Klipsch owner thread - Page 699

Not for extended periods of time... I just like to come home from work and just blast some music to let off some steam...

If "0" on your pioneer is THX Reference level then...Wait--If you are listening to material at anywhere near "+5 to +15" and it's not running you out of the room then "0" can't be THX Reference level, but if you are clipping your speakers you need an amp beefier than the Emotiva xpa-5.

Guys How do the Icon kf-28 compare to the reference series of speakers are they comparable? has any heard the icon kf-28's??????????

no... they are no comparable.

The Icon series is considered entry-level and is sold through Best Buy exclusively. I heard the KF-28 there and wasn't impressed at all.

If you have a dealer in your area that carries the reference series, go and audition it. Also head over to Best Buy to audition the Icon series. I doubt you need to audition them side-by-side in order to tell the difference.

Yeah i heard the refernce series............I just have not heard the icon series............but thanks for the heads up

 

Another +1 on external amplification . . . I do not often listen at reference level, but I added an old Phase Linear 400 amp from the 70's (after reworking the caps and lights, and looks cool with the old school meters) for my fronts (Klipschorns) . . . running a Denon 4311.  After adding the external amp, I hear things from the Khorns I never heard before . . . lots of separation in instruments while listening to music and greater clarity even at lower volumes--that is headroom.  Headroom is the advantage of an external amp, depending on the speakers you are driving.  If they are low end speakers, you cannot get out of them what is not there . . . but the OP has RF7s . . . hard to think such beasts would not benefit from an external amp if someone is looking to hear the subtleties of music, IMO.

I've also added a Parasound A52 to my Reference setup and couldnt be happier !

What was it about the Denon AVR-4311ci that couldn't drive your Klipschorns efficiently?

Fwiw, I can see how the RF-7s (with their jagged response curve that dips below 3 ohms in certain frequencies) benefiting from an external amp, but your speakers are efficient top to bottom, are 8 Ohm rated, and don't have taxing impedance dips.
Edited by Zen Traveler - 1/13/13 at 10:08am

Hmm. Not my definition of headroom... Headroom is the reverses left before clipping or reaching the maximum of the speakers.

headroom, could be define as power in reserve for that crackle, glass break, explosion of some type. Even the ROAR of a animal alien thing that is really pissed. Others can explain it better; but the reason you hear more is that there is more muscle to move/project the sound. visually its like spreading butter, more butter spread over your toast will taste better than that pat in the middle. I have a EMOTIVA XPA-5, an loving it.It WOKE UP the front stage. RC62, RF82's, an RB81's for heights. I have a WALL of sound and dynamics that still amazes me;JUDGE DREDD: Ohh the surrounds have 150w x4......
Edited by ILOVEMYHDTV - 1/13/13 at 12:02pm

All of the amps you mention should work fine imo. For me, the emo was within my budget for a "new" amp and having only a pre/pro I obviously have to have an external amp. One factor that pushed me was the 30 day return policy. I would have only had to pay return shipping if I was not satisfied. I'm not familiar with the capabilities of your Denon AVR but as others have stated, listening levels, number of channel's driven, etc,, all weigh in on really "needing" external amplification.

That's it! Why don't you add something decent

That's the narrow view of headroom
the headroom that being described by a few of us is the added dynamics of headroom that is there in the middle volumes ,Not the top end of the volume range . Much as ILOVEMYHD describes so well in the above thread
adding power amps has allowed me to set speakers at their rolloff point instead of a 80 cross over point , that make the woofs sing as they were designed to do .

Hey everyone,

I recently installed a new set of Quintets and connected them to an Onkyo NR515. Running the auto calibration microphone resulted the crossover point for each speaker being set at 100 hz, which is 10 and 20 hz below what the speakers are rated for. I didn't realize this until I was looking through the speaker specifications and then digging into my AVR's menus and manually setting speaker distances and the like (the auto calibrations were waaaay off for my 10'x15' room). Now it sounds like there's a slightly blown channel: playing Max Payne 3, some of the cutscene voice over has a little crackle to it but nothing of Max talking outside of a cutscene. On some other material, with male voices (nothing high pitched at all) there is a bit of crackle that's barely audible but I can hear it. Is this irreversible damage or just an incorrect setting in my receiver? I'm using 16 gauge RCA speaker cable.

I bought the speakers around July last year and they're still under the five year warranty. What is Klipsch's warranty claim process like? Will my center be covered?
Edited by brightdarkness - 1/13/13 at 1:24pm

Maybe so, but the Klipschorn is a totally horn loaded speaker and shouldn't require as much to hit those lower notes.

They should cover it but try a few different source materials to make sure it's the speaker and not the source....Insofar as your settings are concerned, I can't imagine that being the culprit.

i would suggest swapping speakers; an test it out.if it continues then it the AVR. if not then no warranty try craig or evay....an YES when i used room correction it did the same, but i set the cut off to manufacturer specs.

How loud had you been playing the Quintet? I can't imagine a 'slightly off' crossover point in the AVR could have blown a speaker. Usually clipping of a program source by an over driven amp, or sending too much power to a speaker could damage it.

Hey all, I have a pair of RF3 II's that have had the speaker covers/grill covers whatever they are called, taken some abuse. These are the ones before they started making them magnetic. So they have these dump plastic things that your shove into the rubber holes on the front of the speaker to hold them in place.

Is the only place I can get replacements for these through Klipsch? I called them and they cost more than the speakers are worth now.
I don't have to have the brand name but I doubt anyone makes any replacements besides Klipsch themselves...so am I really going to have to fork out what they are asking for these?

The first night I had everything up and running I wasn't sure what the settings on the AVR were and had the volume up to 70 (out of 78) on Theater Dimension, which I now know simulates full surround out of the fronts. For standard listening/watching I have it between 50 to 55.

LoL What ? This is verging on the head-fi "No double blind test" forum where the wacko audiophiles post.

Headroom is power in reserve or indirectly the volume in reserve that an amp/speaker combo have. Simple as that. If you're running your speakers so that absolute peaks are not clipping, and the speakers are not distorting from reaching max excursion or overheating, then you have headroom.

If your amp's reserves arent tapped dry and causing clipping, adding an external amp and asking it to push out the SAME WATTS as your normal amp aren't going to "put extra butter on your toast". An external amp doesn't give you a cleaner signal unless the original amp is causing distortion at those levels.

At low volumes, it's all in your head, the fact that the external amp has more reserves for loud peaks doesn't matter if they never get used.

To spread this quasi-scientific illogical reasoning is going to cause people to go out and spend a lot of money for things that will not make a difference when they could be adding extra subwoofers or acoustic treatments or nicer chairs or something that really will make a difference.

Also, I'm sorry to come down on your post, I don't wish to offend you on a personal level, I just think your opinion on your upgrades are skewed based on some misunderstanding of electrical components as well as a good chunk of money spent on something that gets a lot of over inflated reviews.

I saw on the Klipsch Forum someone mentioning that you could purchase some commercial strength glue and reattach the pegs where they are broken and if they are missing you could glue on some dowels that could fit into the holes.

EDIT: Here is a search on the Klipsch Forum with the word "peg" and there are several ideas: http://community.klipsch.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=pegs&o=Relevance
Edited by Zen Traveler - 1/13/13 at 6:26pm

Well, they are also just in bad shape on the cloth as well, dog peed on them etc...so I'm wanting to just replace them if I can, but the magnet rework might be what I try next.

Darn Dog Pee will do it every time..

Cat piss is Way worse as piss goes that is Way worse

Someone in this Klipsch thread mentioned magnets from Parts Express:
http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/115009/1159007.aspx#1159007

Which I found the magnets here:
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/magnets/500

But these seem too strong for this kind of use? I don't want them to not be able to be removed, the normal ones are easy to remove, not hard.

Velcro tabs/strips may be an alternative in lieu of magnets.

You got that right cat pee phew....

True. Not a bad idea either. I like the challenge of maybe the magnet engineering method, might try it first. Then if all else fails, move to velcro.