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post #21391 of 22382
Hi All,

Question for you Klipsch experts. I recently bought the Klipsch Icon KB-15's when they were on sale at Best Buy really cheap. I bought (4) thinking that I could use them temporarily for my 5.1 system until I get dedicated front speakers and then could move them to height surrounds. I have been watching for sales on the Icon center from BB but nothing has come up. I really need to get my old center swapped out for something new and was wondering if any of the other Klipsch speakers would match the timbre of my KB-15's? I was thinking a RC42 or RC52. Would like an RC64 but for right now that would be overkill within my current system.

So what do you guys think? Will they match or should I just keep an eye on Best Buy for a sale on the Icon center they carry?
post #21392 of 22382
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

+1 . . . Maybe time to do a little learning how to repair a repairable speaker?  There is lots of help out there to learn.  ;-)

What am I looking for? Are there other threads on what to do?
post #21393 of 22382
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Originally Posted by cchunter View Post

Yea I understand what he said. On MY system -30 is kinda loud. -20 is very loud. -10 is extremely loud and uncomfortable. This is for movies only. I listen to music between -5 to +3. What I meant is at -30 his speakers should be starting to open up unless Audyssey isnt setup properly which it wasnt. Everyones calibration of their system is a little different obviously according to their gear, and everyones ears are different as well as their room configuration.

-30, -20 and -10dB from reference is the same SPL for everyone, whether it's your system or my system. I suppose the room acoustics might sound worse in one case or another.

I don't believe too much in this minimum power to open up stuff. Some music sounds natural at -30 (say an acoustic guitar) but an action movie doesn't. Is someone is yelling on screen, he's not yelling at -30. So it'll be like watching the movie on TV and won't be involving.
post #21394 of 22382
Could be a lot of things - room, speaker placement, hearing, input trim on the AVR, Dynamic Volume, etc.
post #21395 of 22382
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Originally Posted by Ssoto0055 View Post


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post #21396 of 22382
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Originally Posted by Chris DeWitt View Post

Hi All,

Question for you Klipsch experts. I recently bought the Klipsch Icon KB-15's when they were on sale at Best Buy really cheap. I bought (4) thinking that I could use them temporarily for my 5.1 system until I get dedicated front speakers and then could move them to height surrounds. I have been watching for sales on the Icon center from BB but nothing has come up. I really need to get my old center swapped out for something new and was wondering if any of the other Klipsch speakers would match the timbre of my KB-15's? I was thinking a RC42 or RC52. Would like an RC64 but for right now that would be overkill within my current system.

So what do you guys think? Will they match or should I just keep an eye on Best Buy for a sale on the Icon center they carry?

 

If I remmber right, the true center match for those is the KC-25 center.

 

Often can be found used in great shape, but BB carries new still, I think.

post #21397 of 22382
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post


Will do, for sure.
The inset is large enough that I could put another speaker in there, but it fits a Heresy II with a small gap on the sides, and a slightly larger gap on top and bottom so I can hang it on the back wall of the inset. Looks nice and keeps it out of the way.

 

I bet that looks cool.    What a great use of space.  And pretty, too?  

 

Do you have a pic of that one Heresy in place, handy?  No need to go to any trouble . . . Just thought it might be cool to see if you had a handy pic already . . . To see a creative solution.

post #21398 of 22382
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post


dont be scared to buy used... I would not. best bet is to find two off of craigslist or ebay to be honest/

 

+1 . . . . But play it smart, and safe, and always take your own receiver and speaker wires . . . Personally, I never buy off craigslist without auditioning and checking out the people BEFORE we meet.  There are some real weirdos and scammers and thieves out there on Craigslist.

 

but there are also some great people, regular folk who sell on there too, folks like on this forum.

 

great pre-owned buys are to be had . . . You have to wade through the chaff . . . And always err in the side of your personal safety.

 

Craigslist is more relevant than ever, because there are a lot of just regular folk on there buying and selling; the scammers hurt everybody.  

 

Just play it safe and take your time.

 

Did I say, "Think safety?"  If not, think safety smart.

 

i have met some great people when buying off Craigslist.  But I am not shy about driving away if it all seems sketchy.  Google Earth is a great place to start when you get a buy address.

 

i have met some people I never want to meet again.  But I have also met a few at a first buy, just a few, who share my interest and even have become friends.

 

But, if Idid not say it, "Always plan out personal safety first.". No "great deal" on a craigslist item is worth major risk, for me anyway.

post #21399 of 22382
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Originally Posted by acevesf View Post

Im getting the itch to upgrade, eek! I just dont know if I "need" to! Currently my system consists of RF-62 fronts, RC-62 center, and RF-10 surrounds.

My subwoofer is a klipsch rpw-10d (crappy)

My room measures 13wx20L and since I moved my equipment here I feel like I have to turn up the volume a little more to hear at the level I like, listening position is about 12' feet away.

is my best bet to upgrade my sub to something better or should I look at upgrading my fronts and center? do I even need to upgrade or is it just the itch?

I upgraded my Klipsch Sub-12 recently to a SVS PB12-NSD and was blown away by the difference. My room size is 16x20 and gone was the boomy muddled bass I had been listening to for years, replaced by what you get at the movie theater, flat bass response that you feel as well as hear. I am upgrading my speakers to your current setup - I have the F-2's and have more than enough bass. So, you should be fine with your speakers, just need a good sub.
post #21400 of 22382
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

-30, -20 and -10dB from reference is the same SPL for everyone, whether it's your system or my system. I suppose the room acoustics might sound worse in one case or another.

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Yes but you also have to take into account what the speaker levels are eq'd to(-12 to +12).
post #21401 of 22382
Hey guys I am a Complete NOOB. I current have 2 KLIPSCH RF62 standing speakers.. got them a few years ago..... I just saw that futureshop has a sale that ends tomorrrow for the Klipsch reference Surround Speaker (RS400B) .... http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/klipsch-klipsch-reference-surround-speaker-rs400b-black-single-speaker-rs400b/10205922.aspx?path=c50c6427b06dbe23eebed78f738f667ben02

I can get it for 140$ before tax, is this a good deal and should I get it!!!! appreciate your help guys.

thank you.
post #21402 of 22382
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Yes but you also have to take into account what the speaker levels are eq'd to(-12 to +12).
Mine are:

Fronts L/R -5.5
Center -9
Rears -9
Subwoofer -1.5

Dynamic EQ is on
post #21403 of 22382
Thanks again everyone for all your help! Can't wait to try all this out this weekend! Also did anyone else find themselves raising the center channel volume after running audessey? (from -11.5 db where audessey had it set to -9 db)

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414
post #21404 of 22382
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Yes but you also have to take into account what the speaker levels are eq'd to(-12 to +12).

If a person ran Audyssey correctly then what psg is saying is that those numbers would represent the same SPL in any room after calibration on the Main Volume.
post #21405 of 22382
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Thanks again everyone for all your help! Can't wait to try all this out this weekend! Also did anyone else find themselves raising the center channel volume after running audessey? (from -11.5 db where audessey had it set to -9 db)

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414

There is nothing wrong with doing that but if Audyssey set your center channel at -11.5 it makes me wonder what the other speakers level was compared to each other. Fwiw, one of he things that these EQ programs are supposed to Level Match all of your speakers to the same volume at the MPL.
post #21406 of 22382
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Thanks again everyone for all your help! Can't wait to try all this out this weekend! Also did anyone else find themselves raising the center channel volume after running audessey? (from -11.5 db where audessey had it set to -9 db)

Thanks Again,

TVMan1414

If Audyssey is setting your center to -11.5, there is something seriously wrong. Either you have a defective setup mic, or there are serious speaker placement/room issues. Maybe you could post a picture of your setup.
post #21407 of 22382
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Originally Posted by tsaville View Post

If Audyssey is setting your center to -11.5, there is something seriously wrong. Either you have a defective setup mic, or there are serious speaker placement/room issues. Maybe you could post a picture of your setup.

Well, I agree something sounds wrong and why I asked about his other speakers trim levels and my first thought is did he use a tripod when running Audyssey and where did he set the mic on on the chirps? There may very well be something else wrong, and I can't imagine too many scenarios where the center channel appears louder than the mains unless it's not aimed at the mic in the MLP and in this situation makes me think they came up as "-12," which we know is the limit..
post #21408 of 22382
Thanks again everyone for the input! This forum is the best and has really given me a lot of good advice and things to think of. I will send some pictures as soon as I can regarding my setup, but let me kind of run down my process. Also, I am very new at this and honestly don't know exactly what I am doing or what everything means, so every input I receive is much appreciated. My setup is as follows:

Denon 3312
Klipsch RF-82 ii
Klipsch RC-62 ii
Klipsch RS-52 ii
Klipsch RW-12D

I did not use a tripod for my Audyssey mic when running the setup. I did not have one and read on the forums that you did not necessarily have to use one. Plus I wasn't sure how that was supposed to work considering you can't move any furniture after running the test, so more than likely the way I ran Audyssey was probably not optimal. Also my room layout is not very good and my room is a pretty good size. The issue is that I am currently not going to be staying in my current living situation for ever so the room I am using now is not really a dedicated room. Also my surrounds are on make-shift stands for now, I know this is not optimal (but only temporary).

I do not have it in front of me but I believe the basic settings established by Audyssey were the following (I can't even remember distances established right now)

(Numbers May not be exactly correct but from memory, these numbers should be close)
Fronts: Large
Center: Small
Surrounds: Small
Subwoofer: Yes

Fronts: 40 mhz
Center: 60 mhz
Surrounds: 100mhz

Front Left: -11 db
Front Right: -10.5 db
Center: -10 db
Surrounds: -11 db

The only thing I did after Audyssey run so far was:

Made all speakers SMALL, made fronts and center 80 mhz, and increased center volume to -9 db.

I will try to upload some photos when I can. I really look forward to playing with it this weekend.

Thanks All!
post #21409 of 22382
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Thanks again everyone for the input! This forum is the best and has really given me a lot of good advice and things to think of. I will send some pictures as soon as I can regarding my setup, but let me kind of run down my process. Also, I am very new at this and honestly don't know exactly what I am doing or what everything means, so every input I receive is much appreciated. My setup is as follows:

Denon 3312
Klipsch RF-82 ii
Klipsch RC-62 ii
Klipsch RS-52 ii
Klipsch RW-12D

I did not use a tripod for my Audyssey mic when running the setup. I did not have one and read on the forums that you did not necessarily have to use one. Plus I wasn't sure how that was supposed to work considering you can't move any furniture after running the test, so more than likely the way I ran Audyssey was probably not optimal. Also my room layout is not very good and my room is a pretty good size. The issue is that I am currently not going to be staying in my current living situation for ever so the room I am using now is not really a dedicated room. Also my surrounds are on make-shift stands for now, I know this is not optimal (but only temporary).

I do not have it in front of me but I believe the basic settings established by Audyssey were the following (I can't even remember distances established right now)

(Numbers May not be exactly correct but from memory, these numbers should be close)
Fronts: Large
Center: Small
Surrounds: Small
Subwoofer: Yes

Fronts: 40 mhz
Center: 60 mhz
Surrounds: 100mhz

Front Left: -11 db
Front Right: -10.5 db
Center: -10 db
Surrounds: -11 db

The only thing I did after Audyssey run so far was:

Made all speakers SMALL, made fronts and center 80 mhz, and increased center volume to -9 db.

I will try to upload some photos when I can. I really look forward to playing with it this weekend.

Thanks All!

 

You have a great matched set . . . And fine receiver and solid sub.

 

i had some trouble with Audyssey until I bought a camera tripod with collapsible legs for $3 in a yard sale and used it, making it shorter to sit in the back center on the cushions with the mic at ear height in my seating locations around the room.  That really, really helped.  It also helped to run the first two Audyssey recording from the primary listening seat, and then start moving the mic/tripod around.

 

Without the tripod setting the mic at ear level, I was picking up, I am sure, furniture reflections, trying to put the mic on stacked books in seats.

 

Because of unsympathetic rooms and without a definitive understanding of acoustical treatments, some have great success using an inexpensive spl meter to tweak the Audyssey settings, eqing to their liking after a fully tripod run on Audyssey.

 

do you know of anyone with an RC62II center to borrow, swapping out your center for the borrowed on, running Audyssey again then?  If the results are radically better, you may have a problem with your center.  I have never encountered a new defective center . . . But . . . You never know, though it is highly unlikely (but possible).

 

those photos you are going to give, might provide a different clue.

 

Just a couple of thoughts.


Edited by Rhetor - 2/21/13 at 9:31pm
post #21410 of 22382
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Thanks again everyone for the input! This forum is the best and has really given me a lot of good advice and things to think of. I will send some pictures as soon as I can regarding my setup, but let me kind of run down my process. Also, I am very new at this and honestly don't know exactly what I am doing or what everything means, so every input I receive is much appreciated. My setup is as follows:

Denon 3312
Klipsch RF-82 ii
Klipsch RC-62 ii
Klipsch RS-52 ii
Klipsch RW-12D

I did not use a tripod for my Audyssey mic when running the setup. I did not have one and read on the forums that you did not necessarily have to use one. Plus I wasn't sure how that was supposed to work considering you can't move any furniture after running the test, so more than likely the way I ran Audyssey was probably not optimal. Also my room layout is not very good and my room is a pretty good size. The issue is that I am currently not going to be staying in my current living situation for ever so the room I am using now is not really a dedicated room. Also my surrounds are on make-shift stands for now, I know this is not optimal (but only temporary).

I do not have it in front of me but I believe the basic settings established by Audyssey were the following (I can't even remember distances established right now)

(Numbers May not be exactly correct but from memory, these numbers should be close)
Fronts: Large
Center: Small
Surrounds: Small
Subwoofer: Yes

Fronts: 40 mhz
Center: 60 mhz
Surrounds: 100mhz

Front Left: -11 db
Front Right: -10.5 db
Center: -10 db
Surrounds: -11 db

The only thing I did after Audyssey run so far was:

Made all speakers SMALL, made fronts and center 80 mhz, and increased center volume to -9 db.

I will try to upload some photos when I can. I really look forward to playing with it this weekend.

Thanks All!

I have attached some pictures of my room for the layout.
photo1.jpg 28k .jpg file photo2.jpg 30k .jpg file photo3.jpg 28k .jpg file photo4.jpg 30k .jpg file
I know the speakers and room are probably not ideal but does anyone have any more input that might help me given the photos and information above?
post #21411 of 22382
TVMan, where did you have the mic during calibration?
post #21412 of 22382
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post


I have attached some pictures of my room for the layout.
photo1.jpg 28k .jpg file photo2.jpg 30k .jpg file photo3.jpg 28k .jpg file photo4.jpg 30k .jpg file
I know the speakers and room are probably not ideal but does anyone have any more input that might help me given the photos and information above?

 

Your pics help . . . That is a beautiful room, but not, just,as,you have been telling us, not overly HT friendly.

 

Your center seems to be in an acceptable location and angled up for seating positions, aimed at peoples ears.  

 

All of the openness behind the top half of the fronts is not near enough to a solid back wall to carry or reflect sound forward as one would want.

 

Your sides have it tougher, again, not near a solid reflecting wall to capture sound and push It forward.  Not clear to me,,but are they at ear height so listeners,seated,position or a little too high on the stands for that?  You could try adjustable wall anchored  speaker stands which you could install pointing them at center seated positions; or move them to ear height a little behind the couch.

 

Wherever you put them, I sincerelyrecommend you purchase from Amazon a lesser,expensive spl meter.  Run Audyssey again but with a used,or borrowed tripod.  Then sit in the primary seating position with the remote in one handmandmthe spl meter in the other, and level each speaker by ear to get the best eq'd level for,each speaker.  Many people have to tweak post-Audyssey settings with an spl meter, to get something that feels to the ear a more balanced sound.

 

live with the sound result for a few days, then tweak,again, until you,overcome to your ear a more meaningful result than you are getting after an Audyssey only run.

 

i know it seems like an inconvenience, but could, as it has for others, yield, in the end, a result more to you liking.

 

anyway, IMO I encourage you to try it-- Audyssey alone is not cutting it for you.  Again, doing tweaking Audyseey setting with an spl meter  will get you closer to,a,more pleasurable result.

 

It should make a difference for you.

 

others,may have differ, but it seems you are getting a result you do not like--time to get an spl meter?

post #21413 of 22382
Any advice on buying (authorized) Kilpsch reference series online? Who offers the best pricing and service? Specifically I'm looking for an RC-64-II in black right now.
post #21414 of 22382
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Originally Posted by TVMan1414 View Post

Thanks again everyone for the input! This forum is the best and has really given me a lot of good advice and things to think of. I will send some pictures as soon as I can regarding my setup, but let me kind of run down my process. Also, I am very new at this and honestly don't know exactly what I am doing or what everything means, so every input I receive is much appreciated. ..!

I would borrow/buy a tripod and run Audyssey again. Also make sure you run all EQ positions available. Fwiw, I think you have enough room behind your speakers but may want to pull them forward so they clear the front of the entertainment center. Insofar as an SPL meter is concerned, those are handy but if Audyssey was done correctly it shouldn't be needed. Also, what is the trim level on your Sub?
post #21415 of 22382
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Originally Posted by electricmanscott View Post

Any advice on buying (authorized) Kilpsch reference series online? Who offers the best pricing and service? Specifically I'm looking for an RC-64-II in black right now.
http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/speakers/index.cfm
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

I bet that looks cool.    What a great use of space.  And pretty, too?  

Do you have a pic of that one Heresy in place, handy?  No need to go to any trouble . . . Just thought it might be cool to see if you had a handy pic already . . . To see a creative solution.

Thank, I think it looks good. I have posted this pic before, but what the heck:




As you can see, it's close to a corner where we walk by to get into the HT room. If it weren't inset, it would be in the way.

The inset La Scala center (shown earlier) is cool, making a very large speaker disappear to nothing. The large box it sits in is lost to a closet, so no big deal.
Edited by psgcdn - 2/23/13 at 8:09am
post #21419 of 22382
Hey guys, hoping for some suggestions in my speaker upgrade quest.

My current setup:
Fronts: RF-5
Rears: RF-3
Center: RC-7
SW: RSW-12D

My upgrade list so far:
Fronts: RF-7 II
Center: RC-64 II

My questioning comes in with the rears and sw upgrades. Can I get away with using my RF-5s for my rear upgrades or will they not mesh with the RF-7 II? Or should I really go with RS-62 II or RF-82 II (same price)? Would the RF-82 II be placed in the rear or on the sides?

I have never been happy with my Klipsch subwoofer. Will I be just as disappointed with the SW-3xx or SW-1xx? Any other suggestions?

This setup is in a projector room (Epson 6020 on 130") that is 14'x24'. I want to put what is leftover from the upgrades in the living room which is 14'x18' and has a GT50 to be replaced by ZT60 this summer. I've had the Klipsch for over 10 years now, are they worth anything to sell and go for a smaller footprint setup in the LR (which would be ideal for me)?
Edited by hillcrest6 - 2/23/13 at 8:08am
post #21420 of 22382
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Originally Posted by hillcrest6 View Post

Hey guys, hoping for some suggestions in my speaker upgrade quest.

My current setup:
Fronts: RF-5
Rears: RF-3
Center: RC-7
SW: RSW-12D

My upgrade list so far:
Fronts: RF-7 II
Center: RC-64 II

My questioning comes in with the rears and sw upgrades. Can I get away with using my RF-5s for my rear upgrades or will they not mesh with the RF-7 II? Or should I really go with RS-62 II or RF-82 II (same price)? Would the RF-82 II be placed in the rear or on the sides?

I have never been happy with my Klipsch subwoofer. Will I be just as disappointed with the SW-3xx or SW-1xx? Any other suggestions?

This setup is in a projector room (Epson 6020 on 130") that is 14'x24'. I want to put what is leftover from the upgrades in the living room which is 14'x18' and has a GT50 to be replaced by ZT60 this summer. I've had the Klipsch for over 10 years now, are they worth anything to sell and go for a smaller footprint setup in the LR (which would be ideal for me)?

 After your intended purchases, I would focus on a high end sub for HT, then RS62s for sides, using RF3s for rears. . . Does not need to be Klipsch, moving your current sub, RC7, and RF5s to the LR for a starter 3.1 setup to start. 

 

I have found the smaller a klipsch subs fine for a budget buy, or smaller setup.  But with your intended upgrade, I would be investing in a high end much larger, lower hitting sub . . . No sense in putting an outstanding high reference setup together, and using a sub too underwhelming.  RFs w/RC64 need a sub friend for some heavy thump for movies.

 

 Eventually find some RB81s for HT rears and then move the RF3s to LR for a solid 5.1 system.

 

just like you, found it tough to let go of my HT setup as I upgraded, so moved original Reference HT pieces to a second setup in another room as I upgraded.  Did it a piece or pair of speakers at a time to the point I finally sold all of my R82 7.1 original setup because I did not have a room that worked for a third setup.

 

result?  Two setups, one for my wife and one for me!  When we do get time, infrequently to watch TV, since our tastes are not the same, works for both of us.  We watch movies in my HT setup though.

 

just one opinion.  There are going to be some other great ideas on this.


Edited by Rhetor - 2/23/13 at 8:46am
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