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post #23821 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Thumbs UP Mongo.. AJ72 C7 for $200.00 go for it, Do NOT let this one get away.. for the mid horns for Ti on the KLF20/30 you have to go to Klipsch. Crites has them for the tweeters that will fit the the large

"tweeter horn" in the C7 that "LOOKS" like a KLF "mid horn" but it has a small tweeter throat so the KLF tweeter diaphragm fits. Do the "caps" in the KLF30 cross overs before the Ti mid horns if $$ is a concern. The poly diaphragm sound great in the mid horns but later on match them up with Ti if the rest of your system has Ti...timber match them all.

I found this out when I was looking for a phenolic diaphragm for the horn in my C7(my Crites CT-125 tweeters in my Corns are phoenolic) as are my stock mid horn drivers. Bob Crites informed me about the throat

diameter being smaller in the C7. NOW don't freak out but go to the Klipsch Factory Forum and do a search on the KLF20/30 for a loose motor board. The early production KLF20/30 had a Q.C. problem

with a bad batch of glue and a few after several months of hard use when they were new caused the front or the rear boards to leak. Use your knuckle and tap on the cabinet a inch or two from the seams

on the sides of the cabinets and listen you will hear a dull thud if you find a spot that is loose. Or stand behing the cabinet at Reference level and and listen for a rattle. Most are OK as Klipsch relaced the one's

that came loose free back then and fixed the glue problem. If yours does rattle a bit (most don't notice this) when you have the woofers out reglue them. Some add a wood strap up and down the inside seams and glue it in the corners.Some even build cross braces to stiffen up the cabinet a bass mod. Most just reglue and enjoy.

Again look at the pic's of this replair in the Klipsch factory Forum. Or PM me if your KLF30 rattle a bit as I helped my friend repair two. If I can do this anyone can....same with Crites re-cap kit(not much$$) a DIY with a soldering iron. A cheep network maintance that every Klipsch speaker should have done every 20 years or so.

You have made a major up grade in your system for fronts and center. I like KLF30 better(great bass 3way 2 12") than the F3 (2 ways with 8" woofers) are OK and the KLF10 are OK and most of the Reference towers are just OK (I am spoiled with Cornwalls) The .RF7 and RF7II are a Great too( but Much more expensive) I had a pair and loved them for HT.

Thanks guys. Good advice but I will have to keep searching as they sold for quite a bit more than I was prepared to pay. Two split woofers and cabinets that looked like they'd "been around". They had character like a wooden table in a bar has character but $750.......... I dont think so and all stock components. The KLF C7 was a bargain went for $200 but as I said I already have one. As it stands I'm not upset about this as Ive got my KG 5.5s, KLF C7, KG 4.2s and KG 2's (7.1) all with Crites titaniums and I love the way this sounds. I know that the KLF 30s would be a great add to the system but I'm not regretting not having them as I dont know what I'm missing out on. Ignorance is bliss in this hobby. I will keep looking though.
post #23822 of 35283
Think you are a wise man! You are looking to improve, but not afraid to say NO to a bad deal.
post #23823 of 35283
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Louis, saw where you did that, which is a great idea, but my room is huge.

Last week the 62IIs open box could be had for $400 each, but for that I can get another set of Heresy IIs.

Heresy ROCK if my room had 4 corners I would have a second pair of Heresy for my rears on stands. Or if

I had the $$ and room two more Cornwalls. And one of Bob Crites center speakers or a older vertical Heresy for a center for a 5.2 HT system.

Full range rears for HT are a bit of a over kill but for ALL on for music biggrin.gif

$400.00 buys a nice looking pair of Heresy's. Too me one of the best buys you can make on a Klipsch Heritage speaker.

Raise them up 26" or so and add a sub........ they are Awsome for such a small cabinet. I will never sell my HII or my CW,

purchased them both new back then.
post #23824 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I looked at the RS-62 for my rear wall mounted for my 5.2 and wanted them but at $500.00 or so each(1st model 62 not the 62II) I had to save up more $$. I found a pair of the older NIB RS3-II for $375.00 for the pair. They were in a sealed box but no warranty. I went for it and they have not disappointed me. Look at the specs on the RS3-II they are not as powerfull as the 62 but for the money and my small room the work perfect for my AVR amps. I am going to purchase a seperate 200X5 amp and use my AVR as a Pre/Pro so if I upgrade to the RC-62II I will have the extra power they require. And have the extra head room for all 5 HT speakers for special effects.
http://www.klipsch.com/rs-62-ii-surround-speaker

http://www.klipsch.com/rs-3-ii-surround-speaker

I have a unique room arrangement. I have the dreaded "L" shaped living room/dining room. My only option is for wallhangers.

When I started looking for surrounds, I wanted to go with the dual-6.5" woofers. So, I looked at the KSP-S6. But, those are rare to come by and not very efficient. I do have Chorus II's in the front.

Then I looked at the RS-62's. They are beasts. The originals, not the II's. Plus, they looked like a mini SVS PC sub cut in half. But, will have to paint the woofers black. Can't have no stinkin copper! LOL
post #23825 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

I M O those RS52 will not have enough Punch to be either surrounds or rears
with that size of room you have a lot cubic volume to fill with sound
I myself would go another set of Towers for the surrounds aimed at the couch & RB61 OR RS62 if you can afford them for the rears
If you add heights &/or wide you have to use RB81's
use anything less in size & they will have little if any noticeable effect
Trust me on this ,I tried smaller speaker for heights /wides I couldn't tell they were on at all . Once I got speaks evenly matched with my mains the full wide & high open soundstage was stunning eek.gif
I wasted cash on those smaller speakers , I was advised not to get the smaller ones & i didn't listen , it cost $$$ that could have been spent on other gear .
Big rooms demand big speakers
Ideally I'd get a set of RF-7's move the RF82 to surround duty & then save up some cash & fill out the rest with the above suggestions \
Look at the used market you could do well & get all for fraction of retail
due to WAF ( guy meets girl ,she likes guy , says she likes the sound , they marry , & then reality sets in & she says the towers must go ! ) mad.gif

tower speaker always will be offered on the used market due to this WAF

Thank you for the input. I had not considered the towers as an option. I was surprised at how much sound those crappy computer speakers were producing but it's probably poor quality sound. I hadn't coincide red that room to be big but I did feel the side surrounds were way too far away for my liking. I could get away with towers for side surrounds very easy but no way on the rears. Seems to be a large jump in price from the RS-52 to the RS-62s. I would love to have RF-7s but that's a massive price jump specially considering I would need to upgrade to the RC-64. I check Craig's list every day but here in Colorado it seems no one is selling good klipsch speakers unless you want the massive discontinued models that everyone on this thread seems to like a lot.

I was considering the R-5800 in-wall speakers for heights. I know some people are not fond of them for some reason but I don't think they are utilized much in movies to make to much difference. Is this incorrect thinking?
post #23826 of 35283
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Originally Posted by jugger View Post

Thank you for the input. I had not considered the towers as an option. I was surprised at how much sound those crappy computer speakers were producing but it's probably poor quality sound. I hadn't coincide red that room to be big but I did feel the side surrounds were way too far away for my liking. I could get away with towers for side surrounds very easy but no way on the rears. Seems to be a large jump in price from the RS-52 to the RS-62s. I would love to have RF-7s but that's a massive price jump specially considering I would need to upgrade to the RC-64. I check Craig's list every day but here in Colorado it seems no one is selling good klipsch speakers unless you want the massive discontinued models that everyone on this thread seems to like a lot.

I was considering the R-5800 in-wall speakers for heights. I know some people are not fond of them for some reason but I don't think they are utilized much in movies to make to much difference. Is this incorrect thinking?

Big room = big speakers.
post #23827 of 35283
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Originally Posted by jugger View Post

Thank you for the input. I had not considered the towers as an option. I was surprised at how much sound those crappy computer speakers were producing but it's probably poor quality sound. I hadn't coincide red that room to be big but I did feel the side surrounds were way too far away for my liking. I could get away with towers for side surrounds very easy but no way on the rears. Seems to be a large jump in price from the RS-52 to the RS-62s. I would love to have RF-7s but that's a massive price jump specially considering I would need to upgrade to the RC-64. I check Craig's list every day but here in Colorado it seems no one is selling good klipsch speakers unless you want the massive discontinued models that everyone on this thread seems to like a lot.

I was considering the R-5800 in-wall speakers for heights. I know some people are not fond of them for some reason but I don't think they are utilized much in movies to make to much difference. Is this incorrect thinking?

Here's a pair on the Klipsch forum that happen to be in Vail,Colorado for a good price imho........

http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/175352.aspx
post #23828 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I have a unique room arrangement. I have the dreaded "L" shaped living room/dining room. My only option is for wallhangers.

When I started looking for surrounds, I wanted to go with the dual-6.5" woofers. So, I looked at the KSP-S6. But, those are rare to come by and not very efficient. I do have Chorus II's in the front.

Then I looked at the RS-62's. They are beasts. The originals, not the II's. Plus, they looked like a mini SVS PC sub cut in half. But, will have to paint the woofers black. Can't have no stinkin copper! LOL

http://www.klipsch.com/ksp-s6-surround-speaker I have never seen them before......I like the looks of them. I don't mind the copper colored woofers, the grills hide them on my RS-3II. Not sure that painting them is a good idea, but I have never done this so take that for what it is worth. smile.gif The Omnimount 30.0 are hard to beat for wall brackets. I looked for months at so many different wall brackets. I almost went with the small adjustable flatt screen wall mounts. But I found the 30.0 on Ebay NIB for $25.00 each........ one retails for more then what I paid for both plus shipping $12.00 when you can find them in stock right now. Check Ebay for them, the other day they was a pair of 30.0 WA-AFK stainles steel and they are rated at 30 pounds each. Sears use to stock them but the last time I looked they were out. My friend has 4 KLF20/C7 and a SVS PB 13 Ultra WOW what a nice HT system. You will have to spend Big bucks to blow his system away. That SVS sub he has is AWSOME as is several others. The Danley DTS10 is another sub on my wish list.
post #23829 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Can't have no stinkin copper! LOL

Hey now! I thought we were pals Mongo! frown.gif

post #23830 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Tasdom View Post

Hey now! I thought we were pals Mongo! frown.gif


He is jus kiddin he hates stinkin AVR's too biggrin.gif nice looking system.
post #23831 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

http://www.klipsch.com/ksp-s6-surround-speaker I have never seen them before......I like the looks of them. I don't mind the copper colored woofers, the grills hide them on my RS-3II. Not sure that painting them is a good idea, but I have never done this so take that for what it is worth. smile.gif The Omnimount 30.0 are hard to beat for wall brackets. I looked for months at so many different wall brackets. I almost went with the small adjustable flatt screen wall mounts. But I found the 30.0 on Ebay NIB for $25.00 each........ one retails for more then what I paid for both plus shipping $12.00 when you can find them in stock right now. Check Ebay for them, the other day they was a pair of 30.0 WA-AFK stainles steel and they are rated at 30 pounds each. Sears use to stock them but the last time I looked they were out. My friend has 4 KLF20/C7 and a SVS PB 13 Ultra WOW what a nice HT system. You will have to spend Big bucks to blow his system away. That SVS sub he has is AWSOME as is several others. The Danley DTS10 is another sub on my wish list.

Before I sold my La Scala's, they were my mains, with Chorus II's as surrounds.

My sub is the cylinder version of the PB13-Ultra.
post #23832 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Before I sold my La Scala's, they were my mains, with Chorus II's as surrounds.

My sub is the cylinder version of the PB13-Ultra.

I like the cylinder better for movies( we jammed them both before he purchased) not that the Ultra ported box is bass shy but it seems to be a bit more at home on music.

I am suprised you sold the LaScala's as you had a killer system with those and Chorus for rears for HT.
post #23833 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Tasdom View Post

Hey now! I thought we were pals Mongo! frown.gif


Hey now! We are friends. Your copper looks damb good!!! biggrin.gif
post #23834 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I like the cylinder better for movies( we jammed them both before he purchased) not that the Ultra ported box is bass shy but it seems to be a bit more at home on music.

I am suprised you sold the LaScala's as you had a killer system with those and Chorus for rears for HT.

Well...too much beer and too much KoRn = 2 blown K-33's. Plus, as you'll soon see, I just don't have room for the La Scala's.
post #23835 of 35283
Here is my back wall. My MLP can be seen next to the lamp...blue La-Z-Boy



Here is my rack with my right front to the left of it. The speaker is pointing towards the MLP. It is 6' away.



This is from the MLP. Front main to the right. PC13-Ultra behind on the right side of the TV. 11' away. The Academy is 9' away.



Please excuse the mess. Behind my bathroom vanity is my left main from the MLP. It is 12' away. My next PC13-Ultra will be going to the left of the CD shelves.



This is from the TV looking at my MLP. I'm going to put an RS-62 on either side of the windows.


Edited by Mongo171 - 7/31/13 at 8:40am
post #23836 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Well...too much beer and too much KoRn = 2 blown K-33's. Plus, as you'll soon see, I just don't have room for the La Scala's.

I understand..... I have blown a few T-35 tweeters back in the 70's after a "Stones" concert..cool.gif . Pop had me install 1 amp fast burn fuse holders on the + side of my Cornwalls speaker wires when I got them

new so I did not destroy any drivers I like the E.V. 3 way towers I had back then. They were a kit you built, that looked like a tall Heresy with the same looking horns.

My Brother had LaScala and Pop had Klipschorns and both required a much larger room then my little den. Corns are the max for my room... WOW they have never sounded this strong or full

as they do now. Small room and Crites new Type B networks and his CT-125 tweeters sure did make them come alive again. It's about time to call Bob crites and order a re-cap kit for my HII

now.
Edited by Louis Bartay - 7/31/13 at 8:41am
post #23837 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Well...too much beer and too much KoRn = 2 blown K-33's.
Easy to fix; not too expensive either.
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Plus, as you'll soon see, I just don't have room for the La Scala's.
Two answers to that:
  1. inset La Scala into wall (okay, room is still needed somewhere, so that may be cheating; but mine is in a closet!)
  2. klipschorns tucked into corners
post #23838 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

He is jus kiddin he hates stinkin AVR's too biggrin.gif nice looking system.

lol I know and thanks
post #23839 of 35283
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Easy to fix; not too expensive either.
Two answers to that:
  1. inset La Scala into wall (okay, room is still needed somewhere, so that may be cheating; but mine is in a closet!)
  2. klipschorns tucked into corners

I just opened up my AT1505 and kicked one spider all the way out of frame. The other K-33 wasn't much better. Now, I have learned my lesson about MAX POWER HANDLING. eek.gif

Well, IF I still had the LS's, the right main would be inset into the kitchen.

There are only 2 good corners in those 2 combined rooms. One is on the back wall to the left of my MLP. The other is in the formal dining room about 10' behind where my left Chorus II is at.

Here's my left front 6' away.



I'm not showing my copper undies. tongue.gif
post #23840 of 35283
Just messin' with you... Sorry!
post #23841 of 35283
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Easy to fix; not too expensive either.
Two answers to that:
  1. inset La Scala into wall (okay, room is still needed somewhere, so that may be cheating; but mine is in a closet!)
  2. klipschorns tucked into corners

We had Pop's Khorns in two different homes over the years and always in corners. They imaged and sounded the best (to us) when they were about 20' apart and we sat about 22' back against the opposite wall centered . Pop had new McIntosh tube seperates on them AWSOME ........ I have wanted a pair of those for many years but kids and bills came first. Now I am retired and purchased a much small home...taxs and electric bills are MUCH less. Now I don't have a room large enough for them until I remodel my 2 car garage. Then It's my turn and a Danley DTS10 sub. I noticed your avator....you must like a folded horn bass bin too.
post #23842 of 35283
KHorns sound great with the sweet spot at the crosshairs of the speakers, so 10 feet from the front wall with them 20 feet apart. I loved them 18 feet apart and used them in a 11-foot deep room once, so maybe you don't need as much room as you think! wink.gif

As for my avatar, yeah, fully horn-loaded La Scala center and KHorn main with a horn-loaded sub leads to a fully horn-loaded system! I missed out on the original deal on the Danly DTS-10 and so built the THT sub.
post #23843 of 35283
How does the reference series compare with the THX series? I just ordered 3x KL-650 and 2x KS-525 and as I compare their specs with that of the RB-81 and the RS-52, it almost seems like the reference series is either equal or better, yet somehow less expensive. Am I missing something? Since I'll be using them 95% of the time for movies, is it best to stick with the THX?

Thank you,

Jonathan
post #23844 of 35283
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Originally Posted by jklick View Post

How does the reference series compare with the THX series? I just ordered 3x KL-650 and 2x KS-525 and as I compare their specs with that of the RB-81 and the RS-52, it almost seems like the reference series is either equal or better, yet somehow less expensive. Am I missing something? Since I'll be using them 95% of the time for movies, is it best to stick with the THX?

Thank you,

Jonathan

I saw a pic once of a THX woofer and a Reference woofer. The THX woofer's magnet was twice as big as the Reference woofer's.
post #23845 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I saw a pic once of a THX woofer and a Reference woofer. The THX woofer's magnet was twice as big as the Reference woofer's.
How does that affect things? I'm not really a speaker expert (yet). Would this maybe explain why the THX speakers are heavier?
post #23846 of 35283
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

KHorns sound great with the sweet spot at the crosshairs of the speakers, so 10 feet from the front wall with them 20 feet apart. I loved them 18 feet apart and used them in a 11-foot deep room once, so maybe you don't need as much room as you think! wink.gif

As for my avatar, yeah, fully horn-loaded La Scala center and KHorn main with a horn-loaded sub leads to a fully horn-loaded system! I missed out on the original deal on the Danly DTS-10 and so built the THT sub.

You could be correct my Step Mother had her way with the furniture in Pop's home's. mad.gif we had to work around her coffe table etc. My den is about 10X14 and a rounded fireplace on the right corner cuts off the front wall so my Corns are 6.5' apart and sofa same back and rears are 6.5' behind us. And the rears are in-line with the fronts. The rear of my room opens up to a dinning room so I don't have two rear corners. Next year I will use my income tax refund to remodel the attached 2 car garage.... Khorns for fronts and Cornwalls for rears for my 5.2 HT system and analog room. I noticed now that Danley has the DTS10 factory made now and not in a kit. Coyote I think or a friend of his has two DTS10 subs with those huge 402 horns "Jubilee" WOW I have not heard them yet and maybe it's better that way so I don't dislike what I do have and have enjoyed for 30 plus years.
post #23847 of 35283
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

Next year I will use my income tax refund to remodel the attached 2 car garage.... Khorns for fronts and Cornwalls for rears for my 5.2 HT system and analog room. I noticed now that Danley has the DTS10 factory made now and not in a kit. Coyote I think or a friend of his has two DTS10 subs with those huge 402 horns "Jubilee" WOW I have not heard them yet and maybe it's better that way so I don't dislike what I do have and have enjoyed for 30 plus years.

Your system will rock, trust me. But do go audition Coytee's system if invited! I would!
post #23848 of 35283
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Originally Posted by jklick View Post

How does the reference series compare with the THX series? I just ordered 3x KL-650 and 2x KS-525 and as I compare their specs with that of the RB-81 and the RS-52, it almost seems like the reference series is either equal or better, yet somehow less expensive. Am I missing something? Since I'll be using them 95% of the time for movies, is it best to stick with the THX?

Thank you,

Jonathan
for what Klipsch charges for the THX line , you might look at the Pro cinema line

http://www.klipsch.com/cinema-speakers
i feel I M O that the THX line is way over priced for what you get .
post #23849 of 35283
You make a good point, as does Fs, why not compare Reference to Pro Cinema, & let us know what you find?
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Originally Posted by jklick View Post

How does the reference series compare with the THX series? I just ordered 3x KL-650 and 2x KS-525 and as I compare their specs with that of the RB-81 and the RS-52, it almost seems like the reference series is either equal or better, yet somehow less expensive. Am I missing something? Since I'll be using them 95% of the time for movies, is it best to stick with the THX?

Thank you,

Jonathan
for what Klipsch charges for the THX line , you might look at the Pro cinema line

http://www.klipsch.com/cinema-speakers
i feel I M O that the THX line is way over priced for what you get .
post #23850 of 35283
Louis ,
2 car garage huh ?

get these ; http://www.klipsch.com/kpt-mcm-3-grand#ReviewHeader

read the review on that page , of the guy who put these in his basement
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