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post #22231 of 35284
I just ordered a Klipsch RC-62 and 4 RB-61's. I was thinking I should probably place them all the right height to get the most out of them, but the way my room is, I can't mount any of them (lots of doors). Can someone please recommend a speaker stand that will work with these? Prefereably on the inexpensive side.
post #22232 of 35284
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Originally Posted by lexlynx View Post

I just ordered a Klipsch RC-62 and 4 RB-61's. I was thinking I should probably place them all the right height to get the most out of them, but the way my room is, I can't mount any of them (lots of doors). Can someone please recommend a speaker stand that will work with these? Prefereably on the inexpensive side.

for your Center, look under ScreenDeck on Amazon or uMay
Edited by SanchoPanza - 5/9/13 at 1:35pm
post #22233 of 35284
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

jake you be....


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LOL! I think I was the model! But I played Drums for many years and I have a high frequency hearing loos from sitting in the back by all of the speakers I did not start using headphones until to late. Now I have to drive my system to enjoy which is to loud for everyone else. Hoping these speakers and system can give me the clarity I need a a lower volume.
post #22234 of 35284
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

for your Center, look under ScreenDeck on Amazon or uMay

Thanks, but I use a projector, and I'll be placing the center on top of the small table that houses the receiver, I was thinking of something for the other speakers. Or is everything just about equally good with these Klipsches as with other bookshelves?
post #22235 of 35284
yes was going nuts with my setup onyko tx nr 818 and klipsch
1st thinking had a bad receiver to start with then bad hdmi cables after swapping everything back n forth.
no I had a hearing problem for many years watching movies @ +5db which is quite loud and glad my speakers survived.
now I put my receiver @ -40db with a hearing aid I received and its digital
wow never sound so awesome!
post #22236 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

Read many threads and reviews of both the Crown and Emotiva XPA amps and there are trade-offs for both as you pointed out. Andrew Robinson's review in January was very supportive of using Crown amps for HT (he made the Crown his reference amp for the Tekton, also a high sensitive speaker) , as well as, a number of other folks on many of boards use the Crown as well for HT. Heat from the Crown has not been an issue as they run cool, certainly cooler than the AVR. For my needs, fan noise is not an issue since I have my AV rack/equipment in a back room. Higher noise to signal ratio and its effects was observed on the XLS 1000 however, the ratio for the XLS 2000 and 2500 is higher and this is less of an issue. Depends on one's goals. My goal is to get 6db+ more clearer sound (less distortion) for my mains at the least expensive price point. Do I think either amp changes the quality of sound for the better or for the worst, no. Just an opinion since I've only heard a setup with the Crown in a different environment than mine. Sorry for derailing this thread on Klipsch speakers.
hey rob ,i am so waiting to see what your take on using the crown xls 1000 or higher.i am running an onkyo 818 and it 's a monster,i am running rf-82 and rc 62 and rs 52 s .but i love power and tried a qsc 3 with a denon 3313 b4 the onkyo and returned the qsc and sold the denon 3313 did not like the sound at all .
the sound distorted at -25 db without the qsc and i really think the new denons are getting cheaper built that 's why i went onkyo ,your 4311 is solid ,
impossible to find at the onkyo price .
so even tho i have enough power for music and movies i am looking for a pair of klf-30 s or 20 s and that is why i want the crown .the qsc was sooooo loud
bcause of the fan.
post #22237 of 35284
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

yes was going nuts with my setup onyko tx nr 818 and klipsch
1st thinking had a bad receiver to start with then bad hdmi cables after swapping everything back n forth.
no I had a hearing problem for many years watching movies @ +5db which is quite loud and glad my speakers survived.
now I put my receiver @ -40db with a hearing aid I received and its digital
wow never sound so awesome!

Yes, people do not understand. Unfortunately the ast time I went a hearing aid would not help me. My hearing is almost perfect until it reaches a certain level then it drops off the charts! By having a high frequency loss mostly vocals and higher I cannot hear and a hearing aid amplifies all frequencies so it would not work fr me. I use an equalizer and bring up those frequencies to balance out my listening experience. Here's hoping my new Klipsch speakers will do the trick!
post #22238 of 35284
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Originally Posted by malmstump View Post

hey rob ,i am so waiting to see what your take on using the crown xls 1000 or higher.i am running an onkyo 818 and it 's a monster,i am running rf-82 and rc 62 and rs 52 s .but i love power and tried a qsc 3 with a denon 3313 b4 the onkyo and returned the qsc and sold the denon 3313 did not like the sound at all .
the sound distorted at -25 db without the qsc and i really think the new denons are getting cheaper built that 's why i went onkyo ,your 4311 is solid ,
impossible to find at the onkyo price .
so even tho i have enough power for music and movies i am looking for a pair of klf-30 s or 20 s and that is why i want the crown .the qsc was sooooo loud
bcause of the fan.

Hi maimstump,

I’ll definitely let you know how it goes with the Crown amp. The Crown XLS 2000 is scheduled for delivery on Saturday along with Speakon to banana plug speaker cables. Will not have a chance to begin break-in and play until after the weekend. I have Ascend Sierra Towers in a room that is approximately 3,700 cubic feet. I sit about 12-13 feet from my speakers and I’m noticing at around -13db sound starts heading south (based on my ears and not due to any tests, measurements or math to tell me when the Denon amps run out of steam for my environment).

Objective is to gain an additional 6db of cleaner sound with the amp. Nothing at stake other than shipping costs for return after 30 days of trying Crown out. I’ve not owned a hi-fi amp., thus, I can only compare to the Denon 4311. If the Crown doesn’t meet my needs I’ll move on to other options (i.e. Emotiva), including the possibility of putting money toward high sensitivity speakers for my home theater instead of an amplifier. I struggle with so many people stating they don’t hear a difference in sound, or very little difference, between different amplifiers within quite a large price range.
post #22239 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

Hi maimstump,

I’ll definitely let you know how it goes with the Crown amp. The Crown XLS 2000 is scheduled for delivery on Saturday along with Speakon to banana plug speaker cables. Will not have a chance to begin break-in and play until after the weekend. I have Ascend Sierra Towers in a room that is approximately 3,700 cubic feet. I sit about 12-13 feet from my speakers and I’m noticing at around -13db sound starts heading south (based on my ears and not due to any tests, measurements or math to tell me when the Denon amps run out of steam for my environment).

Objective is to gain an additional 6db of cleaner sound with the amp. Nothing at stake other than shipping costs for return after 30 days of trying Crown out. I’ve not owned a hi-fi amp., thus, I can only compare to the Denon 4311. If the Crown doesn’t meet my needs I’ll move on to other options (i.e. Emotiva), including the possibility of putting money toward high sensitivity speakers for my home theater instead of an amplifier. I struggle with so many people stating they don’t hear a difference in sound, or very little difference, between different amplifiers within quite a large price range.

nicely put rob you 're very detailed ,well the sierra ascend are 89 db -92 db {Typical In-Room Frequency Response: 34 Hz to 27 kHz (±3dB)
In-Room Sensitivity: 92dB @ 2.83v / 1 meter
Frequency Response (Anechoic): 41 Hz to 28 kHz (±3dB)
Sensitivity (Anechoic): 89dB/W/m
Minimum Impedance: 4 ohms
Minimum Recommended Power: 25 watts
Maximum Continuous Power (unclipped peaks): 300 watts}
might not be klipsch sensitive ,but i am sure they sound good from the few professional reviews i just read.
i know you have a need of upping the headroom and sound by 6 db to your setup ,the crown will probably be a very solid choice ,you should
try ithe crown with your speakers ,then maybe change to klipsch .we are all biased because we love our klipsch ,they play louder as you know .
i am also in pursuit of adding external amp to my onkyo 818 just because i really want ear bleeding levels of +18 db lol just kidding man,
maybe so i can listen at + 10 db level but not all the time and still have head room with my future klf-30 that i am chasing .
truth is fast slappy is right ,klipsch speakers although sensitive they always love more power,as we all want right? we all can't wait to have friends over
so we can turn it up and impress them...... i know you have an itch ,we all do that's why i wake up and search cl every day for klf-30 and probably other older klipsch later .
can't wait to see your opinion with the crown rob ........
post #22240 of 35284
Ok I have been on a hunt for the perfect speaker. I wanted something lively, punchy, dynamic, and bright and Klipsch was the most recommended to me. I didn't like the Pioneer's and the laid back sound of Energy wasn't for me.

I found a pair of Klipsch RB-61 II's for $300 from an authorized dealer. How much of an increase over the RB-41's can I expect? Since I'm in a small room would I notice the difference? And would a larger speaker need to be pushed to higher volumes for the details to come out? Lastly, what about mixing a RC-42 or RC-52 center with the RB-61?
post #22241 of 35284
can't help with the 61's, but, I have the RC42II, wish I'd bought the RC62II, but, the 42 really came to life when I took it out of the cabinet & placed it above the tv
post #22242 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Ok I have been on a hunt for the perfect speaker. I wanted something lively, punchy, dynamic, and bright and Klipsch was the most recommended to me. I didn't like the Pioneer's and the laid back sound of Energy wasn't for me.

I found a pair of Klipsch RB-61 II's for $300 from an authorized dealer. How much of an increase over the RB-41's can I expect? Since I'm in a small room would I notice the difference? And would a larger speaker need to be pushed to higher volumes for the details to come out? Lastly, what about mixing a RC-42 or RC-52 center with the RB-61?

Each step up gives a fuller sound.
The RB-61 IMO is a significant step up from the RB-41.
You do not have to play the large speakers louder than the small ones to get the same clarity.
post #22243 of 35284
Great thanks. Now what about mixing the RC-52 with the RB-61? I think I read somewhere about some of the references using different tweeters but I'm not sure about that. Well anyway do they mix well because $500 for the RC-62 center is kinda steep?
post #22244 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Great thanks. Now what about mixing the RC-52 with the RB-61? I think I read somewhere about some of the references using different tweeters but I'm not sure about that. Well anyway do they mix well because $500 for the RC-62 center is kinda steep?
The RC-52 will mix well with those 61's. I owned the RC-52 before I stepped up to the 62. You can get the 62 on Ebay for 394.00 just so you know. I would advise the 62 if you can afford it. Much fuller sound. Good luck!
post #22245 of 35284
great prices at the egg again

think I will add a pair of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780027 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780026 and use my rb 61s for the highs
post #22246 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

Hi maimstump,

I’ll definitely let you know how it goes with the Crown amp. The Crown XLS 2000 is scheduled for delivery on Saturday along with Speakon to banana plug speaker cables. Will not have a chance to begin break-in and play until after the weekend. I have Ascend Sierra Towers in a room that is approximately 3,700 cubic feet. I sit about 12-13 feet from my speakers and I’m noticing at around -13db sound starts heading south (based on my ears and not due to any tests, measurements or math to tell me when the Denon amps run out of steam for my environment).

Objective is to gain an additional 6db of cleaner sound with the amp. Nothing at stake other than shipping costs for return after 30 days of trying Crown out. I’ve not owned a hi-fi amp., thus, I can only compare to the Denon 4311. If the Crown doesn’t meet my needs I’ll move on to other options (i.e. Emotiva), including the possibility of putting money toward high sensitivity speakers for my home theater instead of an amplifier. I struggle with so many people stating they don’t hear a difference in sound, or very little difference, between different amplifiers within quite a large price range.[/quot

Question, when you talk about adding an amp is this just for the mains? How are you connecting it to say a 7.2 system?
post #22247 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

I've read that since Klipsch speakers are so efficient, they won't benefit from an amp.

I ran a Yamaha receiver for years and loved it but speakers seemed to scream at me when played loud. When I bought a power amp and processor it was like I got a new set of speakers. Night and day difference for me. The biggest benefit has been the increased detail in what Im now hearing. The soundstage has come to life, is more forward and multi dimensional. Before it was a flat wall of sound. Speakers dont scream at higher volumes anymore either but equally as impressive when played at lower volumes. All up a massive change for the better. Many have stated this already just add me to the list.
post #22248 of 35284
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Originally Posted by jake608 View Post

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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

Hi maimstump,

I’ll definitely let you know how it goes with the Crown amp. The Crown XLS 2000 is scheduled for delivery on Saturday along with Speakon to banana plug speaker cables. Will not have a chance to begin break-in and play until after the weekend. I have Ascend Sierra Towers in a room that is approximately 3,700 cubic feet. I sit about 12-13 feet from my speakers and I’m noticing at around -13db sound starts heading south (based on my ears and not due to any tests, measurements or math to tell me when the Denon amps run out of steam for my environment).

Objective is to gain an additional 6db of cleaner sound with the amp. Nothing at stake other than shipping costs for return after 30 days of trying Crown out. I’ve not owned a hi-fi amp., thus, I can only compare to the Denon 4311. If the Crown doesn’t meet my needs I’ll move on to other options (i.e. Emotiva), including the possibility of putting money toward high sensitivity speakers for my home theater instead of an amplifier. I struggle with so many people stating they don’t hear a difference in sound, or very little difference, between different amplifiers within quite a large price range.[/quot

Question, when you talk about adding an amp is this just for the mains? How are you connecting it to say a 7.2 system?

Right now, I'll experiment with 1 Crown for the mains only. The Crwon XLS series only has 2 channels. I'll listen in stereo mode for the mains, as well as, when I have my 5.1 system going in other modes, the Crown will drive the mains and the Denon will drive the Center and surrounds (lessen the load on the Denon). Over time, if I like the performance of the Crown, I'll go back for another to drive the center speaker. I'm figuring the Denon will cover me for the surrounds.
post #22249 of 35284
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Originally Posted by AJ72 View Post

I ran a Yamaha receiver for years and loved it but speakers seemed to scream at me when played loud. When I bought a power amp and processor it was like I got a new set of speakers. Night and day difference for me. The biggest benefit has been the increased detail in what Im now hearing. The soundstage has come to life, is more forward and multi dimensional. Before it was a flat wall of sound. Speakers dont scream at higher volumes anymore either but equally as impressive when played at lower volumes. All up a massive change for the better. Many have stated this already just add me to the list.
Amazing stuff. Many more have said that it made no real difference so good for you that the difference was so huge. What sort of processor did you get? What kind of speakers and avr do you have?
Edited by Bond 007 - 5/11/13 at 9:59am
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Wow I am about to fall into the barrel that I'm standing over on this subject. I was even on the phone with an Emotiva rep early in the week and was that close to going for it. I knew the Emotiva rep was going to try to sell me on the Xpa3 but I also thought there would be some consensus on the subject on this site. It's mostly subjective I guess.

Hey, that's what the return period is for.
post #22251 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

Wow I am about to fall into the barrel that I'm standing over on this subject. I was even on the phone with an Emotiva rep early in the week and was that close to going for it. I knew the Emotiva rep was going to try to sell me on the Xpa3 but I also thought there would be some consensus on the subject on this site. It's mostly subjective I guess.

Hey, that's what the return period is for.

I've been researching/reading about amplifiers for 6 months now. With the amount of brands/products, classes of technology, specification details (power output, s/n ratio, damping factor, power supply info., power requirements, etc.) and the millions of different opinions about the importance (or lack thereof) of an amp on the sound, its enough to drive anyone insane. I figured give me the amp that is relatively affordable and weighs the least so I can pack up and return. My back was aching just thinking about hauling a heavy box down to my basement and my wallet was crying at the thought.

Something to be said for very high sensitive speakers. Listened to a JTR Noesis a few weeks ago, Driven without an external amp and played effortlessly way above reference. No distortion that my ears could pick up in a huge room, sound was clean and very dynamic without fuss. I've not listened to Klipsch, however, based on the specs., the high sensitivity looks great.
Edited by Rob from NJ - 5/11/13 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

Wow I am about to fall into the barrel that I'm standing over on this subject. I was even on the phone with an Emotiva rep early in the week and was that close to going for it. I knew the Emotiva rep was going to try to sell me on the Xpa3 but I also thought there would be some consensus on the subject on this site. It's mostly subjective I guess.

Hey, that's what the return period is for.
Heres my 2 cents on the whole amp subject. I think benefits of running an amp would depend on driver size and how many speakers your using in your setup. My belief is if your running anything under 6.5 in drivers and 5.1 setup then you wouldnt benefit from an external amp. I think once you move up to the RF82ii's and 7.1 then you would benefit from an amp. My Denon has 125 watts x 7 and it has no problem running what I have in my sig to rip roaring levels. Granted running 5 speakers its pushing around 85 watts per channel. I have no problems with clipping or distortion at reference levels. Then again this is just my opinion. Prime I believe you wouldnt benefit in an amp with your setup.
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Heres my 2 cents on the whole amp subject. I think benefits of running an amp would depend on driver size and how many speakers your using in your setup. My belief is if your running anything under 6.5 in drivers and 5.1 setup then you wouldnt benefit from an external amp. I think once you move up to the RF82ii's and 7.1 then you would benefit from an amp. My Denon has 125 watts x 7 and it has no problem running what I have in my sig to rip roaring levels. Granted running 5 speakers its pushing around 85 watts per channel. I have no problems with clipping or distortion at reference levels. Then again this is just my opinion. Prime I believe you wouldnt benefit in an amp with your setup.
Agreed. Most people dont hear any real difference from my experience. Sometimes people think they can tell a small difference (placebo?). It is very rare that someone goes "wow". But a lot has to do with what you are starting with and what you get. Thats why I would like to know what kind of equipment AJ72 has and what he purchased to make a "night and day" difference. The fact that he says that it is equally impressive at low volume makes me skeptical. How can adding more watts make your speakers sound completely different at low volume? Forget the "clean power" stuff. Thats bogus especially at low volume. Im most interested in what he means by getting a different processor. There may be something there.
Edited by Bond 007 - 5/11/13 at 10:16am
post #22254 of 35284
Good stuff!!

Room treatments should probably be next step anyhow. My system has no lack of power.
post #22255 of 35284
purchased a pair of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780027&IsVirtualParent=1 + $30.00 off promo code BOOSTTHIRTY = $329.98.
Will add photos to my profile when I set them up for my fronts and use my rb 61 for front highs...biggrin.gif
post #22256 of 35284
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Amazing stuff. Many more have said that it made no real difference so good for you that the difference was so huge. What sort of processor did you get? What kind of speakers and avr do you have?

Equipment as requested (see below). I think that the processor has probably given the system the biggest increase in sound quality. I still have the old AVR and did much testing as I mentioned. I didnt try the new processor with the old Yamaha AVR though. Might try this just for interest. When I described lower volumes I guess I meant more moderate listening levels (medium).

Power Amplifier: Elektra Theatron 7 (7 channels, 185watts/channel, Australian made amplifier)
Processor: Rotel RSP 1570
Mains: Klipsch KG 5.5
Centre: Klipsch KV-3
Rears: Klipsch KG 4.2

The amp is solid state and I enjoy two channel playback as much as movies with this setup. Previously with my old setup movies were good but two channel was fairly uninspring. I now listen to a lot more music but to be fair my AVR was thirteen years old and owed me nothing.
post #22257 of 35284
nice speakers, AJ72!!! biggrin.gif are your mains bi-amped, or, do you also have Surround Backs? cool.gif
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Nice indeed. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

purchased a pair of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780027&IsVirtualParent=1 + $30.00 off promo code BOOSTTHIRTY = $329.98.
Will add photos to my profile when I set them up for my fronts and use my rb 61 for front highs...biggrin.gif

You'll love them. I have the F30s and am very happy.
post #22260 of 35284
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Originally Posted by cchunter View Post

Heres my 2 cents on the whole amp subject. I think benefits of running an amp would depend on driver size and how many speakers your using in your setup. My belief is if your running anything under 6.5 in drivers and 5.1 setup then you wouldnt benefit from an external amp. I think once you move up to the RF82ii's and 7.1 then you would benefit from an amp. My Denon has 125 watts x 7 and it has no problem running what I have in my sig to rip roaring levels. Granted running 5 speakers its pushing around 85 watts per channel. I have no problems with clipping or distortion at reference levels. Then again this is just my opinion. Prime I believe you wouldnt benefit in an amp with your setup.
What makes you think a speaker's size influences how much power it needs ?
The RF-82 is rated at 98dB & the RF-52 is rated at 96dB @ 2.83V / 1m.... The RF-52 needs more power to play at the same volume level as the RF-82.
How did you figure out your current setup is using 85 watts per channel ?
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