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post #20911 of 35379
Would the 51's fit well as rear surrounds with my current 4x series speakers?
post #20912 of 35379
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Originally Posted by mdenning View Post

Hello all, I am looking for some input.
I just replaced my Polk PSW Series PSW505 with a Klipsch RW-12D, and am now looking to replace my Polk RM8 satellites with some Klipsch speakers for rear surround. My current setup is RC-42II, 2x RF-42II, and 2x RS-42II. I am unsure whether I should round out with the RBs or 2 more RFs for the rear surround.
Related to this, would it be worth sticking with my RC-42, or upgrading it to the 52? I have noticed that in some movies, voices do seem somewhat low/drowned out.
Thanks guys!
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Originally Posted by mdenning View Post

Would the 51's fit well as rear surrounds with my current 4x series speakers?

A good set up but I would look at stepping up to the 52 and if possible to the 62 line. You'll get much better dynamics from them. If too pricey, I would look at getting higher end RB series for the front.

For the back, you can stay with the RB series. Sticking with the same series would give you a better tonal match but I never really noticed it with the back speakers. I have RF-52 II as rear and RF-82 II's as front LR and it sounded great together. I would recommend focusing on the front sound stage the most as that's where most of the audio comes from and then moving towards the back. Do you have a budget in mind for the system? Are you going to be using it for movies only or a mix of movies and music?
post #20913 of 35379
The RF-42IIs are a recent purchase, so not sure I want to upgrade them. I went with them over the 62s due to room size. My room is pretty small (10x15, at most), so they fill the area quite well. When you mention stepping up to the 52/62, were you referring to my center channel question, or all front speakers?

Edit - as for budget, not really. Just getting stuff as I can, so if I need to save for some higher priced speakers, I'm ok with that. Mostly movies and TV (sports) is what Ill be watching. I attempted to listen to some music last night via xbox music app on my 360, and noticed it only streams stereo audio, which was a bummer.
Edited by mdenning - 1/9/13 at 9:06am
post #20914 of 35379
Hi, I am a fellow Klipsch owner with, admittedly, very little knowledge of proper HTS set-up. I posted this is its own thread but then saw this thread and figured I go to the Klipsch experts - sorry for the repost -

Currently, I have a Klipsch Quintet 5.1 system with a Klipsch Synergy 10" sub 9200 watts) connected to a Yamaha HTR-5063 (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/htr/htr-5063_black__u/?mode=model - discontinued now but I really love it, two tear, no problems - knock on wood).

My question is, I ordered so Klipsch Synergy B-20 5.25" bookshelf speakwes that I want to swap out with the fronts in the quintet system. I love the quintets (good from my media room which is rectangular, long (~25 feet and narrow~15 feet) shaped room. However, and I knew this going in to the quintet system, they do not deliver on music. I am hopeful that the bookshelf speaks will fill that void for my surround sound set-up.

And that is where I seek your opinion. Will this set up work well for me? Will substituting the bookshelf speakers in for the two mounted quintets for use as front speaks sound nice? Will they pair well with the rest of the set up? I know the rears will be much smaller and I will have to play with my receivers settings, but I am happy with my subwoofer (it will shakes the place and I often just keep it low (like around 3 of 10) as to not drown everything else out.

I know I could switch to a 2.1 system but really enjoy the surround in back of the couch so I'd like to keep it at 5.1. i even have two extra (unused) Quintets as i planned to do a 7.1 set up but due to the configuration and set up of the media room it really was not feasible and once I tweaked it to a 5.1 system I enjoyed it much more so for movies and video.

Does this set up that includes taking out the two front quintets and and swapping them for the bookshelf speakers sound like it will be good for music and for surround sound in movies? Can you think of any issues I might have? The the Synergy line of speakers conflict with the quintet line even though they are both Klipsch.

Currently, I have a Klipsch Quintet 5.1 system with a Klipsch Synergy 10" sub 9200 watts) connected to a Yamaha HTR-5063 (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/htr/htr-5063_black__u/?mode=model - discontinued now but I really love it, two tear, no problems - knock on wood).

My question is, I ordered so Klipsch Synergy B-20 5.25" bookself speaks that I want to swap out with the fronts in the quintet system. I love the quintets (good from my media room which is rectangular, long (~25 feet and narrow~15 feet) shaped room. However, and I knew this going in to the quintet system, they do not deliver on music. I am hopeful that the bookshelf speaks will fill that void for my surround sound set-up.

And that is where I seek your opinion. Will this set up work well for me? Will substituting the bookshelf speakers in for the two mounted quintets for use as front speaks sound nice? Will they pair well with the rest of the set up? I know the rears will be much smaller and I will have to play with my receivers settings, but I am happy with my subwoofer (it will shakes the place and I often just keep it low (like around 3 of 10) as to not drown everything else out.

I know I could switch to a 2.1 system but really enjoy the surround in back of the couch so I'd like to keep it at 5.1. i even have two extra (unused) Quintets as i planned to do a 7.1 set up but due to the configuration and set up of the media room it really was not feasible and once I tweaked it to a 5.1 system I enjoyed it much more so for movies and video.

Does this set up that includes taking out the two front quintets and and swapping them for the bookshelf speakers sound like it will be good for music and for surround sound in movies? Can you think of any issues I might have? The the Synergy line of speakers conflict with the quintet line even though they are both Klipsch?

A reply was left in my "old" thread that the timbres between the B-20s and the center should match to sound correct. Does anyone know how the Quintet center timbre will match up with the B-20s? I know the B-20s are bigger but I was thinking about pumping up the volume on the Quintet center while leaving the B-20s at a mid-level.

Thanks in advance and quick replies would be great if possible as the speakers are on there way!. Does anyone know if they are matched or if this will make a difference? I know the driver is bigger in the B-20s than in the center but can I pump up the volume on the center while keeping the B-20 about average to compensate?

Thanks in advance and quick replies would be great if possible as the speakers are on there way!

Oh, an PS: Are the B-20 decent speakers? I know O could have gone with the Reference bookshelves but I already had the Synergy sub and from what I could tell, the B-20s didn't get bad reviews....should I regret not going Reference?
post #20915 of 35379
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Originally Posted by matthew2323 View Post

Hi, I am a fellow Klipsch owner with, admittedly, very little knowledge of proper HTS set-up. I posted this is its own thread but then saw this thread and figured I go to the Klipsch experts - sorry for the repost -

Currently, I have a Klipsch Quintet 5.1 system with a Klipsch Synergy 10" sub 9200 watts) connected to a Yamaha HTR-5063 (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/htr/htr-5063_black__u/?mode=model - discontinued now but I really love it, two tear, no problems - knock on wood).

My question is, I ordered so Klipsch Synergy B-20 5.25" bookself speaks that I want to swap out with the fronts in the quintet system. I love the quintets (good from my media room which is rectangular, long (~25 feet and narrow~15 feet) shaped room. However, and I knew this going in to the quintet system, they do not deliver on music. I am hopeful that the bookshelf speaks will fill that void for my surround sound set-up.

And that is where I seek your opinion. Will this set up work well for me? Will substituting the bookshelf speakers in for the two mounted quintets for use as front speaks sound nice? Will they pair well with the rest of the set up? I know the rears will be much smaller and I will have to play with my receivers settings, but I am happy with my subwoofer (it will shakes the place and I often just keep it low (like around 3 of 10) as to not drown everything else out.

I know I could switch to a 2.1 system but really enjoy the surround in back of the couch so I'd like to keep it at 5.1. i even have two extra (unused) Quintets as i planned to do a 7.1 set up but due to the configuration and set up of the media room it really was not feasible and once I tweaked it to a 5.1 system I enjoyed it much more so for movies and video.

Does this set up that includes taking out the two front quintets and and swapping them for the bookshelf speakers sound like it will be good for music and for surround sound in movies? Can you think of any issues I might have? The the Synergy line of speakers conflict with the quintet line even though they are both Klipsch?

A reply was left in my "old" thread that the timbres between the B-20s and the center should match to sound correct. Does anyone know how the Quintet center timbre will match up with the B-20s? I know the B-20s are bigger but I was thinking about pumping up the volume on the Quintet center while leaving the B-20s at a mid-level.

Thanks in advance and quick replies would be great if possible as the speakers are on there way!. Does anyone know if they are matched or if this will make a difference? I know the driver is bigger in the B-20s than in the center but can I pump up the volume on the center while keeping the B-20 about average to compensate?

Thanks in advance and quick replies would be great if possible as the speakers are on there way!

Oh, an PS: Are the B-20 decent speakers? I know O could have gone with the Reference bookshelves but I already had the Synergy sub and from what I could tell, the B-20s didn't get bad reviews....should I regret not going Reference?

I would recommend getting the matching C-20 center channel to go with your B-20s. The 4 remaining speakers should be adequate for surround duty (at least until you get the upgrade bug again). biggrin.gif
post #20916 of 35379
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Originally Posted by mdenning View Post

The RF-42IIs are a recent purchase, so not sure I want to upgrade them. I went with them over the 62s due to room size. My room is pretty small (10x15, at most), so they fill the area quite well. When you mention stepping up to the 52/62, were you referring to my center channel question, or all front speakers?

Edit - as for budget, not really. Just getting stuff as I can, so if I need to save for some higher priced speakers, I'm ok with that. Mostly movies and TV (sports) is what Ill be watching. I attempted to listen to some music last night via xbox music app on my 360, and noticed it only streams stereo audio, which was a bummer.

Ah, thought you were just in the planning stages still. You can call Klipsch and get the best answer as far as using the RC-52 with the RF-42's but in the end it will be up to your own ears. Lots will say that there will be a tonal mismatch when going from center to left and/or right speakers.Is there any chance you are close to some AV store that will let you demo the two setups? Personally I would go with the RC-52 and deal with the mismatch in return for being able to get more out of the center than with the RC-42.
post #20917 of 35379
Thanks. That was what I was afraid you were going to say. Don't have the $300 right now (wife would kill me) so I am hoping the Quintet Center will hold me over for a bit.

Side note - is the Synergy line well regarded in the Klipsck lineup?
post #20918 of 35379
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Originally Posted by matthew2323 View Post

Thanks. That was what I was afraid you were going to say. Don't have the $300 right now (wife would kill me) so I am hoping the Quintet Center will hold me over for a bit.

Side note - is the Synergy line well regarded in the Klipsck lineup?
The Synergy line is ok. Actually I had the Synergy series before I upgraded to the Reference line. Hands down no comparison. Reference is leaps and bounds better.
post #20919 of 35379
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Originally Posted by wizard8873 View Post

Ah, thought you were just in the planning stages still. You can call Klipsch and get the best answer as far as using the RC-52 with the RF-42's but in the end it will be up to your own ears. Lots will say that there will be a tonal mismatch when going from center to left and/or right speakers.Is there any chance you are close to some AV store that will let you demo the two setups? Personally I would go with the RC-52 and deal with the mismatch in return for being able to get more out of the center than with the RC-42.

Thanks for the input! There's a Frys about 20min away that has some (not all) of the Reference line. I'll have to check if there's any actual AV shops around, though. Im leaning towards agreeing to moving up to the RC-52
post #20920 of 35379
So my Surround Speakers should be here tomorrow...

My current setup is Fronts RF-82 v1, Center RF-62 v1, and an RW-10d.

My surrounds are going to be 4 RS-41 II Surround speakers. Does anyone know if it would be better to have them roof or wall mounted?

I think the v1s and the IIs for surround should be relatively the same timber and sound right?
post #20921 of 35379
I would mount them at least two feet above your head, not on the ceiling. I use RB-41 II's for my rears, and have them around 54" from the floor, which is perfect for when we recline our seats in our couch, because then they are at the best level/position.
post #20922 of 35379
I swapped out my surrounds with RS-52 IIs last night to complete my Reference setup, and all I can say is WOW! I watched the "Games" scene from Tron Legacy, and it felt like I was a spectator in that arena. I was expecting only marginal improvement, so I was pleasantly surprised at what a big difference the 52s made.

After 25 years of trying, I think I have finally recreated the theater experience. smile.gif
post #20923 of 35379
Gent's. Thinking of amplifying my RF-7II's.

I've been running them off of my Pio Elite SC-57 AVR for the past year and with their high sensitivity, I haven't had any real complaints.

I'm in the process of upgrading my subs, so I'm going to need the extra headroom. Thoughts/opinions/reccomendations on a good low cost amp? I'm not necessairly opposed to going with a pro amp, but I definitely don't want to introduce any noise in the signal chain.

The theoretical math says double your power and add 3db, but I can't imagine going from my AVR to ~300-400watts per channel would give me an additional 6db?!?!?

Can someone weigh in?
post #20924 of 35379
I am thinking about switching from Paradigm Monitors to Klipsch. I was following BigCoolJesus posts but have not seen anything. Did I miss something?
post #20925 of 35379
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Well, finally got my RF-82 II's, RC-64 II, and RS-52 II's setup and ARC rerun on my Anthem MRX700 receiver. So far, I AM IMPRESSED.

The single greatest improvement I have noticed is more forward and clear movie dialogue. Even with my Paradigm Sig setup, I never had such clarity for voice reproduction. I watched The Dark Knight Rises four seperate times on my Sig setup. And every time I was left wishing the dialogue was a tad more forward, especially Banes voice (such as the opening scene on the airplane....I usually had to struggle to make out what was being said). With the Klipsch setup, voices and dialogue was perfectly audible. Banes voice boomed over the roar of the plane engines, just like I remembered from the theaters.

The only con I have right now is getting used to how forward sounding the horns are. My Paradigm setups were always more neutral and "smooth". I dont dislike this new sound characteristic of the Klipschs...just have to let my ears adjust, especially since I found myself listening a few dB's louder then usual because of their insanse clarity and sensitivity, a major plus (for movies) over my Sig's.

More detailed impressions to follow as I watch more movies in full and grow acustomed to the new sound.

Thanks guys!
This was one of his last posts...BCJ must just be enjoying the Klipsch like the rest of us smile.gif
post #20926 of 35379
OK, Thanks. I am going to listen to the RF series today.
post #20927 of 35379
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Gent's. Thinking of amplifying my RF-7II's.

I've been running them off of my Pio Elite SC-57 AVR for the past year and with their high sensitivity, I haven't had any real complaints.

I'm in the process of upgrading my subs, so I'm going to need the extra headroom. Thoughts/opinions/reccomendations on a good low cost amp? I'm not necessairly opposed to going with a pro amp, but I definitely don't want to introduce any noise in the signal chain.

The theoretical math says double your power and add 3db, but I can't imagine going from my AVR to ~300-400watts per channel would give me an additional 6db?!?!?

Can someone weigh in?
a increase in volume is NOT the primary reason I went to power amps mine was the added headroom that added depth , detail , clarity, separation of instruments in music(which lead to me now experiencing sounds that i never heard before in well know music) , over all huge increase in dynamics in movies smile.gif
Now I actually listen to music at a slightly volume than with out the amps due to the detail , I now find I don't need high volumes to hear the detail that a higher volume produced . Now the experience is also less fatiguing .
post #20928 of 35379
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Gent's. Thinking of amplifying my RF-7II's.

I've been running them off of my Pio Elite SC-57 AVR for the past year and with their high sensitivity, I haven't had any real complaints.

I'm in the process of upgrading my subs, so I'm going to need the extra headroom. Thoughts/opinions/reccomendations on a good low cost amp? I'm not necessairly opposed to going with a pro amp, but I definitely don't want to introduce any noise in the signal chain.

The theoretical math says double your power and add 3db, but I can't imagine going from my AVR to ~300-400watts per channel would give me an additional 6db?!?!?

Can someone weigh in?

Although not in the same class as the SC-57 I had a midrange Pioneer AVR (1021K) when I purchased my RF7II's and it sounded pretty decent. After I upgraded to separates, I was amazed at the difference at all volumes levels. The detail and seperation of both music and HT was night and day on sources I was very familiar with. There have been a lot of people stating that they have had noise introduced with some EMO amps due to the higher efficiency Klipsch but my EMO XPA-5 introduced zero, nada, zilch noise into my system and I couldn't be happier. The 7's have impendence dips so the main thing is to have good strong current and not so much "watts per channel" although too much is better than too little. I have yet to get a SPL meter so I can't comment on the db gain I achieved.
post #20929 of 35379
Tasdom, so you have your RF-7 II's paired with Emotiva XPA-5? I'm thinking of getting an external amp for my RF-7 II's too. I'm currently driving mine with the integrated amp of the Denon 3312. Not sure if I should get a XPA-5 now or save up for an Outlaw 7500 or a Parasound 5250 v2.

Any more experience on this particular pairing that you can share? Thanks.
post #20930 of 35379
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

a increase in volume is NOT the primary reason I went to power amps mine was the added headroom that added depth , detail , clarity, separation of instruments in music(which lead to me now experiencing sounds that i never heard before in well know music) , over all huge increase in dynamics in movies smile.gif
Now I actually listen to music at a slightly volume than with out the amps due to the detail , I now find I don't need high volumes to hear the detail that a higher volume produced . Now the experience is also less fatiguing .

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Originally Posted by Tasdom View Post

Although not in the same class as the SC-57 I had a midrange Pioneer AVR (1021K) when I purchased my RF7II's and it sounded pretty decent. After I upgraded to separates, I was amazed at the difference at all volumes levels. The detail and seperation of both music and HT was night and day on sources I was very familiar with. There have been a lot of people stating that they have had noise introduced with some EMO amps due to the higher efficiency Klipsch but my EMO XPA-5 introduced zero, nada, zilch noise into my system and I couldn't be happier. The 7's have impendence dips so the main thing is to have good strong current and not so much "watts per channel" although too much is better than too little. I have yet to get a SPL meter so I can't comment on the db gain I achieved.

So hands down... External amplification is worth it.
post #20931 of 35379
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post


So hands down... External amplification is worth it.
I M H O yes
post #20932 of 35379
IMO Yes also...I don't put honest in mine. I've been called a liar and cheat too many times...
post #20933 of 35379
+1 on external amplification. I really like what adding a Rotel RMB-1095 did or my reference system.
post #20934 of 35379
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

IMO Yes also...I don't put honest in mine. I've been called a liar and cheat too many times...

"MY" " H " is for Humble L O L .... smile.gif
post #20935 of 35379
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post


So hands down... External amplification is worth it.

I don't think so. Fwiw, the amp section in my Denon AVR 4806 is as good as the Emo xpa-5 and my guess is so is your Pioneer sc-57 which is rated to drive multiple speakers that have impedance dips that go as low as 3.2 Ohms.
post #20936 of 35379
Unless you're listening at volumes high enough to cause clipping or distortion, an external amp will not sound better. These people are trying to justify a major purchase that is wasted if you aren't out of headroom.

If you're listening at reference volume, then an external may benefit you. If you're listening at normal listening levels, an external certainly isn't going to make a perceivable difference. If it does, show us room measurements or double blind test results.
post #20937 of 35379
I listen at reference levels and am now really enjoying the Crown XLS1500 I picked up off eBay used for less than I bought my Crown XLS1000 for new. My XLS1000 is going to be moved to either sub duty (once I figure out what I'm doing) or sub and center duty. I have RF-7IIs and love watching 4 10" drivers work.

I have an Onkyo TR-SX703 at 100w/ch and could get it to shut down in stereo mode.
post #20938 of 35379
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

"MY" " H " is for Humble L O L .... smile.gif
Well that leaves me out also smile.gif
post #20939 of 35379
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

Unless you're listening at volumes high enough to cause clipping or distortion, an external amp will not sound better. These people are trying to justify a major purchase that is wasted if you aren't out of headroom.

If you're listening at reference volume, then an external may benefit you. If you're listening at normal listening levels, an external certainly isn't going to make a perceivable difference. If it does, show us room measurements or double blind test results.

Movies and music with the family, -10db.

Movies by myself, 0 to + 5db.

Music by myself +10 to 15db.

Music and movies while entertaining or demoing my system for other AVSers, +10 to clipping the mains...

I'll probably end up getting an external amp regardless because I am planning on building my own mains eventually. It might be awhile, but once I get everything situated I'll take some measurements with and without amplification...
post #20940 of 35379
Not for extended periods of time... I just like to come home from work and just blast some music to let off some steam...
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