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Everyone on this Thread asks for advice or gives opinions on what works best for their solution. The OP should take all suggestions and make a decision on their own.

Whether one wants to take my advice or another's is up to them. It's fine with me.

I just try to help people with what I know. If I don't know how to help a problem, I will say so or just not answer the question.
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Everyone on this Thread asks for advice or gives opinions on what works best for their solution. The OP should take all suggestions and make a decision on their own.

Whether one wants to take my advice or another's is up to them. It's fine with me.

I just try to help people with what I know. If I don't know how to help a problem, I will say so or just not answer the question.

exactly!!!
post #22713 of 35419
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Originally Posted by youthman View Post

Looks like several have used Omnimounts for the RS series, there may be other options as well. Link

Thanks .........but... I called Customer Support and Omni is not making them anymore...bummer as Omni 30.0 WA would work Perfect for RS3-II and many other later model RS wall mounted rears. They told me Sears may have some in stock and I went to their site and no stock??? Omni makes a 20.0 series that does not have the longer shaft with the pivot ball to extend the angle I need to tilt down 40 degrees. I will look for a different company that makes a pivot mount like this stainless steel design. Man I wish I had looked harded 2 years ago when I purchased my RS speakers. Looks like Omni made these in 2010/11 or so. Looking for NOS now. Amazon was out of stock too as I am a Prime member for free shipping. Anyone have any other ideas for a different adjustable wall mount for a 18X8 inch 15/20 pound speaker.

EDIT I found these http://www.standsandmounts.com/peerlessuniversalwallceilingcabinetmountedrotatingspeakermounts-spk811.aspx

I called them and talked to C.S. Rep and he said these will hold a 12/15 pound speaker as they are rated at 20 pounds. He advised to always go with a bracket that over rated for the weight of the speaker. They are in stock for about $22.00 plus shipping. Still looking for a stronger mount like the 30 pound Omni mount.
Edited by Louis Bartay - 6/11/13 at 12:39pm
post #22714 of 35419
Hey guys what would pro's suggest ?


CMT 340 SE fronts and center, along with CBM-170 SE surrounds

or

Klipsch RF-62, Klipsch RS-52 Reference II Surround Speaker, Klipsch RC-52 II Center Channel Speaker (maybe RC-62 if it goes lower in price)


both set would be with an

PB12-NSD subwoofer

Onkyo Tx-Nr818
post #22715 of 35419
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Originally Posted by Jackzor View Post

Hey guys what would pro's suggest ?


CMT 340 SE fronts and center, along with CBM-170 SE surrounds

or

Klipsch RF-62, Klipsch RS-52 Reference II Surround Speaker, Klipsch RC-52 II Center Channel Speaker (maybe RC-62 if it goes lower in price)


both set would be with an

PB12-NSD subwoofer

Onkyo Tx-Nr818

Hi Jackzor,

Well, this is a Klipsch Thread so, I will give a recommendation for Klipsch. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

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Originally Posted by Jackzor View Post

Hey guys what would pro's suggest ?


CMT 340 SE fronts and center, along with CBM-170 SE surrounds

or

Klipsch RF-62, Klipsch RS-52 Reference II Surround Speaker, Klipsch RC-52 II Center Channel Speaker (maybe RC-62 if it goes lower in price)


both set would be with an

PB12-NSD subwoofer

Onkyo Tx-Nr818

Hi Jackzor,

Well, this is a Klipsch Thread so, I will give a recommendation for Klipsch. biggrin.gif

me, too, too... biggrin.gif
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Just a general post about timbre. I am not sure if room correction can fix timbre issues. The same frequency played using say a guitar and a piano at the same loudness is not going to sound the same to our ears. But a room correction software cant recognize if the same frequency at same loudness is coming from a guitar or piano. It just goes by the frequency and loudness and in that case it will treat the sound coming from a guitar and piano at the same way as it doesn't know the difference. No?
One could probably mix different dome tweeters but probably not a dome and horn tweeter. If room correction software can fix timbre issues then the distinction between a dome and horn tweeter or the distinction between different musical instruments may not exist. No?


If someone wants a bang for the buck center, look for the Klipsch KLF-C7. It comes up rarely on ebay and goes for some $250-300 plus shipping. I got one in local CL for $160!! and I will never change my center until my KLF-C7 dies. I am coming from the Klipsch RC-3, PSB C60, Def Tech CLR2000, Klipsch RC-62, RC-62 II. I wonder why they don't make speakers like KLF-C7 anymore. Because Best Buy or COSTCO do not sell an A/V rack that fits the KLF-C7? LOL
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Just a general post about timbre. I am not sure if room correction can fix timbre issues. The same frequency played using say a guitar and a piano at the same loudness is not going to sound the same to our ears. But a room correction software cant recognize if the same frequency at same loudness is coming from a guitar or piano. It just goes by the frequency and loudness and in that case it will treat the sound coming from a guitar and piano at the same way as it doesn't know the difference. No?
One could probably mix different dome tweeters but probably not a dome and horn tweeter. If room correction software can fix timbre issues then the distinction between a dome and horn tweeter or the distinction between different musical instruments may not exist. No?


If someone wants a bang for the buck center, look for the Klipsch KLF-C7. It comes up rarely on ebay and goes for some $250-300 plus shipping. I got one in local CL for $160!! and I will never change my center until my KLF-C7 dies. I am coming from the Klipsch RC-3, PSB C60, Def Tech CLR2000, Klipsch RC-62, RC-62 II. I wonder why they don't make speakers like KLF-C7 anymore. Because Best Buy or COSTCO do not sell an A/V rack that fits the KLF-C7? LOL
Mupi is dead on Right about this . . wink.gif
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I fully agree about timber matching... room correction won't make speakers of different types sound the same. If they did, why would we bother getting nice speakers if room correction could make any speaker sound like anything? We'd all have tiny satellite speakers room corrected to sound like Paladiums with nice bass, etc. Of course I'm exaggerating but the point is buried in there somewhere. wink.gif

If you're going to mix and match speakers, just do your best to get speakers of similar size and build types, at least for the LCR. Most everyone agrees timber matching from the LCR to surrounds is much less important. I wouldn't count on an AVR's room correction to make any speaker sound different than it's native sound, as that is what I consider timber in the first place.
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EQ'ing can help with timbre... but there is no magic cure.
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Originally Posted by Jackzor View Post

Hey guys what would pro's suggest ?


CMT 340 SE fronts and center, along with CBM-170 SE surrounds

or

Klipsch RF-62, Klipsch RS-52 Reference II Surround Speaker, Klipsch RC-52 II Center Channel Speaker (maybe RC-62 if it goes lower in price)


both set would be with an

PB12-NSD subwoofer

Onkyo Tx-Nr818

Hi look in the cassified section here. I have a Mint Black RC-62 for sale. I upgraded to a older Klipsch C7 that has 8" woofers and a 10 inch horn. I have Cornwalls for fronts
that have phenolic diaphragms and Klipsch does not make them for the horn in the RC-62 or any of my Reference surrounds I purchased new in 2010. A RC-62 would be a great match for the RF-62. I have never listened to the CMT speakers so I have no idea how they sound. I have owned Klipsch speakers for 40 odd years now and like them all. It helps if you keep a HT system timber matched so when you play all of them for music they blend in a bit better. Good luck with what ever you decide to purchase.
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I've never seen tilt mounts for RS speakers. Someone with RS speakers will have to chime in.

This is what i use and they tilt down...


http://www.pinpointmounts.com/am40

If the op needs more tilt, the am10 might be a better fit.
post #22723 of 35419
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

This is what i use and they tilt down...


http://www.pinpointmounts.com/am40

If the op needs more tilt, the am10 might be a better fit.

That looks like a very nice mount for RB's.
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

This is what i use and they tilt down...


http://www.pinpointmounts.com/am40

If the op needs more tilt, the am10 might be a better fit.

I wish this one had more tilt to it and same for the am10. My sofa is 7 feet from the back wall and my RS3-II are up 8 feet at the ceiling. I need a lot more angle down then either one of them...sigh.

I think the Peerless 20 pound model SPK811 will tilt down more. I really liked the stainless steel Omnimount 30.0 WA (holds 30 pounds) but I can't locate a pair in stock.

Still looking for them or another brand. Thanks anyway.
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Originally Posted by Nexgen76 View Post

Hello I just got a pair of Klipsch F-3 to go along with my Klipsch subwoofer(12) and a Yamaha RX-V675 receiver. I just wanting to know what the best center speaker to match this group I have since I'm only running fronts & no rear speakers....Thanks
The best match for F3 is C3.
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Thanks .........but... I called Customer Support and Omni is not making them anymore...bummer as Omni 30.0 WA would work Perfect

There's some on the bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Omnimount-30-0WA-AFK-Speaker-Mount-Black-30-0-/200933647369?pt=US_Speaker_Mounts_Stands&hash=item2ec8942409
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Originally Posted by Tasdom View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Thanks .........but... I called Customer Support and Omni is not making them anymore...bummer as Omni 30.0 WA would work Perfect

There's some on the bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Omnimount-30-0WA-AFK-Speaker-Mount-Black-30-0-/200933647369?pt=US_Speaker_Mounts_Stands&hash=item2ec8942409

THANKS he had 4 of them...... he has 2 now. smile.gif They were just listed as yesterday they were Not listed on Epay. He combined shipping so I got two for about $67.00.
I got two for the price of one (retail) when Omni had them in stock. Omin C.S. said Sears had some in stock but when I called Sears C.S. they were sold. Glad now you saved me some $$.
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

EQ'ing can help with timbre... but there is no magic cure.

Didn't mean to dwell on it. Just curious to know how. EQing tweaks the frequency levels. It doesn't know if that frequency is played by a Guitar or a Piano. Also curious to know which instrument is used to record the test tones. If I play the test tones using a guitar and piano, they are going to sound different to me but how does a room correction software get away with that inability to distinguish tonality?
post #22731 of 35419
it wont change pitch... that would be impossible.
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Didn't mean to dwell on it. Just curious to know how. EQing tweaks the frequency levels. It doesn't know if that frequency is played by a Guitar or a Piano. Also curious to know which instrument is used to record the test tones. If I play the test tones using a guitar and piano, they are going to sound different to me but how does a room correction software get away with that inability to distinguish tonality?
I think its very unlikely they use any instrument to record the test tone. It is computer generated. Its not like someone records a tone from a piano. Have you even heard the test tones from an avr room correction system software?
post #22733 of 35419
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Originally Posted by Jackzor View Post

Hey guys what would pro's suggest ?


CMT 340 SE fronts and center, along with CBM-170 SE surrounds

or

Klipsch RF-62, Klipsch RS-52 Reference II Surround Speaker, Klipsch RC-52 II Center Channel Speaker (maybe RC-62 if it goes lower in price)


both set would be with an

PB12-NSD subwoofer

Onkyo Tx-Nr818

I have had the chance to hear both and I own the PB12+. Great sub BTW.

I honestly didn't hear the magic with the Ascends. I was expecting greatness and they didn't do it for me. They sounded decent and played loud but nothing special. I would equate the Ascends sound similar to a Polk speaker. The Klipsch have amazing clarity and projection I love. I wanted to hear dialog super clear and they do just that. I always found myself adding a few DB's of Treble to all my speakers, not with the Klipsch. They are perfect for my ears. I would say klipsch.

Also,go with the RC-62 center to match the Rf's. Then later on get the rears when you can afford them. Spend the money on your front stage before the back.

If you plan on going with Klipsch, reach out to the guys at AVS for a quote, you will be happy you did.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I think its very unlikely they use any instrument to record the test tone. It is computer generated. Its not like someone records a tone from a piano. Have you even heard the test tones from an avr room correction system software?

IIRC you are correct. For several years I have used my AVR room correction feature and a hand held Db meter to fine tune my odd 5.2 system. I was diffculy but I got it close for Ht use... Cornwall fronts, RC-62 center and RS3-II rears. I am now fine tuning a bigger Klipsch C7 center that seems to match my front Cornwalls Much better and I hear my surrounds a bit better now too as I had to add more gain to the RC-62 to keep up the huge Cornwalls for my old ears. My wife even commited last night while we were watching a Bluray that voices sound more natural and not SO loud and she too noticed the rears a bit better. In a few days after more play time I am going install the phenolic diaphragm that matches the Cornwalls mid horns and run the Yamaha YPAO room correction feature again and see if I can hear any difference as the stock poly diaphragm sounds good. Then in a few weeks I will try the Titanium diaphragm I just purchased from Crites and give it a try. Hey I am retired now smile.gif and it's long Hot summer ahead here in Texas.
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I might be getting a pair of RF-52's and a pair of RB-61's tomorrow. I have a few questions if this comes to pass. Which should i use for the fronts? Would a RC-52 work with either set or should I match 52 with 52 or 62 with 61? If I use the 52's up front would the 61's work as surrounds? Good deals on Craigslist. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by auceny View Post

I might be getting a pair of RF-52's and a pair of RB-61's tomorrow. I have a few questions if this comes to pass. Which should i use for the fronts? Would a RC-52 work with either set or should I match 52 with 52 or 62 with 61? If I use the 52's up front would the 61's work as surrounds? Good deals on Craigslist. Thanks.
Yes the 61's will work fine for surrounds with the 52's up front.
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Originally Posted by auceny View Post

I might be getting a pair of RF-52's and a pair of RB-61's tomorrow. I have a few questions if this comes to pass. Which should i use for the fronts? Would a RC-52 work with either set or should I match 52 with 52 or 62 with 61? If I use the 52's up front would the 61's work as surrounds? Good deals on Craigslist. Thanks.

And the RC-52 will work as your center.
post #22738 of 35419
Heresy II came in & set-up as 3d CENTER today. Has a serial number and is marked 8 Ohm, unlike my other Heresy IIs, 1986 & circa 1986, marked 4 Ohm, 94dB Sensitivity.

This one HAS a SERIAL NUMBER, will call Klipsch tomorrow to see if they can help with production date, efficiency et Cetera.
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Auceny, I would use RF-52's up front, RB-61's for surrounds. The RC-52 is voice matched to the RF-52's so that will work great. Depending on your layout, if you can pick up a pair of RS-42's, they would work great as side surrounds.
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Well finally unpacked my speakers and set them up. I have an Onkyo TX-NR818 receiver and an older Kenwood 5.1 receiver powering my front wides. I ran Odyssey 32 and unfortunately I had to do it several times. First a car passed and the dogs barked. Then I put them outside and just as it was finishing they started barking and jumping by the door. I put them in the bedroom and all was well and almost finished when a Jet decided to buzz my house! Finally completed the calibration and if people do not believe that a good set of speakers do not make a difference they are living in the dark ages! My old set were not bad, just that it was a mix of Bose, Althena, Infinity, and Polk Audio. Now with a complete set of Klipsch topping off my center that includes the Onkyo 7.2 receiver and my Sony XBR 65HX950 TV I am DONE for a while, at east I hope so. I have the RB 61ii fronts, RC 52ii center, RB 41ii front Highs, RB 51ii front wides, RS 41ii surrounds, RC 20 surround back, 12 RD sub along with my only hold over Polk 12" sub. Everyone cannot believe that I have a 12 speaker set up but are blown away when I light these puppies up. I know that it is recommended to match the complete Reference series but my budget limited me and I believe they paired well. Still some tweaking with the manual EQ on my Onkyo but so far I cannot be happier!
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