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post #22411 of 35205
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

So a very nice Aunt of mind will be giving me her old stereo system which is a Klipsch Rf- surround system. including towers,center rears and sub. I was actually looking to get a set of RC-62 and RF-82 for a front stage. I want to go 7.2 for the extra two speakers I would either add front highs or front L/R. Would the new Reference line (Rf-82's for front, or RB-81's for front highs work with the older RF-3 speakers?
What exactly are the model #s of all the speakers you have?
post #22412 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

What exactly are the model #s of all the speakers you have?

I dont know off hand, I get them Thursday. I will update the post then.
post #22413 of 35205
I was looking for a replacement for my 10 year old JVC home cinema system. I went to some Hi-fi shops in Rotterdam (the Netherlands) and quickly came to the conclusion that the Klipsch reference series was the best choice for their priceclass. I listened to a set of RF-62 II's and was very impressed. So I did some researching to complete the set with rear speakers and a center speaker.

The lovely wife (nag nag) demanded that the rear speakers would be the smallest size possible, because she doesn't like them hanging in the living room. I listen to music and watch movies about 50/50, so I wasn't too much worried about a smaller sized rear speaker. The center speaker will be placed under my TV. I don't have space in my furniture for it. The largest possible size would be the RC-42II. Hanging the center speaker up higher isn't an option, because I have a projector screen above my television.

So basically I went with:

RF-62II
RC-42II
RS-41II

When I went to order my set, I saw that the RF-82II was only 10 euro's more expensive than the RF-62II's... I ordered those instead, because of the minor price difference. It was probably a pricing mistake on the website, because they have now corrected the pricing and the 82's are now 70 euros a piece more. But I allready ordered and paid, so I guess I will be getting my 82's for a very sweet deal. But looking at the rears and the center, I realize that they don't perfectly match .

RF-82II
RC-42II
RS-41II

Can I expect flaws/imperfections when watching movies? Or can I still get decent sound out of this combo? I'd hate to have to downgrade the RF82 II's because of this. Especially because I got them in a sweet deal and I listen to stereo music a lot.

The rest of my gear:

Onky TX-NR616 - receiver
Klipsch RW-10D- Sub
Epson TW-EH2900 - projector
Edited by dj41 - 5/29/13 at 2:59am
post #22414 of 35205
dj41, congratulations on the nice system, & picking up a deal on the 82s!!! Think you'll notice no problems with that combination.

It is good that the RC-42II will not fit in your furniture. When I took mine out, the center came alive.
post #22415 of 35205
Audyssey 2EQ should help everything blend together. Have you considered using Audussey DSX to run Height or Wide speakers instead of rear surrounds?

We've found we get better sound with Heights (tall ceiling); but, also get better sound with Wides than with Surround Back.

You might be able to better hide the surrounds that way, too, & keep the wife happier! Maybe even later upgrade the Heights or Wides to 62s, or even 82s.
post #22416 of 35205
Are you running 5.1 or 7.1?
post #22417 of 35205
I am running 5.1 and I'm not planning to upgrade to 7.1. My living room isn't that big (5m by 5,5m) and I cannot place any speaker behind the couch, because the couch is against the wall.

Like I said, I had a JVC HT system for the last 10 years, so it's save to say that I am a newby with speaker placement and the options that go with it. I thought that this combo would do the job. But any advice is welcome.
post #22418 of 35205
So, your RS-41IIs will be side wall mounted?
post #22419 of 35205
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Originally Posted by dj41 View Post

I am running 5.1 and I'm not planning to upgrade to 7.1. My living room isn't that big (5m by 5,5m) and I cannot place any speaker behind the couch, because the couch is against the wall.

Like I said, I had a JVC HT system for the last 10 years, so it's save to say that I am a newby with speaker placement and the options that go with it. I thought that this combo would do the job. But any advice is welcome.
That combo will certainly do the job. But if you have a 7.1 receiver you can add a couple of inexpensive speakers for 7.1 and it will be helpful. Front heights would probably be best especially since you dont have room in the back.
post #22420 of 35205
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

So, your RS-41IIs will be side wall mounted?

Yes. I have made a drawing in paint. (I have mad paint skills, haha). It's in dutch, but I think you'll get the idea....

post #22421 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

That combo will certainly do the job. But if you have a 7.1 receiver you can add a couple of inexpensive speakers for 7.1 and it will be helpful. Front heights would probably be best especially since you dont have room in the back.

I will look into that later on. When my wife has gotten used to the new "invasion" in her living room. :-)
post #22422 of 35205
Good, very good. Later, she might warm up to Heights, once she's used to the invasion. After that, maybe a 2nd SW.
post #22423 of 35205
Dj, congrats on the new purchase! The RF-82 are very capable speakers. IMO, they are the best bang for your buck in the Reference Series.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with the others in regards to the RC-42ii being a good match for the RF-82ii. I once heard the RC-52 paired with the RF-82's and it really struggled keeping up with the RF-82's. I'm just not sure how the RC-42 is going to manage. Then again, I've never been fond of 4" drivers either. That's just a personal preference.

Am I understanding that the TV will be sitting on top of the center channel speaker and not inside the furniture? You mention the largest you can go is the RC-42ii. Just curious what limitations you have for not being able to go with a larger center. If you can swing the RC-62ii, it's an absolutely fantastic center and is voice matched to the RC-82ii. Keep in mind the majority of everything that happens on screen will be played through your center channel speaker. This is not the speaker that you want to cut corners on. The surrounds aren't near as important. I think the RS-41ii will work well.

With that said, even if you are not able to upgrade the center beyond the RC-42ii, you still will have a system that likely rivals most people that you know. smile.gif Once you get it all setup, let us know your thoughts.
post #22424 of 35205
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

Dj, congrats on the new purchase! The RF-82 are very capable speakers. IMO, they are the best bang for your buck in the Reference Series.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with the others in regards to the RC-42ii being a good match for the RF-82ii. I once heard the RC-52 paired with the RF-82's and it really struggled keeping up with the RF-82's. I'm just not sure how the RC-42 is going to manage. Then again, I've never been fond of 4" drivers either. That's just a personal preference.

Am I understanding that the TV will be sitting on top of the center channel speaker and not inside the furniture? You mention the largest you can go is the RC-42ii. Just curious what limitations you have for not being able to go with a larger center. If you can swing the RC-62ii, it's an absolutely fantastic center and is voice matched to the RC-82ii. Keep in mind the majority of everything that happens on screen will be played through your center channel speaker. This is not the speaker that you want to cut corners on. The surrounds aren't near as important. I think the RS-41ii will work well.

With that said, even if you are not able to upgrade the center beyond the RC-42ii, you still will have a system that likely rivals most people that you know. smile.gif Once you get it all setup, let us know your thoughts.

It's hard to put into words. I think I will post a picture later so that I can explain it better. My TV is wallmounted above a buffet or China cabinet (yes I used a translator for these words. We in The Netherlands call it a "Dressoir"). There is little space between the china cabinet and the TV. The center speaker will be placed on top of the china cabinet. If I place anything bigger than the RC-42II, I will block the actual TV screen.
Edited by dj41 - 5/29/13 at 6:38am
post #22425 of 35205
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

I once heard the RC-52 paired with the RF-82's and it really struggled keeping up with the RF-82's. I'm just not sure how the RC-42 is going to manage.
May I know what's the meaning of a speaker struggles to keep up with another speaker? Is it about the loudness (which can be trimmed and make all equal in AVR)? I've heard many pros talking about this term before but I still don't understand. Could you please clarify it?
post #22426 of 35205
I think it's probably about the dynamics and presence of the speaker. (But that's my guess)
post #22427 of 35205
The RC 42's and 52's just aren't the matching centers. You need an RC-62 at the very least.
post #22428 of 35205
I say go with what Youthman says, I've little experience with the Reference line.
post #22429 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

May I know what's the meaning of a speaker struggles to keep up with another speaker? Is it about the loudness (which can be trimmed and make all equal in AVR)? I've heard many pros talking about this term before but I still don't understand. Could you please clarify it?

Struggling to keep up means that one speaker won't be able to perform as well as another speaker. The RF-82 II has 2-8" woofers and has a sensitivity of 98db. The RC-42 II has 2-4" woofers and a sensitivity of 95db. Right off the bat, you have to double the power into the center channel to play as loud as the main speakers. You lose the ability to get full performance from the mains. With the RC-62 II, you get 2-6.5" woofers with a sensitivity of 98db that can play as loud as the mains with no loss of performance.
post #22430 of 35205
Does not Audyssey adjust for these differences?
post #22431 of 35205
Wondering if I should buy rb-41 or rs-41 for the surrounds of a 5.1 system in a small to medium size apt in Chicago. The couch will be against the rear wall with the surrounds side mounted at the rear ends of the couch since no room behind. Thanks
post #22432 of 35205
That makes sense. Thx for the additional clarification. We all have limitations we have to work within, even if we have a dedicated home theater.
post #22433 of 35205
The others are correct...my statement regarding that it cannot keep up is mainly in reference to the "size" and dynamics of the sound. To my ears, the RC-52 sounded very thin and weak in comparison to the RF-82's which sounded very nice. Dialogue was not as detailed and clear as the mains were. I just can only imagine if the RC-52 was unimpressive, the RC-42 would be similar in results.
post #22434 of 35205
I understand that it's not as ideal as could be. But I hope there is a long road between "not a perfect match" and "sounds like crap". I will post my experiences when I got everything connected and tested. I the wordt case scenario I can send it back and buy a bigger one. I just have to solve the puzzle where I could put it.
post #22435 of 35205
For your sake, I hope I'm wrong. Who knows, maybe the setup I demoed in the BB store was not calibrated at all, levels could have been off....lot of factors that could have contributed to what I heard. Definitely post your thoughts after you get it setup. Hopefully it will blow you away.
post #22436 of 35205
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Originally Posted by auceny View Post

Wondering if I should buy rb-41 or rs-41 for the surrounds of a 5.1 system in a small to medium size apt in Chicago. The couch will be against the rear wall with the surrounds side mounted at the rear ends of the couch since no room behind. Thanks

I would go with the RS line as they diffuse sound and will give you what seems like a larger soundstage.
post #22437 of 35205
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Does not Audyssey adjust for these differences?

Audessy will adjust all speakers to match one another. That means reducing the level to the 82's to match the smaller speakers. Hence, reducing the performance of the 82's.

I had to cut back the level to my Chorus II's to match the output of my Academy. I just did a manual version of Audessy.
post #22438 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

I would go with the RS line as they diffuse sound and will give you what seems like a larger soundstage.

I am in the same boat. Back wall seating is up against the wall. I will be going with RS-62's.
post #22439 of 35205
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Originally Posted by dj41 View Post

I understand that it's not as ideal as could be. But I hope there is a long road between "not a perfect match" and "sounds like crap". I will post my experiences when I got everything connected and tested. I the wordt case scenario I can send it back and buy a bigger one. I just have to solve the puzzle where I could put it.

Sorry to say, but I got my money on sounding like crap. The center speaker is the most important speaker of your system. Get the biggest you can afford. In this case, it will be the RC-62 II.
post #22440 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

I would go with the RS line as they diffuse sound and will give you what seems like a larger soundstage.

Can you use the rs-41 with speaker stands? I'm not sure if I'll be allowed to wall mount or not in the apartment.
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