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post #25981 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

lol now I'm really lost. Do my corns have birch veneer and then solid birch below it?

 

 

Having personally never seen them I'd say an unequivocal "no they do not have solid birch AT ALL"......Unless we are defining plywood with birch veneer as solid birch (I'm not using that definition)

post #25982 of 35202
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post


Maybe. My La Scala don't have any veneer on top of the plywood. Most were plain like that. I don't know what the tag says (I'd have to pull it out). But I guess Raw Birch could be unfinished veneer over plywood.

 

 

Interesting.  When I bought my LaScalas (1979) the least expensive was simply "unfinished birch" which is what I as a poor teenager bought.

 

Even the interior of the doghouse and as best I can tell the section where the crossover sits were all finished in birch as well.

 

Personally, it would make sense to me that they'd use the same type throughout as it would (in my mind) make it easier than having a second pile of wood of another type for certain sections.

 

Then again....  I'll readily admit I have no clue nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

post #25983 of 35202
All old Cornwalls , LaScala , K-horns , Belles all had 7 to 9 layer birch plywood (the higher the layer the better the quality also made it stronger as well ), with a final birch veneer on the outer layer , the outer layer was 1/2 or less the thickness size of the inner layers But was a premium birch veneer that was completely clear of any knots , grain defects , splits Any other species of wood veneer was glued on top to that birch veneer .
Solid wood boards don't work for speakers as a solid board has wood movement IE ; it swells , cups , warps , lengthens ,shortens AND cracks with changing humidity . the thinner the board the more extreme it gets . that's why old desk tops all have really thick boards that are glued so the grains are reversed on each different board this helps stop with the warping ,cupping . those thick boards are also cross braced as well , but even those will move & if no expansion is allowed the board splits
the problem with any wood box is it will not stay square if the is ANY wood movement , plywood does not have wood movement smile.gif

this explains wood movement http://www.woodworkerssource.com/wood_movement.php
post #25984 of 35202
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Originally Posted by coytee View Post


Interesting.  When I bought my LaScalas (1979) the least expensive was simply "unfinished birch" which is what I as a poor teenager bought.

Even the interior of the doghouse and as best I can tell the section where the crossover sits were all finished in birch as well.

Personally, it would make sense to me that they'd use the same type throughout as it would (in my mind) make it easier than having a second pile of wood of another type for certain sections.

Then again....  I'll readily admit I have no clue nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

I supposed what looked to me like plain plywood might have had a veneer on top ((they were second-hand from a cousin of mine and has some digs). But you can see the layers of the plywood on the sides, so it's not veneered as a last step over plywood, but rather the plywood used has a veneer as the last layer.
post #25985 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I thought the same thing. I purchased my raw birch Cornwalls new in 1979 $945.00 with risers. I had them Gloss Piano black veneered at a custom cabinet shop back then and they still look Great.

So was retail around 1500 with finished cabs?
post #25986 of 35202
It's been around 10 years since I last purchased any new speakers, so I wanted to reach out here to get some advice. I have 2 RF-15s, 2 RB-25s, 1 RC-25 and a matching Klipsch 12" SW powered by a Denon 3805. I am still happy with it, but it might be time to retire it to my bedroom and upgrade. It currently resides in my fairly large great room and does so well enough. I have the opportunity to get an RF-52 or RF-62 system for a decent discount. Would either be considered to be a good upgrade over my current setup? Also, what AVR would power either system adequately? Thanks in advance.
post #25987 of 35202
^^ Don't know about the speakers but what is your budget for receiver?
post #25988 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

^^ Don't know about the speakers but what is your budget for receiver?

Somewhere around $1k.
post #25989 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

So was retail around 1500 with finished cabs?

I was 29 back then(1979).... IIRC that was about the retail price for the walnut finish with attached risers, tax.

Hillcrest High Fidelity in Dallas, CBR(raw Birch plywood) Cornwalls s/n 19T906/7 $918.00 and risers were $24.00. The Klipsch dealer

in Fort Worth was out of stock unfinished Cornwalls back then.

In 1989 I purchased a pair of Heresy II new s/n 891110/01 unfinished Birch over (MDF) $795.50 w/o risers $740.00 plus tax.

from Marvin Electronics in Fort Worth. I still have the sales slips from both after all these years. Both are Keepers.

Now both of the Klipsch dealers are out of business... what a shame.
post #25990 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I was 29 back then(1979).... IIRC that was about the retail price for the walnut finish with attached risers, tax.

Hillcrest High Fidelity in Dallas, CBR(raw Birch plywood) Cornwalls s/n 19T906/7 $918.00 and risers were $24.00. The Klipsch dealer

in Fort Worth was out of stock unfinished Cornwalls back then.

In 1989 I purchased a pair of Heresy II new s/n 891110/01 unfinished Birch over (MDF) $795.50 w/o risers $740.00 plus tax.

from Marvin Electronics in Fort Worth. I still have the sales slips from both after all these years. Both are Keepers.

Now both of the Klipsch dealers are out of business... what a shame.

We had an audio king here that had heritage in the mid 90s. That place was awesome tell they got bought out by ultimate electronics. mad.gif
post #25991 of 35202
i know this has been said a million times. But man these online stores have just ruined a cool part of buying audio. Hanging out in an audio store was a good time. smile.gif
post #25992 of 35202
Their NO Discount, we got a patent on Klipsch attitude sent me buying elsewhere.
post #25993 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I was 29 back then(1979).... IIRC that was about the retail price for the walnut finish with attached risers, tax.

Hillcrest High Fidelity in Dallas, CBR(raw Birch plywood) Cornwalls s/n 19T906/7 $918.00 and risers were $24.00. The Klipsch dealer

in Fort Worth was out of stock unfinished Cornwalls back then.

In 1989 I purchased a pair of Heresy II new s/n 891110/01 unfinished Birch over (MDF) $795.50 w/o risers $740.00 plus tax.

from Marvin Electronics in Fort Worth. I still have the sales slips from both after all these years. Both are Keepers.

Now both of the Klipsch dealers are out of business... what a shame.
I got mine in Anchorage AK they had me by the short hairs on the risers , not like I was gonna drive to Seattle to buy them .
IIRC the Cornies were around +$1200.oo for the raw birch .
Shipping up charges were / are a B*tch in the Frozen North & just one dealer in the whole state tongue.gif
BUT really with average hourly wages near double @ the time over any type of job in lower 48 it was still a good deal . biggrin.gif
post #25994 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

i know this has been said a million times. But man these online stores have just ruined a cool part of buying audio. Hanging out in an audio store was a good time. smile.gif
tell me about it , it was so good that they actually kicked you out if they felt you were just hanging around , the good stuff was in another room & you darn near had to make a appointment to get in there . I was just a 20 year old & they shined me on till I flashed a roll $$ .
post #25995 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post


Hillcrest High Fidelity in Dallas, CBR(raw Birch plywood) Cornwalls s/n 19T906/7 $918.00 and risers were $24.00. The Klipsch dealer

...Now both of the Klipsch dealers are out of business... what a shame.

I have been in that store several times and purchased a couple of things from them--I think I bought my KSW-15 subwoofer and possibly my KLF C7 center channel there...For a 3 year period I was in all of the Klipsch dealers in the Dallas area and auditioned many dozens of speakers and components on a weekly basis...I was in Hillcrest prior to 9/11 and Tweeter bought them out and Ultimate Electronics came en mass to the area.

I wheeled-n-dealed on everything I bought and had to laugh when I got a card of thanks from one of the salesman saying he appreciated me coming in and teaching him about Klipsch speakers--Then the bottom dropped out of the market and none of the stores I bought electronics are still open except for BBY in our area.

Imo, the Internet has been a mixed bag. There is alot of good information online but there is also alot of BS one must wade through to get good advice. I also think with the Internet more and more folks are not auditioning and relying on opinion from folks that also get most of their opinions from the Internet and it becomes a cycle of misinformation...

Even though we are less than 200 miles from Hope and a major market, there hasn't been a store in our area that has Heritage on display for at least the last 15 years (if not longer). I was contemplating getting the LaScalas and making a Home Theater around them and flew to Indianapolis to audition but decided the footprint was too big and I didn't like the sound of the Heresies so I decided there were too many factors against it...that said, the nicest Home Theater I've heard was there and it had 3 Lascalas across the front, a pair of Belles in the back with 2 THX subs taking up the lower end and it was AWESOME.

The first store I bought electronics from was Custom Audio on Rodney Paraham Rd in Little Rock Arkansas back in the early1980s when I managed a business a couple of doors down...They also were the last retail establishment I saw K-horns in, and that had to be when I went back to visit, sometime prior to 2000. The store is also mentioned in the Paul Klipsch Biography, "Paul Wilber Klipsch-The life...The legend," which I also picked up there. smile.gif
Edited by Zen Traveler - 9/8/13 at 3:34pm
post #25996 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

tell me about it , it was so good that they actually kicked you out if they felt you were just hanging around , the good stuff was in another room & you darn near had to make a appointment to get in there . I was just a 20 year old & they shined me on till I flashed a roll $$ .

Audio king had a nice year trade up policy. I mush of upgraded speakers 3 or 4 times. That was when polk audio was making really nice speakers
post #25997 of 35202
Any of you guys ever listen to the beginning of the show Dexter on Showtime? The Klipsch horns pull a lot of detail from that show.
post #25998 of 35202
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Originally Posted by cyclones22 View Post

Somewhere around $1k.
Denon X4000 is it.
post #25999 of 35202
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

I did read it. Discussion of veneers but not what is under it.
Next time, read the whole thread, before replying to a particular post, or at least go back and edit the post, once you pick up on the rest of the conversation that goes with previous post please.
post #26000 of 35202
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Originally Posted by coytee View Post


My current speakers are CNC'd and frankly, that's ok with me!

I always had the understanding that 'solid wood' wasn't really a good material for speakers since solid wood expands/contracts.
It depends on the type of wood. Rosewood, Ebony, Mahogany, Teak, were some of the Exotic wood species used for solid wood cabinets. They came with a oiled finish, and you would have to oil the wood every few months, to keep them from drying out. The manufacturer would also Poly the cabinets and give them a good shine, if they wanted to have that kind of finish, vs. oiled. You can still get some speaker boxes that are Birch, Maple, Oak or Fir boxes, with Exotic species veneers, or even something like Burl Maple, Cherry, Ash, etc..

I personally would rather have a high end speaker that is a show piece, than one that looks like everyone else's that is off the shelf, if I could afford it.
post #26001 of 35202
Wow, didn't know my post would start such a long discussion but that's a good thing smile.gif From what I see on these there is a 1/16" to 1/32" veneer on top of 7 plies.

The back top corner of one of them has a damaged spot and the veneer is very thin as seen here.


Looking down at the same corner you can see the 7 plies beneath the veneer


(sorry for the crappy iphone pics)
Edited by Tasdom - 9/8/13 at 7:10pm
post #26002 of 35202
Heresy pair for $350. Is it good price? I don't need one but still tempting. Thanks.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ele/4055140148.html
Edited by Cowboys - 9/8/13 at 7:20pm
post #26003 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

Heresy pair for $350
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ele/4055140148.html

Good Deal and just a few minutes from where I live, wish I had the extra cash....... Cowboys just scored again..... biggrin.gif
post #26004 of 35202
^^ didn't know you are in dfw area. What are the Heresy usually sell for? Is it better than Cornwall? GO BOYS!!!!!
post #26005 of 35202
I'd buy those HII, or III, with slant risers. Nice price, too.
post #26006 of 35202
How do you know if its HII or III?
post #26007 of 35202
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

How do you know if its HII or III?

IIRC HIII have the V Klipsch logo or the right side of the grill.
post #26008 of 35202
They appear to be HII, Oiled Oak. Don't know if ALL HIII have that logo or not. You sure?

The could be Heresy, but the mid looks front mounted.

Cowgirls are gonna get beat 31-30; although I hope they will win.
post #26009 of 35202
If you really want to see some gorgeous Veneer jobs, I can have my wife pull some of the interior jobs that they have done on Corporate jets that have been through her business that she works at. One of the guys went into a closed up Bowling alley not too long ago, here in Springfield, pulled up all the lanes. They were selling sections for around $20-40 a sqft (do not remember exact amount). Would have made some great stands or audio cabinets, or even counter-tops for a bar.

There was a place here in Springfield, that all they sold was high end speakers, and when you could get the Exotic Veneered cabinets for Klipsch. Here you go for some nice cabinets, that are made with Baltic Birch Veneer (go about halfway down). http://selcoelectronics.homestead.com/GR-Research-Speakers.html A little more than I would like to spend on a speaker, but the look is something that I would not mind showcasing in my Living room http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-magico-mini-2-s-customer-trade-warranty-2013-01-31-speakers-34103

Some discussion about Klispch Heritage line that used Baltic Birch Veneer http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/56425/546686.aspx
Edited by gregzoll - 9/8/13 at 8:32pm
post #26010 of 35202
Will my RB 41 work as front wides I have RB 81 LR and RC 62 as a center! I'm also working on picking up some rs 52 II as rears no more room for the 61 as rears anymore'
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