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Doesn't Audessey set reference level at 0 dB?
You guys watch movies at 25 to 30 dB below reference? Are you in apartments with neighbors? Anyway that might explain the lack of enthusiasm, right?

 

Inset into the wall?  Yes, that will be there for a while!  If you pick up some KPTs let us  know what you find out about how they blend or how to blend them with Heritage.

 

We live in a small log cabin . . . any real wood or veneer speaker fits in . . . But a black industrial cinema probably would not get me WAF though it would ideally raise higher in the room my rear sound.

 

so, I must be content to wait and hear the results you post . . . After you do it.  :-)

Huh? Lack of enthusiasm? Are you saying we dont listen to movies loud enough? I listen to music at 0 - +3. I watch movies at -25 to -30. Sometimes I will go into the -15 range. Depends on the movie

Will do, for sure.
The inset is large enough that I could put another speaker in there, but it fits a Heresy II with a small gap on the sides, and a slightly larger gap on top and bottom so I can hang it on the back wall of the inset. Looks nice and keeps it out of the way.

Might explain it! He said:

Also I don't feel like I'm getting a good boom feeling from system. It seems to be really missing on highs, I just don't feel like submerged in the action. For instance in transformers dark side of the moon when sidewinder (not sure on name) first shows up the whole sequence just didn't pop.

I'd feel that way too watching a movie 30 dB below reference.

Your problem is incorrect Audyssey setup - Audyssey is setting your sub to -12, meaning that the gain knob on your sub is set too high. You need to lower the gain on your sub and re-run just the first mic position for Audyssey until you get a sub level (in the Denon speaker trim menu) between -3db and +3db, then re-run all mic positions and your sub will be calibrated correctly.

It does not matter what you set in the Denon prior to running Audyssey with regards to speaker size or levels, Audyssey will override the settings when it runs. However, after Audyssey runs you should verify that all speakers are set to "small" and crossovers are at 80hz (unless Audyssey sets them higher - never lower an Audyssey set crossover point)

After you re-run Audyssey (and get the sub trim right), most people prefer a bass level that is higher than Audyssey sets. I pump mine up so it is at 75db at my MLP (measured with an SPL meter - if you don't have one, you should).

Are you using Dynamic EQ? It helps greatly with bass at lower volume levels and is worth playing around with the different settings.

Are you using an older "FAT" PS3? If so, you need to leave the audio setting on "PCM" where you currently have it - this is the only way it will output uncompressed multichannel audio formats. If you have a newer "slim", you can set it to either PCM or Bitsream, the setting only effects which component decodes the multichannel audio (Bitstream = your receiver decodes, PCM = you PS3 decodes).

Hope this helps!
Edited by Alan P - 2/19/13 at 9:00am

I do serious movie watching around -8 to -12 on my RF-7 II system powered by a Pio SC-61 AVR. Honestly I really couldn't do louder, to me it's significantly louder than theaters at that volume. When other people are over they usually aren't comfortable past -14 or so. Maybe with better room treatments I might be able to bump it down a couple notches closer to reference.

But yeah, watching at -30 dB and then saying it's flat is like calling the kettle black. Of course it's black. I watch normal TV at that volume when I just want some background noise and I'm surfing on my tablet or something.

Reference volume isn't the normal volume at theaters either. Generally they're down quite a bit. Reference volume is what the movie is mixed at in the studio, but the theater operators have a volume control too, and Ive been to very very few movies that actually sounded like 105db peaks.

I would say normal theater volume is -10db for big budget action movies, and some dramas might be down around -14 or so.

Ive been to very few movies long ago that really stood out. This is when DTS and Dolby Digital had first made it's way into theaters in the Vancouver area. First was Jurassic Park opening night, and the theater had just upgraded it's sound system. I'm pretty sure the managers played it at reference level.

Second was when DTS first hit our theaters, and Mortal Kombat opening night. Holy hell that was loud. Every punch was felt through the chest.

And lastly, Twister and GoldenEye. Both of those movies were loud too.

I listen to my Klipsch Reference setup at -25 if the wife is home (-17 if she isn't). Any higher than -17, I'm pretty sure stuff would start falling off the walls and the windows might shatter.

Here are my volume levels:
Jazz trio in the evening (no drums): 30 to 25 dB dB below reference
Watching TV: 40 to 30 dB below.
Watching a chic movie: 20 to 17 dB below
Watching an action movie: about 7 dB below reference.
Demos : reference
Occasional music with drums: reference and a bit more.

Reference for me is -13 dB on my volume dial, where 0 dB is about the max allowed. The sub will give up below that though as it's heavily EQ'ed.

I have the synergy line F2 towers with a C2 center. Well one of my towers is crapping out. I think my daughter got juice or milk into them somehow. Now I know the F2 is discontinued. I am afraid of buying something off Craigslist or Ebay that I can't sample and it's not the right time to redo the home theater. I have seen on klipsch's page that the synergy line has an F20. The specs are very similar to the old F2. IS this the new line and can I replace my old F2 with an F20 and I won't notice a difference? I know the front 3 channels have to be the same because of the timbre. If not is there any other speaker that I can replace it iwth or am I going to have to replace the all three front speakers? Thank guys

^^^^

Have you checked into just replacing the driver (or whatever is broken) in your F2? Could be a much cheaper route.

 

+1 . . . Maybe time to do a little learning how to repair a repairable speaker?  There is lots of help out there to learn.  ;-)

And Klipsch are willing to sell parts too.

to start : what exactly is happening ?? ??
Rice Crispies ?? ?? ( Snap,crackle & pop ? ) horn !
OR
is it a rubbing sound ? low grinding sound ? unexpected thumping ? woofer !

Either sound is a different driver (horn OR Woofer )

1st Off start by Opening That Byatch Up & see what is the problem ,

2nd look to see if the crossover is damaged by a liquid stain

IF Not then a driver is blown
( More likely the case if no liquid damage )
IIRC those have Aluminum diaphragms & they do blow after awhile

dont be scared to buy used... I would not. best bet is to find two off of craigslist or ebay to be honest/

I have upgraditis. My current system is older Cambridge Soundworks and it sounds pretty good. I just picked up an RC-52 II and it actually works pretty well with my front speakers. I've tried a bunch of material that pans across the front with no major issues, to my ears anyways. My fronts are 13 year old Tower II's. I really like the 52 and it was a definite upgrade but I'm thinking if I'm going to be upgrading , go big or go home. So my question is simple, RC-64 II instead of the 52? The towers I have, and are not going to be upgraded for a little while still, have Two 8-inch polypropylene woofers; a 5 1/4-inch polypropylene midrange driver and a 1-inch soft-dome fabric tweeter. I'm thinking the 64 is a pretty big upgrade from the 52, and wonder if it is too much with my current system.

My room is about 15X20 with 7' ceilings, carpet and no windows. (basement). I'm in the process of acoustically treating it. I'm running an Onkyo 818 receiver.

Thanks for all the info in this thread and any thoughts you may have on my questions.

So I all of a sudden had a brainstorm...what if I was to put RB51's as the mains, then (1) RB51 on its side for the center (cover with new acoustical fabric or whatever it is called) so it looks symmetric, and then use the RB41's as rears. Would that work for a 5.1? Anyone know where I can buy just a single RB51?

ebay craigslist... always for sale

Wow thanks everyone for the great input and suggestions, I really truly appreciate it. I won't be able to tinker with it more until Friday but have some great things to try. So from what I can tell, I can retry audessey to make sure sub is set right. And also just turn up the volume some! But also should have specified that's it's not necessarily quiet it's just that the center which outputs most of the sound is just weaker then the other speakers. Example was a jurrasic park preview on a bluray, it showed the t-Rex roaring and it just didn't sound fulfilling. This may just be due to the items listed above though.

Thanks again everyone with the help so far!

TVMan1414

I have the exact same speakers as you (different sub and receiver though), and the center channel is one of the main highlights for me. Dialogue is full, crystal clear, and forward, just the way I like it. These are the first speakers I've owned that truly immerse you in the material. I recently bought the Grindhouse double feature on blu-ray (vastly underrated IMO), and during the chase sequence at the end of Deathproof I feel like I'm actually sitting in the driver seat, with the roar of the engine vibrating my seat and the ambient sounds all around me. Home theater doesn't get much better than that...

Anyhow, good luck with your tweaks!

 

I suggest you go here and read the first post in the thread, and then post questions on the last page of the thread, page 2000 now, after reading some posts and running,some searches for your issues on the thread for focused help with Audyssey:  http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1

 

that puts you on the Official Audyseey thread . . . Really helped me to eq my Klipsch HT with an Audyssey-capable AVR after reading and posting there.  Much better than brief general answers you will get on this dedicated speaker thread.

 

time to learn a little about Audyssey to dial,your HT in.

Edited by Rhetor - 2/19/13 at 8:56pm

 

 

You bought the wrong banana plugs . . . Happens all the time when we are learning..

 

Here are the right ones at great price:  http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10401&cs_id=1040115&p_id=2801&seq=1&format=2

 

Easy to install and  when done, you are gold to go.  in my HT, I use the same ones from the link for my Klipsch speakers and on the AVR and my speakers are in an 11.3 ht setup.  And those banna plugs, even being low priced, will fit snugly and safely in your application.  You will be happy and feel secure.

 

They come fast too when ordered. From Monoprice online.

 

The plugs are now on sale for 30% off on an order.

Edited by Rhetor - 2/19/13 at 9:34pm

Is upgrading to the RC 64 II overkill for my system?

Rb 81 II
Rb61 II
SW 112 ii
Rc 52 II ( thinking about replacing)
Sr5006

So I guess if your system doesnt sound good your answer is to just turn it up to reference levels and it should sound good then? Hmm that makes sense lolz

What he is saying is if you are watching action movies at -30dB that's not very loud and one wouldn't expect to feel in the middle of the action.

+1

Yea I understand what he said. On MY system -30 is kinda loud. -20 is very loud. -10 is extremely loud and uncomfortable. This is for movies only. I listen to music between -5 to +3. What I meant is at -30 his speakers should be starting to open up unless Audyssey isnt setup properly which it wasnt. Everyones calibration of their system is a little different obviously according to their gear, and everyones ears are different as well as their room configuration.

Im getting the itch to upgrade, eek! I just dont know if I "need" to! Currently my system consists of RF-62 fronts, RC-62 center, and RF-10 surrounds.

My subwoofer is a klipsch rpw-10d (crappy)

My room measures 13wx20L and since I moved my equipment here I feel like I have to turn up the volume a little more to hear at the level I like, listening position is about 12' feet away.

is my best bet to upgrade my sub to something better or should I look at upgrading my fronts and center? do I even need to upgrade or is it just the itch?

you can get more performance than the 62's for sure. you'll notice a difference with 82/83's or 7ii's. that 62 center is almost as good as it gets with only the 64 being better(but really, how much better).

suggestions?
7ii's and a SW 115

set for life.