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post #21001 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I suggest anyone who is considering an amp, level match it to the AVR at the volume you want to listen and see if you can tell a difference...Fwiw, I asked a couple of years ago how many people who had amps had done this and got no positive replies which surprised me. If your speakers aren't clipping, that really is the only way to tell if you need one.

I finally experienced my RF-7II's clipping last weekend when I demoed for a fellow AVSer...

My AVR is the Pio Elite SC-57
Fronts set to Large
Playing the street crossfire scene from Cloverfield

Watched the same scene, but crossed the mains over at 80hz and no more clipping. I need to man up and get an omnimic already to post measurements. However, we were confident that we were well above reference volumes in my humble 1,500ft^3 space.

I'm going to give external amplification a shot just for the hell of it. If I can get an extra 3db of headroom, I'll be satisfied.

Question for you guys. When the CD reaches it's limit, does it give any kind of warning, or is it just going to blow?
post #21002 of 35198
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I finally experienced my RF-7II's clipping last weekend when I demoed for a fellow AVSer...

My AVR is the Pio Elite SC-57
Fronts set to Large
Playing the street crossfire scene from Cloverfield

Watched the same scene, but crossed the mains over at 80hz and no more clipping. I need to man up and get an omnimic already to post measurements. However, we were confident that we were well above reference volumes in my humble 1,500ft^3 space.

I'm going to give external amplification a shot just for the hell of it. If I can get an extra 3db of headroom, I'll be satisfied.

Question for you guys. When the CD reaches it's limit, does it give any kind of warning, or is it just going to blow?

I don't have any answers regarding the CD, but man Cloverfield is tough on HT gear. I'm not sure I (or my system) could handle that scene above reference level. You are a brave soul... biggrin.gif
post #21003 of 35198
Little off topic, but boy have my tastes changed. I can't watch scenes like that at reference any longer. I do if giving a demo in the room to someone looking to see what's under the hood, but otherwise, I get a headache after ten minutes or so.
post #21004 of 35198
Do any of you have RB's as surrounds and are they too much speaker for surrounds? I need surrounds to finish up my Klipsch System (RF82's II, RC-62 II, RW12D) but I don't want to spend soo much on surrounds if they aren't really going to see a lot of action.
post #21005 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Ruben Z View Post

Do any of you have RB's as surrounds and are they too much speaker for surrounds? I need surrounds to finish up my Klipsch System (RF82's II, RC-62 II, RW12D) but I don't want to spend soo much on surrounds if they aren't really going to see a lot of action.

If you are not using the RS surrounds, then the RB's are the only other matching choice (not counting towers). Years ago I used the RB35's for surrounds and they were fine.
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post #21006 of 35198
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I finally experienced my RF-7II's clipping last weekend when I demoed for a fellow AVSer...

My AVR is the Pio Elite SC-57
Fronts set to Large
Playing the street crossfire scene from Cloverfield

Watched the same scene, but crossed the mains over at 80hz and no more clipping. I need to man up and get an omnimic already to post measurements. However, we were confident that we were well above reference volumes in my humble 1,500ft^3 space.

Hey popalock, we have similar size rooms and I run a" 7.2" system and cross my RF-7s at 60 Hz because there is no they can hit those lower notes as effortlessly as my RSW-12/15 subs--You may want to consider another sub even if it's not in the most prime location. That said, THX Reference level on my Denon AVR 4806 is "0" and I play most things at around -15 to -18, with action movies sometimes as high as -12...Insofar as Reference level is concerned, even the experts (Chris @ Audyssey) says most people listen 10 to 15 dB lower than this.
post #21007 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Ruben Z View Post

Do any of you have RB's as surrounds and are they too much speaker for surrounds? I need surrounds to finish up my Klipsch System (RF82's II, RC-62 II, RW12D) but I don't want to spend soo much on surrounds if they aren't really going to see a lot of action.

I used to have the RS-7s as surrounds but found I preferred converting 5.1 to 7.1 and using direct radiating RF-3s as side surrounds and RB-75s in the rear. YMMV.
post #21008 of 35198
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Little off topic, but boy have my tastes changed. I can't watch scenes like that at reference any longer. I do if giving a demo in the room to someone looking to see what's under the hood, but otherwise, I get a headache after ten minutes or so.

C'mon Tony! Your comment about literally making a guy puke after he demo'd your setup was one of my sources of inspitation for my current sub overhaul...

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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

Hey popalock, we have similar size rooms and I run a" 7.2" system and cross my RF-7s at 60 Hz because there is no they can hit those lower notes as effortlessly as my RSW-12/15 subs--You may want to consider another sub even if it's not in the most prime location. That said, THX Reference level on my Denon AVR 4806 is "0" and I play most things at around -15 to -18, with action movies sometimes as high as -12...Insofar as Reference level is concerned, even the experts (Chris @ Audyssey) says most people listen 10 to 15 dB lower than this.

I currently have 2 LMS-U's powered by one of those LG Clone amps...~4,400 watts per sub.

Not sure if you can tell in my avatar, but in the background of the photo are the 20 18's subs I bought a few weeks back... I'll be pushing at least 16 subs here once I finish my box builds.

Covered in the sub department.

Just need an external amp to give my RF-7's as much headroom as I can get, so they will have less of a problem hanging with my low-end capability...

When I did the demo for my friend, I had them set to large bacause I don't normally crank it hat loud...
post #21009 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Ruben Z View Post

Do any of you have RB's as surrounds and are they too much speaker for surrounds? I need surrounds to finish up my Klipsch System (RF82's II, RC-62 II, RW12D) but I don't want to spend soo much on surrounds if they aren't really going to see a lot of action.

For the smaller setup, I have RC-35 as center and 4 RB-25's acting as FLR and SLR and they work just fine. I have RS-51's for my main and they sounded great when I had them in the previous set up but never replaced them with RB's. I did have an older Klipsch Promedia 5.1 Ultra which used RB type speakers as surrounds and they worked just fine. RS speakers would be better for surround as they disperse the sound more but if you're staying in one sitting then the RB's will be just fine.
post #21010 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Ruben Z View Post

Do any of you have RB's as surrounds and are they too much speaker for surrounds? I need surrounds to finish up my Klipsch System (RF82's II, RC-62 II, RW12D) but I don't want to spend soo much on surrounds if they aren't really going to see a lot of action.
hi all. i use the older versions of RB-81's for front heights an side surrounds and a pair of RB-61's II for back surround. they work verry very good for me. an not illogical to use such large speakers for surrounds because it's not,
post #21011 of 35198
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Originally Posted by ILOVEMYHDTV View Post

hi all. i use the older versions of RB-81's for front heights an side surrounds and a pair of RB-61's II for back surround. they work verry very good for me. an not illogical to use such large speakers for surrounds because it's not,
my surrounds are the same speaker as my mains are & I tell Ya on some movies the impact is huge , as some of the newer action flix use the surrounds as much as the mains thru out the movie wink.gif
in some scenes I get dialog from the surrounds only
post #21012 of 35198
good to know guys. thanks.
post #21013 of 35198
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

C'mon Tony! Your comment about literally making a guy puke after he demo'd your setup was one of my sources of inspitation for my current ..

I know, I know... It was almost like turning a switch that my tastes have changed. Weird.
post #21014 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

my surrounds are the same speaker as my mains are & I tell Ya on some movies the impact is huge , as some of the newer action flix use the surrounds as much as the mains thru out the movie wink.gif
in some scenes I get dialog from the surrounds only

I agree with this. I have some blu-rays where the surrounds are active for 90% of the movie. I think the days of using crappy leftover speakers for surrounds are (or at least should be) over.
post #21015 of 35198
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

I agree with this. I have some blu-rays where the surrounds are active for 90% of the movie. I think the days of using crappy leftover speakers for surrounds are (or at least should be) over.

Fwiw anyone saying that surround speakers don't matter have "crappy' speakers in that position.
post #21016 of 35198
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

I know, I know... It was almost like turning a switch that my tastes have changed. Weird.
If you find yourself yelling at people to get off your lawn any time soon ,

seek help !

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JKing smile.gif
post #21017 of 35198
Hello all, major Klipsch fan for years here.

Just upgraded to a 7.1 setup

Fronts RF-3
Center- RC 42-II
Surrounds- RS-41 II
Surround backs- RF-3
Sub- ksw-12

Had the front RF-3's for about 11 years now and love them. Was given a second pair for christmas(pair my dad bought for himself cause he like mine so much, but he doesn't use them anymore), and decided to go all out and added the center and RS surrounds to replace some Sony's. Am I correct for using the RS as surrounds and RF's as surround backs? So far blu rays sound incredible, but I had to turn up the level or the side surrounds as the power of the RF's in the back was kinda drowning them out.

My main reason for posting, I had an old yamaha 5.1 avr that I thought the sound was amazing on with klipsch but no hdmi, had to upgrade to a 7.1 but do to low funds after the speakers and having a $100 gift card to walmart, I went with a Sony STRDH520 7.1.

I know sony is not a recommended brand, but will this get the job done, or am I totally gimping my speakers? My speakers don't sound as alive as with the yamaha for music... but so far blur rays/video games sound pretty good. I have 2 months to return the sony and was wondering if it would be worth it to upgrade considering my setup(I mainly use for blu rays and video games and can't really crank the volume too high as I live in an apartment right now but have had no complaints so far haha, sound is pretty isolated). If so what would be a good AVR for my setup for under $500 or so.... like I said I loved the Yamaha sound so I have been looking at their 7.1 models like the RX-V671 and RX-V573... just not sure if it will be that big of a difference and worth the extra $2-300

Any help/thoughts would be much appreciated! Thanks!
post #21018 of 35198
Hello all Klipsch owners....

I will be purchasing the following items and had a couple questions:

RF-82 ii (Fronts)
RF-62 ii (Center)
RS-52 ii (Surrounds)

For now I will have to have the surrounds on stands because of my room configuration. Does anyone have recommendations for a good stand for these speakers (RS-52 ii)? Also I will be purchasing over the phone so I can get a better deal on the above package. Has anyone purchased this many and expensive speakers over the phone? How did it go? And who did you buy from? Anyone with experience with over the phone sales with World Wide Stereo and Acoustic Sound Design?

Thanks Again for any input and help on this!

TVMan1414
post #21019 of 35198
I've dealt with Worldwide stereo sales rep Ira. Purchased a $2000 dollar Denon A100, 2 pairs of Klipsch Mode M40 headphones, G17 AirPlay speaker Klipsch and 2 pairs of Klipsch Image X10i in ear headphones. Everything shipped perfectly and promptly.
post #21020 of 35198
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Originally Posted by donniek View Post

Hello all, major Klipsch fan for years here.

Just upgraded to a 7.1 setup

Fronts RF-3
Center- RC 42-II
Surrounds- RS-41 II
Surround backs- RF-3
Sub- ksw-12

Had the front RF-3's for about 11 years now and love them. Was given a second pair for christmas(pair my dad bought for himself cause he like mine so much, but he doesn't use them anymore), and decided to go all out and added the center and RS surrounds to replace some Sony's. Am I correct for using the RS as surrounds and RF's as surround backs? So far blu rays sound incredible, but I had to turn up the level or the side surrounds as the power of the RF's in the back was kinda drowning them out.

My main reason for posting, I had an old yamaha 5.1 avr that I thought the sound was amazing on with klipsch but no hdmi, had to upgrade to a 7.1 but do to low funds after the speakers and having a $100 gift card to walmart, I went with a Sony STRDH520 7.1.

I know sony is not a recommended brand, but will this get the job done, or am I totally gimping my speakers? My speakers don't sound as alive as with the yamaha for music... but so far blur rays/video games sound pretty good. I have 2 months to return the sony and was wondering if it would be worth it to upgrade considering my setup(I mainly use for blu rays and video games and can't really crank the volume too high as I live in an apartment right now but have had no complaints so far haha, sound is pretty isolated). If so what would be a good AVR for my setup for under $500 or so.... like I said I loved the Yamaha sound so I have been looking at their 7.1 models like the RX-V671 and RX-V573... just not sure if it will be that big of a difference and worth the extra $2-300

Any help/thoughts would be much appreciated! Thanks!
swap the rs41 to the backs those RF-3 are WAY more powerful & there's more signal going to the surround channels ,in modern movies the surrounds get about the same signal/content volume % as your mains eek.gif do look back a few post & you will see we were just discussing that , those RF-3 are great speakers & to have 4 of them is a helluva Home Theater . The RC41 is not gonna be able to be keeping up with RF3's you will find , if you seem to have problems with voices in whispers that is why . That Sony is not gonna push the 7 speakers the way you like , if you can return & spend the extra just look for the highest watts per channel you can afford
post #21021 of 35198
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Hello all Klipsch owners....

I will be purchasing the following items and had a couple questions:

RF-82 ii (Fronts)
RF-62 ii (Center)
RS-52 ii (Surrounds)

For now I will have to have the surrounds on stands because of my room configuration. Does anyone have recommendations for a good stand for these speakers (RS-52 ii)? Also I will be purchasing over the phone so I can get a better deal on the above package. Has anyone purchased this many and expensive speakers over the phone? How did it go? And who did you buy from? Anyone with experience with over the phone sales with World Wide Stereo and Acoustic Sound Design?

Thanks Again for any input and help on this!

TVMan1414

I would consider going for 3 RF-82's up front instead of the smaller center channel. The center is arguably the most important speaker for movies and having matching speakers across the front will provide the most transparent sound stage. I am in the process of replacing all 5 of my front speakers (include front wides) all with RB-81's.

The way the RS surround speakers are designed they work very well with simply putting a screw into a stud or other type of anchor and hanging from that. If your space requires a stand, I've found these to be some of the only decent stands that put the surrounds at an appropriate height.
post #21022 of 35198
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Hello all Klipsch owners....

I will be purchasing the following items and had a couple questions:

RF-82 ii (Fronts)
RF-62 ii (Center)
RS-52 ii (Surrounds)

For now I will have to have the surrounds on stands because of my room configuration. Does anyone have recommendations for a good stand for these speakers (RS-52 ii)? Also I will be purchasing over the phone so I can get a better deal on the above package. Has anyone purchased this many and expensive speakers over the phone? How did it go? And who did you buy from? Anyone with experience with over the phone sales with World Wide Stereo and Acoustic Sound Design?

Thanks Again for any input and help on this!

TVMan1414
the RS speakers are only for walls I M O look at RB62 as surrounds they work best on stands anyway big seaker with the 62's & about the same price the RS speakers are pricey . As we been discussing on thread the last 2 pages it's best to have the surrounds are good as the mains
post #21023 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

swap the rs41 to the backs those RF-3 are WAY more powerful & there's more signal going to the surround channels ,in modern movies the surrounds get about the same signal/content volume % as your mains eek.gif do look back a few post & you will see we were just discussing that , those RF-3 are great speakers & to have 4 of them is a helluva Home Theater . The RC41 is not gonna be able to be keeping up with RF3's you will find , if you seem to have problems with voices in whispers that is why . That Sony is not gonna push the 7 speakers the way you like , if you can return & spend the extra just look for the highest watts per channel you can afford

Thanks for the input! The reasoning I put the RF's in the back is the RS41 II's are Bi-polar(i think) and I read they are made to disperse sound and work better as side surround and directional speakers work best as back surrounds, also I usually run pro logic 11x as most blu rays have 5.1 sound so I think a lot of the sound still goes to the rears... but I guess the power of the RF-3's would trump this thinking? As for the RC42 II center, I turned up the level 5 db's and have had no problems in movies for it keeping up with the RF3's.
post #21024 of 35198
The RS speakers are Wide Dispersion Surround Tecnology (WDST) a Klipsch exclusive technology and they are best used for side surrounds.
post #21025 of 35198
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Originally Posted by donniek View Post

Thanks for the input! The reasoning I put the RF's in the back is the RS41 II's are Bi-polar(i think) and I read they are made to disperse sound and work better as side surround and directional speakers work best as back surrounds, also I usually run pro logic 11x as most blu rays have 5.1 sound so I think a lot of the sound still goes to the rears... but I guess the power of the RF-3's would trump this thinking? As for the RC42 II center, I turned up the level 5 db's and have had no problems in movies for it keeping up with the RF3's.
the RS41 still will not be powerful enuff no way no how to keep up with RF's & have the RF-3 as a back speaker is a waste
post #21026 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

the RS41 still will not be powerful enuff no way no how to keep up with RF's & have the RF-3 as a back speaker is a waste

I agree that he should switch his RF-3s for side surrounds, but if level matched the RS-41s would work as rear speakers.
post #21027 of 35198
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Originally Posted by donniek View Post

... I turned up the level 5 db's and have had no problems in movies for it keeping up with the RF3's.

+1
post #21028 of 35198
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

the RS41 still will not be powerful enuff no way no how to keep up with RF's & have the RF-3 as a back speaker is a waste

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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I agree that he should switch his RF-3s for side surrounds, but if level matched the RS-41s would work as rear speakers.

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Originally Posted by RickD1225 View Post

The RS speakers are Wide Dispersion Surround Tecnology (WDST) a Klipsch exclusive technology and they are best used for side surrounds.

Hmm so you think I should put the RSs as rears even though they use the wide dispersion? Wouldn't that be a wast of the sound field they create? Just boost the level up? I did originally have them as the rears, but after doing some reading as to how they are supposed to be used, and not even really being able to tell they were there, I switch them to the sides, and I must say the sound field is nice... but I really don't want the RF3s to go to waste,and the the fact that rear speakers should be directional from everything I've read ... wish I would have researched more and ordered some RB's before I pulled the trigger on the RS's
post #21029 of 35198
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Originally Posted by donniek View Post



Hmm so you think I should put the RSs as rears even though they use the wide dispersion? Wouldn't that be a wast of the sound field they create? Just boost the level up? I did originally have them as the rears, but after doing some reading as to how they are supposed to be used, and not even really being able to tell they were there, I switch them to the sides, and I must say the sound field is nice... but I really don't want the RF3s to go to waste,and the the fact that rear speakers should be directional from everything I've read ... wish I would have researched more and ordered some RB's before I pulled the trigger on the RS's
put the RF-3 as surrounds run a new action flix & you'll see/hear what I mean cool.gif
post #21030 of 35198
Need help choosing a pair of bookshelf speakers to go with older line of Klipsh speakers. My brother gave me his 7 year old 3.1 setup which consist of two RF15, RC25 center, & RW10 sub. This is actually a log term loaner system due to my brother movie into an apartment after getting divorced. I will update/replace these down the road so the Bookshelf speakers need to be future proof. I really don't have room for floor speakers so for now the RF15's are being used as rears. Eventually I will replace with bookshelf but for now I need fronts to go with what I have. These are hooked to the cheap Onkyo receiver that came with the HTIB I just bought from newegg. The receiver will be updated in a few months.

Here are specs:
http://www.klipsch.com/rc-25-center-speaker

http://www.klipsch.com/rf-15-floorstanding-speaker

http://www.klipsch.com/rw-10-subwoofer

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882120200

Room is in the basement. 20ft x 12ft, with a 42" LCD sitting on a computer desk on front wall. There is steps and doors on each side of desk so I have no room for floor towers (my tower PC sits next to desk on step side taking up the only room left on wall). Rear speakers are on back wall next to Bed. The sub in next to couch along partial left wall. Sub is actually at edge of wall where it opens up to a bar area. I usually sit along right side of wall where recliner is. I plan on setting listening position dead center though because I sometimes lay in bed watching TV or there is 1-2 other people which sit in various positions.

I hope I listed enough detail for now. Oh!! 90% Movies with the rest being music and computer sound.

Thanks!!
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