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post #22441 of 35276
I noticed the shop didn't ship my order yet. I took a ruler and measured. It's going to be tight, but the RC-52II might just fit... So I sent them an email asking to hold the order, so I can upgrade the RC-42II for a RC-52II. I know the RC-62II would be better, but that is just too large for me to place.
post #22442 of 35276
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Originally Posted by auceny View Post

Can you use the rs-41 with speaker stands? I'm not sure if I'll be allowed to wall mount or not in the apartment.

The bottom is flat so a stand works.
post #22443 of 35276
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

Dj, congrats on the new purchase! The RF-82 are very capable speakers. IMO, they are the best bang for your buck in the Reference Series.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with the others in regards to the RC-42ii being a good match for the RF-82ii. I once heard the RC-52 paired with the RF-82's and it really struggled keeping up with the RF-82's. I'm just not sure how the RC-42 is going to manage. Then again, I've never been fond of 4" drivers either. That's just a personal preference.

Am I understanding that the TV will be sitting on top of the center channel speaker and not inside the furniture? You mention the largest you can go is the RC-42ii. Just curious what limitations you have for not being able to go with a larger center. If you can swing the RC-62ii, it's an absolutely fantastic center and is voice matched to the RC-82ii. Keep in mind the majority of everything that happens on screen will be played through your center channel speaker. This is not the speaker that you want to cut corners on. The surrounds aren't near as important. I think the RS-41ii will work well.

With that said, even if you are not able to upgrade the center beyond the RC-42ii, you still will have a system that likely rivals most people that you know. smile.gif Once you get it all setup, let us know your thoughts.

I have a mint Black RC-62 that is for sale PM me if interested . I purchased it new in 2010 when the RC-62II came out. Sounded great with RF-7 fronts(sold them) now I have my Cornwalls for fronts and I like the older C7 center(center for Klipsch KLF10/20/30 towers) with the two 8" woofers and 10" horn mate better with these older Cornwallls. I purchased a Phenolic diaphgram to replace the stock poly so the C7 matches my Cornwall Phenolic diaphragms in the horns. The RC-62 sounds really close and looks just like the RC-62II as I had a RC-42 that I took in a equipment trade last year and sold it too. The RC-62 has a better tone for the voices at loud volume then the RC-42. It seems to me the bigger the horn and the two woofers, the better the voice will sound for the center for HT Bluray use.
post #22444 of 35276
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Audessy will adjust all speakers to match one another. That means reducing the level to the 82's to match the smaller speakers. Hence, reducing the performance of the 82's.
Why would adjusting the loudness level/SPL affect the performance? Would you say playing at a lower volume reduce the audio quality?
post #22445 of 35276
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

Why would adjusting the loudness level/SPL affect the performance? Would you say playing at a lower volume reduce the audio quality?

Audessy will match the level of all speakers and set the trim accordingly. When something on your TV/projector screen goes from right to left, you want the center speaker to "sound" like the left and the right speakers. So, more efficient speakers will have their trims decreased and the less efficient speakers will be increased to match the timbres of the main speakers. This way, you will get an even sound level going across the screen.

A lower volume setting will not decrease the audio quality. You might get less bass from it. That's what the Loudness function was for on stereos from days gone by. To increase the bass and treble at low levels.
post #22446 of 35276
The "Loudness" function has been replaced by "Adaptive DRC" on most modern AVRs.
post #22447 of 35276
LOL!

I don't use an AVR. At least it has gotten an upgrade in the terminology.
post #22448 of 35276
First .... I do apologize to people on the other forums/threads that have already read the story and seen these pictures. redface.gif

I finally got my HT system all put together.
I still have some tweaking to do, and owe Fastslappy a huge "Thank you!!" for the help he provided.

It's a Sharp Aquos LC-90LE745U 90" LED/LCD TV, on a Monoprice articulated wall mount.
Klipsch speakers consisting of:
2 RF-7II mains
2 RF-82II wides
1 RC-64 center
2 RS-62II surrounds
4 RW-12D subs
An Onkyo TX-NR1010 as a pre-pro feeding the surrounds
An Emotiva XPA-5 feeding the mains, wides, and center.
A Panasonic DMP-BDT500 BD player
A DTV DVR
2 Buttkicker 1000-A amps and 4 Buttkicker LFE transducers under the seating.
And a PS3

The whole system is right at 6680 watts ....... RMS!! (although 5400 of those watts are the subs and Buttkickers) biggrin.gif

Here are some pictures of the new layout all complete.







Covers on:








And here's my old "pre -Klipsch" Home Theater system ...... wink.gif

Edited by Flyer91 - 5/29/13 at 9:04pm
post #22449 of 35276
Gotta love all that copper!!!!!
post #22450 of 35276
Impressive. Have you thought about moving a couple of those subs. Stacking is usually not the best way to go.
post #22451 of 35276
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Impressive. Have you thought about moving a couple of those subs. Stacking is usually not the best way to go.

I agree totally but I didn't know whether or not he wanted advice. Distribute those babies around the room by all means.
post #22452 of 35276
Dont post without expecting replies. Good and bad. Thats the nature of the business.
post #22453 of 35276
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Dont post without expecting replies. Good and bad. Thats the nature of the business.

Completely agree.
post #22454 of 35276
I got the second pair as much to cover up the cabling/wiring as to add to the sound.
Turns out it actually sounds great like it is. smile.gif

But ....... if I did need to move them for optimization, I'd be out of luck due to the constraints of the room layout. frown.gif
post #22455 of 35276
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Originally Posted by Flyer91 View Post

I got the second pair as much to cover up the cabling/wiring as to add to the sound.
Turns out it actually sounds great like it is. smile.gif

But ....... if I did need to move them for optimization, I'd be out of luck due to the constraints of the room layout. frown.gif

Well, it's your room so it's your call. If you like it that way then I love it.biggrin.gif

Nice tv. I have the 70 inch version in my living room. It has to be so much simpler than running cabling for a projector system.
post #22456 of 35276
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I have a mint Black RC-62 that is for sale PM me if interested .

Hi, Thanks for the offer, but I have to pass. I cannot physically fit it and I live in the Netherlands, so shipping costs would be very high.
Edited by dj41 - 5/29/13 at 11:49pm
post #22457 of 35276
LoL! Think he missed where you live.
post #22458 of 35276
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Originally Posted by Flyer91 View Post

I got the second pair as much to cover up the cabling/wiring as to add to the sound.
Turns out it actually sounds great like it is. smile.gif

But ....... if I did need to move them for optimization, I'd be out of luck due to the constraints of the room layout. frown.gif
Im sure it sounds great. It was just a thought.
post #22459 of 35276
Put those subs under that beautiful coffee table, &/or wall mount lamps, & make room that way. Just an idea, I'm sure it is a wonderful set-up!

With the view, it must be hard to pay attention to tv during the day; like when I'm at the Gulf of Mexico.

Remember $5 a night camping outside of Yosemite?
post #22460 of 35276
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

LoL! Think he missed where you live.

He did not have where he lived listed under his forum name. My post was also about the different Klipsch center speakers I have tried.
My C7 is bigger then my RC-62(would not fit in cabinet under the TV) so I built a shelf and bolted it to the wall just above(flush with the top of the TV) my 55" and raised the rear up so it's aimed down at the center of the sofa. I tow my fronts "IN" so you can look down the throats of the mid horns (see the article PWK has on speaker placement) it looks odd but they image MUCH better. I assure you the larger the horn and woofers in a center the better the voices will sound. My RC-42 was OK and the RC-62 in a average room is Great but a C7 in a larger room or small ROCKS. If I had the $$ Bob Crites Speakers has some AWSOME HT Klipsch style speakers that are designed like my Cornwall Heritage Series.
post #22461 of 35276
Louis, good post. I'm about to add a pair of Heresy II to my RC-42II (eventually 3), if/when? my Denon 3312 is returned to me. Lack of room not a concern.
post #22462 of 35276
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Louis, good post. I'm about to add a pair of Heresy II to my RC-42II (eventually 3), if/when? my Denon 3312 is returned to me. Lack of room not a concern.

I love my 1989 Heresy II, they were my rears when I had my HT system in our other(larger) home we sold to down size, now that I am retired. I raised them up so the mid horns are at ear level and added a Klipsch Synergy Sub 12" I purchased used and Wow they came alive for fronts in the bedroom. In 40 years of owning Klipsch speakers I have learned to place the fronts in a corner and tow then IN so where you are setting you can look down the throat of the mid horn. I have them 7 feet apart then place your sofa etc 7 feet back centered. I had my Cornwalls 15 feet apart and sofa 15 feet back and they sounded great. Now they are about 7 feet apart and sofa 7 back and my rear wall mounted RS3-II 7 feet behind me and aimed down like I did the C7 center..... AWSOME 5.2 in this small 10X14 den. If my den had 4 corners my HII would still be my rears for HT use. We all have to make do with odd rooms, furnite and our wife's smile.gif to deal with. I have replaced the cross overs( Crites) on Corns and it's about time to do the same for the HII, as every 25 years or so the "caps" in the networks slowly loose their value and a sure way to smoke a tweeter diaphgram. Read up on the k-77 tweeter on Bob Crites site as the older Alinco magnet T-35/K-77 or the ceramic square magnet K-77. I have Bob's CT-125 tweeters in my 1979 Cornwalls and they never sounded this clear to me. Hope this helps anyone that is looking at Heresy or any vintage Heritage. My revox R2R (1979 model) had over 100 different caps that I had replaced two years ago and they found one oil filled phase motor run caps that was leaking. This got me to thinking about my speakers so replaced them before they did the same. The newer Klipsch don't use the oold style caps but they too will need to be replaced every 25 years or so. Same on all vintage equipment. Google Paul Klipsch letters "Dope from Hope" (Hope Arkansas where they were made)
and read his article on speaker placement......a good read for any speaker placement. Hope this helps.
Louis
post #22463 of 35276
I was fortunate enough to change my order. The RC-42II will be replaced by the RC-52II. Hopefully a little bit better for the RF82II.
Edited by dj41 - 5/30/13 at 2:38pm
post #22464 of 35276
problem with update to the HIIs is that they cost more than I paid for the HIIs AND when the cost of upgrades and the used HIIs are combined, more than I'd have to pay for a set of used HIIIs (& with exceptions, new HIIIs); so, I'm not in the upgrade line...

called Ryan with Klipsch, no longer includes woofers, but high & mid-range drivers & crossover...

I say again, upgrade kits from Klipsch no longer include woofers and are $290 each, plus shipping and local tax...woofers from Crites are $210 a pair...

so $310 x 2, if shipping is only $10 each = $620+210=$830, PLUS the cost of USED HIIs minus what you can sell original parts for...
post #22465 of 35276
Good info as the prices have changed. Klipsch use to offer a complete HIII up grade kit for a HII. Mine still are stock from the day I got tthem new(1989) and they still sound great with a sub now. It is time for at least new caps that I may try to solder in and save the coin for more Lp's or tape.
I have listened to several HII that have enough money in them to buy a New pair of HIII. As much as I like the HII my Cornwalls with two of the same Sub 12" 300/650 watt sounds SOO much deeper etc, hard to explain but they have spoiled me....shakes this small room like I have never felt in all these years. Play the HII stock for a year or so and maybe get just the Crites re-cap kit and unsolder the caps as they are not much money. I saved and purchased his new networks on cedar boards to nice to hide in the CW cabinet. HII stock ,a mid level sub and that Dennon will sound Awsome in mid size room. I listened to my Cornwall's stock and no sub for 33 years before I added a sub or any new parts inside. The cabinets on the HI are like my 79 model CW all wood no MDF. But there you are sinking enough money to buy a pair of LaScala or CW stock and hope they don't need to be re-capped etc. Buying vintage and not knowing who owned them is a crap shoot.
post #22466 of 35276
hey im thinking of getting the klipsch reference series speakers for a new ht setup..rf52, rc52, rs42..my question is how do these perform with music? do they have warmer notes or more neutral? any opinion of klipsch reference series 52/42 shall be appreciated. also for a wider sound field would the rs42 perform better than rs41 surrounds?
post #22467 of 35276
The Reference series in general is said to be on the brighter side. They do say that that the mark II's are slightly less bright, at least on some models, but I have no way to validate that as I've never heard mark 1's. I don't have the exact speakers you are thinking of so it's hard for me to say for sure, so the best I can say is try to listen to at least some of them in a store if you are on the fence. I have the RS-62 II surrounds so I can't directly compare them to the RS 41/42 II, but I'd opt for the 42 at least. Many others go with the RB series bookshelves for rear surrounds as well. RB will be better for multi channel music and depending on your layout might be better for HT use as well, but again it depends on the room. I don't have a ton of space between the rear wall and my seating (and no wall on one of the sides (mostly eliminating that as an option) so the dispersion of the RS series is desirable.

I love my Klipsch RF-7 II system for both movies and music and will probably have these speakers for the next 20+ years. I like how full and detailed they sound, they've never let me down. On the other hand they do point out how terrible some music is produced, or how terrible a source is. Some people hate Klipsch speakers. Sound reproduction tastes from person to person vary and vary wildly between speaker brands and types so sometimes you just need to take a gamble. Worst case if you order over the internet for good prices you can always resale locally and not lose a ton of money.
post #22468 of 35276
Louis, I'm after some Cornwalls as well. The Denon will need some help, as in ext amp, for the mains, I think as my room is rather large, with vaulted ceilings.
post #22469 of 35276
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

I don know off hand, I get them Thursday. I will update the post then.

I got the speakers today. I have two towers RF-3II a RC-3 II center a KsW-12 sub, I didnt get the rear surrounds. Currently I have a set of bose 501 for rear surrounds and a pair of pioneer bookshelf surround backs.

What would be the most substantial upgrade for these speakers. Swapping out new fronts RF-82's, changing the center toa RC-62, adding klipsch surrounds?

I am getting two new subs this weekend so that will be taken care of.

The receiver I got is a Harman Kardon AVR-254, it sounds fine and when I turn it up everything is pretty loud. I know its only 50 watts per channel but it was free. So maybe ill update it after a bit.
post #22470 of 35276
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Originally Posted by dj41 View Post

I was fortunate enough to change my order. The RC-42II will be replaced by the RF-52II. Hopefully a little bit better for the RF82II.
Good deal.
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