Originally Posted by e84cooper
I don't have the same knowledge that some of you have but I sold both synergy and reference series for 5 years! I also have owned both, to me my RB81 and RB 61 sound much better then my F 20s and B 20s!
I have owned both the RB81's and the RF82's. It all depends on how you use them.
For 2ch music, book shelf speakers like RB81's used with a sub that is EQ-ed using a stand alone sub-EQ like Antomode 8033 may sound better than RF82 used as full range for 2ch music without any correction just due to the obvious reason that the uncorrected bass in RF82 may sound boomy compared to a combination of RB81 crossed at 80 or 90Hz and a corrected sub. I dont like to use Audyssey for 2ch music as I prefer a laid back sound for music. So I use the manual EQ on my Denon 3310 to cut down the mid range and use Antimode to correct the sub. For HT and cable I use Audyssey. There is a front by pass option in Audysey but I never liked it. I believe Audyssey MultEQ XT just does not have enough filters to do a good job of full range EQ. XT32 is getting cheaper but the general opinion is that the XT32 implementation in the cheaper AVR's isnt as good as that in higher end AVR's. Even if XT32 becomes more common place, since Audyssey does not allow me to add manual EQ (at least in the non-pro versions), it is out of the question for 2ch listening. There are laid back speakers like B&W, Dynaudio, Vienna Acoustics, Magnepan etc. but they are also low efficiency speakers and need a ton of power compared to Klipsch. That is the main reason I sold my Magnepans. So I prefer using Klipsch with the mid range turned down. Antimode 8033 is my choice for 2ch bass EQing. I guess the new Antimode may allow manual EQ but it is like $1200 and I have to buy it from Europe. I prefer to buy a product that is available in US with a good return policy.
No matter how much you pay for a full range speaker, it is going to sound boomy if used without correcting the bass. Most of the time the bass in HT is focused on certain frequencies like for the explosions. But it is not so in 2ch music. You also dont care much about depth of the sound stage for HT. If you listen to 2ch music on the Magnepans like the MG1.7 or even the MG12 (which I have owned) in a long room with a lot of space behind speakers, you will know what kind of sound stage you are missing compared to speakers placed flat against the wall. No I am not saying that the speakers should be placed so that they simulate a stage.
It is all subjective. What sounds great in one room may sound lousy in another due to room effects which are more important than just the speaker size or brand. And a FLAT EQ-ed response is not always the preferred response for 2ch music for everyone. So if I have to buy new speakers, I will just use all the opinions I read as a guideline but will make the decision only after listening to the speakers.
BTW I have owned different speakers brands and types and finally I decided to stick with the old Klipsch KG and Legend series as they gave me the best bang for the buck for music and HT. If I move to a house with a larger living room, I would go back to the Magnepans for 2ch music. The MG1.7 are just under $2000 and there is probably nothing else that can beat the sound stage that the MG1.7 throws in that price range. Only issue is that they need a large room and tons of power which you just cant get using an AVR as a pre-pro no matter how powerful the amp is as the AVR just does not have enough pre-out voltage to get more juice out of the more powerful amps like WIRED 4 SOUND which also happen to have a much higher sensitivity like 2.8V.
Anyway...out of topic