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anyone looking at a Killer 7 channel HT power amp Sherbourn has a wicked sale on now ,They merged with Emotiva & are branding everything as Emo now so the older stock is at a Huge discount
7 channels @350 watts $999 last week they were @ $2800.oo

http://www.sherbourn.com/collections/theater/products/pa7350


other items as well

http://www.sherbourn.com/collections/theater

the news release

http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=932a2354c1740f054c855be6f&id=e39230c6d5&e=1c34b68c48
Edited by Fastslappy - 8/6/13 at 12:52pm
post #24152 of 35269
Wow, very good price. I used to have their very first 200Wx5 amp and it was a solid performance amp.
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

anyone looking at a Killer 7 channel HT power amp Sherbourn has a wicked sale on now ,They merged with Emotiva & are branding everything as Emo now so the older stock is at a Huge discount
7 channels @350 watts $999 last week they were @ $2800.oo

http://www.sherbourn.com/collections/theater/products/pa7350


other items as well

http://www.sherbourn.com/collections/theater

the news release

http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=932a2354c1740f054c855be6f&id=e39230c6d5&e=1c34b68c48



I am ordering RF 82II X 2/ RC 62II/ RS 52II X 2/ RB 51II X 2 and HSU VTF 15 for a 7.1 system, which of their AV/ AMP would you recommend?
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^^ I would take the Denon X4000 receiver to start out. Add an Amp later if needed.
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

^^ I would take the Denon X4000 receiver to start out. Add an Amp later if needed.

I agree and this is coming from a guy that uses separate amps. Not saying that amps are not needed or wanted, but it is something that is just as easily added later. It helps keep down the up front cost.
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Originally Posted by booga24 View Post

I am ordering RF 82II X 2/ RC 62II/ RS 52II X 2/ RB 51II X 2 and HSU VTF 15 for a 7.1 system, which of their AV/ AMP would you recommend?
that 7 channel 350 is the best bang for buck & you've future proofed yourself on any speaker up grades down the road with a 10 warranty with the amp
you could get away with any good mid priced AVR as long as it has 7 channels of preouts
any mid priced AVR would act as a Pre/Pro for that amp
BUT in reality that 7 channel 150 watt amp would work just as well with those RF82 based systems of yours that's a hellva deal as well .
http://www.sherbourn.com/collections/theater/products/pa7150
Sherboun is very well respected & has been for years as they mostly were sold by installers
these items will not last any time at all with those prices
post #24157 of 35269
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

that 7 channel 350 is the best bang for buck & you've future proofed yourself on any speaker up grades down the road with a 10 warranty with the amp
you could get away with any good mid priced AVR as long as it has 7 channels of preouts
any mid priced AVR would act as a Pre/Pro for that amp
BUT in reality that 7 channel 150 watt amp would work just as well with those RF82 based systems of yours that's a hellva deal as well .
http://www.sherbourn.com/collections/theater/products/pa7150
Sherboun is very well respected & has been for years as they mostly were sold by installers
these items will not last any time at all with those prices


Not to start another AV/ AMP debate but in reality would 7 channel 150 watt amp with Denon 3313 give me any extra from just using the Denon alone?
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Originally Posted by booga24 View Post

Not to start another AV/ AMP debate but in reality would 7 channel 150 watt amp with Denon 3313 give me any extra from just using the Denon alone?
this how Sherbourn explains what we've been talking about when AVR MFGers claim power ratings



Multichannel Power
When Rated Power Isn’t Enough

When you buy a receiver that boasts of “100W x 7” output, why does it frequently sound so much weaker than a lesser-rated Sherbourn component?

The answer is that companies rate their multichannel power amps or receivers in different ways, and some of these mask the limitations in their products.

For instance, you may see a receiver claiming 0.05% THD (total harmonic distortion) rated at 1 watt, but they make no claim for their rated “maximum” power. Similarly, you may see a product rated for “7 x 100 watts” with no statement as to how the test was made. If you run only a single channel at a time, it might do 100 watts output, but if you run all channels at the same time, the power output drops significantly.

Sherbourn products all use overbuilt power supplies with massive toroidal transformers, together with discrete amplification and output stages that allow us to be completely honest in our ratings. That’s why you’ll see all of our products rated for THD at their maximum power, and with all channels driven. If we say our 7 x 150 watt amp delivers 7 x 150 watts at 0.05% THD, that’s exactly what it will do, with all channels running full-out, continuously, and with THD rated at the maximum output power, not at 1W.

This extreme approach to engineering and specification results in amplifiers that frequently perform at levels much higher than you’d expect, with the effortless headroom you need for dynamic music and movies. It’s one of the things that separates professional-caliber components from consumer-level products—and one of the reasons we feel confident to offer a 10-year warranty on our gear.
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The pricing on those Sherbourns is amazing, I'd buy the 7-350 in a heartbeat but it wont fit in my 20" deep MA rack (I was extremely limited in depth and couldn't fit a deeper rack).
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Thx soooo much for posting Sherbourn deal! My XPA-5 is going back and Sherbourn 7-350 coming in. Was going to need, at some point buy another amp for 7.x. I will no longer need to do that ;-) once again- thx!
post #24161 of 35269
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Originally Posted by WroboBuckeye View Post

Thx soooo much for posting Sherbourn deal! My XPA-5 is going back and Sherbourn 7-350 coming in. Was going to need, at some point buy another amp for 7.x. I will no longer need to do that ;-) once again- thx!
I just had a another friend of mine on the Sharp 80" 632 thread buy it as well . if they made a 2 channel 350 watter I'd buy both mad.gif
but I need 9 channels all the same but I'm going actives soon so it looks like 3 XPA-3's are in my future the XPA's will push the woofers & my UPA's will push my horns
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

this how Sherbourn explains what we've been talking about when AVR MFGers claim power ratings



Multichannel Power
When Rated Power Isn’t Enough

When you buy a receiver that boasts of “100W x 7” output, why does it frequently sound so much weaker than a lesser-rated Sherbourn component?

The answer is that companies rate their multichannel power amps or receivers in different ways, and some of these mask the limitations in their products.

For instance, you may see a receiver claiming 0.05% THD (total harmonic distortion) rated at 1 watt, but they make no claim for their rated “maximum” power. Similarly, you may see a product rated for “7 x 100 watts” with no statement as to how the test was made. If you run only a single channel at a time, it might do 100 watts output, but if you run all channels at the same time, the power output drops significantly.

Sherbourn products all use overbuilt power supplies with massive toroidal transformers, together with discrete amplification and output stages that allow us to be completely honest in our ratings. That’s why you’ll see all of our products rated for THD at their maximum power, and with all channels driven. If we say our 7 x 150 watt amp delivers 7 x 150 watts at 0.05% THD, that’s exactly what it will do, with all channels running full-out, continuously, and with THD rated at the maximum output power, not at 1W.

This extreme approach to engineering and specification results in amplifiers that frequently perform at levels much higher than you’d expect, with the effortless headroom you need for dynamic music and movies. It’s one of the things that separates professional-caliber components from consumer-level products—and one of the reasons we feel confident to offer a 10-year warranty on our gear.

that's all pretty standard to think about when looking at stats...
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Originally Posted by booga24 View Post

Not to start another AV/ AMP debate but in reality would 7 channel 150 watt amp with Denon 3313 give me any extra from just using the Denon alone?
here's some of the findings of a bench tests that were done on a Denon 2313 full review & tests http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-2311ci-av-receiver
Yes it not the exact AVR you refer to but typicality the power drops are similar in the others in the Denon Line ( my Onkyo 5008 also had the same type of per channel wattage drops as well mad.gif )
Most modern AVR are like this
the Pioneer Elite's are way better BUT they use Class "D" amps & they are known to noisy at lower levels & again at higher levels



power actually produced with various channels driven ******* this a paste & cut *********** from part of the linked test .


"Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 83.3 watts
1% distortion at 91.5 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 66.3 watts
1% distortion at 74.7 watts
post #24164 of 35269
WroboBuckeye was quick on the Draw smile.gif

L O L wink.gif

the Sherbourn 350 7 channel amps are sold out already . That was Quick ! eek.gif in matter of hours sold out
they still have the 150-7 in stock but not for long at that price
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

WroboBuckeye was quick on the Draw smile.gif

L O L wink.gif

the Sherbourn 350 7 channel amps are sold out already . That was Quick ! eek.gif in matter of hours sold out
they still have the 150-7 in stock but not for long at that price
No kidding , could not even think about they are all gone .good find fast
post #24166 of 35269
Quick on the draw because of some helpful folks on the forum who do not know me from Adam;-) The camaraderie here is quite awesome.

Sorry for being super chatty of late... Seeing that I have 7 channels of amplification, and a benevolent wife, I now have the go-ahead for rear surrounds . I need to strike while the iron' s hot! Mike has suggested 81's for me. Keep costs down. These will be ceiling mounted. I see no threaded slots to mount them. I am not sure about drilling into the rear of the speaker. Any thoughts on drilling or other options?

I guess I will need to reward the wife with some good loving for her benevolence! Yes u heard that right!;-)
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Originally Posted by booga24 View Post

Not to start another AV/ AMP debate but in reality would 7 channel 150 watt amp with Denon 3313 give me any extra from just using the Denon alone?

From what FastSlappy posted about the Benchmark on the AVR-2313 and that you have slightly more wattage in the AVR-3313, adding a 150 watt per channel to your system could increase the SPL by anywhere from 3 to 5 dB which could help if you want to listen to material louder. Fwiw, there will never be a time where you are going to use full power with all speakers being driven.

I've expressed my thoughts before who could benefit from an amp or not, but to reiterate, the question is if your AVR is rated to drive speakers that are 4 Ohm because it's somewhat disingenuous and adds to the confusion for Klipsch to call these speakers "8 Ohm Compatible." That means that they are for the most part 8 Ohm, but at some frequencies they dip considerably lower (i.e., requires more current)...The RF-7s go as low as 2.8 Ohms at a certain frequencies and my guess some of the other Reference speakers dip between 3 and 4 Ohms but I haven't seen any Frequency Response graphs on those.

Then comes the law of diminishing returns. For the record, any of the amps you are looking at will drive your speakers to Reference Level and quite a few AVRs are rated to drive speakers that are 4 Ohm to that level as well. That said, some do better than others and usually the upper-end models of various companies will drive Klipsch Reference Speakers at Reference level in most mid-sized rooms. I chose AVRs that were THX Ultra II Certified because the are rated to drive speakers that go as low as 3.2 Ohms with all channels being utilized...I was concerned that the Denon AVR-4311ci wouldn't be able to drive my 9.2 Home theater as loud as I was accustomed and I was pleasantly surprised...

After running Audyssey it set my trim levels to anywhere between -6 and -8 to allow me all of the Headroom I need to run my system on multichannel material between -5 and 0 on the main dial. It also gives me the advance version of Audyssey which is more awesome than I expected and given the Denon AVR -4311ci is discontinued, I picked it up at OneCall.com for $1299 (you need to call them to get this price and of course call AVSForum to see if they can match it) delivered and I would not benefit from adding an external amp to my Home Theater.

Of course YMMV and it is your money, but I suggest either calling Klipsch and talking to their CS or posing a question in the AVR section to see what othera have to say--You can't go wrong by purchasing an external amp if you have the cash, but then comes the question of how much more power would be beneficial and what else could you spend that money on. Good Luck.
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Originally Posted by WroboBuckeye View Post

. I am not sure about drilling into the rear of the speaker. Any thoughts on drilling or other options?

I wouldn't drill holes in the back of the speakers and ceiling mounting them seems tricky, but others may have some ideas.
post #24169 of 35269
There should be.a pressure type bracket to hold those.
post #24170 of 35269
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Originally Posted by AJ72 View Post

Thanks guys. Good advice but I will have to keep searching as they sold for quite a bit more than I was prepared to pay. Two split woofers and cabinets that looked like they'd "been around". They had character like a wooden table in a bar has character but $750.......... I dont think so and all stock components. The KLF C7 was a bargain went for $200 but as I said I already have one. As it stands I'm not upset about this as Ive got my KG 5.5s, KLF C7, KG 4.2s and KG 2's (7.1) all with Crites titaniums and I love the way this sounds. I know that the KLF 30s would be a great add to the system but I'm not regretting not having them as I dont know what I'm missing out on. Ignorance is bliss in this hobby. I will keep looking though.

Well it must be fate! The KLF30 (above) were listed on EBAY (Australia) and sold for $750 with a split woofer in each and less than perfect cabinets. As luck would have it the original buyer wasn't aware the speakers didn't come with grills and subsequently forfeited the sale. I saw the speakers relisted and passed in this morning without a bid. I put in an offer post sale for $300 and his wife wanted them out of the house so badly that he accepted. Sounds like a good deal to me although I've only seen pictures but for the price can't go wrong! Looking forward to picking up these beauties on the weekend and making a few of the suggested upgrades down the track. I've now got the KLF C7, KLF 30 front soundstage so quite excited by the front match (kg5.5s now rears). These KLF30 are rare in this country so absolutely over the moon to pick them up and will keep forever if they're as good as they should be after mods. Yeahhhhh!
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Now how to ceiling mount a pair of Heresy?

I'm think an extension of wood from the built in book shelves & some type fail safe maybe mono fishing line.
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kg3 up there now, they MAY have to do...@ least will be easier to ceiling mount...
Edited by SanchoPanza - 8/6/13 at 8:53pm
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Hard to tell, from the photos, but the top bookshelf bottom is perfect height to mount either kg3 or Heresy close to the ceiling.

Build an extension off the Right, add short shelf on Left & add extension, toe both in & angle down. Heresy would use slant risers, mounted backwards, kg3 rubber door stops to angle down.

Secure either with high test fishing line, also lip on shelf extensions all exposed sides.

The Right side will eventually have a false corner.

Suggestions???
Edited by SanchoPanza - 8/6/13 at 9:39pm
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Hey guys, I finally got the right moving arms for my two RS-52 II. I've read that rear speakers should be placed a bit higher than ear level when sitting down.
My question is, since the RS-62 II has two tweater and two cones, each at varying height, which cone or tweater should I use as the measuring point?
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Originally Posted by blue13x View Post

Hey guys, I finally got the right moving arms for my two RS-52 II. I've read that rear speakers should be placed a bit higher than ear level when sitting down.
My question is, since the RS-62 II has two tweater and two cones, each at varying height, which cone or tweater should I use as the measuring point?

The bottom of the speaker.
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Fastslappy, where did your post go?
Edited by SanchoPanza - 8/7/13 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

The bottom of the speaker.
X2
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Originally Posted by AJ72 View Post

Well it must be fate! The KLF30 (above) were listed on EBAY (Australia) and sold for $750 with a split woofer in each and less than perfect cabinets. As luck would have it the original buyer wasn't aware the speakers didn't come with grills and subsequently forfeited the sale. I saw the speakers relisted and passed in this morning without a bid. I put in an offer post sale for $300 ....Yeahhhhh!

Congratulations and if you know what you are doing it may be an excellent deal, but most people would feel uncomfortable purchasing 2 speakers with "split woofers" and no grills. Truthfully, I would wonder what other damage there was and how you split woofers on 2 different speakers...If I am reading this correctly, the seller isn't guarenteeing they work and is selling them "As Is."
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