Klipsch owner thread - Page 708

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Originally Posted by GuyH 

Klipsch SW308 volume too low...

I just set up a couple of systems in my home. One has a Denon 2113 with a Klipsch SW350, the other a Denon 3313 with a Klipsch SW308. The SW350 sounds great, but the volume of bass coming out of the SW308 is much, much lower. I've tried a few adjustments of the bass volume in the manual setup screen but can't get it to respond at low volume levels. When I run the test tone on all speakers to set the speaker level, the volume of the 308 is as high, or higher than the other speakers, but when music is being played, it's very low. I have the volume and crossover on the 308 itself set at max.

thanks....

Swap out the receivers or the subs to see if you still have the problem.  Ifnot, then best to go over to the official Denon AVR thread . . . Probably just a setting on your Denon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuyH 

Klipsch SW308 volume too low...

I just set up a couple of systems in my home. One has a Denon 2113 with a Klipsch SW350, the other a Denon 3313 with a Klipsch SW308. The SW350 sounds great, but the volume of bass coming out of the SW308 is much, much lower. I've tried a few adjustments of the bass volume in the manual setup screen but can't get it to respond at low volume levels. When I run the test tone on all speakers to set the speaker level, the volume of the 308 is as high, or higher than the other speakers, but when music is being played, it's very low. I have the volume and crossover on the 308 itself set at max.

thanks....

Also, unless you have a great disparity in room size and room acoustics, the 3313/SW308 combo should yield a more powerful thump than the 2113/SW350 combo, especially since the SW308 is speced out twice that as the SW350, even those though they both are 8" woofer subs; the SW308 goes lower.  And the the 3313 you have the 308 paired with has more internal controls and amp power.

Have you tried swapping out subs or receivers yet?

Additionally, you are probably driving different speakers in each room; I suspicion your smaller speakers are in the room with your 2113/SW350 setup?  The sub will either disappear more readily with larger speakers and appear more when teamed with smaller speakers.

Have you run Audyssey on the 3313 to eq your setup?  If not, you want to.

Occasionally, even a new sub has a bad amp.

But dollars to doughnuts, it is in all probability, a setting on your 3313 off or cabling is wrong or suspect.

Try it all, but I recommend a trip to the official Denon 3313 thread on here and start asking questions.

Let  us know how it works out.

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Originally Posted by LETH2AL 

Hi all,

I have a question. I have the most recent version of the klipsch quintettes and a klipsch SW-350 sub and am pushing them with a Marantz SR6007 receiver. My question is, if I buy the klipsch icon kf-26's for my front speakers will they be too loud for the quintette's? I was hoping it would make it sound better but I don't want to drowned out my center channel. Any help or reccomendations would be great!! thanks in advance!

The KF-26 is a floor standing speaker, a lot more dynamic and powerful than the standard speakers in a Quintet setup.  Do not be surprised if your smaller quintet center cannot keep up with (and is overwhelmed) by the unmatched larger Icon towers.  You can only turn up without distortion a quintet center not designed for icon towers so far.  With the smaller unmatched quintet center, do not be surprised if you have to under power your new icon towers to hear clear voices from the quintet center.  While the Marantz SR6007 is a solid AVR, it cannot eq what is not there . . . Namely, it will not remake a quintet center suddenly into a matched undistorted icon center.  No matter how solid the AVR, it cannot upgrade without distortion a center speaker beyond its optimal specs.  

To get clear sound from your old center and new tower fronts, you most probably will find yourself eq'ing down and underpowering the KF-26s to perform more like, well, Quintets . . . Kind of defeats the purpose of upgrading the fronts if you do not upgrade the center sufficiently.

Matching the front three speakers (center and fronts) is the most important part of building your HT.  Your quintet center is matched to little, but nice for their app, quintet speakers, not the icon floor standers.

If you buy the KF-26s, I imagine you will soon be getting money together for a matching iCon center in order to fully enjoy the new icon towers in your HT setup.

IMHO.

Just my $.02.  It is your money and your HT.

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 

I agree. It will not sound ideal but will sound fine unless you are listening very loudly to the point of distorting the center. Your first upgrade should be a better center when you can afford it. And, of course, 2 channel music will sound much better with the towers.

 If he is like many of us, loud is the reason for HT . . . explosions, sirens, yelling and screaming dialogue . . . movies!  :-)

"Great catch, 007!" (always wanted to say that) on reminding us all that with his upgrade to towers would come much better two channel music sound as compared to the quintets. (And two channel with a strong matching center is back in again,). Just saying . . .     ;-)

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 


He wanted to know if he got the towers would they drown out the center channel. The answer is no. Everyone doesnt listen at reference level all the time. And I wanted to point out to him that there is more advantages to upgrading to towers than loud HT. And its a good thing that you told him that the kf26 are more dynamic and powerful than the quintets. Im sure he would never have known that.

Sarcasm intended, perhaps?  

To the OP . . . If you find yourself in a position of raising the volume level of you KF26s  above the low listening level in order to enjoy a little louder tv or movie environment,,since,the center speaker carries most of the dialogue, the KF-26s will most assuredly and unsatisfactorily DROWN OUT the Quintet center.

Maybe I should less gently make the case, posting any further thoughts sparing the use of the "gentility filter" for which we southerners are noted.

Mating the smallish quintet center with KF26 towers will most definitely overpower the quintet center, so much so, that employing the Icon KF-26s as fronts while maintaining a much more meager quintet as a center will produce a wholly disatisfying result.

To procure any semblance of 3 speaker sonic balance, the OP will be required to listen to the Icon KF 26s at low levels at all times (in effect, dumbing down the KF26s by lowering the towers' volume) while pumping up the volume on the center quintet to near a peak level on the threshold of distortion.

A recent review should suffice to make the point:

"Price is a little high for a BestBuy level center channel [icon 5 1/4 center channel matching the KF-26s] but is a great unit otherwise for being Klipsch's low end. I matched with the KF-26 fronts to replace my Quintets and my system sounds great now. I tried to run the KF-26's with my Quintet center and it deff was not cutting it. I upgraded to this unit [Icon 5 1/4 Center].  It deffinately has a more powerful and full sound. It looks like a Beast compared to my Quintets for sure." [From 4/18/2012 @ link http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=2138079&pid=1218310760241&tab=reviews&overview=no]

OP, if you plan to purchase themIcon KF-26s (a nice upgrade from the quintets), you should consider the matching Icon center to experience your new KF-26 towers in their full capability, unless you only plan on doing two channel listening.  For HT you will need the Icon matching center to experience in HT mode what your new towers can really do during movie or tv watching.

To the OP . . . let us all know how you come out after making your final decision.

The above is all IMHO.

While I did not "rehash" your post, I "amplified" on it, AND I DISAGREED.

AT reasonable MOVIE VOLUMES, using the new towers WILL DROWN OUT THE Quintet.

In a forum, you are free to state your opinion, and I am free to state my own opinion.  My opinion, I just back up with logic, audio science, and a real world quote from a guy who recorded the recent failure of a like trial in his published review of his real world test.

So, I stand by my opinion backed by evidence.  You are free to stand by your opinion without evidence.

We are big boys and girls here.  I do not have to agree with you, just because you pronounce a perceived truth by fiat.  This is not kindergarten.

You have your opinion and I have mine . . . Let's just leave it at that.  It is for the OP to decide whose advice to take, if either.  

Time to chill.

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Originally Posted by LETH2AL 

Thank you for your opinions guys!!! I already bought the Kf-26's and they sound great but the center soundsa bit off. I bought the quintets recently so I can still return them and get some other speakers. So I have another question. If I take them back and buy another center what speakers could I get for the rear that can be on speaker stands? In my current living space I have no choice but to put the rears on stands. I could just get the center but then I would have $300 in speakers sitting around for no reason. Thanks

Get an Icon matching center . . . The front three sonically matched are the most important for HT . . . Then you can take you time to add surrounds, which are more forgiving.