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post #21181 of 22382
2/5/13 at 3:07pm
So Alan, didn't like my suggestion for an Academy?
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post #21182 of 22382
2/5/13 at 3:16pm
I wasn't familiar with the Academy until I just now googled it. It looks to have the same vertically oriented tweeter as in my KV-4 with probably the same horizontal dispersion limitations, no? Would the Academy be any better than a Heresy (there's a pair right now on my local C-List for $300)?

I'm kinda wanting to try the new tech though, and that 64II on ebay is real tempting!
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post #21183 of 22382
2/5/13 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Alan, a LaScala would not have to be any more expensive.....but I can't do much about the size or appearance! smile.gif

For a while, I used a KL650 between the LaScalas and it wasn't bad.

That looks like a great candidate to replace my aging Polk surround speakers! A bit expensive though - even used, would be over/around $2K to replace all 4 surrounds. Do-able, but probably not soon.

Would you recommend the 650 over one of the newer centers (62II/64II)?
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post #21184 of 22382
2/5/13 at 4:07pm
I haven't heard the new 64II, but the 650 is definitely more speaker than the 62II.

I have a friend with an Academy between Khorns, and it does a fine job, probably your best option if you can't go larger Heritage.
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post #21185 of 22382
2/5/13 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

I wasn't familiar with the Academy until I just now googled it. It looks to have the same vertically oriented tweeter as in my KV-4 with probably the same horizontal dispersion limitations, no? Would the Academy be any better than a Heresy (there's a pair right now on my local C-List for $300)?

I'm kinda wanting to try the new tech though, and that 64II on ebay is real tempting!

The Heresy would be better, but higher.

Consensus is that you are better off NOT matching Heritage with Reference, but I have never tried. I am using a La Scala as center but have used a Heresy in the past.
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post #21186 of 22382
2/5/13 at 7:36pm
Hmmm...I don't see how the Academy would be any better than the KV-4 I currently use, unless I'm missing something. In fact, going by specs, the KV-4 seems to be the winner - bigger tweeter, Tractrix horn and higher sensitivity:

Academy:
SPECIFICATIONS
BUILT FROM: 1992
BUILT UNTIL: 1994
DIMENSIONS: 23.25" (59.06cm) x 11" (27.94cm) x 10" (25.4cm)
ENCLOSURE MATERIAL: Medium density fiberboard construction (MDF)
ENCLOSURE TYPE: Sealed
FINISHES: Walnut Oil, Oak Oil, Oak Clear, Finished Black
FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 65Hz-20kHz(+-)3dB
HIGH FREQUENCY CROSSOVER: 2,200 Hz
HIGH FREQUENCY HORN: 90(o)x40(o) Exponential Horn
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms
POWER HANDLING: 100 watts maximum continuous
SENSITIVITY: 96dB @ 1watt/1meter
TWEETER: K-76-KV 1" (2.54cm) Polymer dome compression driver
WEIGHT: 33 lbs. (14.95kg)
WOOFER: Two K-1011-KV 8" (20.32cm) Poly cone


KV-4:
SPECIFICATIONS
BUILT FROM: 1996
BUILT UNTIL: 1997
DIMENSIONS: 10.5" (26.7cm) x 27.25" (69.2cm) x 9.25" (23.5cm)
ENCLOSURE MATERIAL: Medium density fiberboard construction (MDF)
ENCLOSURE TYPE: Sealed
FINISHES: Matte-finish Black vinyl
FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 65Hz-20kHz(+-)3dB
HIGH FREQUENCY HORN: 90(o)x60(o) Tractrix(r) Horn
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms
POWER HANDLING: 200 watts maximum continuous (800 watts peak)
SENSITIVITY: 99dB @ 1watt/1meter
TWEETER: K-64-KN 2" (5.08cm) Aluminum diaphragm compression driver
WEIGHT: 33 lbs. (15kg)
WOOFER: Two K-1035-KN 8" (20.32cm) Poly cones
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post #21187 of 22382
2/5/13 at 7:53pm
I am about to purchase the following:

2 x RF-82 ii
1 x RC-62 ii
2 x RS-52 ii

The price quoted was around $1,945 for all. Does that sound like a good deal? Also what type of speaker wire do I need? Banana plugs?

Thanks,

TVMan1414
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post #21188 of 22382
2/5/13 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

Well, I think I've decided to keep the K-Horns. Been getting lots of good advice here and it sounds like I would be doing myself a big disservice by losing them.

Would you consider the RC64 62 a decent match for the K-Horns? Keep in mind, I would love to go with a LaScala or similar for the center, but due to budget and WAF that just isn't going to happen.

Alan, I have a matched set of RF82s, RS52s, and RC62 aI am selling to a guy this weekend. Because aI got a hold of some K-horns . . . They are amazing.

The setup Io am selling has been great together, but the RC62 can in now way match to K-horns . . . That is why I am selling what has been a great package including the RC62. You need to sonically match your K-horns with a center and neither the RC64 or RC62 are a perfect match . . . An RC64 probably would keep up with K-horns, but never be a perfect sonic match to the beastly K-horns.

There are some perfect sonic match ups for them though. The Heresy was built as an original true center matching K-horns, but even better yet for a center between K-horns is a La Scala or a Belle . . . And you can set your tv on either one. Used, a La Scala or a Belle is cheaper than a RC64 new. Of course, a Lone Heresy is cheaper still. (Some even successfully have used a Cornwall for a center.)

Your problem not being impressed with the K-horns is one of three things:

1. Under utilizing the K-horns to step down in DBS so you can hear the KV4 center;

2. Not having true corners for the K-horns for imaging (need a true corner and seal the backs against the corner to trap the bass and for imaging); or

3, Most probably, you need to recap the crossovers (old capacitors wear out, and the new ones are just better made). If you have the old "tin can" capacitors on your crossovers, it is time for a change. New capacitors would open them up if the old ones have leaked or just lost their ability to function--new ones will bring it back to spec to properly function as originally designed.)

All of this is just IMHO.

PS....the RC62 has a vinyl covering; the RC64 is real wood veneer. And the RC64 is a beast that most Reference Klipsch owner would be ecstatic to have.
Edited by Rhetor - 2/5/13 at 8:19pm
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post #21189 of 22382
2/5/13 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

I am about to purchase the following:

2 x RF-82 ii
1 x RC-62 ii
2 x RS-52 ii

The price quoted was around $1,945 for all. Does that sound like a good deal? Also what type of speaker wire do I need? Banana plugs?

Thanks,

TVMan1414

If new, that is not bad . . . Used, well maybe just OK.

Best way to know is to look at the prices NIB on Amazon to compare. But, there is always a better deal somewhere if you look for a long time and are willing to shop around, and especially to buy gently used for from somebody upgrading.

That is a sonically matched setup that would please most people.
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post #21190 of 22382
2/5/13 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

I am about to purchase the following:

2 x RF-82 ii
1 x RC-62 ii
2 x RS-52 ii

The price quoted was around $1,945 for all. Does that sound like a good deal? Also what type of speaker wire do I need? Banana plugs?

Thanks,

TVMan1414

For normal runs on wire for those . . . 16 gauge should do nicely or 14 if you are concerned. 12 gauge will fit into few banana plugs . . . They poly cover on 12 gauge will not fit into most banana plugs. But 14 and 16 gauge will work. Some people get by nicely on 18 gauge, but I like to have every potential molecule make it. I was never disappointed by overkill.

Lots of opinions on wire . . . Please do not get this speaker thread off topic on speaker wire again! Ha! Ha!

PS....banana plugs are nice, but not necessary unless you are changing out speakers and speaker connections or av receivers a lot like some of us do. For years, did not use banana plugs . . . Found myself moving speakers and receive around a lot . . . A pain. Then got tired of that. Took time to put banana wires on the 11.3 ht . . . And since then never again have switched out a connection. Once you find the perfect setup, receiver and speakers . . . You do not need to change the connections. If you think you will not upgrade for years or swap any speakers or AVRs, then go without the pugs . . . But if you think you will ever upgrade . . . There you go . . . You decide.
Edited by Rhetor - 2/5/13 at 8:29pm
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post #21191 of 22382
2/5/13 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

The Heresy would be better, but higher.

Consensus is that you are better off NOT matching Heritage with Reference, but I have never tried. I am using a La Scala as center but have used a Heresy in the past.

I first tried an RC62 I had between my new-to-me K-horns. Did not work. I had too underpowered the K-horns to hear the RC62 well. And then, with my sensitive ear, I could hear how the sounds were unmatched.

The top of a split La Scala would also serve as a great center and have a smaller footprint than a full La Scala with is dog house/bass bin attached.

If your K-horns are used, try to find a La Scala or a Belle (or borrow a heresy). Heresy technically will work between ak-horns, but a Belle or La Scala center is a perfect match. Remember too, you probably want to match the veneer on your center with the veneer finish on your K-horns.

Just MHO,
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post #21192 of 22382
2/5/13 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Alan P View Post

Yeah, I'm gonna do my darndest to get them working in my room. New mic on the way for REW, acoustic panels in the works. Gonna experiment with some toe-in tonight, and if it works well I'll decouple the top-hats and rotate 'em to the best angle.

K-horns are not meant to be toed in . . . They are destined for a true corner . . . That is when they shine.

Those without true corners are best served to build a false wall for corner horns.
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post #21193 of 22382
2/6/13 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Alan, I have a matched set of RF82s, RS52s, and RC62 aI am selling to a guy this weekend. Because aI got a hold of some K-horns . . . They are amazing.

The setup Io am selling has been great together, but the RC62 can in now way match to K-horns . . . That is why I am selling what has been a great package including the RC62. You need to sonically match your K-horns with a center and neither the RC64 or RC62 are a perfect match . . . An RC64 probably would keep up with K-horns, but never be a perfect sonic match to the beastly K-horns.

There are some perfect sonic match ups for them though. The Heresy was built as an original true center matching K-horns, but even better yet for a center between K-horns is a La Scala or a Belle . . . And you can set your tv on either one. Used, a La Scala or a Belle is cheaper than a RC64 new. Of course, a Lone Heresy is cheaper still. (Some even successfully have used a Cornwall for a center.)

Your problem not being impressed with the K-horns is one of three things:

1. Under utilizing the K-horns to step down in DBS so you can hear the KV4 center; - all my speakers are level matched with a db meter

2. Not having true corners for the K-horns for imaging (need a true corner and seal the backs against the corner to trap the bass and for imaging); or - I have true corners, but one has a short wall to the left that is causing some issues I'm sure, but nothing I can do about it

3, Most probably, you need to recap the crossovers (old capacitors wear out, and the new ones are just better made). If you have the old "tin can" capacitors on your crossovers, it is time for a change. New capacitors would open them up if the old ones have leaked or just lost their ability to function--new ones will bring it back to spec to properly function as originally designed.) - Are there instructions anywhere on the web on how to do this?

All of this is just IMHO.

PS....the RC62 has a vinyl covering; the RC64 is real wood veneer. And the RC64 is a beast that most Reference Klipsch owner would be ecstatic to have.

Thanks for the advice, but a lot of this has already been covered. smile.gif

See some of my answers above in blue.

Not too sure about a Heresy or Cornwall - I've read that the match with K-Horns is not any better than an Academy or the KV-4 I currenty have, plus not very aesthetically pleasing, this is going in my living room.

The LaScala or Belle are a more attractive oprion - perfect match, like you say, but I can't put my TV on top of either (73" DLP). Splitting one and using just the bass bin under is still a bit on the high side for my TV me thinks. I could just use the top hat from either, but wouldn't I be sacrificing a lot of mid-bass (say, versus the RC64)?

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K-horns are not meant to be toed in . . . They are destined for a true corner . . . That is when they shine.
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I know that. biggrin.gif I was just experimenting with it to see if changing the angle of the tweeter/mid horn would change the imaging for me. If it did, I can decouple the top hats and spin them separately.

While messing around with that last night, I found that it did not really help much, if at all, with imaging at my MLP. However, I started messing a bit with the speaker distance settings in my AVR, and changing my FR speaker by 1 foot seemed to create a much better center image for me. Music was a bit more "holographic" and phantom center worked much better than before. This must have something to do with the realtion between my MLP, my room and the speakers. I realize you're not supposed to mess with the distance settings set by Audyssey, but I've read of others doing it as a last resort so thought I'd give it a shot and it seems to have worked for me.

Of course, this was late at night so I was unable to turn it up, but at lower levels it sounds really really good to my ears now. I'm a tweaker at heart though, so I'm sure I'm not done messing around with settings/placement/treatments by any stretch of the imagination. biggrin.gif
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post #21194 of 22382
2/6/13 at 8:14am
Well, I went ahead and ordered that RC64 from Ebay...will see how it works out next week!
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post #21195 of 22382
2/6/13 at 8:46am
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I am about to purchase the following:

2 x RF-82 ii
1 x RC-62 ii
2 x RS-52 ii

The price quoted was around $1,945 for all. Does that sound like a good deal? Also what type of speaker wire do I need? Banana plugs?

Thanks,

TVMan1414

A couple of suggestions if still shopping,

1) Call Mike at Acoustic Sound Design for a quote.
2) Give the fine folks here at AVS a shot.
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post #21196 of 22382
2/6/13 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by Tasdom View Post

A couple of suggestions if still shopping,

1) Call Mike at Acoustic Sound Design for a quote.


quoted for truth!

but 1950$ for A stock goods is a pretty good deal, as long as that is delivered price.

this guy is really good, and he is local to me so I can go pick the stuff up in person and it saves me money(BIG WAREHOUSE full of klipsch goods), but his prices seem a little more than your quote, but that is shipped and with a sub woofer. he is a rare online authorized dealer.
Edited by MSchu18 - 2/6/13 at 2:35pm
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post #21197 of 22382
2/6/13 at 4:05pm
+1. Mike hooked me up huge with my RC64II, brand new A stock very similar price you quoted.
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post #21198 of 22382
2/6/13 at 6:26pm
Just popping in here after purchasing my first Klipsch speakers.

I purchased a pair of RF 52 II towers and a RC 52 II center (I saved money by purchasing them open box, I can't afford MSRP) mated to a Yamaha RX-V473. The surrounds and sub are old Sony HTIB speakers and much less impressive (they will be replaced as funds allow). They're in my ~1000 ft^3 bedroom alongside a 32" Toshiba 1080P LCD (very inexpensive TV).

I just finished watching my first movie on them and am truly amazed. From the light rustling of leaves to the heavy impact of explosions and gun fire, the Klipschs handled them all without breaking a sweat. Even amidst the chaos of gun fights, every detail was preserved, down to the delicate "ping" of the spent brass striking the ground. I'm very happy with them and can't see myself ever going back to a cheap HTIB system like I had before.
Edited by Wattser93 - 2/6/13 at 7:20pm
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post #21199 of 22382
2/6/13 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by Wattser93 View Post

Just popping in here after purchasing my first Klipsch speakers.

I purchased a pair of RF 52 II towers and a RC 52 II center (I saved money by purchasing them open box, I can't afford MSRP) mated to a Yamaha RX-V473. The surrounds and sub are old Sony HTIB speakers and much less impressive (they will be replaced as funds allow). They're in my ~1000 ft^3 bedroom alongside a 32" Toshiba 1080P LCD (very inexpensive TV).

I just finished watching my first movie on them (Skyfall) and am truly amazed. From the light rustling of leaves to the heavy impact of explosions and gun fire, the Klipschs handled them all without breaking a sweat. Even amidst the chaos of gun fights, every detail was preserved, down to the delicate "ping" of the spent brass striking the ground. I'm very happy with them and can't see myself ever going back to a cheap HTIB system like I had before.

Glad you like your new Klipsch's! They are incredible speakers.
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post #21200 of 22382
2/6/13 at 8:10pm
I just ordered a pair of RB-61 II from Acoustic Sound Design on Ebay today. Already received tracking number. I am hoping it is a smooth transaction when all said and done. If things go well I plan on buying Center, surrounds and rear from them. Just can't afford it now. Currently going to use the RB-61 II with two Klipsch RF-15 and RC-25. These are on loan from my brother until I can peace the rest together over the next couple months.
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post #21201 of 22382
2/7/13 at 3:58pm
I just purchased the following:

RF-82 ii
RC-62 ii
RS-52 ii

For my home theater system. Now I am purchasing all the items needed to put together. One of those items is speaker wire. I have heard a lot recently about purchasing the Monster speaker cable instead of just basic 16ga copper speaker cable. Does anyone have any thoughts on the type of speaker wire? What do you think about this wire I found on Amazon (Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008VF8V/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1NVAZ7MG4FEQ79ZH4MC7&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846)?

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414
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post #21202 of 22382
2/7/13 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

I just purchased the following:

RF-82 ii
RC-62 ii
RS-52 ii

For my home theater system. Now I am purchasing all the items needed to put together. One of those items is speaker wire. I have heard a lot recently about purchasing the Monster speaker cable instead of just basic 16ga copper speaker cable. Does anyone have any thoughts on the type of speaker wire? What do you think about this wire I found on Amazon (Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008VF8V/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1NVAZ7MG4FEQ79ZH4MC7&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846)?

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414

There is nothing special about Monster speaker wire. You can get 12 gauge wire from Monoprice for less than the 16 gauge Monster. Blue Jeans Cable is another good option, although a bit more expensive than monoprice.
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post #21203 of 22382
2/7/13 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

I just purchased the following:

RF-82 ii
RC-62 ii
RS-52 ii

For my home theater system. Now I am purchasing all the items needed to put together. One of those items is speaker wire. I have heard a lot recently about purchasing the Monster speaker cable instead of just basic 16ga copper speaker cable. Does anyone have any thoughts on the type of speaker wire? What do you think about this wire I found on Amazon (Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008VF8V/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1NVAZ7MG4FEQ79ZH4MC7&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846)?

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414

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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

There is nothing special about Monster speaker wire. You can get 12 gauge wire from Monoprice for less than the 16 gauge Monster. Blue Jeans Cable is another good option, although a bit more expensive than monoprice.
Monster is over priced & the features they push are folly , get the 12 Ga Monoprice as it's oxygen free as much as the Monster is .
the best bet get the MonoPrice 12GA 100' roll it's fraction of the price over the Monster sells for a 50 foot roll . when laying out a HT set-up you will use a lot of wire & there is nothing worse than getting 2/3 of the way thru the set-up job & Then run outta wire . Been there done that smile.gif
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post #21204 of 22382
2/7/13 at 9:19pm
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Monster is over priced & the features they push are folly , get the 12 Ga Monoprice as it's oxygen free as much as the Monster is .
the best bet get the MonoPrice 12GA 100' roll it's fraction of the price over the Monster sells for a 50 foot roll . when laying out a HT set-up you will use a lot of wire & there is nothing worse than getting 2/3 of the way thru the set-up job & Then run outta wire . Been there done that smile.gif
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There is nothing special about Monster speaker wire. You can get 12 gauge wire from Monoprice for less than the 16 gauge Monster. Blue Jeans Cable is another good option, although a bit more expensive than monoprice.

So I was originally leaning towards 16ga but it seems like there is more talk about 12ga?
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post #21205 of 22382
2/7/13 at 9:25pm
rc-64 finally showed up today hooked it up can finally complete my rf-7 combo def. a big upgrade from the rc-62, sold most of my old klipsch gear from my previous rf-62 system except for the rc-62 to get most of money back from upgrading to dual sw-115s and rear 3800 and 5800 reference in wall and in ceiling surrounds.
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post #21206 of 22382
2/7/13 at 9:31pm
The only thing you need to watch about speaker wire is to make sure its pure copper. With the price of copper through the roof now some companies are selling copper coated aluminum which as we all know aluminum does not conduct as well as copper.
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post #21207 of 22382
2/7/13 at 9:43pm
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So I was originally leaning towards 16ga but it seems like there is more talk about 12ga?
Get 12ga. It doesn't cost that much more and you have some super nice speakers. Why skimp on speaker wire?
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post #21208 of 22382
2/8/13 at 5:46am
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it seems like there is more talk about 12ga?
That talk comes from mainly from the 'if it's bigger it must be better' crowd. If you're from the 'if I can't hear it I don't care' and/or the 'why spend more than I have to?' crowd use this to determine what you actually need:

http://www.bcae1.com/images/swfs/speakerwireselectorassistant.swf
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post #21209 of 22382
2/8/13 at 6:39am
Bigger isn't better depending on the length of your runs...BUT if the cost difference between smaller and bigger is so marginal it just dosen't pay to buy smaller...well there you have it.

It helps future proof your speaker wire... Now instead of cutting the 8 ft. lengths you need to day... You can chop off 30 ft. lengths, coil it nicely, and if you need to move things around not have to buy additional speaker wire down the road.

Just my two cents.
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post #21210 of 22382
2/8/13 at 7:17am
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Bigger isn't better depending on the length of your runs...BUT if the cost difference between smaller and bigger is so marginal it just dosen't pay to buy smaller...well there you have it.

It helps future proof your speaker wire... Now instead of cutting the 8 ft. lengths you need to day... You can chop off 30 ft. lengths, coil it nicely, and if you need to move things around not have to buy additional speaker wire down the road.

Just my two cents.
Completely agree. That's like banana plugs aren't really necessary but they hardly cost anything. If you're gonna spend $2000 for speakers do you really wanna save $30 on hooking everything up as best you can? It may make 0 difference in the sound but my peace of mind is worth more than that.
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