smile.gif
post #20856 of 35269
I currently have a 7.1 Klipsch setup consisting of:

RF-82 Fronts
RC-62 Center
RS-52 - Surround and Surround Backs
RSW-10D Subwoofer
(All 1st Gen)

I recently moved into a new house and have moved the system into a dedicated home theater in the basement. I just purchased a Denon AVR-4520CI and I am wanting to add front wides to my setup now, and eventually front heights as well. My first thought was to just augment my current setup with a single pair of RB-81's for front wides. However, after much research and spending a lot of time trying to actually find a pair of first gen RB-81's and failing, I think I've come up with a different plan. I am starting to think it might be advantageous to replace both of my fronts as well as my center with RB-81 II's and put them behind an acoustically transparent screen. I would also add a second sub. I'm thinking that since I will no longer be listening to music on the system at all, the front towers are overkill and are only causing me room layout issues with their rear ports. I also think that having matching speakers on all 5 front channels would be a good move. Do you guys think this would be a good idea?
post #20857 of 35269
Hi,
I just bought a KC-25 center channel to go with my KF-28 (which I absolutely love), running on an Onkyo TX-NR809 and BD-SP809. I ran the Audyssey setup and the sound is amazing.

I tried the "Quantum of Solace Blu-ray" (DTS Master Audio) and the opening car chase scene is window rattling (-3.0 dB), however when the diaglog starts Danile Craig's voice comes through very tinny and sharp. As the movie progresses, it seems to settle down, but there are still dialog parts that every now and again sound very tinny and sharp. This sharpness becomes uncomfortable after a while.

I tried a few other movies and i dont really get the sharpness, of "Quantum of Solace", but they become uncomfortable after a while with a lot of dialog. .

Is there anything that I need to change in this setup, to reduce this extreme sharpness as it ruins the effect of the KF-28s

Thanks
post #20858 of 35269
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Originally Posted by eaux View Post

I bought my RF-7 II system (5.1) last month and also have RF-62 II (stereo) before that. I also hook them up to Denon 3312 smile.gif
Besides the larger drivers, RF-7 II have a 1.75" LTS tweeter. RC-64 II is matched to RF-7 II with the same twitter and four 6.5" drivers. Both have furniture grade wood veneer and are proudly made in USA. The lower reference models all have 1" tweeter instead.
RF-7 II is at a whole different level than RF-62 II. The horn is very smooth and non-fatiguing at all. On the other hand, RF-62 II is brighter and it can be fatiguing to my ears after long hours of music. Both are great for movies. With RF-7 II, since it has good low extension, I just set it up as large and only send LFE to the sub.
Since I do listen to music often (about 60% music/30% movie/10% game), it's worthwhile for me to upgrade to RF-7 II. I believe RF-82 II is similar to RF-62 II but with lower extension. So changing from RF-35 to RF-82 II wouldn't be much of an upgrade.
You may want to check out Fry's Electronics in Burbank for an audition. They should have RF-7 II and RF-82 II (and RF-62 II, RC-62/52 II, RS-42/52/62 II) in their demo room.

Thanks! I didn't realize Fry's carried the Klipsch Reference line ... Been a while since I bothered with their demo rooms. Best Buy used to, but dropped the Reference and only carry the lower end lines. I'll swing by and check it out next time I'm over that way. smile.gif
post #20859 of 35269
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Originally Posted by drewconner View Post

I currently have a 7.1 Klipsch setup consisting of:
RF-82 Fronts
RC-62 Center
RS-52 - Surround and Surround Backs
RSW-10D Subwoofer
(All 1st Gen)
...I am starting to think it might be advantageous to replace both of my fronts as well as my center with RB-81 II's and put them behind an acoustically transparent screen. I would also add a second sub. I'm thinking that since I will no longer be listening to music on the system at all, the front towers are overkill and are only causing me room layout issues with their rear ports. I also think that having matching speakers on all 5 front channels would be a good move. Do you guys think this would be a good idea?

It wouldn't be a bad move and adding a second sub would be advantageous, but I still think your original set up using towers up front and possibly adding wides would be the way to go--I also don't think there is going to be much difference between the first and second generation of RB-81s...What you could do is find a pair of RB-81s and try them as mains with your RC-62 and see what you think and then you could decide which you like better.
post #20860 of 35269
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Originally Posted by rvrichardson View Post

...I tried the "Quantum of Solace Blu-ray" (DTS Master Audio) and the opening car chase scene is window rattling (-3.0 dB), however when the diaglog starts Danile Craig's voice comes through very tinny and sharp. As the movie progresses, it seems to settle down, but there are still dialog parts that every now and again sound very tinny and sharp...

-3 is pretty darn loud and there are limits to what a speaker can reproduce but I would be curious if when you turn off the EQ program if it helps or hurts the situation...Also make sure your center speaker is tilted toward the ears of the main LP and that there aren't any close first reflection points (ceiling, floor, or shelving) that needs to be addressed. Fwiw, I don't own those speakers but that's my 2 cents.
post #20861 of 35269
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

It wouldn't be a bad move and adding a second sub would be advantageous, but I still think your original set up using towers up front and possibly adding wides would be the way to go--I also don't think there is going to be much difference between the first and second generation of RB-81s...What you could do is find a pair of RB-81s and try them as mains with your RC-62 and see what you think and then you could decide which you like better.

Thanks for the input. I will definitely try out the RB-81 II's as my fronts and see how it sounds. My home theater room right now consists of just an open room with a screen on the wall, so placing the towers in an appropriate position is not a problem. However, I've begun planning a remodel to the theater and will be installing a full stage, with an acoustically transparent screen attached to a proscenium which I will be placing the speakers behind. Perhaps this is the wrong thread for this question, but would RB-81's be preferred to the RF-82's knowing that they will be placed with their backs up against a sound absorbing wall? The reason I am asking is during construction, I will need to know what type of speaker I plan to put into each position.

As for the center, I just assumed that once speaker height is no longer an issue, the RB-81 would be the better center to match either of the front speaker options.
post #20862 of 35269
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Originally Posted by rvrichardson View Post

Hi,
I just bought a KC-25 center channel to go with my KF-28 (which I absolutely love), running on an Onkyo TX-NR809 and BD-SP809. I ran the Audyssey setup and the sound is amazing.
I tried the "Quantum of Solace Blu-ray" (DTS Master Audio) and the opening car chase scene is window rattling (-3.0 dB), however when the diaglog starts Danile Craig's voice comes through very tinny and sharp. As the movie progresses, it seems to settle down, but there are still dialog parts that every now and again sound very tinny and sharp. This sharpness becomes uncomfortable after a while.
I tried a few other movies and i dont really get the sharpness, of "Quantum of Solace", but they become uncomfortable after a while with a lot of dialog. .
Is there anything that I need to change in this setup, to reduce this extreme sharpness as it ruins the effect of the KF-28s
Thanks

Have you tried "Cinema EQ" in your surround parameters? Might help tone down the highs a bit.
post #20863 of 35269
Hello all,

I am currently running an all Klipsh setup with an Energy 10" sub. RF 42II for front, RB 41II for rear and a RC 52 for the center. I am looking to upgrade the fronts as they don't deliver the impact I'm looking for, for music. They are fine for home theater. I was looking at RF 52II, but will probably go with RF 62II or the older RF 62. Any thoughts between the 2 RF lines. I'm running everything off an Onkyo 609 and a Pioneer Bluray player for sacd and high resolution flac files.

Thank You
post #20864 of 35269
Slight update:

I received the RF-82 II's from FedEx today. As stated, they were purchased as "Open Box, Like New" condition from an authorized Amazon seller. Upon unpacking, they were as described. Completely New condition. Could barely tell the boxes were ever originally opened.

Still waiting on the RC-64 II and RS-52 II's. FedEx says they should be here tomorrow. Won't have everything setup and ARC run until late this weekend, so need a few more days for a thorough impression/comparison post smile.gif
post #20865 of 35269
R2502 in walls for fronts and center? Go ahead good bad I will listen to all. Thanks in advance.
post #20866 of 35269
My local Fry's had the Reference IIs on sale for 20% off MSRP, so I couldn't resist the temptation. I bought two RF-82 II and the RC-62 II center channel (will get the RS-52 II later).

Here are my initial impressions, in comparison to my Mirage OMD speakers:

Pro: SOUND QUALITY
I didn't even get a chance to re-run YPAO on my Yamaha A3010 yet, but I'm already impressed. I'm loving the horn-loaded tweeters. I listened to some scenes from my favorite movies, and I heard details that I've never heard before (the crackle of a drawn cigarette, for example). The dialogue was also a vast improvement (this was my biggest complaint with the OMDs).

Con: MATERIALS/BUILD QUALITY
These certainly aren't furniture-grade cabinets like the OMDs. The "wood grain" vinyl isn't very convincing and has several imperfections (bumps/bubbles). I was also disappointed with the plastic on the binding posts.

Overall, I'm happy with them so far. I look forward to calibrating them this weekend.
post #20867 of 35269
A friend of mine gave me an older yamaha dsp-a1 receiver yesterday. I hooked it up to my rf-7iis' for the heck of it. wow. i run them full range with a pioneer sc-67 normally. The first thing i noticed about the yamaha was the sheer difference in how loud the speakers were even at very low volume knob settings compared to my pioneer. my speakers have never been that alive with the pioneer or an denon stereo receiver i had hooked to them. i did an A/B comparison between them and the pioneer sounded more laid back and in control with lower overall volume,even at high volume settings. The yamaha was a power house and the speakers were def louder and had a little better low end but in all aspects weren't as crisp or clean sounding as the pioneer. I would like to find the best of both worlds and find a solution to have the power and the finesse. Any suggestions?
post #20868 of 35269
Doesn't OMD-15 cost like twice of RF-82 II? I'm not surprised that the RF surpasses OMD for HT. How does the RF compare to OMD for music?
post #20869 of 35269
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Slight update:
I received the RF-82 II's from FedEx today. As stated, they were purchased as "Open Box, Like New" condition from an authorized Amazon seller. Upon unpacking, they were as described. Completely New condition. Could barely tell the boxes were ever originally opened.
Still waiting on the RC-64 II and RS-52 II's. FedEx says they should be here tomorrow. Won't have everything setup and ARC run until late this weekend, so need a few more days for a thorough impression/comparison post smile.gif
Who's the seller? Is it possible that the seller has actually allocated a certain number of brand new stock and sell them as open box? Authorized sellers are often bound by minimum advertised price policy but they are free to list open box below msrp. Otherwise, I can't imagine people would pay full price online. Well, it's just my guess.

Congrats and I'm sure you will enjoy your new Reference setup.
post #20870 of 35269
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Originally Posted by eaux View Post

Doesn't OMD-15 cost like twice of RF-82 II? I'm not surprised that the RF surpasses OMD for HT. How does the RF compare to OMD for music?

I paid about the same for the OMD 15 and the RF 82 II, although the MSRP (and the current prices on Crutchfield) are higher for the OMD.

I was pretty happy with the OMD for music. The RF 82 II sounded good, but the bass sounded a little muddy in some cases. I haven't played around with different placement options or run YPAO with the new speakers, so I'll reserve my judgment until I have more time to tweak things.
post #20871 of 35269
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Originally Posted by eaux View Post

Who's the seller? Is it possible that the seller has actually allocated a certain number of brand new stock and sell them as open box? Authorized sellers are often bound by minimum advertised price policy but they are free to list open box below msrp. Otherwise, I can't imagine people would pay full price online. Well, it's just my guess.
Congrats and I'm sure you will enjoy your new Reference setup.

The 82's were from IQ Home Entertainment. The 64 was from OneCall. And the 52's were from Electronic Expo.

All arrived and unpacked in "New" condition despite all sellers listing them as open box. Setting up tomorrow. Impressions should be posted Sunday or Monday.
post #20872 of 35269
hey guys im looking to upgrade my center, i feel like its not loud enough as my mains (f-1s). should i get the c-3 or rf-52? i can get the c-3 cheaper as it has been discontinued? im looking for clear loud sound. is it a bad idea to mix match different series of klipsch speakers? any suggestions? thanks in advance
post #20873 of 35269
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

I never saw it for $300 up until Christmas on Newegg. I was checking regularly to see what it was going for.


The rw-12 is back to 299 on new egg if your still interested.
post #20874 of 35269
Im wanting to upgrade the speaker stands on my Rb 81 II does anyone have any ideas?
post #20875 of 35269
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

The 82's were from IQ Home Entertainment. The 64 was from OneCall. And the 52's were from Electronic Expo.
All arrived and unpacked in "New" condition despite all sellers listing them as open box. Setting up tomorrow. Impressions should be posted Sunday or Monday.
BCJ . . .

YOU set those Puppies up Yet ? ? ? ?


what taking so Long ? ? ? ?

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post #20876 of 35269
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Originally Posted by ironpirate View Post

hey guys im looking to upgrade my center, i feel like its not loud enough as my mains (f-1s). should i get the c-3 or rf-52? i can get the c-3 cheaper as it has been discontinued? im looking for clear loud sound. is it a bad idea to mix match different series of klipsch speakers? any suggestions? thanks in advance

anyone?
post #20877 of 35269
Hey all,

Delurking big-time on AVS - been keeping my head down with other hobbies, except for an occasional post in the MCH music forum.

Anyway, a recent repair needed for my center channel (foam rubber surround was coming loose) has triggered me to start researching possible new speakers.

I've been pondering using Klipsch for quite a while, after hearing some RF-82s (IIRC) at a fellow AVSer's house over a year ago now (yeesh, has it been that long? Maybe two years?)

I listen to a lot of MCH music (SACDs, DVD-A) mixed in 5.1, and also watch a lot of BDs via PJ, of which many recent titles are mixed in 7.1 I suppose (I should probably check my library to see exactly how many are actually 7.1). I currently have a 5.1 speaker set-up, but I am considering going to 7.1 - it would help the rear row a fair bit, and possibly help out all listening positions. I am strongly considering RB-61 II speakers all around, with perhaps an RC-62 II (for the center, duh). Or maybe RB-51 IIs. My two subs positioned up front are Epik Empires, and are fairly well FR balanced for most listening positions. My receiver is an Onkyo 808.

I've included a graphic of the room layout, with suggested positions for a 7.1 set-up. The rear surrounds are a little uneven in placement due to the topology of the rear wall - it just makes the most sense to mount them as shown, so some level and audio-delay trimming will be required.

There is more stuff in the room - I just included the relevant seating, bookcases, subs and suggested speaker locations. The room is fairly "dead" - carpeted floor, area rugs mounted on walls covering windows, seating is soft microfiber, leather, or plush type material. the ceiling is typical textured (but not popcorn), and bookcases (full of books and other "stuff") line most of the back wall.



The four non-center speakers of my current 5.1 system are essentially in the four corners of the room - they are big fullsize beasts with 12" woofers. And they sound quite fine, to be honest. But they are also almost 30 years old now, so I have decided to plan out their eventual replacement. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday...

Also...since I can't (or don't want to) move the seating rows up to provide more room behind the rear row, will the rear surrounds be "too close" to the rear row? Should I care, since I rarely have a full house, and usually it is the middle and front row occupied?

And what "benefit" will the RB-61s have over RB-51s, other than the larger watt rating, assuming I would set the Sub X-over at 60 or 80 Hz?

I've come to some conclusions on these topics myself, but am quite interested in what this Owner's Thread has to say.

shinksma
post #20878 of 35269
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Originally Posted by ironpirate View Post

hey guys im looking to upgrade my center, i feel like its not loud enough as my mains (f-1s). should i get the c-3 or rf-52? i can get the c-3 cheaper as it has been discontinued? im looking for clear loud sound. is it a bad idea to mix match different series of klipsch speakers? any suggestions? thanks in advance

Actually, the C1 is Klipsch's recommendation as the matching center for the F1s.

A Reference RC52 would be overkill unless you plan on upgrading in the future to Reference speakers all around in your HT.

If you get center much more powerful and not timbre matched to your F1s, you may have a hard time not overwhelming your F1 towers.


My recommendation is to move up to RF82s and an RC62. Use your F1s,as surrounds until you can add RS52s.

For real volume without clipping, it may be time for you to move into a Reference setup.

The F1s are really just a budget music speaker. If you already have a C1 center, you have the matched one for the F1s already. Sure, the F1 is good for cheap, but,you cannot expect Reference,performance out of them. They and their matching center are what they are.

All this is just my humble opinion.
post #20879 of 35269
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

...I've been pondering using Klipsch for quite a while, after hearing some RF-82s (IIRC) at a fellow AVSer's house...I listen to a lot of MCH music (SACDs, DVD-A) mixed in 5.1, and also watch a lot of BDs via PJ, of which many recent titles are mixed in 7.1 I suppose (I should probably check my library to see exactly how many are actually 7.1). I currently have a 5.1 speaker set-up, but I am considering going to 7.1 - it would help the rear row a fair bit, and possibly help out all listening positions. I am strongly considering RB-61 II speakers all around, with perhaps an RC-62 II (for the center, duh). Or maybe RB-51 IIs. My two subs positioned up front are Epik Empires, and are fairly well FR balanced for most listening positions. My receiver is an Onkyo 808...

Welcome to the thread shinksma. I primarily listen to multichannel music and would suggest different speakers than the small monitors you are considering. Fwiw, I own 5 pair of Klipsch bookshelf speakers and the only ones I would really like running as mains for this material would be the discontinued RB-75s because of the larger compression driver for the horn and it is a really well made speaker. Another consideration is to go all Klipsch Heresy which are readily available in the used mkt, but I prefer the former but they will be hard to find.

All that being said , I still prefer running towers all of the way around. smile.gif Good luck and that's my 2 cents.
Edited by Zen Traveler - 1/6/13 at 9:03am
post #20880 of 35269
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Originally Posted by ironpirate View Post

hey guys im looking to upgrade my center, i feel like its not loud enough as my mains (f-1s).

Have you tried bumping up the loudness of the center channel in the AVR? You should be able to make it go "as loud" as your mains and make sure the speaker is angled towards your ears...Of course it none of that works upgrade your center channel. Good Luck.
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