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post #23101 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Nima View Post

literally earth shattering. cool.gifbiggrin.gif

Dude, don't run them then, we need this planet to live on. What the hell are you thinking!?
post #23102 of 35205
The Sw-115 really captured my attention. Never heard a 15" sub, but here in europe its like 700 euros.

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post #23103 of 35205
I have a Klipsch RSW-12 up front and an RSW-15 behind me and that dude's JTR Captivator won't "trounce" them together and the RSW-15 alone would give it a run for his money. cool.gif

Fwiw, Klipsch subs don't get a good rap generally because of price-to-internet comparison, although they seem to be closing the gap.

For the record, I didn't pay MSRP for my dual Klipsch RSW Subs purchased in March, 2003 but given how much time I've spent enjoying them and my Home Theater since, I will tell you that it's satisfying to see that a guy with a JTR Captivator doesn't make me jealous. biggrin.gif
post #23104 of 35205
I always wondered how the single Sw-115 would stack up to the Sw-3xx with their smaller drivers but with two passive radiators.

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post #23105 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I have a Klipsch RSW-12 up front and an RSW-15 behind me and that dude's JTR Captivator won't "trounce" them together and the RSW-15 alone would give it a run for his money. cool.gif

Fwiw, Klipsch subs don't get a good rap generally because of price-to-internet comparison, although they seem to be closing the gap.

The Captivator is on another level. This is a very high excursion 18" driver being fed 2.4 kW in a large ported enclosure, tuned to 17 Hz, being sold for $2.5k not including shipping. Klipsch doesn't have anything remotely like that except in their professional cinema line-up. You would need a bunch of their THX 120 subs to equal a Captivator, which is Klipsch's most powerful consumer sub by far. I don't want to sound like I am ripping on Klipsch, they have some good subs, even ones competitive with equally priced ID brands, but the Captivator can not be compared to anything in Klipsch's consumer subwoofer lines.
post #23106 of 35205
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

...You would need a bunch of their THX 120 subs to equal a Captivator, which is Klipsch's most powerful consumer sub by far...

I am not saying that the JTR Captivator isn't an incredible sub and a single KW-120 sub will NOT outperform the RSW-15.
Edited by Zen Traveler - 7/2/13 at 10:23am
post #23107 of 35205
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

I always wondered how the single Sw-115 would stack up to the Sw-3xx with their smaller drivers but with two passive radiators.

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trounce.
post #23108 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

... a single KW-120 sub will NOT outperform the RSW-15.

Not according to Klipsch:
RSW-15: 121dB @ 30Hz 1/8 space, 1 meter
KW-120: 130dB @ 30Hz,, 1m (2 enclosures side-by-side per THX Ultra2)

For a single KW, remove 6 dB, and it still is ahead of the RSW by 3 dB, which is a significant margin. This isn't surprising since the KWs have a heavy duty driver in a large, ported cabinet. It is a more efficient design, but it's just not as pretty.
post #23109 of 35205
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Not according to Klipsch:
RSW-15: 121dB @ 30Hz 1/8 space, 1 meter
KW-120: 130dB @ 30Hz,, 1m (2 enclosures side-by-side per THX Ultra2)

For a single KW, remove 6 dB, and it still is ahead of the RSW by 3 dB, which is a significant margin. This isn't surprising since the KWs have a heavy duty driver in a large, ported cabinet. It is a more efficient design, but it's just not as pretty.

Good post, but I remember when the KW-120 first came out the discussion on the Klipsch Forum was that it would take a pair of them to outperform the RSW-15...That said, as of now your post will make me reconsider the issue and will admit I am wrong if I don't post a rebuttal in the next day or two. smile.gif Gotta go to work now.
post #23110 of 35205
[quote name="Zen Traveler

I will tell you that it's satisfying to see that a guy with a JTR Captivator doesn't make me jealous. biggrin.gif[/quote]

Zen I don't get jealous Looking at it either wink.gif........... BUT.......Hearing/Feeling IT...........Different answer :)They are way out my music/hobby budget.
Everytime I go my neighbors house and watch/feel a movie on his Klispch HT rig with a SVS Ultra PB13 I come home wanting a better sub. Then I get use to the two small subs I have in this small den and biggrin.gif close enough. I too purchased my two used 5 years ago. I have $325.00 in both of them, they help out my Cornwalls great...again Small room. Every hobby I have ever invested money in, cost me Big time gooing for last 10% of perfection/power what ever..
it never ends biggrin.gif sure is fun.
post #23111 of 35205
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

I always wondered how the single Sw-115 would stack up to the Sw-3xx with their smaller drivers but with two passive radiators.

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trounce.

So smaller driver with two passive radiators beats a active single large cone?

The new SW line looks boring though..klipsch should have kept the Rw-xxD line look.


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post #23112 of 35205
The SW-115 will play cleaner down to a lower frequency. I definitely wouldn't trade a 115 for a 311.
post #23113 of 35205
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

So smaller driver with two passive radiators beats a active single large cone?

The new SW line looks boring though..klipsch should have kept the Rw-xxD line look.

:facepalm:

come on now...

115-FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 18Hz-150Hz ± 3dB... MAX ACOUSTIC OUTPUT: 121dB @ 30Hz... WEIGHT: 69lbs (31.3kg)
311-FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 22Hz-120Hz ± 3dB ... MAX ACOUSTIC OUTPUT: 118dB @ 30Hz... WEIGHT: 37lbs (16.8kg)
post #23114 of 35205
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

So smaller driver with two passive radiators beats a active single large cone?

The new SW line looks boring though..klipsch should have kept the Rw-xxD line look.

:facepalm:

come on now...

115-FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 18Hz-150Hz ± 3dB... MAX ACOUSTIC OUTPUT: 121dB @ 30Hz... WEIGHT: 69lbs (31.3kg)
311-FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 22Hz-120Hz ± 3dB ... MAX ACOUSTIC OUTPUT: 118dB @ 30Hz... WEIGHT: 37lbs (16.8kg)

The official local klipsch dealer here in the Netherlands sells the Sw-115 for 745 euros, while the 311 will go for 1199.

Thats why the question. I know bigger many time better....but found it weird how the 311 is more expensive. I think klipsch also sees it as the flagship Sw sub. Its placed higher up the chain on the klipsch site.

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post #23115 of 35205
I have the SW 310 which sits below the 311 in the food chain and I have been very pleased with the sound. It was a big improvement over my Polk PSW-110 that it replaced. It has a big, clean sound but doesn't get down as low as the bigger subs. That being said, bigger would have been better, but room constraints and WAF all played a part in getting this Sub. Plus the fact that I only paid $140 on craigslist. If size matters then the 311/310 may be a good fit but shop around. If size is not a factor then get the best Sub you can afford in the largest size. I would love to have a HSU or SVS but that just isn't in the cards right now. This is Just my two cents. smile.gif
post #23116 of 35205
If you're looking for an rw12D, Consider the Polk PSW505. They measure very very similar, and have been offered on newegg for CHEAP, like $160 or so. For the price of 2 rw12ds you could have a polk 505 in all 4 corners.

Personally, if I was budget limited and wanted a decent subwoofer, I would look for multiple cheaper subs that reach into the low 20hz area than a single more capable sub. The benefits of multiple subs are more important than the benefits of a few extra Hz of frequency extension and SPL to me.

All said and done, 99% of the people in this forum would be very happy with dual rw12d's, or Sub12's, or Polk 505's once set up properly.

Of course, after going DIY, I will never look at another pre-assembled sub again. "SPL @ 30hz ? Come on, what will it do at 10hz ?"
post #23117 of 35205
^^make you deaf in the future?
post #23118 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post


I am not saying that the JTR Captivator isn't an incredible sub and a single KW-120 sub will NOT outperform the RSW-15.

I do own passive JTR Cap 2400 and love them. However I owned a couple of Klipsch KSW 300 (15inch downfiring, ported) prior to this and they gave me fifteen years of outstanding performance and I also loved them. Now Im not saying its in the same league, its not, but I thought after having the Cap for a while now that it ( the Klipsch) punched well above its weight. Of the two KSW 300's one I bought brand new and it never missed a beat and I would rate it an outstanding sub more than capable of making the room shake. The other I bought second hand from the same dealer and it couldn't be pushed as hard and did have a hum which was annoying. Not sure if there were two versions of this particular sub or if my second hand one had a hard life prior to me owning it. I did hear that they may have changed the amp to something that wasn't as good which would make sense due to performance differences. My only reason for replacing the KSW 300 was I sold one (the better one, dont ask!) and regretted it the day it left the house. This started the quest for what I have now but I tried to find another KSW 300 first but with no luck (I live in Australia). If you could find a decent KSW 300 around I bet they go for nothing and you'd be amazed at its performance especially for movies. I havent heard any of the more recent models as the KSW 300 was bought in 1998.
Edited by AJ72 - 7/3/13 at 1:28am
post #23119 of 35205
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

^^make you deaf in the future?[/quote

Isn't it true that frequencies this low have far less effect on your hearing than do high frequencies? Our ears are more sensitive to highs, thus all the old people that can't hear them anymore.
post #23120 of 35205
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

^^make you deaf in the future?[/quote

Isn't it true that frequencies this low have far less effect on your hearing than do high frequencies? Our ears are more sensitive to highs, thus all the old people that can't hear them anymore.

Think you are right
post #23121 of 35205
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

The official local klipsch dealer here in the Netherlands sells the Sw-115 for 745 euros, while the 311 will go for 1199.

Thats why the question. I know bigger many time better....but found it weird how the 311 is more expensive. I think klipsch also sees it as the flagship Sw sub. Its placed higher up the chain on the klipsch site.

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It costs a lot more to get performance from a small form factor. That small cube has a lot more powerful amp, smaller driver and two passive radiators. That is why it costs so much more. You can get the same performance and more, using a larger driver, smaller amp and much bigger box. Some people just do not want the bigger box, therefore the SW-310 or 311 makes sense to them.
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post #23122 of 35205
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

The official local klipsch dealer here in the Netherlands sells the Sw-115 for 745 euros, while the 311 will go for 1199.

Thats why the question. I know bigger many time better....but found it weird how the 311 is more expensive. I think klipsch also sees it as the flagship Sw sub. Its placed higher up the chain on the klipsch site.

Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note III

It costs a lot more to get performance from a small form factor. That small cube has a lot more powerful amp, smaller driver and two passive radiators. That is why it costs so much more. You can get the same performance and more, using a larger driver, smaller amp and much bigger box. Some people just do not want the bigger box, therefore the SW-310 or 311 makes sense to them.

I actually thought the SW like the reference speakers are good performing speakers, but im reading more and more in forums that they arent that special and just perform ok. Might just go with an SVS. Realllly wanted the rw-12d but all local dealers have show models or have run out od stock.

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post #23123 of 35205
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

Of course, after going DIY, I will never look at another pre-assembled sub again. "SPL @ 30hz ? Come on, what will it do at 10hz ?"

Slow clap for us DIYers!
post #23124 of 35205
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

I actually thought the SW like the reference speakers are good performing speakers, but im reading more and more in forums that they arent that special and just perform ok. Might just go with an SVS. Realllly wanted the rw-12d but all local dealers have show models or have run out od stock.

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The Klipsch speakers and subs are good performers. DIY can beat them performance wise, because most in the DIY world are not limited by size and weight. DIY is not really about saving money. It is more about getting what you want. That may be form factor. It may be output at 10hz. It could be size. If you want a small sub that can still hit low, then you can look at using an 18" LMS 5400 driver and feed it 2k plus watts of power with boost added low. If size is not a problem, you can build a braced box that has 10CF of volume and then get a lot of output using a lesser driver.

In my case I wanted subs that would fit under my screen. To do so I had to build them. I have a $500 driver, $600 MiniDSP and a $350 amp. Now add the rest of the materials and the labor and you see, money savings was not high on my list, but with its 48" width, 24" height and 12" depth, it fits where I wanted it.
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post #23125 of 35205
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Originally Posted by Zen Traveler View Post

I have a Klipsch RSW-12 up front and an RSW-15 behind me and that dude's JTR Captivator won't "trounce" them together and the RSW-15 alone would give it a run for his money. cool.gif

Fwiw, Klipsch subs don't get a good rap generally because of price-to-internet comparison, although they seem to be closing the gap.

For the record, I didn't pay MSRP for my dual Klipsch RSW Subs purchased in March, 2003 but given how much time I've spent enjoying them and my Home Theater since, I will tell you that it's satisfying to see that a guy with a JTR Captivator doesn't make me jealous. biggrin.gif
Klipsch RSW subwoofers are extremely underrated. Believe that!
post #23126 of 35205
When you compare subwoofers you have to compare apples to apples gentlemen. No matter how fast your sports car is its not a race car.eek.gif
post #23127 of 35205
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

When you compare subwoofers you have to compare apples to apples gentlemen. No matter how fast your sports car is its not a race car.eek.gif

How do you compare your apples? Form factor? Price? Capability/output? Or all of the above?

It would be near impossible to clone a RW-12D for $299. Klipsch wins over DIY!!!

As Mike mentions above, remove the "form factor" compromise and one can easily obtain higher output capability over most commercial and ID offerings. Most BB brands, such as Klipsch, have to appeal to the masses.

Small form factor is the name of the sales game.
post #23128 of 35205
All of the above. Price is a good starting point.
post #23129 of 35205
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post


DIY can beat them performance wise, because most in the DIY world are not limited by size and weight. DIY is not really about saving money. It is more about getting what you want. That may be form factor. It may be output at 10hz. It could be size. If you want a small sub that can still hit low, then you can look at using an 18" LMS 5400 driver and feed it 2k plus watts of power with boost added low. If size is not a problem, you can build a braced box that has 10CF of volume and then get a lot of output using a lesser driver.
 

 

If size isn't a problem...  people should realize that Klipsch also has a cinema lineup with some sizable subwoofers.  They certainly aren't for everyone...but then, neither are Danley DTS-10's or other variants of that size yet, there are many people who have those in their homes.

 

I realize you probably know this...  I'm just using your comment to make a more broad comment to others who might only think of the residential offerings from someone like Klipsch and not realize they have another menu from which to choose.

post #23130 of 35205
For people who live in condos or apts what do you have your sub set at? I'm tried of the noise warnings and fines
Edited by e84cooper - 7/4/13 at 5:52am
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