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post #27961 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Spanglo View Post

I've heard that said a number of times over the years, but I've never honestly understood why. Not that I know better, it just goes against my personal feelings.

Mains or sub would be my guess as to the most important speaker, followed by the center. If only because you can run a phantom center with good results, but have you ever tried running without mains? Subs should be self explanatory as good bass is a godsend and can add significant value to a system.

You can watch the TV without external speakers or other components. The others just add to the quality of the experience. If you want the minimum a center channel is not necessary. Neither is the sub as the mains can produce bass. After the necessities are in place you begin improvements. You add a high quality sub and bass is improved over just the mains. Adding a center can sound better than just the mains. A mediocre center may not be much of an enhancement (especially in the dialog). The better the center the more enhancement. Saying that the center channel is the most important speaker does not mean that it should be the only front speaker. It means it should be the best of the three fronts.
Personally I would rather have a great center and decent mains as the other way around for watching movies. The most annoying thing is having to constantly adjust center volume up and down or rewind to hear dialog that you missed due to a crappy center speaker.
post #27962 of 35426
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Originally Posted by malmstump View Post

guys a question regarding the xpa5 how do i use the 12 v trigger to turn on both the onkyo and amp xpa5? i am using a pc 3.5 male to male smile.gif

You have to manually turn on the Onkyo and the 12 v trigger will do same for the amp.
I am not familiar with your Onkyo, however most are the same. You will have to go to the Onkyo menu and set the 12 v trigger to on for the zone you are controlling.
Seems like I read that a work around may be required for Onkyo.
post #27963 of 35426
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

You have to manually turn on the Onkyo and the 12 v trigger will do same for the amp.
I am not familiar with your Onkyo, however most are the same. You will have to go to the Onkyo menu and set the 12 v trigger to on for the zone you are controlling.
Seems like I read that a work around may be required for Onkyo.
thank you mudcat
post #27964 of 35426
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

You have to manually turn on the Onkyo and the 12 v trigger will do same for the amp.
I am not familiar with your Onkyo, however most are the same. You will have to go to the Onkyo menu and set the 12 v trigger to on for the zone you are controlling.
Seems like I read that a work around may be required for Onkyo.
use the buttons on the front of the AVR BUt 1st place the trigger line on zone 3 on the Onk & then the Emo .
IF I can remember how to do right L O L

1st get the remote, push the zone button till you see that button stay green , each time u push it changes color but whille it's green push twice ,& it will stay green keep trying till get a solid green after you push just once .
then go the front panel open the flap ,
push the zone 3 button on the face till it flashes source if it;s flashing anything else then toggle till you get source
once yu get to it stay on source ,
then on the remote press the zone button when green then hit the "on" button the amp should click & then start
you have to start the amp & stop the amp the same way each time . to turn the AVR on/off hit the receiver button & then on/off

so in other words you have to start /stop the amp AND then start & stop the AVR
there is No single start everything , it's a 2 fold starting & stopping ,
it's P I A @ 1st but you quickly get used to doing it
I can do it in the dark now & not look at the remote

you only have to do the face button for the set-up from there it all on the remote to start & stop the amp
for 2 amps then you dasiey chain the triggers & then to the zone 3trigger input
both my amps start the @ same time doing the process i described above
Edited by Fastslappy - 11/24/13 at 3:53pm
post #27965 of 35426
If you are willing to spend a tad more than your used budget, you can get one new and get the 5 year warranty.
Call av science for a quote.
You will be exceptionally surprised!
post #27966 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

^^^EVERYONE that has had a 52 has praised the 62 for a center. Don't skimp on the center. It's THE most valuable speaker in your system.
Currently, I'm using Klipsch Synergy B3 bookshelves as LR, C2 as center, B3 and S2 as surrounds. If I were to upgrade, the first to go should be the C2 center? Or should I upgrade the main LR and go for phantom center first?
post #27967 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

Currently, I'm using Klipsch Synergy B3 bookshelves as LR, C2 as center, B3 and S2 as surrounds. If I were to upgrade, the first to go should be the C2 center? Or should I upgrade the main LR and go for phantom center first?

Personally, I wouldn't go with a phantom center. Make a game plan of what speakers you want to upgrade to all around. Then get the center to match that plan. If I were planning a new system, it would be built around a center speaker.

As for center xo freq, you don't want to go too low, because you are trying to get dialog out of the speaker. A woofer trying to replicate an explosion at 40Hz will move a lot of air and make the cone vibrate violently. Now, try to hear a voice coming from that wildly vibrating speaker. It will sound warbly and muddy.

As always, this is my opinion. YMMV.
post #27968 of 35426
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

You have to manually turn on the Onkyo and the 12 v trigger will do same for the amp.
I am not familiar with your Onkyo, however most are the same. You will have to go to the Onkyo menu and set the 12 v trigger to on for the zone you are controlling.
Seems like I read that a work around may be required for Onkyo.
worked great thank you
post #27969 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

use the buttons on the front of the AVR BUt 1st place the trigger line on zone 3 on the Onk & then the Emo .
IF I can remember how to do right L O L

1st get the remote, push the zone button till you see that button stay green , each time u push it changes color but whille it's green push twice ,& it will stay green keep trying till get a solid green after you push just once .
then go the front panel open the flap ,
push the zone 3 button on the face till it flashes source if it;s flashing anything else then toggle till you get source
once yu get to it stay on source ,
then on the remote press the zone button when green then hit the "on" button the amp should click & then start
you have to start the amp & stop the amp the same way each time . to turn the AVR on/off hit the receiver button & then on/off

so in other words you have to start /stop the amp AND then start & stop the AVR
there is No single start everything , it's a 2 fold starting & stopping ,
it's P I A @ 1st but you quickly get used to doing it
I can do it in the dark now & not look at the remote

you only have to do the face button for the set-up from there it all on the remote to start & stop the amp
for 2 amps then you dasiey chain the triggers & then to the zone 3trigger input
both my amps start the @ same time doing the process i described above
i did it on zone 2 and worked like a charm ,hey fast did you get to see my pics?wink.gif
post #27970 of 35426
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Originally Posted by malmstump View Post

i did it on zone 2 and worked like a charm ,hey fast did you get to see my pics?wink.gif
I'd Thought they looked Great ! I'd rather have those than the Reference line
Those Puppies Move Some AIR , with that Emo pushin' Ya'll watch out !
post #27971 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

Personally, I wouldn't go with a phantom center. Make a game plan of what speakers you want to upgrade to all around. Then get the center to match that plan. If I were planning a new system, it would be built around a center speaker.

As for center xo freq, you don't want to go too low, because you are trying to get dialog out of the speaker. A woofer trying to replicate an explosion at 40Hz will move a lot of air and make the cone vibrate violently. Now, try to hear a voice coming from that wildly vibrating speaker. It will sound warbly and muddy.

As always, this is my opinion. YMMV.
so true Mongo ,my klf c7 vibrates very much when set on full band ,less at 40 so i set mine 80 which is 10 above what is recomended ,fast pointed that out and you know what it is right works great too.
i am still trying to get bass out of my sub when i set the xover to 40 on the fronts .
my fronts are klf-30 ,backs are klf-20
post #27972 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

I'd Thought they looked Great ! I'd rather have those than the Reference line
Those Puppies Move Some AIR , with that Emo pushin' Ya'll watch out !
lol thank you fast ,yup you watch out but i never turned it up past -30 db yet, it gets scary loud dude smile.gif
post #27973 of 35426
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Originally Posted by PM-Performance View Post

What's your budget on the rc62?
I think youll be surprised on the price if you call avs.
I spent less on mine new then what you said you are seeing them used for.


As said above go bigger. I upgraded again this year. I just did this last year and went as big as I could afford this time and hope I won't outgrow soo fast.
Thanks to the deals from avs, I could afford to go bigger and better than I originally hoped for.
I had(and still have) rc62ii. It was great, but even when buying it I wanted the rc64ii. It was far too expensive, so I thought... about a year later I purchased the 64, so technically I would have saved money had I just brought the larger better speaker in the 1st place.....
post #27974 of 35426
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Originally Posted by malmstump View Post

worked great thank you

You are welcome.
post #27975 of 35426
im planning to buy a new set and looked at the klipsch website for some info and found that they have a surround system consisting of :
82-II fronts
62-II center
52-II surround
now that im reading this stuff about the center speaker im in doubt.
my plan was to get :
82-II front
62-II center
62-II surround
but now that i read this topic i wonder if it would be better to get:
82-II front
64-II center
52-II surround
i have a yamaha RX-463 5x100W RMS amp, going to replace it with a Yamaha A3030 later on and planning to get some extra rears for the 7.1 setup or maybe 11.1 depending on my budget.
for sub i have a yamaha yst-w800 1000W
any thoughts ?
edit:
room is 6 x 6 meter
use the set for music (electronic mostly) and 3D movies with DTS sound
also wonder if my ES8000 tv stand would fit on the center speaker.
Edited by DaJoJo - 11/25/13 at 4:58am
post #27976 of 35426
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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post

im planning to buy a new set and looked at the klipsch website for some info and found that they have a surround system consisting of :
82-II fronts
62-II center
52-II surround
now that im reading this stuff about the center speaker im in doubt.
my plan was to get :
82-II front
62-II center
62-II surround
but now that i read this topic i wonder if it would be better to get:
82-II front
64-II center
52-II surround
i have a yamaha RX-463 5x100W RMS amp, going to replace it with a Yamaha A3030 later on and planning to get some extra rears for the 7.1 setup or maybe 11.1 depending on my budget.
for sub i have a yamaha yst-w800 1000W
any thoughts ?
edit:
room is 6 x 6 meter
use the set for music (electronic mostly) and 3D movies with DTS sound
also wonder if my ES8000 tv stand would fit on the center speaker.
The 64II is the matching center for the RF7II's. I'm sure it would work for the 82II's but the RC62II is a very capable center and much cheaper. How loud do you like to listen to movies and music?
post #27977 of 35426
very loud :-)
i run my current setup at 0dB levels with sub on volume 3 as it otherwise tears the walls apart.
so u recon the 62II for the rears is the better option. i thought of the 64II and it is a little pricey but if it is better i'll save some money for that one.
Edited by DaJoJo - 11/25/13 at 5:31am
post #27978 of 35426
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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post

very loud :-)
i run my current setup at 0dB levels with sub on volume 3 as it otherwise tears the walls apart.
so u recon the 62II for the rears is the better option. i thought of the 64II and it is a little pricey but if it is better i'll save some money for that one.

With getting the RF-82II, the RC-62II is the center to get. It is timbre-matched for the 82II. The RC-64II would literally drown out the RF-82II.

I would go with the RF-82II (upgrade bug MIGHT bite for the RF-7II!), the RC-62II and the RS-62II. Then, you can save for a sub.

The measurements for the RC-62II are posted on the Klipsch website to see if it will fit.
post #27979 of 35426

Hi All,

 

A little late here in this thread, but am a newbie to this site. IMHO, classic Klipsch was a very innovative design. I built 6 K-horns (where there is no profit to be made, time and effort, and quality components are primary, unlike a company, but my time/expense is my own), and bought one 'real' one for comparison.

I run (well ran, as I have since moved), a 5.1 system all with khorns, granted the center channel had a poor impedance match, as it wasn't in a corner...

The low-frequency response needed some help, as the mouth area caused a rather dramatic roll-off, but utilizing a (former) wine cellar, about 400 ft^3, with 4 (really heavy duty) 15" drivers in what used to be a door (and the enclosure was all concrete), supplemented the low end to a ridiculous level.

 

I love Klipsch (the old-school ones), but a horn can be a nasty device without a tremendous amount of R&D, and their heyday was when power was very expensive. Hitting devices with 50W that have an efficiency of over 100dB at 1 meter @ 1KHz is called either ' I am deaf' or 'I am in a huge stadium'. Nowadays, power is cheap. Dampen the h*ll out of a driver system, to make the response flat, and worry about distortion levels induced by the drivers, and you will be fine. Making a high-efficiency, linear acoustic system is extremely hard.  Just my opinion.

 

(By the way, can't wait to build a set of Labhorns, as the design intrigues me).

 

Klipsch has been sold, and is doing the death-spiral IMHO. Only met Paul once when I was a little kid, We analyzed and reverse-engineered his designs to extreme detail back when I was in my 20's.  (Having access to equipment that no practical company could afford, but a government-regulated monopoly could sort of did the trick) Nowadays with essentially unlimited cpu power, virtually every flaw can have compensation. But I digress.

post #27980 of 35426
I have the 82/62 combo and I can confirm it is more than ample!
You will not be disappointed
post #27981 of 35426
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Originally Posted by PM-Performance View Post

I have the 82/62 combo and I can confirm it is more than ample!
You will not be disappointed
i had your setup up as well and i loved my rf-82 and rc 62 and rs 52 ,but then you get the itch i want bigger older ,louder and heavier lol it never stops untill your broke from upgrading:)
post #27982 of 35426
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Originally Posted by malmstump View Post

i had your setup up as well and i loved my rf-82 and rc 62 and rs 52 ,but then you get the itch i want bigger older ,louder and heavier lol it never stops untill your broke from upgrading:)

It never ends............biggrin.gif if my room was bigger Khorns or a 402 horn and bass bin etc better amps etc...... and use my Cornwalls as rears. eek.gif

Happy Thanksgiving to all
Louis
post #27983 of 35426
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post

very loud :-)
i run my current setup at 0dB levels with sub on volume 3 as it otherwise tears the walls apart.
so u recon the 62II for the rears is the better option. i thought of the 64II and it is a little pricey but if it is better i'll save some money for that one.

With getting the RF-82II, the RC-62II is the center to get. It is timbre-matched for the 82II. The RC-64II would literally drown out the RF-82II.

I would go with the RF-82II (upgrade bug MIGHT bite for the RF-7II!), the RC-62II and the RS-62II. Then, you can save for a sub.

The measurements for the RC-62II are posted on the Klipsch website to see if it will fit.


good point. i dont have the money nor amp for the RF-7II hence i went for the RF-82II .

its also a massive step pricewise to get a RC-64II center.

no need to save for the sub as i have a yamaha yst-sw800 1000W sub. it goes down to a 16hz here as its straight in line with 22 meter of livingroom+hallway+bedroom

i like very loud music but i am scared to put it on volume 8 or higher as last time i did that the concrete wall here started showing a crack. suffice to say it has enough power.

post #27984 of 35426

reading about you guys happiness with the system i decided to order it. i thought about getting the RF-7II and the included center n rears but i cant afford the surplus on costs it brings.

so i mailed the company here in NL for a offer and after little negotiation they offered me this system:

2xRF-82MK2K

1xRC-62MK2K

2xRS-62MK2 (only available in black alas)

new in box, costfree delivery , total 2200 euro for the whole set.

i ordered it as i think its a good deal.

thnx for the support all and happy thanksgiving :-)

post #27985 of 35426
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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post



no need to save for the sub as i have a yamaha yst-sw800 1000W sub. it goes down to a 16hz here as its straight in line with 22 meter of livingroom+hallway+bedroom
i like very loud music but i am scared to put it on volume 8 or higher as last time i did that the concrete wall here started showing a crack. suffice to say it has enough power.

I'm glad you like your sub and I hate to burst your bubble, but that sub was/is rated at 18-160hz -10db. Which means it probably doesn't have any meaningful output below 30hz, which is typical of subs like that. I know. I had a very expensive Def Tech super cube that was "rated" to 14hz. It didn't have much below 25hz.

Maybe see if anyone close by has a setup with a sub from one of the main internet direct vendors to get an idea of what a sub is supposed to sound and feel like. You'll be amazed.
post #27986 of 35426

mm strange.. it got 7cm stroke and when i play organ music with 64 pipe in it producing 16hz it is perfectly noticable and i feel the vibrations of it. i tried a lot of other subs and these don't come even near.

measured with a proffesional dB(A) meter it produces about 114dB at 3 meter at volume 6 . it even blows out a lighter at 5 meter distance. and got a 5/5 rating on some audiophile sites. its this one http://nl.yamaha.com/nl/products/audio-visual/speaker-systems/subwoofers/yst-sw800_black__u/?mode=model

if i had the money i would get this one http://www.sonicflare.com/archives/eminent-tech-trw-17-the-most-powerful-subwoofer-in-the-world.php

or this http://www.ohgizmo.com/2006/03/06/the-biggest-subwoofer-ever-made/ :D

so upgrading to a newer sub would make the bass sound better, qd and soundwise ?


Edited by DaJoJo - 11/25/13 at 3:28pm
post #27987 of 35426
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Snooze You Lose ! ! cool.gif
post #27988 of 35426
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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post

reading about you guys happiness with the system i decided to order it. i thought about getting the RF-7II and the included center n rears but i cant afford the surplus on costs it brings.
so i mailed the company here in NL for a offer and after little negotiation they offered me this system:
2xRF-82MK2K
1xRC-62MK2K
2xRS-62MK2 (only available in black alas)
new in box, costfree delivery , total 2200 euro for the whole set.
i ordered it as i think its a good deal.
thnx for the support all and happy thanksgiving :-)
who did you order from

sounddesigns outta Las Vegas OR AVS sales has the best prices
post #27989 of 35426

stassen hifi here in netherlands :-)

post #27990 of 35426
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Originally Posted by DaJoJo View Post

mm strange.. it got 7cm stroke and when i play organ music with 64 pipe in it producing 16hz it is perfectly noticable and i feel the vibrations of it. i tried a lot of other subs and these don't come even near.
measured with a proffesional dB(A) meter it produces about 114dB at 3 meter at volume 6 . it even blows out a lighter at 5 meter distance. and got a 5/5 rating on some audiophile sites. its this one http://nl.yamaha.com/nl/products/audio-visual/speaker-systems/subwoofers/yst-sw800_black__u/?mode=model
if i had the money i would get this one http://www.sonicflare.com/archives/eminent-tech-trw-17-the-most-powerful-subwoofer-in-the-world.php
or this http://www.ohgizmo.com/2006/03/06/the-biggest-subwoofer-ever-made/ biggrin.gif
so upgrading to a newer sub would make the bass sound better, qd and soundwise ?
Not all Yammy subs are bad I got 2 of the small servo ones in my bedroom & they rock the place , yeah my 2 SVS make them pale in comparison but for what I paid for them I'm happy for a small room use wink.gif
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