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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

I was talking to a guy who was selling his klipsch speakers on audiogon. He had some thx ultra 2 speakers and he worked at a non big box home theater store, And he was telling me what the dealer cost on some speakers where and I just could not believe it. For example. the rf7-ii were 279 a pair, dealer cost.
The rs-62 were 179 a pair dealer cost. Is this really true? Are the markups that high? Some of the thx speakrs that sell for 1499 he gets a 700, half the retail cost, as part of his employee discount. So I guess that would make sense, but is this really true? Can there be that much profit in speakers?

You either misunderstood what he said, or he does not know what he is talking about. I will buy all the RF-7 II's he can get me and give him 300% profit, using your numbers. That would be $837 for a pair of RF-7 II. Could pay a lot more and still come out way ahead, but if I am going to put my neck out there it is going to be for a large profit. smile.gif Your figures are way off. If people were making those kinds of percentages, we would all be retiring to Florida after 5 years.

$1,499 for the KL-650-THX speaker. That is MSRP, not the street price.
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post #21962 of 35250
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Mark up on Electronics 100%

Not these days and street prices are some times close to cost. If you do not run a tight ship, you will not survive. Why else do you think companies have gone under right and left. Several manufacturers and re-sellers have been running in the red for several years. Take a look at Best Buy and Sony for examples.
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post #21963 of 35250
will have to take your word on it...
post #21964 of 35250
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

But even as an open box, how did you do that. when I looked on the website for an open box right now for example it shows the price as being each. So am I reading that wrong? That the open box price is for a pair and not for each, as its listed when they are new?
The price was 549.99 for the pair of RS52iis open box like new condition. I bought them about 6 weeks ago but got the RS62ii's instead like I said because they were out of the 52ii's. It was just pure luck I got the 62ii's. Even at 549.99 for the 52ii's was still a great price. If you shop around and keep an eye on Amazon everyday as with Ebay you will come across good deals. Just have to be patient and check every single day. You can get a PAIR of RS52ii's open box right now at Acoustic Sound for 625.00. Its on Ebay.
post #21965 of 35250
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Originally Posted by af7miller View Post

Going to check out those RF-83s tomorrow and possibly pull the trigger on the buy. The seller mentioned he was interested in my RC-62II and maybe make some kind of deal for his RC-7. What are some of your opinions on that trade, RC-62II for RC-7; sound match, price-wise, etc? Thanks.

The RC-7 is a better speaker than the RC-62II, but for the RF-83 I would hold out and try and find an original RC-64...That said, if he is willing to trade evenly I would get the RC-7 and look to sell it (worth more than the RC-62II) and it may work for your needs. That's my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

I...And he was telling me what the dealer cost on some speakers where and I just could not believe it. For example. the rf7-ii were 279 a pair, dealer cost.

That is BS.
post #21967 of 35250
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Not these days and street prices are some times close to cost. If you do not run a tight ship, you will not survive. Why else do you think companies have gone under right and left. Several manufacturers and re-sellers have been running in the red for several years. Take a look at Best Buy and Sony for examples.

Yep--The internet has been both a positive and a negative for Conglomerates, but retail sales has taken a hit on the local level. Imo, price-wise it's been good for the consumer but I can't help but think the trend is going towards sacrificing quality to stay competitive on price.
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

will have to take your word on it...

Fwiw, anyone thinking the wholesale price for an RF-7II, which is made in America, could be anywhere near as low as was reported hasn't seen/heard one in person.
post #21968 of 35250
Klipsch WS-24 are Wide Dispersion Surround Technology, on wall pretty high sounds great, placing non surround bookshelves that high I wouldn't recommend.
post #21969 of 35250
newegg also has a center http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780086


wow the prices ? why so low
post #21970 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I am doing 7.1 in an apt but instead of back surrounds I am using front heights.

What special do heights bring to the table besides helicopter/jet scene realism.
post #21971 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

What special do heights bring to the table besides helicopter/jet scene realism.
expanded front sound stage , seamless wall of sound effect
I use both heights & wides , the effect is quite stunning in a well sound edited movie ,

I actually thought it was raining on my roof during the movie "Watchmen" by not using backs I have 9 speakers that 100% active at all times in a 5.1 using DSX processing or Dolby Neo X

most movies the backs are not active about 75% of the time , by not using the backs the processing uses the surrounds as backs,surrounds at the same time & IF your surrounds are setup right you will never be able to tell the differences .
Edited by Fastslappy - 4/19/13 at 12:18pm
post #21972 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

... most movies the backs are not active about 75% of the time , by not using the backs the processing uses the surrounds as backs,surrounds at the same time & IF your surrounds are setup right you will never be able to tell the differences .

I am not sure what you are saying about in "most movies the backs are not active about 75% of the time"--Are you talking about your Home Theater?
post #21973 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

Honest opinion...How well does that setup work? My regular surrounds are on the back wall but not as high up as yours. If I were to add side surrounds they would have to be as high as yours as I have a window on one side of the main seating position.

I am also wondering that if my side surrounds are that high, would I have to move my back surrounds up that high also.
You could look into some mounts as well to help with the angle. I use the ones below. They work great, but for heavier speakers, you really have to crank on them to tighten them enough to not droop over time. I have RS-62IIs mounted with them.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00009W5X2/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

edit: Looks like they are currently unavailable from amazon. I'm sure you can still get them directly through omnimount tho.
post #21974 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Not these days and street prices are some times close to cost. If you do not run a tight ship, you will not survive. Why else do you think companies have gone under right and left. Several manufacturers and re-sellers have been running in the red for several years. Take a look at Best Buy and Sony for examples.

Yep--The internet has been both a positive and a negative for Conglomerates, but retail sales has taken a hit on the local level. Imo, price-wise it's been good for the consumer but I can't help but think the trend is going towards sacrificing quality to stay competitive on price.
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

will have to take your word on it...

Fwiw, anyone thinking the wholesale price for an RF-7II, which is made in America, could be anywhere near as low as was reported hasn't seen/heard one in person.

What's the wholesale on kg3 & kg3.5?
post #21975 of 35250
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What's the wholesale on kg3 & kg3.5?

I believe AVS Forum rules prohibit price talk other than MSRP. Just FYI. Carry on...............smile.gif
post #21976 of 35250
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

What's the wholesale on kg3 & kg3.5?

Check eBay or Craigslist.
post #21977 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I am not sure what you are saying about in "most movies the backs are not active about 75% of the time"--Are you talking about your Home Theater?
Yes , home theater while watching movies as most everyone who gets a 5.1 or 7.1 system is watching a movies/TV most of the time , with music that all depends on what AVR you have & the listening mode you choose . Unless you have & use all channel stereo , some listening modes limit the use of backs on music as well .
post #21978 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

I believe AVS Forum rules prohibit price talk other than MSRP. Just FYI. Carry on...............smile.gif
I dont understand what is the problem with talking about eh wholesale dealer price? Its not the selling price, its not something 99% of us can even get anyways. So why is it an issue at all to talk about it. I mean with cars you can see the actual dealer cost , the real invoice, the shipping cost so on and so fourth its totally transparent for those that do the research. So what is wrong with talking about it here? Not trying to start an issue but its a legitimate question I have.
post #21979 of 35250
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

I believe AVS Forum rules prohibit price talk other than MSRP. Just FYI. Carry on...............smile.gif
I dont understand what is the problem with talking about eh wholesale dealer price? Its not the selling price, its not something 99% of us can even get anyways. So why is it an issue at all to talk about it. I mean with cars you can see the actual dealer cost , the real invoice, the shipping cost so on and so fourth its totally transparent for those that do the research. So what is wrong with talking about it here? Not trying to start an issue but its a legitimate question I have.

The youngest of the speakers I refer to is 17 years old...it's a joke.
post #21980 of 35250
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

I dont understand what is the problem with talking about eh wholesale dealer price? Its not the selling price, its not something 99% of us can even get anyways. So why is it an issue at all to talk about it. I mean with cars you can see the actual dealer cost , the real invoice, the shipping cost so on and so fourth its totally transparent for those that do the research. So what is wrong with talking about it here? Not trying to start an issue but its a legitimate question I have.
AVS has paid sponsorships from Retail A/V Equipment Sellers & forums rules are no price talk . do I need to spell it out ?
I'm not going all mod on you either & i'm Just a member anyway , but there is a T O S you agreed to when you signed up .
post #21981 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

AVS has paid sponsorships from Retail A/V Equipment Sellers & forums rules are no price talk . do I need to spell it out ?
I'm not going all mod on you & i'm Just a member anyway , but there is a T O S you agreed to when you signed up .
I understand price talk, but that is selling price, not dealer cost, something we cant get. So if we are not talking about the selling price then how is it an issue is my point?
post #21982 of 35250
If there are rules against price talk, then they are very poorly enforced. Every "recommendation" thread contains price talk (I recommend product xxx. Newegg has it on sale for xxx).
post #21983 of 35250
price talk [a reasonable amount] is now OK here

there are still some forums marked no price talk where it is not allowed

thanks
post #21984 of 35250
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

What's the wholesale on kg3 & kg3.5?

There is no longer a wholesale price for those speakers because they were discontinued over 16 years ago--Even then, there was no internet sales of those back then so the formula would be different today.
post #21985 of 35250
Coach,

How did the RC-64 I match with the RF-7II's? I am thinking of pulling the trigger on the RF-7IIs.
post #21986 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Yes , home theater while watching movies as most everyone who gets a 5.1 or 7.1 system is watching a movies/TV most of the time , with music that all depends on what AVR you have & the listening mode you choose . Unless you have & use all channel stereo , some listening modes limit the use of backs on music as well .

I guess what I am asking is where did you get that 75% number from in your original post and do you have a link?
post #21987 of 35250
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

What's the wholesale on kg3 & kg3.5?

Check eBay or Craigslist.

Exactly
post #21988 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I guess what I am asking is where did you get that 75% number from in your original post and do you have a link?
personal observation after about a 100 movies with my backs in 7 channel set-up
post #21989 of 35250
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

personal observation after about a 100 movies with my backs in 7 channel set-up
I dont know about that exact number either rolleyes.gif but for all practical purposes I would say its about right. You have to be careful about numbers here. If you say its dark half the time someone will want to argue about the summer and winter solstice and what part of the world you live in.
And I mean no offense to Zen Traveler. Hes a good guy.
Edited by Bond 007 - 4/19/13 at 5:59pm
post #21990 of 35250
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

newegg also has a center http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780086


wow the prices ? why so low

The Icon Ws were probably not ever worth the full MSRP price that they list there (500). I'm a bit sad that they're now even cheaper than when I picked them up for what I thought was a steal. I guess that's the way it goes. The center is kind of the weak point of the Icon W series anyway.
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