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post #23311 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post



...I don't hear any distortion at 90DB/100 peak special effects when watching a Bluray movie. I just did a test with my DB meter and my display on the AVR shows -10 at 90 DB This Yamaha goes to +20 MAX that in

4 years I have never gotten close to. So my point is if I only use 75% of my AVR pre amp that it will send to a 5 channel amp it should be distortation free. Yes I see that I will not be sending 1V to the amp at this setting. And miss out on some of it's power(that I don't need) in this small room.

I hope someone that has my AVR and 5 channel amp for HT will post up on my thread on AK forum and give their thoughts on how it sounds at 90DB. Lets say I don't notice any difference with the XPA5 at 90 Db......this means

.

Have you posted your question over on the Klipsch Forum?
post #23312 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

His numbers are right but the results are not. That was what i was saying

PM me so I understand. I think what Mupi is saying if I don't use max volume I won't send 1v to the seperate amp. The amp then won't generate 100% of it's power.
post #23313 of 35259
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

Hi.

I need to buy my surrounds this week, so going back again to store to get the RS-52.

Basically want my system to look like this:




In my situation I would need to place the RS-52 where the circles are. With my problem being the window. Could the RS-52 be hanged and suspended from a chain or strong cable? (blue line), or even a bar that hold it up from the middle wall (red line)
Should I get a really tall stand? Would it even work well on a stand? Not sure what to do, but I basically want it to look like the image above.



decided not to go RB-61 as I can get better diffused sound with the RS.

You can mount the RS's in the spots you need. I would use a chain and hang both the same way. One in the corner and the one to the left/right (depends from which side you are talking) of the couch. That way you have symmetry with the RS's. You can run the wire down the chain.
post #23314 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

I was level calibrating my system today and noticed that one of my RF-62 II's tweeter didn't sound right - it was at a very low volume and then the level spiked about 5 db's after 10 seconds or so and remained there. I thought it might be the receiver, so I switched it the other channel and the same thing occured again - so it's definitely the speaker. I've emailed Klipsch to see what they suggest; the speakers are only 4 months old so I'm still under warranty. Anyone ever experience this and what was the solution!

After playing around with the speaker for a few more days and eliminating everything but the tweeter, I finally called Klipsch. Excellent customer service! I was on the phone with them less than 10 minutes and they are sending me a new tweeter.
post #23315 of 35259
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Originally Posted by glugus2000 View Post

I live in the boonies so auditioning speakers is not an option so I'm counting on yall to help me make the right decision.
My setup is, Yamaha RX-V3800, in a 5.1 setup
Fronts are KG5.2, center and surrounds are so crappy, I'm not gonna name them.
Currently using a RW-12d sub and have a second one to add but have to make space.
Room is 19' x 25' with 16' vaulted ceiling, one side open to kitchen, one end open to foyer.

Here is what I'm thinking. Tell me if I'm crazy or suggest other options.
Move the KG5.2s to the dedicated music room.
Purchase 2 RB51-11 for surround.
Purchase a RC62-11 for center. Not sure if the RC64 would fit or not. Will measure later today.
Here is my dilemma. I'm thinking 2 RB81 or RB61 for fronts, each paired with one of the RW12d's.
Given the size of the room, would the RB61s as fronts be enough?
If not, would the RB81s be a close enough match with the RC62?
Unfortunately, I don't have room for 2 floor standers and the 2 subs. You'd think in a room that big, it wouldn't be a problem, but wifey has her "stuff" there too.

One other thought. I've not seen anyone with bookshelf speaker setting on top of their sub. Is that a good or bad idea?

Also, wanted to publicly thank everyone. This is one long thread and has been very educational for me.

I would run RB-81's up front. Not good to put on sub due to needing the tweeter up higher. Also, the RB will "dance" around on the sub due to vibrations.
Other than that, I would get a bigger sub for that big of room.
post #23316 of 35259
So there is a guy on Craigslist selling his RF-82 and RC-62 (originals) for 400. They seem to be in decent shape. Is this a good price? How different are they from the 82ii and 62ii? I'm using a denon 4311 with a SVS PB 12+ if it helps
Right now I have VF 35 and an old klipsch center, I think it's c20? Not sure, I'm not at home.
post #23317 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

100 watts of effortless power will always sound better than a 100 watts of a maxed out avr power. Getting more power is not the point. (for me anyways). I want headroom.

The question is how do you get 100W of effortless power using an AVR as a pre-pro that barely gives 0.6V of effortless voltage at the pre-outs smile.gif
post #23318 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

PM me so I understand. I think what Mupi is saying if I don't use max volume I won't send 1v to the seperate amp. The amp then won't generate 100% of it's power.

Max volume on different devices in front of the amp (Pre/Pro, AVR, etc.) may not be 1V. My meager OPPO 105 puts out 2.1VRMS. That's to a 150X5 amp. I have had the SPL meter up to 106db at the MLP.

Is that max output of my amp? I don't know...haven't measured it. I do know that the sound was clean and nothing was distorting.
post #23319 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I wish I could afford a new high quality HD Pre/Pro and a matching 5 channel 200watt amp at one purchase. I have to save up and get them one at a time. For the money the UMC1 was a great
deal..... too bad it soo many bad problems. Maybe the UMC2 will not have any HDMI switching issues. Time will tell as I am in no hurry... saving my $$. I almost had enough for the XPA-5 that was on sale now they are gone and the price is higher for the gen II. I will look into the Shearbourn 5X200 and their Pre/Pro for a future purchase.

Don't feel bad that you don't have those high quality pre-pros. I have checked the specs of the high end Integra pre-pro and guess what same 1.2V peak pre-out voltage.

I am yet to see any reviewer measure 6-9V as claimed by Emotiva of their pre-amp. Even if I get 3V at say half the volume, I can get full power from pretty much any amp on this planet. But the problem is there isn't much processing on these analog pre-amps i.e no room correction, limited bass management etc. I was thinking about taking the pre-out output from the AVR and feed that to an amp via the analog pre-amp. Never experimented that when I had the USP-1

An amp manufacturer is always going to sell you an amp based on its WPC. You have to challenge them that it is a viable solution only if you can supply the input sensitivity of that amp i.e 1V or 2.8V or whatever, distortion free, which is nor practical with an AVR. Ask them to give you such a solution. They will back off like the guy from WIRED 4 SOUND did. WPC of an amp is a rating which you will not see at all from an amp using AVR as a pre-pro. Like I said before try a bump box like Samson but that may also add distortion.

With the kind of dynamic compression on the CD's these days, you never know if it is distortion due to the AVR or the CD itself. To me CD's (made after say mid 90's) sound awful at all volumes.

Anyway.. if you like how the amp sounds, that's all matters smile.gif
post #23320 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Max volume on different devices in front of the amp (Pre/Pro, AVR, etc.) may not be 1V. My meager OPPO 105 puts out 2.1VRMS. That's to a 150X5 amp. I have had the SPL meter up to 106db at the MLP.

Is that max output of my amp? I don't know...haven't measured it. I do know that the sound was clean and nothing was distorting.

Yeah CD players also output 2V but the pre-out from an AVR is not going to be 2V. When the AVR spec says 1V as pre-out, I presume it is the max output the AVR can produce. There was a review of Yamaha RX-V2400 where the reviewer measured 1.2V just before clipping. A Marantz AVR measured some 6V!! Don't recall the model.

I guess you could take the output of a CD player and use it directly with an integrated amp if the CD player has volume control. Int. amps generally have volume control also. But they are mostly 2ch and no room correction or bass manager or very limited bass management. It may work out if you use a separate bass EQ like Antimode like I do. I have to start experimenting some int. amps. I still would prefer some manual EQ of the mains. I just sold my Behringer DEQ24/96 31 band per channel digital EQ. Just too many equipment in the chain. So not very excited about going that route.
post #23321 of 35259
Just because an avr says its pre out is 1.2v does not mean that at 1.2v its distorting (your just assuming that). And if the pre outs on avrs are so weak as you say then why would the avr set my speakers to -9 when i run mccac and not a much higher level if the signal is so weak? When i added an amp it was the opposite. The avr lowered the speakers even more from what they had set them at with no amp (different avr but same results).
post #23322 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

...why would the avr set my speakers to -9 when i run mccac and not a much higher level if the signal is so weak? When i added an amp it was the opposite. The avr lowered the speakers even more from what they had set them at with no amp (different avr but same results).

Hey, Reference. To clarify, are you saying that using the AVR alone set your speakers to "-9" or is that with the amps?
post #23323 of 35259
With the amo xpa-5 amp it sets most of the speakers in that range. With my new amp it sets them a little higher in the -7 range. With my old avr it set them close to that with the emo amp and with no amp it set them at around -4. I have not ran the test with the new avr with no amp. But with the amp i assume the gain is higher being that it set the speakers at a lower level.
post #23324 of 35259
I would think that if the pre out signal was really weak it would set the speakers much higher than without the amp. Now i have read (but don't know) that it sets the level so at 0db your at reference level?
post #23325 of 35259
Ummm... "Off Topic", anyone?

Three days ago, someone posted that they weren't "getting enough out of" their Klipsch speakers, and wondered whether or not they should upgrade to a more powerful receiver. One of the replies was a suggestion that they "Buy an external 2 channel amp instead"... which immediately blossomed into what has become an unbelievably involved, incredibly intricate, extremely technical and highly opinionated three-day-long debate about the merits (or lack, thereof) of doing so.

All very interesting, I suppose... but it's also a topic that has nothing to do with speakers per se -- Klipsch or otherwise -- and it's taken up 90% of the past three day's posts. Surely, there are more relevant and content-appropriate threads available.

Just sayin'.
post #23326 of 35259
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

Ummm... "Off Topic", anyone?

Three days ago, someone posted that they weren't "getting enough out of" their Klipsch speakers, and wondered whether or not they should upgrade to a more powerful receiver. One of the replies was a suggestion that they "Buy an external 2 channel amp instead"... which immediately blossomed into what has become an unbelievably involved, incredibly intricate, extremely technical and highly opinionated three-day-long debate about the merits (or lack, thereof) of doing so.

All very interesting, I suppose... but it's also a topic that has nothing to do with speakers per se -- Klipsch or otherwise -- and it's taken up 90% of the past three day's posts. Surely, there are more relevant and content-appropriate threads available.

Just sayin'.
it's been worse rolleyes.gif
this crops up every few months & then it's off to the " amp vs amp's don't work " races . . . anyone know the thread where the amp vs AVR thread is soo we can steer these folks that way smile.gif

Just Sayin' wink.gif
post #23327 of 35259
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

Ummm... "Off Topic", anyone?

Three days ago, someone posted that they weren't "getting enough out of" their Klipsch speakers, and wondered whether or not they should upgrade to a more powerful receiver. One of the replies was a suggestion that they "Buy an external 2 channel amp instead"... which immediately blossomed into what has become an unbelievably involved, incredibly intricate, extremely technical and highly opinionated three-day-long debate about the merits (or lack, thereof) of doing so.

All very interesting, I suppose... but it's also a topic that has nothing to do with speakers per se -- Klipsch or otherwise -- and it's taken up 90% of the past three day's posts. Surely, there are more relevant and content-appropriate threads available.

Just sayin'.



Well, if you have a Klipsch speaker question just ask it..................being that you are new here.......... there is always several members asking different questions here at the same time. Jus sayin smile.gif

This off topic info to you, was a money saver to me.
post #23328 of 35259
& better than no discussion at all...
post #23329 of 35259
That comment quoted from Tom Danley was very informative. Thank you to whoever posted it. It kind of goes with the Pro Audio guys who I've seen more than once say "When choosing an amp, aim for sustained wattage four times the max rating of your speakers". Tom Danley is a Pro Sound guy, with probably one of the best products in the world, and his comments are very logical.

As for input sensitivity, this is why I think an external amp needs to have adjustable gains. I'm running an inuke 3000 from my Onkyo 818, and I can get the clip lights to flutter with certain movie tracks, and the preouts set at 0db, which to me means that the amp inputs are sensitive enough (gains at 1o'clock) and the preout voltage is good enough (0db).

It all has to do with gain structure.
post #23330 of 35259
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

Ummm... "Off Topic", anyone?

Three days ago, someone posted that they weren't "getting enough out of" their Klipsch speakers, and wondered whether or not they should upgrade to a more powerful receiver. One of the replies was a suggestion that they "Buy an external 2 channel amp instead"... which immediately blossomed into what has become an unbelievably involved, incredibly intricate, extremely technical and highly opinionated three-day-long debate about the merits (or lack, thereof) of doing so.

All very interesting, I suppose... but it's also a topic that has nothing to do with speakers per se -- Klipsch or otherwise -- and it's taken up 90% of the past three day's posts. Surely, there are more relevant and content-appropriate threads available.

Just sayin'.


There is nothing set on stone about what topic to discuss. Some people are trying to figure out whether to use an amp with the Klipsch speakers and everything discussed has been appropriate and educative. There is always going to be some digression in any thread and there is always going to be difference of opinion. It is not like we are discussing about the Miss USA pageant here for people to get all upset. As long as the mods are not jumping in to restore sanity to the thread, we are doing ok.

If amps/AVR's are nothing to do with speakers, then what are they to do with? LOL
post #23331 of 35259
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

All very interesting, I suppose... but it's also a topic that has nothing to do with speakers per se -- Klipsch or otherwise -- and it's taken up 90% of the past three day's posts. Surely, there are more relevant and content-appropriate threads available.

Just sayin'.

I have two opinions on this post: 1) I agree completely if a person doesn't use the search option. 2) I totally disagree when it comes to the misconception on what it takes to drive Klipsch speakers...

Fwiw, I am giving none of y'all a thumbs up and hate that new added feature. cool.gif
post #23332 of 35259
ZT thumbs up to you, LoL
post #23333 of 35259
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Well, if you have a Klipsch speaker question just ask it..................being that you are new here.......... there is always several members asking different questions here at the same time. Jus sayin smile.gif

This off topic info to you, was a money saver to me.


While I'm relatively new to this forum, I've owned Klipsch speakers for the past twelve years... and if you've read my other posts in this thread, it should be obvious that I have no problem at all asking questions that specifically pertain to them. Nor have I had the slightest problem admitting that I'm new "here".


Of course there are other people asking multiple questions at the same time. It's a thread in a forum. My point (and fastslappy's) was that it's a Klipsch Speaker thread, not an "amp vs AVR" one. And while that discussion may have been a "moneysaver" for you... it'd more than likely be a moneysaver for both you and quite a few additional people as well, were it to have taken place in a more topic-related thread.

So... right back at 'ya. Well, if you have an "amp vs AVR" question, just ask it. In an appropriate thread.

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

& better than no discussion at all...


At twenty-three-thousand, three-hundred-and-thirty-some posts, on a seven-hundred-and-seventy-eight page thread... you're concerned about the possibility of "no discussion at all"? wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

There is always going to be some digression in any thread and there is always going to be difference of opinion.


I'm acutely aware that "There is always going to be some digression in any thread and there is always going to be difference of opinion." I welcome and encourage differences of opinion. I'm just not so sure that I'd call monopolizing three entire day's worth of posts, "some" digression.

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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

If amps/AVR's are nothing to do with speakers, then what are they to do with? LOL

That's neither what I said, nor -- obviously -- what I meant. If you re-read what I wrote, you'll note that I said "...it's also a topic that has nothing to do with speakers per se -- Klipsch or otherwise...", which is true. Sorry, but the "amp vs AVR" topic has nothing to do with speakers.

The AVS Forum contains dozens and dozens of sub-forums, hundreds upon hundreds of threads, and hundreds of thousands of posts. The whole point to keeping threads "on topic", is that most of us don't have unlimited time to leisurely cruise the entirety of the AVS Forum, randomly hoping to inadvertently glean useful information. Ergo: topic-specific sub-forums and threads.

Are you honestly telling me that if you wanted to gain a better understanding of the possible relationships between a separate amplifier and an AVR, you'd start reading the Klipsch Speaker thread???
post #23334 of 35259
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

So there is a guy on Craigslist selling his RF-82 and RC-62 (originals) for 400. They seem to be in decent shape. Is this a good price? How different are they from the 82ii and 62ii? I'm using a denon 4311 with a SVS PB 12+ if it helps
Right now I have VF 35 and an old klipsch center, I think it's c20? Not sure, I'm not at home.

I am pretty inexperienced with a lot of this but $400 for a pair of RF-82's AND a RC-62 center sounds like a great deal. I just paid $280 for a pair of RF-52's and thought that was a decent deal.
post #23335 of 35259
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

While I'm relatively new to this forum, I've owned Klipsch speakers for the past twelve years... and if you've read my other posts in this thread, it should be obvious that I have no problem at all asking questions that specifically pertain to them. Nor have I had the slightest problem admitting that I'm new "here".


Of course there are other people asking multiple questions at the same time. It's a thread in a forum. My point (and fastslappy's) was that it's a Klipsch Speaker thread, not an "amp vs AVR" one. And while that discussion may have been a "moneysaver" for you... it'd more than likely be a moneysaver for both you and quite a few additional people as well, were it to have taken place in a more topic-related thread.

So... right back at 'ya. Well, if you have an "amp vs AVR" question, just ask it. In an appropriate thread.
At twenty-three-thousand, three-hundred-and-thirty-some posts, on a seven-hundred-and-seventy-eight page thread... you're concerned about the possibility of "no discussion at all"? wink.gif
I'm acutely aware that "There is always going to be some digression in any thread and there is always going to be difference of opinion." I welcome and encourage differences of opinion. I'm just not so sure that I'd call monopolizing three entire day's worth of posts, "some" digression.
That's neither what I said, nor -- obviously -- what I meant. If you re-read what I wrote, you'll note that I said "...it's also a topic that has nothing to do with speakers per se -- Klipsch or otherwise...", which is true. Sorry, but the "amp vs AVR" topic has nothing to do with speakers.

The AVS Forum contains dozens and dozens of sub-forums, hundreds upon hundreds of threads, and hundreds of thousands of posts. The whole point to keeping threads "on topic", is that most of us don't have unlimited time to leisurely cruise the entirety of the AVS Forum, randomly hoping to inadvertently glean useful information. Ergo: topic-specific sub-forums and threads.

Are you honestly telling me that if you wanted to gain a better understanding of the possible relationships between a separate amplifier and an AVR, you'd start reading the Klipsch Speaker thread???

What does this post have to do with Klipsch speakers?? Please do a search before posting non Klipsch questions here. wink.gif
post #23336 of 35259
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

So there is a guy on Craigslist selling his RF-82 and RC-62 (originals) for 400. They seem to be in decent shape. Is this a good price? How different are they from the 82ii and 62ii? I'm using a denon 4311 with a SVS PB 12+ if it helps
Right now I have VF 35 and an old klipsch center, I think it's c20? Not sure, I'm not at home.

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Originally Posted by auceny View Post

I am pretty inexperienced with a lot of this but $400 for a pair of RF-82's AND a RC-62 center sounds like a great deal. I just paid $280 for a pair of RF-52's and thought that was a decent deal.

I totally agree with Auceny. If they end up looking like they've been well cared-for, you'd be crazy not to go for it!
post #23337 of 35259
What's the difference between the originals and the ii series?
post #23338 of 35259
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Originally Posted by auceny View Post

I am pretty inexperienced with a lot of this but $400 for a pair of RF-82's AND a RC-62 center sounds like a great deal. I just paid $280 for a pair of RF-52's and thought that was a decent deal.

That is a good deal. I just sold a mint 2010 RC-62 for $285.00 shipped. I had posted before that there is some good deals on used Klipsch from guys that upgrade. I purchased two of my Synergey Sub 12" used 5 years ago for $320.00 for both. They retailed new for $499.00 plus freight when they were new. Same with my Klipsch KLF C7 center I found it here for $250.00 shipped.
post #23339 of 35259
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Originally Posted by 06GTOguy View Post

What's the difference between the originals and the ii series?

Not much, the cross overs are a bit different and the the grills look different as I listened to both when the RC-62II came out, the prices dropped on the RC-62. And after I listened to both of them I went for the better deal on that auction site. Click on the links from the factory and compair them from the spec pages. I enjoyed my RC-62 for several years. I now have the larger C-7 as I use my old Cornwalls for fronts (RC-62 hasTi diaphragms) and you can buy a phenolic diaphragm for the big tweeter horn that matchs my Cornwalls.
http://www.klipsch.com/rc-62
http://www.klipsch.com/rc-62-ii-center-speaker
Edited by Louis Bartay - 7/11/13 at 5:50am
post #23340 of 35259
I'm going to check them out Saturday. He has some RS-3s that he was using as surrounds that I think I will check out when I'm there. This will be a good upgrade for me if I get the whole 5.0 setup
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