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Originally Posted by tuzy2k View Post

Hey folks - I need some advice.

My wife and I are about to close on our new house in about 1 week. I've had the builder pre-wire our family room for 7.1, 12 gauge speaker wire. Due to the room layout, with windows, all pre-wires are in the ceiling (no wall pre-wires). We have the sub-woofer pre-wire on the front, left corner of the room.

I know I want Klipsch, but I'm completely lost as to the differences between Klipsch's architectural speaker line. I know I want to buy from the reference line.

So far, I plan to buy:

1. Receiver: Sony STR-DN1040 7.2 Channel 1155-Watt A/V Receiver - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CAAJDP6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=A1BTIIMZR82&coliid=IQVPX6UETNDT5
2. Sub-woofer: Klipsch SW-112 Reference Series Powered Subwoofer - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0046L6NF0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=A1BTIIMZR82&coliid=I29KKUIJ3OT02M

My budget for the rest of the speakers is about $2000, but I want to avoid using the whole of the budge if I dont have to, because I plan to also put in a NuVo system + speakers for 3 zones in other rooms.

My questions:

Are their differences in Klipsch's in-ceiling reference speakers as far as placement types? Meaning, are the differences only power and frequency output or are certain speakers designed for center vs surround vs rear, etc. If this is the case, I haven't been able to find any information on Kipsch's website. I'm not an audio expert, at all, and don't really know what the performance differences are between center vs side, vs rear speakers (if any) so I don't really know what to shop for.

I would greatly appreciate any help you can give.

Lots of ways to go here. First is price. Reference line stuff sells for around 70-75% of retail all day and if you spend more than that your over spending.

You can get in wall speakers but keep in mind Klipsch are all about the horn and the in wall speaker horns are small vs other types.

Used is a great way to get more than your budget or save a lot of money ( or both).

There is endless posts on here and other threads about what are the best to get for a certain budget. Imo the rf-82ii system is the best bang for buck if you get it for around 70% of retail. Imo it's worth the retail price but I'm sure you can find other places to spend $1000 that you would save on a total set up.

For a sub I would grab an svs or another online sub monster.
Edited by Reference_head - 10/22/13 at 1:29am
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[quote name="blue13x" url="/t/680426/klipsch-owner-thread/27360#post_23859523"]Guys I need your opinion.Decided to put a shell up above my Sammy F8000. Did it at an angle so that the center points down at me. Does look right or is this too high?[IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/21/ezugeryt.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/21/9uguhavu.jpg[/IMG][/quote]To me i would put the tv on the wall and the center on the stand. However I'm sure if you have the center angled to the lp it should sound just as good. Or at worst almost as good. Most of us compromise a little with center channel placement. If you get it close (and i think you are close) i would say np. Your a few ft over ear level it looks like. If you put it on the stand you would still be few few ft lower than ear level. So both ways would be a few ft off from optimal placement. Nice room by the way. :D

Thanks smile.gif

The optimum position would seem would be in front of the screen.
Think im going for below the screen.

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Klipsch Forum is back online smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Reference_head View Post

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Imo the rf-82ii system is the best bang for buck if you get it for around 70% of retail. Imo it's worth the retail price but I'm sure you can find other places to spend $1000 that you would save on a total set up.

Please see my post once more - all of my speaker pre-wireing is for in-ceiling architectural speakers - not freestanding speakers like the ones you mentioned.
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Klipsch Forum is back online smile.gif

yes it is!!!
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Originally Posted by tuzy2k View Post


Please see my post once more - all of my speaker pre-wireing is for in-ceiling architectural speakers - not freestanding speakers like the ones you mentioned.

 

 

Tuzy, I'm no expert by any means but I was at two different Fry's Electronics last week and both stores a had in wall Klipsch speakers to demo. If you live near a Fry's it might be worth checking into. Hearing them compared to other speakers would be the best decision helper I can think of. 

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Originally Posted by tuzy2k View Post

Please see my post once more - all of my speaker pre-wireing is for in-ceiling architectural speakers - not freestanding speakers like the ones you mentioned.
your 1st mistake was not doing any research on a Home Theater room before having the builder install the in-wall wiring & you are now playing catch-up by asking us to solve a problem after the fact .
the options for in-wall speakers is limited & you have left placement up to a builder who knows nothing about a HT set-up .
Mike from AVS Sales might be able to help you . look back a few pages another person has done the same thing you have done & there are multiple posts about in-walls
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

your 1st mistake was not doing any research on a Home Theater room before having the builder install the in-wall wiring & you are now playing catch-up by asking us to solve a problem after the fact .
the options for in-wall speakers is limited & you have left placement up to a builder who knows nothing about a HT set-up .
Mike from AVS Sales might be able to help you . look back a few pages another person has done the same thing you have done & there are multiple posts about in-walls

And you are assuming that I had the builder who "knows nothing about HT set-up" decide the placement. An AV company who is a klipsch dealer and does professional HT installation is the company the builder sub-contracted out to pre-wire the speakers and place them. It was done properly. However, this same installer quoted me around 6,200$ to do the home theater + the 3 zone nuvo system.

I know for a fact, based on his price sheet, he's overcharging me greatly for the speakers. I can install them myself and buy them myself and save a ton of money.

Now, that being said, if you refer back to my original post, I simply need some information about the differences in Klipsch's architectural speakers.

If you yourself do not know the answers to my questions, then please refrain from making overly hostile posts based on incorrect assumptions. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by bombertodd View Post


Tuzy, I'm no expert by any means but I was at two different Fry's Electronics last week and both stores a had in wall Klipsch speakers to demo. If you live near a Fry's it might be worth checking into. Hearing them compared to other speakers would be the best decision helper I can think of. 

Unfortunately I live on the east coast, in Virginia, just outside of Washington DC. We have no Fry's nearby.
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Originally Posted by tuzy2k View Post

And you are assuming that I had the builder who "knows nothing about HT set-up" decide the placement. An AV company who is a klipsch dealer and does professional HT installation is the company the builder sub-contracted out to pre-wire the speakers and place them. It was done properly. However, this same installer quoted me around 6,200$ to do the home theater + the 3 zone nuvo system.

I know for a fact, based on his price sheet, he's overcharging me greatly for the speakers. I can install them myself and buy them myself and save a ton of money.

Now, that being said, if you refer back to my original post, I simply need some information about the differences in Klipsch's architectural speakers.

If you yourself do not know the answers to my questions, then please refrain from making overly hostile posts based on incorrect assumptions. Thanks.
Ok BUT none of that info about the builder & his installation WAS in your OP
again you put your "Trust" in a installer who by your own words is over charging you , ceiling mounted in-wall is not the best way to install in-wall & you'd know that if you had done your homework rolleyes.gif .
as for my being hostile , that wasn't the case & was NOT my intent . I'm sorry you took it that way .

As for horn loaded speakers , in no way are they designed to be aimed from a ceiling mounting for optimum sound quality & coverage .

I did refer you to the best person who is active on this thread to help you . smile.gif
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Is that the AV shop in Dulles/Sterling area? (Sight and Sound I think) If so, those guys wayyy overcharge IMO. They do good, clean work supposedly but at a very premium price - not worth it at all. Though many dealers do charge high prices since many people want to pay once and forget about it.
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Originally Posted by baloo_btru View Post

Is that the AV shop in Dulles/Sterling area? (Sight and Sound I think) If so, those guys wayyy overcharge IMO. They do good, clean work supposedly but at a very premium price - not worth it at all. Though many dealers do charge high prices since many people want to pay once and forget about it.

Nope, it was Vintage Security who is the AV company who works with our builder (Brookfield Homes). What you say about Sight and Sound are the same things we're seeing with Vintage.
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Originally Posted by tuzy2k View Post

We don't care about having the absolute best possible perfect home theater setup.
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Damn that's an expensive stand, but looks very awesome! I'm still interested in one... With Lovan making stuff in the US, I bet if you called them they'd send parts to fix the tipping issue for free.

When you angled the stand, did it try to tip (e.g. the base is too narrow) or was it that the pivoting mechanism just couldn't hold the angle?
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Originally Posted by cyclones22 View Post

Standsandmounts.com. It's listed as the Lovan Millennium. Clear glass is the one that is constantly out of stock. Black is the one I have. I originally ordered clear and that's what I paid for, but they sent me black. After I got a good look at it, black still worked with my other equipment.
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You are not alone. There a hundreds of posts here that say the same. Audyssey would be great if you could only enable it for the LFE. I think some of the newer pre/pros let you do that, but not my old AVR.

As affordable as the RW-12d was (it was indeed a great sub for the money), you could pick up 3 more used and have a sub in each corner. I know a lot of folks bought them for ~$299 with free shipping from newegg. There's a lot of research that says four subs is the absolute best way to get rid of room modes. You will hear a difference. Things may sound great with one, but you won't believe how much tighter and detailed the bass can be. Of course, you should lower the volume of the subs as you add more. It's not really about higher level (you'll have that too though), but getting the flattest possible low end response anywhere in the room and matching that level well with the other speakers.
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Originally Posted by baloo_btru View Post

Thanks. Like Fastslappy said, Audyssey made it sound lifeless in my room. I actually had two subs but one was broken (Rw-12d and the display wouldn't turn on though it sounded great). I offered to keep it for a discount since they couldn't fix it, but they refused. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

The one sub is doing its job fairly well though and I am already worried about my neighbors smile.gif So far no complaints...but if you are above the theater room you feel the vibrations like crazy and it makes me a little worried about the house haha.

Audyssey definitely lowered the high frequencies too much and made it sound muddled. I'll keep messing around with it but I did like the sound better before running audyssey frown.gif
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Search around online weekly using this site:
http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?location=66502&maxDist=50000&region_us=1&search_string=klipsch+RC-3&keytype=adv&Region=na&cityselect=zip&page=0&category=8&subcat=ela&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max

Modify it to center around your zip code. Set automatic alerts up on ebay, http://www.list-alert.com/, etc... It's not hard at all to find "rare" stuff now days.

EDIT: Speaking of rare, I'm still looking for two black RT-12d subs if anyone knows of one or two for sale.
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Anybody ... ?

Edited by etc6849 - 10/22/13 at 4:58pm
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Damn that's an expensive stand, but looks very awesome! I'm still interested in one... With Lovan making stuff in the US, I bet if you called them they'd send parts to fix the tipping issue for free.

When you angled the stand, did it try to tip (e.g. the base is too narrow) or was it that the pivoting mechanism just couldn't hold the angle?

At the angle I wanted it, the pivoting mechanism would just slowly tip to 45 degrees, which is obviously too far up. The base is plenty wide and deep enough and it's heavy. The stand comes with Allen wrenches which allow you to tighten the bolts, but no matter how much i tightened it, it would always slowly tip back when set to my desired angle. I didn't want to tighten it to obscene levels in fear of breaking something else, and I just happened to have some 4x4 blocks I had used for something else and it turned out it was the perfect height to place just below the stand shelf to keep it at the angle I want. The block isn't noticeable either, so it's not a big deal for me.
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Originally Posted by cyclones22 View Post

At the angle I wanted it, the pivoting mechanism would just slowly tip to 45 degrees, which is obviously too far up. The base is plenty wide and deep enough and it's heavy. The stand comes with Allen wrenches which allow you to tighten the bolts, but no matter how much i tightened it, it would always slowly tip back when set to my desired angle. I didn't want to tighten it to obscene levels in fear of breaking something else, and I just happened to have some 4x4 blocks I had used for something else and it turned out it was the perfect height to place just below the stand shelf to keep it at the angle I want. The block isn't noticeable either, so it's not a big deal for me.
try some star type lock washers on the pivot bolts , they have small barbs on each side to grip the wood
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

try some star type lock washers on the pivot bolts , they have small barbs on each side to grip the wood

It's metal, but that's a great idea nonetheless. They come with standard washers which apparently are crap. If it were elevated, I'd probably be more perturbed. But since it's on the ground, nobody can see it anyway.
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Would the sound improve if I upgraded the crossovers on my RB75 bookshelf speakers? I emailed Dean Westscott over the weekend.
Edited by kemiza - 10/22/13 at 6:32pm
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Last night while I was browsing Craigslist, I found a pair of LaScalas for $500. I picked them up even though they where nothing to look at. I sanded, primed , and painted them to get them at least presentable. They sound great and once we get a theater they will be hidden behind a screen so looks are not that important to me
Here is the before pic
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Here are the after pics...

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Originally Posted by cyclones22 View Post

It's metal, but that's a great idea nonetheless. They come with standard washers which apparently are crap. If it were elevated, I'd probably be more perturbed. But since it's on the ground, nobody can see it anyway.
just replace the flat with a star &/or if there is room just add the star lock washer , get the star type that the barbs have a slight twist to each point smile.gif
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

Last night while I was browsing Craigslist, I found a pair of LaScalas for $500. I picked them up even though they where nothing to look at. I sanded, primed , and painted them to get them at least presentable. They sound great and once we get a theater they will be hidden behind a screen so looks are not that important to me
Here are the after pics...

Nice score ! Killer price , what year are they ?
take a look at the crossover to see if they have the oil & paper caps
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Would the sound improve if I upgraded the crossovers on my RB75 bookshelf speakers? I emailed Dean Westscott over the weekend.
Dean would be the one to ask for sure , but is there a problem now ?
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Nice score ! Killer price , what year are they ?
take a look at the crossover to see if they have the oil & paper caps
They are serial number... 17S389 and 17S388 (1978?)
Not sure about the oil and paper caps... I did see something that looked like a rectangle made of metal with what looked like a tan paper roll in it. I also saw another piece next to it that had the tan paper too. Is that what you are talking about? It was on the left side of the crossover when viewing from the rear.
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Originally Posted by ellisr63 View Post

They are serial number... 17S389 and 17S388 (1978?)
Not sure about the oil and paper caps... I did see something that looked like a rectangle made of metal with what looked like a tan paper roll in it. I also saw another piece next to it that had the tan paper too. Is that what you are talking about? It was on the left side of the crossover when viewing from the rear.
the oil & paper caps look a double wide "D" battery( 2 stuck together) with 2 terminals on top Very shiney silver in color & about 2 1/2 " tall & 1" thick . these go bad over time & if the XO has them then they are outta specs by now & they will leak PCB's which are toxic with Dioxin .
If they are '78's then they have the paper & oil caps , these should be replaced & the SQ will be greatly improved as well , the mids will sound better .
Its best to Contact Bob Crites he can sell you the replacement parts Or you can buy new replica XO's with modern parts
If you feel that you really want improve on the Klipsch XO design then Dean or ALK can build a better SQ XO as well . these guys have designed a way better crossover using high end parts & better control over the cross points .
I went the ALK XO's for my CornScala & am very happy
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

Dean would be the one to ask for sure , but is there a problem now ?
No. They sound fine just curious if I could raise the bar.
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Originally Posted by tuzy2k View Post

Nope, it was Vintage Security who is the AV company who works with our builder (Brookfield Homes). What you say about Sight and Sound are the same things we're seeing with Vintage.

Yeah the home theater business in general took a huge hit. That's why you see so many that were strictly HT that moved into home security and automation (and vice versa). They had to diversify.

To give you some perspective, Sight and Sound wanted to charge well over $10k for an Epson 5020 ($2600 PJ), no-name screen ($1200), Episode speakers -installer only brand (5.1 setup, fairly cheap), a 5.1 installer receiver, and a crappy, 110W, 8inch sub.

For around 6k I got a Sony HW50, firehawk g3 screen (bigger than the one they offered), klipsch rf-82, rc-62, rs-52 and rw12d, and denon 2113 and installed it myself. Theirs would have looked cleaner, but I got better equipment all around for just over half the price.
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Originally Posted by etc6849 View Post

You are not alone. There a hundreds of posts here that say the same. Audyssey would be great if you could only enable it for the LFE. I think some of the newer pre/pros let you do that, but not my old AVR.

As affordable as the RW-12d was (it was indeed a great sub for the money), you could pick up 3 more used and have a sub in each corner. I know a lot of folks bought them for ~$299 with free shipping from newegg. There's a lot of research that says four subs is the absolute best way to get rid of room modes. You will hear a difference. Things may sound great with one, but you won't believe how much tighter and detailed the bass can be. Of course, you should lower the volume of the subs as you add more. It's not really about higher level (you'll have that too though), but getting the flattest possible low end response anywhere in the room and matching that level well with the other speakers.

Thanks. I did have two which I bought for even cheaper than that, but one was broken (display didn't work). If I see a deal on another one I may pick it up, but part of me would rather wait and just get a litter higher level sub like a rythmik lv12r. Then get 2 of those eventually.

When I move in a few years I will have a true dedicated HT I hope, and I will be ready to maximize bass response. For now I'm pretty happy with what I've got.

Question - for those that talk about turning audyssey on and off, is that a setting? Once you run audyssey and it calibrates, is there something else going on behind the scenes? So if it ran already and then I change some settings, is audyssey actively doing anything? Or is it just calibration software?
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