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post #22261 of 35426
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

nice speakers, AJ72!!! biggrin.gif are your mains bi-amped, or, do you also have Surround Backs? cool.gif

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post #22262 of 35426
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

What makes you think a speaker's size influences how much power it needs ?
The RF-82 is rated at 98dB & the RF-52 is rated at 96dB @ 2.83V / 1m.... The RF-52 needs more power to play at the same volume level as the RF-82.
How did you figure out your current setup is using 85 watts per channel ?
Denon AVR-3312CI A/V Receiver HT Labs Measures


HT Labs Measures
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 122.9 watts
1% distortion at 143.3 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 82.9 watts
1% distortion at 103.0 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 79.5 watts
1% distortion at 96.8 watts

Sorry its running 82.9 watts with 5 channels driven. From my understanding it would take more power for a bigger driver to sound better dynamically. Would you like a 50 watt amp driving RF7ii's or a 200 watt amp? Which would sound better at reference levels? Kind of a no brainer question dont ya think?
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Originally Posted by shocker View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

nice speakers, AJ72!!! biggrin.gif are your mains bi-amped, or, do you also have Surround Backs? cool.gif

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post #22264 of 35426
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

What makes you think a speaker's size influences how much power it needs ?
The RF-82 is rated at 98dB & the RF-52 is rated at 96dB @ 2.83V / 1m.... The RF-52 needs more power to play at the same volume level as the RF-82.
How did you figure out your current setup is using 85 watts per channel ?
As speaker (driver would be more accurate) size increases often times power needs also increase. Its simple physics. But, as you have noted, that is not always the case.
post #22265 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

As speaker (driver would be more accurate) size increases often times power needs also increase. Its simple physics. But, as you have noted, that is not always the case.

It takes more power to drive bigger displacement drivers.
post #22266 of 35426
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Originally Posted by shocker View Post

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Thanks Sancho. No biamping or surround backs (yet). The speakers still sound as good today as they did fourteen years ago when I bought them. Only now they sound incredible! I recently upgraded a few other things including a JTR Captivator subwoofer and the KG4.2 rears and both these changes along with the amp additions have put me into HiFi Nirvana. I had planned on buying a motorbike but am so glad I didnt as I might not be around to write this thread! I am a Klipsch lover and will probably never buy anything else in my lifetime.
post #22267 of 35426
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Originally Posted by cchunter View Post

Heres my 2 cents on the whole amp subject. I think benefits of running an amp would depend on driver size and how many speakers your using in your setup. My belief is if your running anything under 6.5 in drivers and 5.1 setup then you wouldnt benefit from an external amp. I think once you move up to the RF82ii's and 7.1 then you would benefit from an amp. My Denon has 125 watts x 7 and it has no problem running what I have in my sig to rip roaring levels. Granted running 5 speakers its pushing around 85 watts per channel. I have no problems with clipping or distortion at reference levels. Then again this is just my opinion. Prime I believe you wouldnt benefit in an amp with your setup.

I disagree with the reasoning, but agree with the end result.

If driver size has much to do with amplifier requirements, it more likely to go the other way around. The larger driver will be more sensitive, and thus require less power to reach the same SPL. Of course if you go very small, then you are likely to run it as small with a high crossover frequency, and then power requirements vanish.

By that reasoning, you'd need huge amps to drive Klipschorns or Cornwalls with their 15-inch driver; you don't.

Amplifier requirement is, in my opinion, mostly driven by impedance curve and sensitivity. Very low sensitivity? You'll need more power to reach the same SPL. Very low impedance? You'll need more current to reach the same power output. Even at low levels, low-impedance speakers (or with complex loads) may sound thin with some receivers.

As for pushing 85 watts per channel, I believe the question was that it might be the capability of your receiver, but how do you know if you are using all of it or part of it? Are you maxing out your volume dial? I just need a few Watts to reach reference...
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

It takes more power to drive bigger displacement drivers.

To louder volumes, maybe. But not to the same volume.
post #22269 of 35426

Horns suck

 

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post #22270 of 35426
would of picked the f30s there not much more in price,only reason the f30s are 150watt rms and my receiver is 135watt, I always heard to get speakers under your receiver watts.
post #22271 of 35426
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

would of picked the f30s there not much more in price,only reason the f30s are 150watt rms and my receiver is 135watt, I always heard to get speakers under your receiver watts.

Who did you hear that from? I don't think either number really means much overall. Just marketing things. How much of that power at what bandwidth and with how much distortion is much more telling. A amp that's rated for 135 watts at 1 khz at 0.5% distortion vs. an amp that's rated at 100 watts at 20-20khz @ 0.05% distortion. I know which I would pick every time.
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

, I always heard to get speakers under your receiver watts.
You have been misled. Its not nearly that simple.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You have been misled. Its not nearly that simple.

Darn thanks I been reading all that BS on the web if you get speakers over your wattage receiver it can cause clipping.
I can't cancel my f20s cause there on billmelater a credit limit of $500 and if I cancel I won't be able to purchase the f30s I would have to wait for a credit and the f30s won't be on sale probably later.
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You have been misled. Its not nearly that simple.

Darn thanks I been reading all that BS on the web if you get speakers over your wattage receiver it can cause clipping.
I can't cancel my f20s cause there on billmelater a credit limit of $500 and if I cancel I won't be able to purchase the f30s I would have to wait for a credit and the f30s won't be on sale probably later.

Don't regret, you'll be very happy with the 20s.
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  I purchased a pair of version one CF-4's that have the oak finish and I plan on using Duratex to paint them a tough textured black.  I thought I would ask if anyone has a black set that would want to trade for my near mint Oak pair.  Just thought I would ask since there might be someone on the forum that has a black set that always wanted an oak set instead.
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How would you guys compare the Synergy F20s to the Icon VF-36s? Do you think it would be a worthy upgrade from the 36s to the F20s?
http://www.klipsch.com/vf-36-floorstanding-speaker

http://www.klipsch.com/f-20-floorstanding-speaker

The F20s are on sale for $180 at Newegg.
Edited by Bond 007 - 5/14/13 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

How would you guys compare the Synergy F20s to the Icon VF-36s? Do you think it would be a worthy upgrade from the 36s to the F20s?
http://www.klipsch.com/vf-36-floorstanding-speaker

http://www.klipsch.com/f-20-floorstanding-speaker

The F20s are on sale for $180 at Newegg.

I would purchase over the Icon series. I auditioned both when deciding on my setup a year ago and preferred the synergy series. I went with the F30, but i doubt the difference is noticeable. I also compared them with the middle reference series speakers, i think the 62 II and couldn't tell a difference. Great speakers for the price.

As to the 36, i can't say, never heard them.
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

I would purchase over the Icon series. I auditioned both when deciding on my setup a year ago and preferred the synergy series. I went with the F30, but i doubt the difference is noticeable. I also compared them with the middle reference series speakers, i think the 62 II and couldn't tell a difference. Great speakers for the price.

As to the 36, i can't say, never heard them.
Thx. Problem is I own the 36s. If it wasnt for that I would definitely get the F20s. But replacing the 36s with 20s is a different story. I would have to sell the 36s for a loss and get the 20s. Im wondering if the difference would be worth it.
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I see that the F20s have a compression driven tweeter while I dont think the VF36 does.
The F20 has IMG bass drivers and the 36 does not.
F20 has polypropylene bass drivers vs paper for the 36.
I believe the 20 has an updated (better?) crossover.
The 20s have a "linear travel suspension" (whatever that is).
The 36s do have 3 woofers vs only 2 on the 20s but I dont know how much that really matters. I would rather have 2 superior woofers than 3 inferior ones.
I have no doubt the 20s are better speakers but are they worth the trouble as an upgrade? I cant go listen to them so are there any owners with an opinion?
Other than jconjason. Thx to you again. smile.gif
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Does anyone have any active discount codes other than the one in the email ad?
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Is this Synergy F20 is similar to JBL 180?

at least, the specification is so close, and they are from the same company.
post #22282 of 35426
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Is this Synergy F20 is similar to JBL 180?

at least, the specification is so close, and they are from the same company.

Klipsch and JBL are not related in any way, shape or form.

JBL is a Harman Intl Company and Klipsch is owned by Audiovox.
post #22283 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Thx. Problem is I own the 36s. If it wasnt for that I would definitely get the F20s. But replacing the 36s with 20s is a different story. I would have to sell the 36s for a loss and get the 20s. Im wondering if the difference would be worth it.
I owned the F10's before I upgraded to the Reference series. I really liked them and sold them to a coworker which he really likes as well. I would def get the F20's over the 36's IMO.
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Originally Posted by superedge88 View Post

  I purchased a pair of version one CF-4's that have the oak finish and I plan on using Duratex to paint them a tough textured black.  I thought I would ask if anyone has a black set that would want to trade for my near mint Oak pair.  Just thought I would ask since there might be someone on the forum that has a black set that always wanted an oak set instead.

How times have changed. You have a real wood veneer finish, something that almost no longer exists in speakers below 2K$ a pair, and you want to paint over it?
Please visit the Klipsch forum and offer a trade there in the Garage Sale section of the forum.
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Originally Posted by cchunter View Post

I owned the F10's before I upgraded to the Reference series. I really liked them and sold them to a coworker which he really likes as well. I would def get the F20's over the 36's IMO.
Thx. I appreciate it. Have you heard the VF36s?
post #22286 of 35426
Picked up a decent pair of HERESY II today; Walnut Oiled; they are serving as my Surround Fronts just now. Black grilles, sweet sound!

In-expensive & very affordable too. ;-)
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Originally Posted by coytee View Post

Horns suck

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I read once that they are "honky."
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Picked up a decent pair of HERESY II today; Walnut Oiled; they are serving as my Surround Fronts just now. Black grilles, sweet sound!

In-expensive & very affordable too. ;-)


They wouldn't happen to be the ones that were on craigslist in mandeville? If so i sure missed out on that deal.
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Originally Posted by fast00 View Post

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Picked up a decent pair of HERESY II today; Walnut Oiled; they are serving as my Surround Fronts just now. Black grilles, sweet sound!

In-expensive & very affordable too. ;-)


They wouldn't happen to be the ones that were on craigslist in mandeville? If so i sure missed out on that deal.

"Thar she blows!!!" There were also $600.00 La Scalas in Rustin I passed along to someone else. PM me if you wanna compare notes. Ref NO Klipsch
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

How times have changed. You have a real wood veneer finish, something that almost no longer exists in speakers below 2K$ a pair, and you want to paint over it?
Please visit the Klipsch forum and offer a trade there in the Garage Sale section of the forum.

I already did post it on klipsch forum. not a single bite yet. I just hate the look of brown.
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