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post #20941 of 35408
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Movies and music with the family, -10db.

Movies by myself, 0 to + 5db.

Music by myself +10 to 15db.

Music and movies while entertaining or demoing my system for other AVSers, +10 to clipping the mains...

I'll probably end up getting an external amp regardless because I am planning on building my own mains eventually. It might be awhile, but once I get everything situated I'll take some measurements with and without amplification...

If "0" on your pioneer is THX Reference level then...Wait--If you are listening to material at anywhere near "+5 to +15" and it's not running you out of the room then "0" can't be THX Reference level, but if you are clipping your speakers you need an amp beefier than the Emotiva xpa-5.
post #20942 of 35408
Guys How do the Icon kf-28 compare to the reference series of speakers are they comparable? has any heard the icon kf-28's??????????
post #20943 of 35408
no... they are no comparable.
post #20944 of 35408
The Icon series is considered entry-level and is sold through Best Buy exclusively. I heard the KF-28 there and wasn't impressed at all.

If you have a dealer in your area that carries the reference series, go and audition it. Also head over to Best Buy to audition the Icon series. I doubt you need to audition them side-by-side in order to tell the difference.
post #20945 of 35408
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

no... they are no comparable.

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Originally Posted by eaux View Post

The Icon series is considered entry-level and is sold through Best Buy exclusively. I heard the KF-28 there and wasn't impressed at all.

If you have a dealer in your area that carries the reference series, go and audition it. Also head over to Best Buy to audition the Icon series. I doubt you need to audition them side-by-side in order to tell the difference.

Yeah i heard the refernce series............I just have not heard the icon series............but thanks for the heads up
post #20946 of 35408
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Originally Posted by RickD1225 View Post

+1 on external amplification. I really like what adding a Rotel RMB-1095 did or my reference system.

 

Another +1 on external amplification . . . I do not often listen at reference level, but I added an old Phase Linear 400 amp from the 70's (after reworking the caps and lights, and looks cool with the old school meters) for my fronts (Klipschorns) . . . running a Denon 4311.  After adding the external amp, I hear things from the Khorns I never heard before . . . lots of separation in instruments while listening to music and greater clarity even at lower volumes--that is headroom.  Headroom is the advantage of an external amp, depending on the speakers you are driving.  If they are low end speakers, you cannot get out of them what is not there . . . but the OP has RF7s . . . hard to think such beasts would not benefit from an external amp if someone is looking to hear the subtleties of music, IMO.

post #20947 of 35408
I've also added a Parasound A52 to my Reference setup and couldnt be happier !
post #20948 of 35408
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Another +1 on external amplification . . . I do not often listen at reference level, but I added an old Phase Linear 400 amp from the 70's (after reworking the caps and lights, and looks cool with the old school meters) for my fronts (Klipschorns) . . . running a Denon 4311.  After adding the external amp, I hear things from the Khorns I never heard before . . .

What was it about the Denon AVR-4311ci that couldn't drive your Klipschorns efficiently?

Fwiw, I can see how the RF-7s (with their jagged response curve that dips below 3 ohms in certain frequencies) benefiting from an external amp, but your speakers are efficient top to bottom, are 8 Ohm rated, and don't have taxing impedance dips.
Edited by Zen Traveler - 1/13/13 at 10:08am
post #20949 of 35408
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Another +1 on external amplification . . . I do not often listen at reference level, but I added an old Phase Linear 400 amp from the 70's (after reworking the caps and lights, and looks cool with the old school meters) for my fronts (Klipschorns) . . . running a Denon 4311.  After adding the external amp, I hear things from the Khorns I never heard before . . . lots of separation in instruments while listening to music and greater clarity even at lower volumes--that is headroom.  
Hmm. Not my definition of headroom... Headroom is the reverses left before clipping or reaching the maximum of the speakers.
post #20950 of 35408
headroom, could be define as power in reserve for that crackle, glass break, explosion of some type. Even the ROAR of a animal alien thing that is really pissed. Others can explain it better; but the reason you hear more is that there is more muscle to move/project the sound. visually its like spreading butter, more butter spread over your toast will taste better than that pat in the middle. I have a EMOTIVA XPA-5, an loving it.It WOKE UP the front stage. RC62, RF82's, an RB81's for heights. I have a WALL of sound and dynamics that still amazes me;JUDGE DREDD: Ohh the surrounds have 150w x4......
Edited by ILOVEMYHDTV - 1/13/13 at 12:02pm
post #20951 of 35408
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Originally Posted by eaux View Post

Tasdom, so you have your RF-7 II's paired with Emotiva XPA-5? I'm thinking of getting an external amp for my RF-7 II's too. I'm currently driving mine with the integrated amp of the Denon 3312. Not sure if I should get a XPA-5 now or save up for an Outlaw 7500 or a Parasound 5250 v2.

Any more experience on this particular pairing that you can share? Thanks.

All of the amps you mention should work fine imo. For me, the emo was within my budget for a "new" amp and having only a pre/pro I obviously have to have an external amp. One factor that pushed me was the 30 day return policy. I would have only had to pay return shipping if I was not satisfied. I'm not familiar with the capabilities of your Denon AVR but as others have stated, listening levels, number of channel's driven, etc,, all weigh in on really "needing" external amplification.
post #20952 of 35408
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

I've also added a Parasound A52 to my Reference setup and couldnt be happier !
That's it! Why don't you add something decent smile.gif
post #20953 of 35408
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Hmm. Not my definition of headroom... Headroom is the reverses left before clipping or reaching the maximum of the speakers.
That's the narrow view of headroom smile.gif
the headroom that being described by a few of us is the added dynamics of headroom that is there in the middle volumes ,Not the top end of the volume range . Much as ILOVEMYHD describes so well in the above thread cool.gif
adding power amps has allowed me to set speakers at their rolloff point instead of a 80 cross over point , that make the woofs sing as they were designed to do . wink.gif
post #20954 of 35408
Hey everyone,

I recently installed a new set of Quintets and connected them to an Onkyo NR515. Running the auto calibration microphone resulted the crossover point for each speaker being set at 100 hz, which is 10 and 20 hz below what the speakers are rated for. I didn't realize this until I was looking through the speaker specifications and then digging into my AVR's menus and manually setting speaker distances and the like (the auto calibrations were waaaay off for my 10'x15' room). Now it sounds like there's a slightly blown channel: playing Max Payne 3, some of the cutscene voice over has a little crackle to it but nothing of Max talking outside of a cutscene. On some other material, with male voices (nothing high pitched at all) there is a bit of crackle that's barely audible but I can hear it. Is this irreversible damage or just an incorrect setting in my receiver? I'm using 16 gauge RCA speaker cable.

I bought the speakers around July last year and they're still under the five year warranty. What is Klipsch's warranty claim process like? Will my center be covered?
Edited by brightdarkness - 1/13/13 at 1:24pm
post #20955 of 35408
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

... adding power amps has allowed me to set speakers at their rolloff point instead of a 80 cross over point , that make the woofs sing as they were designed to do . wink.gif

Maybe so, but the Klipschorn is a totally horn loaded speaker and shouldn't require as much to hit those lower notes.
post #20956 of 35408
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Originally Posted by brightdarkness View Post

Hey everyone,

...I bought the speakers around July last year and they're still under the five year warranty. What is Klipsch's warranty claim process like? Will my center be covered?

They should cover it but try a few different source materials to make sure it's the speaker and not the source....Insofar as your settings are concerned, I can't imagine that being the culprit.
post #20957 of 35408
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Originally Posted by brightdarkness View Post

Hey everyone,

crossover point for each speaker being set at 100 hz, which is 10 and 20 hz below what the speakers are rated for. I didn't realize this until I was looking through the speaker specifications and then digging into my AVR's menus and manually setting speaker distances and the like (the auto calibrations were waaaay off for my 10'x15' room). Now it sounds like there's a slightly blown channel: playing Max Payne 3, some of the cutscene voice over has a little crackle to it but nothing of Max talking outside of a cutscene. On some other material, with male voices (nothing high pitched at all) there is a bit of crackle that's barely audible but I can hear it. Is this irreversible damage or just an incorrect setting in my receiver? I?

i would suggest swapping speakers; an test it out.if it continues then it the AVR. if not then no warranty try craig or evay....an YES when i used room correction it did the same, but i set the cut off to manufacturer specs.
post #20958 of 35408
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Originally Posted by brightdarkness View Post

Hey everyone,

I recently installed a new set of Quintets and connected them to an Onkyo NR515. Running the auto calibration microphone resulted the crossover point for each speaker being set at 100 hz, which is 10 and 20 hz below what the speakers are rated for. I didn't realize this until I was looking through the speaker specifications and then digging into my AVR's menus and manually setting speaker distances and the like (the auto calibrations were waaaay off for my 10'x15' room). Now it sounds like there's a slightly blown channel: playing Max Payne 3, some of the cutscene voice over has a little crackle to it but nothing of Max talking outside of a cutscene. On some other material, with male voices (nothing high pitched at all) there is a bit of crackle that's barely audible but I can hear it. Is this irreversible damage or just an incorrect setting in my receiver?
How loud had you been playing the Quintet? I can't imagine a 'slightly off' crossover point in the AVR could have blown a speaker. Usually clipping of a program source by an over driven amp, or sending too much power to a speaker could damage it.
post #20959 of 35408
Hey all, I have a pair of RF3 II's that have had the speaker covers/grill covers whatever they are called, taken some abuse. These are the ones before they started making them magnetic. So they have these dump plastic things that your shove into the rubber holes on the front of the speaker to hold them in place.

Is the only place I can get replacements for these through Klipsch? I called them and they cost more than the speakers are worth now.
I don't have to have the brand name but I doubt anyone makes any replacements besides Klipsch themselves...so am I really going to have to fork out what they are asking for these?
post #20960 of 35408
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Originally Posted by eaux View Post

How loud had you been playing the Quintet? I can't imagine a 'slightly off' crossover point in the AVR could have blown a speaker. Usually clipping of a program source by an over driven amp, or sending too much power to a speaker could damage it.

The first night I had everything up and running I wasn't sure what the settings on the AVR were and had the volume up to 70 (out of 78) on Theater Dimension, which I now know simulates full surround out of the fronts. For standard listening/watching I have it between 50 to 55.
post #20961 of 35408
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Originally Posted by ILOVEMYHDTV View Post

headroom, could be define as power in reserve for that crackle, glass break, explosion of some type. Even the ROAR of a animal alien thing that is really pissed. Others can explain it better; but the reason you hear more is that there is more muscle to move/project the sound. visually its like spreading butter, more butter spread over your toast will taste better than that pat in the middle. I have a EMOTIVA XPA-5, an loving it.It WOKE UP the front stage. RC62, RF82's, an RB81's for heights. I have a WALL of sound and dynamics that still amazes me;JUDGE DREDD: Ohh the surrounds have 150w x4......

LoL What ? This is verging on the head-fi "No double blind test" forum where the wacko audiophiles post.

Headroom is power in reserve or indirectly the volume in reserve that an amp/speaker combo have. Simple as that. If you're running your speakers so that absolute peaks are not clipping, and the speakers are not distorting from reaching max excursion or overheating, then you have headroom.

If your amp's reserves arent tapped dry and causing clipping, adding an external amp and asking it to push out the SAME WATTS as your normal amp aren't going to "put extra butter on your toast". An external amp doesn't give you a cleaner signal unless the original amp is causing distortion at those levels.

At low volumes, it's all in your head, the fact that the external amp has more reserves for loud peaks doesn't matter if they never get used.

To spread this quasi-scientific illogical reasoning is going to cause people to go out and spend a lot of money for things that will not make a difference when they could be adding extra subwoofers or acoustic treatments or nicer chairs or something that really will make a difference.

Also, I'm sorry to come down on your post, I don't wish to offend you on a personal level, I just think your opinion on your upgrades are skewed based on some misunderstanding of electrical components as well as a good chunk of money spent on something that gets a lot of over inflated reviews.
post #20962 of 35408
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Hey all, I have a pair of RF3 II's that have had the speaker covers/grill covers whatever they are called, taken some abuse. These are the ones before they started making them magnetic. So they have these dump plastic things that your shove into the rubber holes on the front of the speaker to hold them in place...

I saw on the Klipsch Forum someone mentioning that you could purchase some commercial strength glue and reattach the pegs where they are broken and if they are missing you could glue on some dowels that could fit into the holes.

EDIT: Here is a search on the Klipsch Forum with the word "peg" and there are several ideas: http://community.klipsch.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=pegs&o=Relevance
Edited by Zen Traveler - 1/13/13 at 6:26pm
post #20963 of 35408
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I saw on the Klipsch Forum someone mentioning that you could purchase some commercial strength glue and reattach the pegs where they are broken and if they are missing you could glue on some dowels that could fit into the holes.

EDIT: Here is a search on the Klipsch Forum with the word "peg" and there are several ideas: http://community.klipsch.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=pegs&o=Relevance

Well, they are also just in bad shape on the cloth as well, dog peed on them etc...so I'm wanting to just replace them if I can, but the magnet rework might be what I try next.
post #20964 of 35408
Darn Dog Pee will do it every time..
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

Darn Dog Pee will do it every time..
Cat piss is Way worse as piss goes that is Way worse rolleyes.gif
post #20966 of 35408
Someone in this Klipsch thread mentioned magnets from Parts Express:
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/115009/1159007.aspx#1159007

Which I found the magnets here:
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/magnets/500

But these seem too strong for this kind of use? I don't want them to not be able to be removed, the normal ones are easy to remove, not hard.
post #20967 of 35408
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Someone in this Klipsch thread mentioned magnets from Parts Express:
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/115009/1159007.aspx#1159007

Which I found the magnets here:
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/magnets/500

But these seem too strong for this kind of use? I don't want them to not be able to be removed, the normal ones are easy to remove, not hard.

Velcro tabs/strips may be an alternative in lieu of magnets.
post #20968 of 35408
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Cat piss is Way worse as piss goes that is Way worse rolleyes.gif
You got that right cat pee phew....
post #20969 of 35408
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Originally Posted by Tasdom View Post

Velcro tabs/strips may be an alternative in lieu of magnets.

True. Not a bad idea either. I like the challenge of maybe the magnet engineering method, might try it first. Then if all else fails, move to velcro.
post #20970 of 35408
I posted a separate thread, but realized this is probably a better place to post. Sorry for being a noob:

Here's a list of gear I'm considering putting together for my setup:

pre-amp: Onkyo PR-SC5509 pre-amp http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=PR-SC5509&class=Preamplifier&p=i
amps: 2x Onkyo PA-MC5500 http://www.us.onkyo.com/model.cfm?m=PA-MC5500&class=Amplifier&p=i

center - http://www.klipsch.com/R-5800-W-II
l/r - http://www.klipsch.com/kl-6504-thx-in-wall-speaker
ceiling - http://www.klipsch.com/CDT-5800-C-II (for rear / surround and zones 2/3)
sub - http://www.klipsch.com/rw-5802-in-wall-subwoofer

I'm planning on doing 7.1, and doubling up for the sub to use all 9 channels on one of the amps, and using 8 of the 9 channels on the other amp for the 8 speakers in the other two zones. I am space limited in terms of what I can use for surrounds and rear - I don't have walls for both sides or the back, so I intend to use the ceiling speakers. Any thoughts on whether or not this is a good idea? I intend to primarily use the setup for watching blu-rays (and ripped br/dvd media) and obviously the other zones are just for listening to music / radio.

Thanks!
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