Klipsch owner thread - Page 700

Originally Posted by wizard8873 

odd, should be better then. is there any way you can move the center out or above the TV to test the sound and see if it changes? Also, any chance of hooking one of the other speakers to act as the center to see how it will sound in its place? I know this is only a temporary thing but maybe the center channel was damaged during the move.

Originally Posted by Fastslappy 

that argument you state comes from a mis-informed fact that power amps just add power at the higher end .
what I'm referring to is about the added dynamics a good audio power amp provides is the fact that they have large capacitors that provide high instantaneous current capability, which the AVR's can't provide as they don't any where near the capacitance levels the power amps have . Ever looked inside a Emotiva power amp the capacitors are the size of Pepsi soda cans .

Originally Posted by psgcdn 

Yeah, but those reserves are only needed to exceed normal capacity. Running below 1 Watt shouldn't require them at all.

But what you want are personal experience, not a science base, so here goes. I have swaped AVRs and external amps on my Klipschorns and have noticed no changes at medium volume.

Originally Posted by psgcdn 

Yeah, but those reserves are only needed to exceed normal capacity. Running below 1 Watt shouldn't require them at all.

But what you want are personal experience, not a science base, so here goes. I have swaped AVRs and external amps on my Klipschorns and have noticed no changes at medium volume.

Originally Posted by Zen Traveler 

With speakers that don't have large impedance swings that dip (much) lower than 4 Ohms, the Science backs up what you experienced--folks that have similar speakers who post otherwise, like having an external amp and there is nothing science or any of us are going to say that will change their mind.

Insofar as Fast's speakers are concerned, they have been modified so I don't know if they dip below 4 Ohms...

Originally Posted by Kalani 

I'll give swapping the speakers a shot just to see, but I don't recall anything unusual during sine wave sweeps going to each channel.

I could move the speaker out of the cabinet, but it will really mess with the flow of the design and make my wife upset. The whole point to the Standout Designs cabinet setup is the nice way the center channel fits into that shelf (she shelf is ported to the rear, btw).

My wife will be out of town for a several days coming up, so I'll have a bit more freedom than usual to play with settings soon.

Originally Posted by Fastslappy 


the guys like me who notice this degradation of SQ on flagship AVR's are all running 7 & 9 channels @ their speaker lower end roll off points .

Originally Posted by Zen Traveler 

You and I had this discussion several years ago and I learned the flagship Onkyo is not the same as an upper-end Denon...That said, regardless of the speakers roll off point, if the impedance doesn't dip below 4 ohms at those frequencies and the AVR is equipped/rated to drive all channels within that specification adding external amps does not improve SQ...If you notice a difference then your speakers are dipping below 4 Ohms at those roll off points--Otoh, K-Horns, LaScalas and even Cornwalls wouldn't benefit from external amplification with an upper-end AVR regardless how many speakers they are driving unless it's in a huge room.

Originally Posted by jonathanc 

In the summertime I more than doubled my available wattage with an amp upgrade. My speakers are the RF-3 line which I find are a little bit more harsh and revealing than the newer 82's.

My normal listening volume is usually no louder than -10db from reference. Currently I have no acoustic treatments and no subwoofer (sending full range to the fronts)

Before and after I heard no difference whatsoever in regards to clarity or "dynamics" (is it just me or do people just lazily use this word when they have no technical way to describe what they're hearing?)

My setup would probably show off the biggest difference between an integrated amp and a separate amp. Bright speakers, no subwoofer and no acoustic treatments.

At my listening levels I noticed no difference whatsoever.

There was a difference between MCACC and Audyssey XT32 in the lower frequencies due to better EQ, but clarity etc, no difference. I can even say I might prefer the pioneer sound with the brighter upper frequencies to the rolled off Audyssey EQ curve.

Now, if I was running the pioneer loud all channels driven, I could probably hear or maybe measure distortion using REW that might not exist with the more stout amp.

Originally Posted by Fastslappy 

how many speaker are you running at a time ?

Originally Posted by brightdarkness 

I'm going to call Klipsch and file a warranty claim on my crispy Quintet center. Are there any phrases or descriptions to either use OR avoid when going through the process? I don't want to get shut down based on a slip of the tongue.

Originally Posted by brightdarkness 

I'm going to call Klipsch and file a warranty claim on my crispy Quintet center. Are there any phrases or descriptions to either use OR avoid when going through the process? I don't want to get shut down based on a slip of the tongue.

Originally Posted by Zen Traveler 


What was it about the Denon AVR-4311ci that couldn't drive your Klipschorns efficiently?

Fwiw, I can see how the RF-7s (with their jagged response curve that dips below 3 ohms in certain frequencies) benefiting from an external amp, but your speakers are efficient top to bottom, are 8 Ohm rated, and don't have taxing impedance dips.

Originally Posted by Rhetor 

I run Khorn fronts, Belle center, Belle surrounds, and La Scalla rears, with KG4 wides and heights . . . with a sub with three internal each amplified woofers in a sub.

Originally Posted by Rhetor 

I run Khorn fronts, Belle center, Belle surrounds, and La Scalla rears, with KG4 wides and heights . . . with a sub with three internal each amplified woofers in a sub.

Originally Posted by Rhetor 

I run Khorn fronts, Belle center, Belle surrounds, and La Scalla rears, with KG4 wides and heights . . . with a sub with three internal each amplified woofers in a sub.

...No sense wasting an amp if I cannot hear a difference . . . but I do with great joy!

Originally Posted by matthew2323 

Ok. I posted a few pages back about my set up. Long story short, I had the Quitent 5.0s but wanted to upgrade the fronts. I bought a pair of Synergy 5.25" bookshelf speakers and replaced the two front Quintets with the Synergys. I still have the Quintet rears and center as well as a Synergy 10" sub (200 watt).

Overall, I do not think I am too impressed with the Synergys over the Quintets. Yes, a bit fuller, but for the price I am not sure it was worth it. I can return the Synergys to Amazon no problem.

I am considering upgrading to the RB-51 II Reference bookshelf speakers and building my system for the long(er) term around those. I can get the RB-51 IIs for $417 ( about $120 more to replace the Synergys). But, throughout all of this I now know I will need to get a larger center. I am thinking about the matching RC-52 II Reference center for $369 but for now, cannot afford both the bookshelf speakers and the center. I will keep the Quintet rears for now but eventually hope to upgrade those as well too, just not yet. I am happy with my sub.

Any advise on what to get first? Would the RC-52 II Reference center be too much to run with the 4 quintets (fronts, rears)? Any idea on the best way to do this?

TIA!

Originally Posted by Rhetor 

I run Khorn fronts, Belle center, Belle surrounds, and La Scalla rears, with KG4 wides and heights . . . with 3 8" driven woofers in the sub.

Originally Posted by Rhetor 

I run Khorn fronts, Belle center, Belle surrounds, and La Scalla rears, with KG4 wides and heights . . . with a sub with three internal each amplified woofers in a sub.

Adding the Phase Linear 400 opened up my front soundstage to hear instrument separation I never before heard.  There is more than one way to define headroom . . . especially since I am running a Heritage 11.1 (with 3 8" driven woofers in the sub), result of the eternal amp was to open up the soundstage, binging the woofers in the Khorns to life, and instrument separation and greater clarity and nuances of sound on the frontstage.  Real simple, adding the eternal amp on the 4311 in a Heritage 11.1 HT setup made a significantly higher audio quality experience.  No sense wasting an amp if I cannot hear a difference . . . but I do with great joy!

Originally Posted by Fastslappy 

You say your center in on a shelf ? by any chance is the speaker about 2 inches or more back from the edge of the shelf ? you will experiace huge differences from having back from the edge & at the edge . If the speaker is as I describe try moving the speaker so it hangs off the shelf's edge by 2"
when I was running both a RC-62 & RC-64 there was a extreme difference by just bringing the speakers outta the consuls shelves off the edge by a mere 2 to 3 inches . rerun your room correction software after you move the speaker
a speaker placed back behind the shelf edge in a entertainment center shelf actually changes the design of the speaker & makes it less efficient .

Originally Posted by Zen Traveler 

Tell them you are a regular poster on AVS Forum. Fwiw, I am one of the few people that had problems with customer service and they still satisfied my complaint.